Why do they need to highlight which word is being spoken? If you can't hear it, it makes it harder to read. If you can hear it then you don't need fucking subtitles.
I love those interviews from the very early days, when they still had to kind of explain what Star Wars is to the audience. It's hard to imagine such a world.
Yeah. Reminds me of a Steve Jobs speech I saw the other day from the early 80, where he was explaining what they were trying to do with a computer. He said that in the future people would be saying "I can't believe it wasn't always like this [using computers constantly]"
It's a reference to the fact that many fantasy/sci-fi writers do not understand how to create fictional words that can be said by people in real life. There's a reason the mainstream Star Wars movies have very few -- if any -- mentions of "Tw'lek."
Even Tolkein -- a goddamn professor of English and myths who came up with multiple conlangs for Lord of the Rings -- did not perfect this. "Teleporno" anyone?
While I agree with you, Carrie Fisher really got the shaft on lines. According to her, she hated her lines so much that they inspired her to become a writer.
There's more than one. Lucas typically has a good story in mind but he's hobbled by wooden dialogue. I think Carrie Fisher and George Lucas' wife practically rewrote whole scenes on the set. Harrison Ford was originally supposed to have a long monologue declaring Han's love for Leia in Empire Strikes Back instead of "I know."
When nobody was around to tell him no in the prequels, that's how you get 3 movies with such bad dialogue.
Even "I know" isn't the line in the revised script. He was supposed to say, "I love you too" but they kept reshooting the scene because it didn't sound/feel right. Ford finally just ad lib the line, and it was perfect.
George and Moffat (Dr Who) could turn out stellar work when they had a team around them that says no and pushes them and supports them to do it. Let them run the show surrounded by yes men and you get crap.
George Romero was the same way with the "[TimeOfDay/Place/Item] of the Dead" movies. When he had someone wrangling him, the movies were top of the genre, and still maintain a beloved place in the hearts of fans of zombie fiction. When he didn't... ...well.. We ended up with Diary of the Dead..
Moffat could still do stellar work on his own. There was a period where he was close to burning out because he was the show runner of 2 major shows at the same time. That affected his writing and he admits it. But he's still created some top notch episodes while he was the show runner. Heaven Sent is the best episode
Moffat writes single episodes pretty well, most of the time. He seems to struggle a lot with long-form things. But 100% agree with Heaven Sent, it's a masterpiece and it ruined me emotionally
Personally i don't think his season arcs are that bad. Season 9 and 10 were solid. Around season 6 and 7 is where he struggled a lot with being almost burned out
He does have flaws. Any writer do. RTD also did a lot of poor episodes and arcs
I'd even go so far and say Lucas merely has good scenarios in mind. His grasp on story and story-telling seems almost... perfunctory. Read "The Star Wars", the original/early draft ... he really has the Luke/Proto-Anakin character say to Proto-Padme, "I know I shouldn't fall in love with you, but I am falling in love with you." to which she responds "As do I. I know it is wrong but I cannot stop myself." (Yes, Proto-Anakin and Padme. Lucas's original idea was a blend of A New Hope and Return ->
<- of the Jedi, with A LOT of stuff he recycled in the prequels. In fact, it reads more like a draft for Phantom Menace than ANH. Also, what became Vader was originally two characters, the Fallen Jedi and the evil military commander/Emperor's envoy. And the "evil military commander" Vader existed alongside a proto-Tarkin... it was a redundant mess. The draft has been made into a comic, I highly recommend reading it that way if you aren't into reading scripts).
First drafts are almost always awful though, especially in sci fi, so I can't hold that against anybody.
Beneath all of the bad lines, there's still a compelling story about the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker in Lucas' two trilogies. But he's the type of filmmaker than needs the right collaborators who can see what he's after while knowing which parts don't work at all. Richard Marquand was a good example, even if he had an unremarkable resume, he had a knack for being able-
The specific example gives a completely invalid response to what Anakin said. “I know I shouldn’t, but I’m falling in love with you.” “As do I.” What!? I can’t properly explain how bad and stupid that is. Like, if I read that in a peer-review in my college days, I’d tell the person to find a new major. It’s like he can’t fucking remember what he wrote literally the line before, which explains a lot about his story inconsistencies, I guess.
The one that Mark Hamill was talking about was Luke saying, "But we can't turn back! Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Akalai or Zoak and what there is is most likely directed to a large-scale assault." Not sure which line Ford was complaining about but Lucas wrote a LOT of shitty dialogue. His famous "I know" line was supposed to be a 3 minute monologue declaring his undying love for Leia and Ford was like "That's fucking stupid."
I don't mean to be a huge nerd but the planets mentioned are "Aquilae and Sullust." I do respect that you either wrote it off the top of your head or just transcribed it by ear though.
eXoRainbow
werrywerry
Why do they need to highlight which word is being spoken? If you can't hear it, it makes it harder to read. If you can hear it then you don't need fucking subtitles.
quade
I know.
just4thelolz
Kakhtus
I love those interviews from the very early days, when they still had to kind of explain what Star Wars is to the audience. It's hard to imagine such a world.
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
Yeah. Reminds me of a Steve Jobs speech I saw the other day from the early 80, where he was explaining what they were trying to do with a computer. He said that in the future people would be saying "I can't believe it wasn't always like this [using computers constantly]"
exbenedict
Kill this caption styling right the fuck now.
WeaponizedJerk
Is it like a competition to make the most fucking obnoxious captions possible or something?
in9119iwas
_everytime_ a swear word is beeped away on american TV, it shows what a hypocrite country it really is.
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
It's a joke, isn't it.
thepicklebucket
Especially when it ends up just being the word with a beep accompanying it.
anglarite
"Space pirate?" Did he even see the movie?
4vie
How often do actors watch/listen to the stuff they take part in, do you think?
twisti
He's the guy with the talking bear, right ?
thepicklebucket
In what way is he not a space pirate?
MithgarSilvervein
He had a ship that he uses to smuggle illicit goods past blockades. Doesn't get much more pirate-y than that.
taez555
It's probably why they changed the line to "cocky".
Lunchbox1988
...from what
NotACanadian
Unmute the video
rainehdaze
i still can't work out what he's seeing
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
"Right kid, don't get penis-y"
TechnicallyTrueIGuess
Han Solo the Space Pirate
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
Nerfherder, technically
CeterumCenseo
And scruffy looking
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
Who's scruffy looking?
taez555
MissivesFromTheTower
Is this Robert Urich?
taez555
Indeed. I take it you've never seen the greatest space sci-fi fantasy movie ever, Ice Pirates?
MissivesFromTheTower
Can't say that I have. Will look it up.
taez555
It's absolutely terrible, and yet amazing in a lovely dumb campy way.
ThatRaccoonGuy
What's the infamous line that they're all talking about?
HsuDoNihm
See Episodes 1-9
TwiceBurnt
It's a reference to the fact that many fantasy/sci-fi writers do not understand how to create fictional words that can be said by people in real life. There's a reason the mainstream Star Wars movies have very few -- if any -- mentions of "Tw'lek."
Even Tolkein -- a goddamn professor of English and myths who came up with multiple conlangs for Lord of the Rings -- did not perfect this. "Teleporno" anyone?
Takeawoketothewildside
"I Know"
gman003
I don't think it's any one line, and more George Lucas's whole style of writing dialogue.
TwoAyEm
Iirc something about the navicomp and calculating a route through hyperspace.
HedonistBeard
Calling it a "style" feels generous at times, but sure.
IWasGoingToMakeEspresso
While I agree with you, Carrie Fisher really got the shaft on lines. According to her, she hated her lines so much that they inspired her to become a writer.
gablestout
Problemwoodchuck
There's more than one. Lucas typically has a good story in mind but he's hobbled by wooden dialogue. I think Carrie Fisher and George Lucas' wife practically rewrote whole scenes on the set. Harrison Ford was originally supposed to have a long monologue declaring Han's love for Leia in Empire Strikes Back instead of "I know."
When nobody was around to tell him no in the prequels, that's how you get 3 movies with such bad dialogue.
hughmannequinskywalker
Even "I know" isn't the line in the revised script. He was supposed to say, "I love you too" but they kept reshooting the scene because it didn't sound/feel right. Ford finally just ad lib the line, and it was perfect.
qv527gqs7f8888
NOW THIS IS PODRACING
AlexSomething
"I hate sand..."
valen00
George and Moffat (Dr Who) could turn out stellar work when they had a team around them that says no and pushes them and supports them to do it. Let them run the show surrounded by yes men and you get crap.
colesutra
George Romero was the same way with the "[TimeOfDay/Place/Item] of the Dead" movies. When he had someone wrangling him, the movies were top of the genre, and still maintain a beloved place in the hearts of fans of zombie fiction. When he didn't... ...well.. We ended up with Diary of the Dead..
Ricobe9
Moffat could still do stellar work on his own. There was a period where he was close to burning out because he was the show runner of 2 major shows at the same time. That affected his writing and he admits it. But he's still created some top notch episodes while he was the show runner. Heaven Sent is the best episode
5amNonsense
Moffat writes single episodes pretty well, most of the time. He seems to struggle a lot with long-form things. But 100% agree with Heaven Sent, it's a masterpiece and it ruined me emotionally
Ricobe9
Personally i don't think his season arcs are that bad. Season 9 and 10 were solid. Around season 6 and 7 is where he struggled a lot with being almost burned out
He does have flaws. Any writer do. RTD also did a lot of poor episodes and arcs
CandidGamera
I'd even go so far and say Lucas merely has good scenarios in mind. His grasp on story and story-telling seems almost... perfunctory. Read "The Star Wars", the original/early draft ... he really has the Luke/Proto-Anakin character say to Proto-Padme, "I know I shouldn't fall in love with you, but I am falling in love with you." to which she responds "As do I. I know it is wrong but I cannot stop myself." (Yes, Proto-Anakin and Padme. Lucas's original idea was a blend of A New Hope and Return ->
CandidGamera
<- of the Jedi, with A LOT of stuff he recycled in the prequels. In fact, it reads more like a draft for Phantom Menace than ANH. Also, what became Vader was originally two characters, the Fallen Jedi and the evil military commander/Emperor's envoy. And the "evil military commander" Vader existed alongside a proto-Tarkin... it was a redundant mess. The draft has been made into a comic, I highly recommend reading it that way if you aren't into reading scripts).
Problemwoodchuck
First drafts are almost always awful though, especially in sci fi, so I can't hold that against anybody.
Beneath all of the bad lines, there's still a compelling story about the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker in Lucas' two trilogies. But he's the type of filmmaker than needs the right collaborators who can see what he's after while knowing which parts don't work at all. Richard Marquand was a good example, even if he had an unremarkable resume, he had a knack for being able-
JeezusJuice
The specific example gives a completely invalid response to what Anakin said. “I know I shouldn’t, but I’m falling in love with you.” “As do I.” What!? I can’t properly explain how bad and stupid that is. Like, if I read that in a peer-review in my college days, I’d tell the person to find a new major. It’s like he can’t fucking remember what he wrote literally the line before, which explains a lot about his story inconsistencies, I guess.
Problemwoodchuck
-to see the script for RoTJ as Lucas saw them after decades of working in theater while still filtering out some of the clunkers.
SomeDetroitGuy
The one that Mark Hamill was talking about was Luke saying, "But we can't turn back! Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Akalai or Zoak and what there is is most likely directed to a large-scale assault." Not sure which line Ford was complaining about but Lucas wrote a LOT of shitty dialogue. His famous "I know" line was supposed to be a 3 minute monologue declaring his undying love for Leia and Ford was like "That's fucking stupid."
Baelnorn
I don't mean to be a huge nerd but the planets mentioned are "Aquilae and Sullust." I do respect that you either wrote it off the top of your head or just transcribed it by ear though.
BTWash22
Nerd alert!!! :)
Snooj
Aquilae and Sullust, their names confused.
NotACanadian
Captain America, at the meeting.
Caldar
Shaka, when the walls fell
SupernaturalReactions
Dean Winchester, his pants lowered: PUDDING!