Save the humans (from themselves) the planet will be just fine. "I can't *believe* the fires destroyed everything" is the moral equivalent of "leopards ate my face"
That must have been an incredibly frightening and overwhelming experience. Seeing an entire mountain on fire would definitely be a powerful, intense moment. The sight of such destruction can evoke a deep sense of helplessness and concern for the safety of people and wildlife in the area. If you're processing this, it may help to talk about it or share your feelings with someone you trust.
When Fort McMurray was on fire years ago some equipment operators were tasked with demolishing perfectly fine houses to help make a fire break to save the rest of the city. Watching an interview with one operator it sounded like a gut wrenching experience for him. This footage reminds me of what we saw from that fire. Hell on hearth.
My heart goes out to the communities and people affected, all that time, energy and money to be spent to fight the fires and rebuild; but... yeah, nature don't care. If there's excess energy to be spent, it will be spent, somehow.
Insane that we allowed a couple really rich guys get so much richer at the increased damage to our world as to make this a regular event and not just apocalyptic situations ? Ya I agree. I think the best fix for climate change would be, first step, to hunt down all the richest people in the world and see if we can use them to smother the fires.
This isn’t insane. What’s insane is how many people, for so many years, have tried to deny that this is what has been coming. We’ve done this to ourselves.
A lot of times insurance won't pay out for stuff like that unless it's specifically declared on your policy. Even for "low value" (compared to an 8 mil painting) stuff like expensive jewelry, expensive firearms, or your high end gaming PC and streaming setup you often have to name that stuff specifically on your policy to get it covered in any meaningful way.
We have seen wildfire wipe two American towns off the map in very recent history. Now, fires that started in the hills began to sweep into suburban cities. The cell phone videos you watch online will come from places closer and closer to you until you’re the one holding the camera.
I've been working fires for years but being a victim hits totally different man. Like I know what this video feels like, smells like, but I can work within it's limitations. The McKinney fire in northern California had me running for cover, thank God our town survived.
I’m not saying that this hasn’t happened before, it has. But the frequency in which out of scale scenarios like this occur is going to increase from here on out. We have reshaped the climate systems of the world and this is the transformational process. Scientists have warned us, we did too little too late and this is what it is going to look like. But hey: at least some shareholders got obscenely rich.
At least two colleagues of mine lost their house. They packed their daughter and a suitcase with clothes and important papers and left at 3AM. Their phone alarms told them that their house burned probably within 4min, about an hour after they left. They estimate at least 2 years until it's rebuilt.
I work remote on the East Coast but our company is based in LA area... coworkers are having to get kids from school or not go into the office etc etc...not sure if anyone has lost their home yet
Sooooo ... about letting all these rich white folks own the water supply and have massive properties they don't actually care for or follow local rules on fire safety about ...
Seriously though, doesn't matter where you are, have your Go Bag ready. 2 jackets, a scarf and a beanie, 3 shirts, 2 shorts, 2 pair of track-pants, 4 pair of socks, heavy leather boots/steelcaps, $100 in small notes and change, pack of ibuprofen, a pre-paid mobile plan and a spare set of your ID and medical details.
I don’t know what race has to with it but it’s bad management all round that is not helping. It’s not just one weak link in the chain it’s many. It could range from poorly maintained power lines to water control. There’s are lot going wrong with these fires.
Trump said years ago that Californians should finally clean up their forests. That's not climate change, that's the Democrats' laziness. (I'm deliberately not putting an /s at the end because he actually said it. Oh, and also MTG's Jewish space lasers)
That can change. With fires where they use a lot of water to fight it, a lot of that water turns to steam, and that steam paired with particulates comes down at some point. Where is the question.
Can someone explain where all these people are going? I know 100,000 people are under evacuation orders (at least). Are arrangements being made to house them, or are they just leaving for other cities or states? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I haven't seen any news reports covering this.
I know someone sheltering 8, another friends old boss has like 12 in his vacation home, couple other people I work with in the summer got burned out and our crew community has taken them in. I don't know what will happen long term, but this is a major disaster.
Yeah we have been in this situation when we had massive fires in Northern California. It felt like everyone in my neighborhood had a couple of families for a month or so
Hotels, air b n b and apartment rentals which have limited availability and price gouging rates. Only the VERY wealthy are going through this without completely wiping out everything they might have saved up. It’s a profound economic disaster like the country has never seen. Some people probably had their homeowners insurance canceled sometime last year by the insurance companies too. Many will never recover
The other comments pretty well summed it up. It’s also worth mentioning (if you’re curious) there are also animal shelters for people’s pets if they can’t have them wherever they’re staying. Including large animals like horses.
You would be surprised. Lot of people actually open their doors to people in this situation. But most of the time people go and live with relatives. Others could use the campgrounds and sleep in their cars. Shelters are also constructed or used in stadiums or large storage facilities that are not being used. However this is in past situations. Saw recently though that neighboring communities are taking people in.
I have the same question from Ukraine, where did 12 million people go? Within few years, there will be 100 million (if not more) Bangladesh people that are forced to move from their homes. Where will they go?
Many Ukrainians, especially women with children, fled to Western European countries in the first year of the war. Many others are refugees within their own country.
Yes, the question was rhetorical. To clarify the scale of the issues at hand. We got 9 ukrainian kids in my kids school (school with 700 kids). I bet they have great challenges learning Finnish. But 2 of them are on same class as my kid, and they do fine.
In Australia we have execution places set up in schools and sports grounds/stadiums. If you’re lucky it might be just until the danger is over and you can go back home in a day or two.
very generally, people with go stay with family/friends that are close by but out of the area, some people stay in hotels, and some people rough it in cars/campgrounds/etc. there may be shelters setup for disaster refugees in surrounding areas too. I'm speaking very generally so things might be different here
Roughly 90% of disaster evacuees find places to stay in a variety of ways. The Red Cross works hard to have enough shelter space and meals for the 10% who have nowhere to go
I think sometimes hotels will be used as shelters and in that case probably no. but I'm pretty sure some more affluent people will choose to stay at a hotel since it's probably nicer than a shelter. I also don't know how things work with pets, if you can't bring your pet to a shelter people that can afford it will probably opt for a hotel that allows their pet.
stoverpe
Save the humans (from themselves) the planet will be just fine. "I can't *believe* the fires destroyed everything" is the moral equivalent of "leopards ate my face"
hippocampus
No, this is Patrick.
Nexus297
OVERKILLBG
Wow that wind is not helping (unless you are the fire then is helping a lot).
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That must have been an incredibly frightening and overwhelming experience. Seeing an entire mountain on fire would definitely be a powerful, intense moment. The sight of such destruction can evoke a deep sense of helplessness and concern for the safety of people and wildlife in the area. If you're processing this, it may help to talk about it or share your feelings with someone you trust.
Mojohandz
There’s no way to describe the horror of actually seeing first hand an entire mountain on fire.
Kingstad
The pines were roaring on the height
The winds were moaning in the night
The fire was red, it flaming spread
The trees like torches blazed with light
poundingCode
This is what the sixth extinction looks like
Thorketil
Some burn, others drown, others starve and die of thirst.
Kingstad
leaves were falling just like embers, in colors red and gold they set us on fire, burning just like a moonbeam in our eyes
THESEVENSGUY
When Fort McMurray was on fire years ago some equipment operators were tasked with demolishing perfectly fine houses to help make a fire break to save the rest of the city. Watching an interview with one operator it sounded like a gut wrenching experience for him. This footage reminds me of what we saw from that fire. Hell on hearth.
017renegade
I'd suggest to leave and not return to be honest. If that happens more regularly now what's the point?
yesmaybenot
The signs of our future.
4vie
My heart goes out to the communities and people affected, all that time, energy and money to be spent to fight the fires and rebuild; but... yeah, nature don't care. If there's excess energy to be spent, it will be spent, somehow.
AtmaDarkwolf
Insane that we allowed a couple really rich guys get so much richer at the increased damage to our world as to make this a regular event and not just apocalyptic situations ? Ya I agree. I think the best fix for climate change would be, first step, to hunt down all the richest people in the world and see if we can use them to smother the fires.
Shenaniganz84
Looks straight out of “This is the End”
guardian19d
Maui felt the same way.
jonestown
Oakland remembers.
Hured
This isn’t insane. What’s insane is how many people, for so many years, have tried to deny that this is what has been coming. We’ve done this to ourselves.
JustAnotherRabidToaster
Unpopular opinion here, but perhaps we shouldn't rebuild there? Seeing as how this seems to be a regular occurrence...
poundingCode
I can only imagine the insurance fraud to come. My $8,000,000 painting burned in the fire. 🔥
dpidcoe
A lot of times insurance won't pay out for stuff like that unless it's specifically declared on your policy. Even for "low value" (compared to an 8 mil painting) stuff like expensive jewelry, expensive firearms, or your high end gaming PC and streaming setup you often have to name that stuff specifically on your policy to get it covered in any meaningful way.
madvin
Don't worry: they'll make you pay!!
madcatii
I got it. I got it. Why don't we nuke them? We drop a bomb inside the center of the fire and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?
executivedisfunction
That joke fell pretty flat. Or it's the most damning indictment of US schools, since Trump said the same thing.
europenudist
It seems impossible to put that out when there are swarms of embers flying over the whole city
luminator
Ten bucks people will learn literally nothing from this.
IgnisInvictus
Please tell me no one is in that house.
CraftyGiant
likely not, the death toll is very low so far.
Yupurineutah
Which one?
IgnisInvictus
The one behind the fence. If there were people in the other houses they're gone or dead now.
cloudstrife046583000
Those damn smelts are at it again.
Poppypoppoppop
Meanwhile...
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usingYourMomAsAHat
Ye i fucking hate this place
Thorketil
Someone always makes good money from some disaster
AK90
$29,000 A FUCKING MONTH?!?!?!?!? How do people afford that? Thats almost as much as my dad made in a year
MechKelly
"People are desperate, you can profit from that" should be a phrase that gets someone the electric chair. No longer of use to humanity.
nekosupernova
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0l4pkrrm9o
autocorrectfailures
Insane is thinking it couldn't happen.
davidseavey726
Very good point
nclu
Insane is thinking it's because of woke
SerialChickenLover
We have seen wildfire wipe two American towns off the map in very recent history. Now, fires that started in the hills began to sweep into suburban cities. The cell phone videos you watch online will come from places closer and closer to you until you’re the one holding the camera.
evocatiranch
I've been working fires for years but being a victim hits totally different man. Like I know what this video feels like, smells like, but I can work within it's limitations. The McKinney fire in northern California had me running for cover, thank God our town survived.
robotlaserninjashark
I’m not saying that this hasn’t happened before, it has. But the frequency in which out of scale scenarios like this occur is going to increase from here on out. We have reshaped the climate systems of the world and this is the transformational process. Scientists have warned us, we did too little too late and this is what it is going to look like. But hey: at least some shareholders got obscenely rich.
stronomer
At least two colleagues of mine lost their house. They packed their daughter and a suitcase with clothes and important papers and left at 3AM. Their phone alarms told them that their house burned probably within 4min, about an hour after they left. They estimate at least 2 years until it's rebuilt.
CrazyCatLad
I work remote on the East Coast but our company is based in LA area... coworkers are having to get kids from school or not go into the office etc etc...not sure if anyone has lost their home yet
GiantNeckbeard
Sooooo ... about letting all these rich white folks own the water supply and have massive properties they don't actually care for or follow local rules on fire safety about ...
Seriously though, doesn't matter where you are, have your Go Bag ready. 2 jackets, a scarf and a beanie, 3 shirts, 2 shorts, 2 pair of track-pants, 4 pair of socks, heavy leather boots/steelcaps, $100 in small notes and change, pack of ibuprofen, a pre-paid mobile plan and a spare set of your ID and medical details.
Lulabel73
I don’t know what race has to with it but it’s bad management all round that is not helping. It’s not just one weak link in the chain it’s many. It could range from poorly maintained power lines to water control. There’s are lot going wrong with these fires.
Justwarlockthings
Bad management all around and also billionaires owning ridiculous amounts of land and water. https://yasha.substack.com/p/oligarch-farmers-and-the-fires-in
Lulabel73
That would still be in the bad management, who let the rich people get control of the water?
Justwarlockthings
Great question
GiantNeckbeard
Other rich people.
SilverHornet
Believe in climate change yet?
rumandbass
Thorketil
Trump said years ago that Californians should finally clean up their forests. That's not climate change, that's the Democrats' laziness.
(I'm deliberately not putting an /s at the end because he actually said it. Oh, and also MTG's Jewish space lasers)
TwiH
IndigoThursday
Fucking hell
The wind
pastaholic74
Another crappy part of the fires is that there'll be a second wave of homelessness as people's rental houses are sold out from under them.
Avenkal19
Not if Luigi was there.
queefteef
Also all that burned brush and trees will bring mudslides.
mephiston
moreso if @AlphaStructural 's posts are anything to go by. I hope they're doing okay, they're in socal.
stronomer
Imagine major rain now...
stronomer
But that won't happen - at least another 2 weeks without precipitation. And low humidity.
NairouTryyshokk
That can change. With fires where they use a lot of water to fight it, a lot of that water turns to steam, and that steam paired with particulates comes down at some point. Where is the question.
stronomer
Ahem, no the water that's used to put out the fires is not coming down as rain some time later on the same slopes.
TheOriginalAmberRose
Can someone explain where all these people are going? I know 100,000 people are under evacuation orders (at least). Are arrangements being made to house them, or are they just leaving for other cities or states? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I haven't seen any news reports covering this.
Doubtthedevout
People are bidding double and triple listing price and land lords are making out great.
CraftyGiant
I know someone sheltering 8, another friends old boss has like 12 in his vacation home, couple other people I work with in the summer got burned out and our crew community has taken them in. I don't know what will happen long term, but this is a major disaster.
MelfsAcidArrow
Yeah we have been in this situation when we had massive fires in Northern California. It felt like everyone in my neighborhood had a couple of families for a month or so
thinkybrainpains
Hotels, air b n b and apartment rentals which have limited availability and price gouging rates. Only the VERY wealthy are going through this without completely wiping out everything they might have saved up. It’s a profound economic disaster like the country has never seen. Some people probably had their homeowners insurance canceled sometime last year by the insurance companies too. Many will never recover
broadwaynut9
The other comments pretty well summed it up. It’s also worth mentioning (if you’re curious) there are also animal shelters for people’s pets if they can’t have them wherever they’re staying. Including large animals like horses.
MrHappySmiles
I am not having class this week because my teacher has gone there helping family evacuate…
ItsACrazyWorld
You would be surprised. Lot of people actually open their doors to people in this situation. But most of the time people go and live with relatives. Others could use the campgrounds and sleep in their cars. Shelters are also constructed or used in stadiums or large storage facilities that are not being used. However this is in past situations. Saw recently though that neighboring communities are taking people in.
kurvarVillain
There is an evacuation center at the Rose Bowl.
lospaturno
since they are homeless now, government don't care anymore.
SergeyPrkl
I have the same question from Ukraine, where did 12 million people go? Within few years, there will be 100 million (if not more) Bangladesh people that are forced to move from their homes. Where will they go?
symbholic
Thorketil
Many Ukrainians, especially women with children, fled to Western European countries in the first year of the war. Many others are refugees within their own country.
SergeyPrkl
Yes, the question was rhetorical. To clarify the scale of the issues at hand. We got 9 ukrainian kids in my kids school (school with 700 kids). I bet they have great challenges learning Finnish. But 2 of them are on same class as my kid, and they do fine.
Lulabel73
In Australia we have execution places set up in schools and sports grounds/stadiums. If you’re lucky it might be just until the danger is over and you can go back home in a day or two.
mcodger
here in the US the 1% are working on execution centers for the poor, they just need a little more time
Feralkyn
Wow you guys just go straight to execution huh??
Lulabel73
Oops! Well it is cheaper
Marsssan
As an Australian I can confirm re: execution places. If you're lucky you get to go home. If unlucky, executed.
Bigmeatycurtians
The very unlucky get a booting
Murdercorpse
Tough but fair.
Lulabel73
Oopsy
anarchoFeline
very generally, people with go stay with family/friends that are close by but out of the area, some people stay in hotels, and some people rough it in cars/campgrounds/etc. there may be shelters setup for disaster refugees in surrounding areas too. I'm speaking very generally so things might be different here
ChicanoBatman
Family in Long Beach south of LA. Family has a few staying with them. More coming this week. Everyone is really chill and generous for the most part.
hwatL4bloopy
Air BNB is also offering vouchers
sorryforsayingthat
Roughly 90% of disaster evacuees find places to stay in a variety of ways. The Red Cross works hard to have enough shelter space and meals for the 10% who have nowhere to go
MrSnuffleupagus172
List of shelters https://abc7.com/post/socal-wildfire-evacuation-centers/15778967/
WigglyBlondeNoodle
When you say people stay in hotels, do they actually have to pay for a room?
anarchoFeline
I think sometimes hotels will be used as shelters and in that case probably no. but I'm pretty sure some more affluent people will choose to stay at a hotel since it's probably nicer than a shelter. I also don't know how things work with pets, if you can't bring your pet to a shelter people that can afford it will probably opt for a hotel that allows their pet.
MelfsAcidArrow
Depends on the hotel
michaeloberg
And the home insurance policy