In addition to low-quality workmanship, many, if not most construction materials are of lowest possible quality. The entire system is in a very bad state.
If a miracle occurs and I can ever afford to build a house, I'm extremely glad that I could hire one or both of my brothers in law to do a job about a million times better than this.
Huge corporate building firms building whole neighborhoods at once to sell as quick as possible while prices are up. Don’t even buy these when housing prices fall again. You’ll spend double getting it repaired
Not everyone can be StudPack, but even still this is some "we don't give a fuck" attitude from this crew of framers and builders. How can a foreman walk this site and let any of this not be corrected?
It looks like there may be some craftsmanship issues here. But some of this stuff genuinely doesn't matter.
But I hate the "low quality" material shit. Again, in some cases, sure. But the wood that was up against the CMU? That's a furring wall. Literally just there to fasten gyp to. As long as it's a flush surface, it's fine.
And people complaining about using fast growing pine instead of old growth... it's more sustainable. It works fine as long as it's done correctly.
yup. I have seen several newly built residential homes recently and this is extremely common. Pulte is an example of a company that cuts every corner like this so their CEO can get richer. Btw that CEO is Bill Pulte, the same guy who is doing crimes in drumpf's cabinet by pulling confidential data on democrats and referring them to the DOJ for mortgage fraud. good news is none of it has worked so far. all cases have been dismissed.
I've had work this bad done by a spaced-out crackhead, hired by what I thought was a reputable contractor. Turns out he was jailed for 8 years for "theft by deception," taking deposits and then skipping out on the work. I was lucky to get half the work done that I paid him for, and then his girlfriend (accountant or whatever) threatend to put a lien on my house because I held back $150 from his final check. There are some unethical, shitty people out there.
The shiner on the one stud is an issue but those walls not being tight isn't really an issue with a truss floor system unless the prints spec that's a support wall.. usually on truss floors the exterior walls support the floor above which gives you the ability to have open floor plans without posts and carry walls
I recently did about a $250,000 remodel to my own home of which I did about 80% of the work (took 1 1/2 years). The few parts I needed more skilled contractor or just random helpers it was unreal how bad things were and I had to be on them non stop or correct what they did. Now, just saying, where I live they are all MAGAfucks and man do they get irate when you show them stuff they did blatantly wrong.
The absolute best was me pointing shit out to the guy then over the weekend I fixed it, come Monday he saw it and got mad saying "who did you get to do this" and when I answered I did it myself he just turned and walked away all pissed. Yeah, I'm making it political these MAGAfucks.
I'm not a building expert, though. Don't they have city or state inspectors coming out every so often? The point of paying someone that's a licensed professional is that you know they're doing good work.
So on many truss systems, they’re designed to take the weight of the roof . an interior partition wall should have a gap between the trust and the wall if it’s not loadbearing. If it’s loadbearing, it should be touching. I don’t have the plan so it’s just speculation, but it was load bearing, I would guess there would be a post at the intersection of the trusses. I suspect it’s not a load wall based on intentional gap. Guy making a video should have more information than me so maybe I’m wrong.
I mean it looks wrong and like shit regardless. A lot of those nails are just splitting the wood which is a hella expensive amount of damage waiting to happen…whole thing looks like a timebomb.
He does , and I’m not there to fully verify, but from what I can see they don’t look load bearing , based on a few other indicators, they looked like they were built in a non-loadbearing fashion, I could be wrong.
20+ year homebuilder. That's what I'm thinking as well; I doubt it's load-bearing, and that term is thrown around a lot by folks who don't understand how a wood frame building is engineered. A partition wall underneath an alligator truss like that is bad practice period. It should be moved over 4" and attached to a cross-brace so that the joint doesn't squeak as it deflects. The carpenter definitely is sloppy here, but I get the feel that the video maker is having a bit of an over-reaction.
An overreaction on social media, just to garner more clicks and views? I have NEVER in my centuries long life as the best probowler and ten times heavy weight champion in every Ivy league post-doc society heard of such a thing!
Construction company owner here. We normally build new homes and when we order trusses we provide the layout of the home. For example, if it’s something like 28’x60’ with some overhangs and whatnot the truss company will just look at the pitch and perimeter and build it so that the whole roof can be set down on the exterior walls. We build the interior however we want. If it’s too wide (let’s say 55’x75’) they will want interior walls and then they will identify a load bearing interior wall.
Sorry, but I’ve never heard such bullshit. Every wall should meet the truss closely. It doesn’t matter if it’s supporting or not.
It is true that any of those walls that do not have a double header are not supporting walls. That is unless they left that detail out too. Based on the nailing quality, I would not be surprised.
"Floating" trusses have been around for decades. Full contact on the perimeter load bearing surfaces and a 1/2"-1" gap for center walls. Common for buildings in strip malls where it's divided into units to be finished later during Tenant Improvement. Those interior walls don't touch the trusses and are finished with Sheetrock to the top plate and a drop ceiling. Used in homes too, but not as often. Simpson even makes a specific anchor tie that's slotted for this purpose to meet uplift.
*County or City building inspector is either an untrained idiot or severely overworked as has to pick their battles (in my experience, knowing several and working in an adjacent industry for many years)
I own a small construction company in Maine. Building new construction targets 5%-10% profit per home on $450,000 homes. We average closer to 5%. It’s genuinely hard to get that. That being said I always ask that same question and when we meet the buyer I always find that the buyers have jumped through some hoops just to get there. Also, probably 25% of buyers fall through.
Bro I run through the neighborhood in my city that's for multimillionaires and the houses going up are complete trash. Massive cracks in the stucco, bad tile jobs on walkways, poorly insulated
Not sure how it is in your area but around me (chicago burbs) we really had little choice BUT to buy one of these new builds. The community I'm in had nearly 100 homes and they all sold out almost as soon as they became available.
Chicago burbs here too, we managed to avoid it but it's really disheartening seeing tons of these cookie-cutter shitboxes go up and being advertised at ~$400k or so.
FeloniousMonk13
Lowest bidder gets the contract!
Yasashii93
The one thing that’s good about being poor is not having to stress about this stuff.
And this video ain’t an exception. I’ve heard horror stories from every person I know that had a house built.
Neednoggle
If a miracle occurs and I can ever afford to build a house, I'm extremely glad that I could hire one or both of my brothers in law to do a job about a million times better than this.
HandoB4Javert
@AlphaStructural a new but common set of problems...
rolliefingers
I'm beginning to wonder if it really WAS a good idea to replace my morning coffee with a megadose of ketamine and peyote.
theskepticinme
Huge corporate building firms building whole neighborhoods at once to sell as quick as possible while prices are up. Don’t even buy these when housing prices fall again. You’ll spend double getting it repaired
ThePostPenultStraw
Not everyone can be StudPack, but even still this is some "we don't give a fuck" attitude from this crew of framers and builders. How can a foreman walk this site and let any of this not be corrected?
whatsisname
rojelioenescabeche
Won’t last 100+ years like my house.
dtallen243
@AlphaStructural
Illinifan88
It looks like there may be some craftsmanship issues here. But some of this stuff genuinely doesn't matter.
But I hate the "low quality" material shit. Again, in some cases, sure. But the wood that was up against the CMU? That's a furring wall. Literally just there to fasten gyp to. As long as it's a flush surface, it's fine.
And people complaining about using fast growing pine instead of old growth... it's more sustainable. It works fine as long as it's done correctly.
L0rdinquisit0r
this is for a house?
It looks bad even for a work shed construction
onlymostofthetime
yup. I have seen several newly built residential homes recently and this is extremely common. Pulte is an example of a company that cuts every corner like this so their CEO can get richer. Btw that CEO is Bill Pulte, the same guy who is doing crimes in drumpf's cabinet by pulling confidential data on democrats and referring them to the DOJ for mortgage fraud. good news is none of it has worked so far. all cases have been dismissed.
heartlandthunder
Save big money at Menards
Farreg
All the skilled immigrants are being rounded up...
hyppykettu
When it’s your home and you divide people workers into two
Expensive workers
And
Lowest i can afford
BjrnGodi
It always astonishes me how Americans build their houses
Marv111
The second floor and roof are not on yet. Do you have any idea what they weigh? Gaps will be tightened.
AyatollahBahloni
I've had work this bad done by a spaced-out crackhead, hired by what I thought was a reputable contractor. Turns out he was jailed for 8 years for "theft by deception," taking deposits and then skipping out on the work. I was lucky to get half the work done that I paid him for, and then his girlfriend (accountant or whatever) threatend to put a lien on my house because I held back $150 from his final check. There are some unethical, shitty people out there.
Slugsie
Bit of spackle, it'll be fine.
RenaissanceFaireMan
Flashing tape over some of those gaps.
clarkWhogotsanity
The shiner on the one stud is an issue but those walls not being tight isn't really an issue with a truss floor system unless the prints spec that's a support wall.. usually on truss floors the exterior walls support the floor above which gives you the ability to have open floor plans without posts and carry walls
CASchoeps
Good news: it will not be a load-bearing wall for long.
torokunai
might as well just DIY at that point
Cosmicfisherman
Too late at that point
DownUpUpDown
I recently did about a $250,000 remodel to my own home of which I did about 80% of the work (took 1 1/2 years). The few parts I needed more skilled contractor or just random helpers it was unreal how bad things were and I had to be on them non stop or correct what they did. Now, just saying, where I live they are all MAGAfucks and man do they get irate when you show them stuff they did blatantly wrong.
DownUpUpDown
The absolute best was me pointing shit out to the guy then over the weekend I fixed it, come Monday he saw it and got mad saying "who did you get to do this" and when I answered I did it myself he just turned and walked away all pissed. Yeah, I'm making it political these MAGAfucks.
sadurdaynight
I'm not a building expert, though. Don't they have city or state inspectors coming out every so often? The point of paying someone that's a licensed professional is that you know they're doing good work.
Columbus43219
Well... if you want houses built where you can tax them, you make sure houses get built. wink wink.
hushpuppyextraordinaire
So on many truss systems, they’re designed to take the weight of the roof . an interior partition wall should have a gap between the trust and the wall if it’s not loadbearing. If it’s loadbearing, it should be touching. I don’t have the plan so it’s just speculation, but it was load bearing, I would guess there would be a post at the intersection of the trusses. I suspect it’s not a load wall based on intentional gap. Guy making a video should have more information than me so maybe I’m wrong.
CurbYourClassWar
I mean it looks wrong and like shit regardless. A lot of those nails are just splitting the wood which is a hella expensive amount of damage waiting to happen…whole thing looks like a timebomb.
CrossEyedPigeonToed
They guy says those are load bearing walls where the gaps are.
hushpuppyextraordinaire
He does , and I’m not there to fully verify, but from what I can see they don’t look load bearing , based on a few other indicators, they looked like they were built in a non-loadbearing fashion, I could be wrong.
Kevin50seven
20+ year homebuilder. That's what I'm thinking as well; I doubt it's load-bearing, and that term is thrown around a lot by folks who don't understand how a wood frame building is engineered. A partition wall underneath an alligator truss like that is bad practice period. It should be moved over 4" and attached to a cross-brace so that the joint doesn't squeak as it deflects. The carpenter definitely is sloppy here, but I get the feel that the video maker is having a bit of an over-reaction.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
An overreaction on social media, just to garner more clicks and views? I have NEVER in my centuries long life as the best probowler and ten times heavy weight champion in every Ivy league post-doc society heard of such a thing!
AtlasMorrow
Construction company owner here. We normally build new homes and when we order trusses we provide the layout of the home. For example, if it’s something like 28’x60’ with some overhangs and whatnot the truss company will just look at the pitch and perimeter and build it so that the whole roof can be set down on the exterior walls. We build the interior however we want. If it’s too wide (let’s say 55’x75’) they will want interior walls and then they will identify a load bearing interior wall.
RetrogradeLlama
Sorry, but I’ve never heard such bullshit. Every wall should meet the truss closely. It doesn’t matter if it’s supporting or not.
It is true that any of those walls that do not have a double header are not supporting walls. That is unless they left that detail out too. Based on the nailing quality, I would not be surprised.
hushpuppyextraordinaire
It’s debatable I suppose but I have seen it many times,
https://www.jlconline.com//how-to/framing/should-floor-trusses-be-attached-to-walls-below_o
SpindlyElephant
"Floating" trusses have been around for decades. Full contact on the perimeter load bearing surfaces and a 1/2"-1" gap for center walls. Common for buildings in strip malls where it's divided into units to be finished later during Tenant Improvement. Those interior walls don't touch the trusses and are finished with Sheetrock to the top plate and a drop ceiling. Used in homes too, but not as often. Simpson even makes a specific anchor tie that's slotted for this purpose to meet uplift.
ThailandExpress
County or City Building Inspector is being paid off by the general contractor is how this happens
VolcanoHerder
*County or City building inspector is either an untrained idiot or severely overworked as has to pick their battles (in my experience, knowing several and working in an adjacent industry for many years)
SixSixxtySix
To be fair, those trusses are built off-site by a third party.
erickey942000
I've seen worse. 🤷 Lol
steelinmyhead
And they’re fine. It’s the remainder of the framing that is shit.
WhyUAlwaysLying79
They cant afford to build it, and I cant afford to buy it. Who's paying for this?
AtlasMorrow
I own a small construction company in Maine. Building new construction targets 5%-10% profit per home on $450,000 homes. We average closer to 5%. It’s genuinely hard to get that. That being said I always ask that same question and when we meet the buyer I always find that the buyers have jumped through some hoops just to get there. Also, probably 25% of buyers fall through.
SomebodythatIusedtonope
Yes
eromitlab
rEaL eStAtE iNvEsToRs buying everything up and either renting it out or flipping it to a money launderer
Kotarisu
Private Equity Firms.
shitheadtookmyname
Bro I run through the neighborhood in my city that's for multimillionaires and the houses going up are complete trash. Massive cracks in the stucco, bad tile jobs on walkways, poorly insulated
Racealistic
Somehow, still you.
ShearingBlizzard
Taxpayers, as long as the house sits empty, the private equity firm that owns the whole neighborhood can get a tax break.
Atomic2
Not sure how it is in your area but around me (chicago burbs) we really had little choice BUT to buy one of these new builds. The community I'm in had nearly 100 homes and they all sold out almost as soon as they became available.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
Chicago burbs here too, we managed to avoid it but it's really disheartening seeing tons of these cookie-cutter shitboxes go up and being advertised at ~$400k or so.