Guam: a tiny island that's making big news.

Aug 9, 2017 1:32 PM

richincleve

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While watching the news at a local watering hole, the story about North Korea threatening to bomb Guam appeared. A friend of mine said "Big deal. What's so special about Guam?"

I was then I realized that perhaps not a lot of people know what Guam means to the US.

Hence...this post.

Guam is a small island, with all of 210 square miles of land, and a population of about 162,000.

In 1950, Guam was declared an unincorporated organized territory of the United States. That's fancy talk for saying Guamanians were now US citizens, but couldn't vote.

Guam has two major industries supporting it. The first is, of course, tourism.

Most of its tourist traffic comes from Japan, but it also gets plenty of tourists from South Korea, the U.S., the Philippines, and Taiwan.

Its second major industry?

The US military. And there is lots of it in Guam.

Andersen Air Force Base

US Naval Base Guam

Apra Harbor, controlled by the US Navy.

Plus:
- US Navy Ordnance Annex
- U.S. Coast Guard Sector Guam
- Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station, U.S. Navy
- Joint Force Headquarters-Guam, Guam National Guard

Here's an interesting story on the military presence in Guam, which is referred to as America's "permanent aircraft carrier": http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-27/americas-navy-airforce-bases-in-guam-ramp-up-construction/7360776

So, considering Guam (210 sq. miles) has less land than the city of Chicago (234 sq. miles), it is a critical island to the military stability of the area.

And any threat to it is in essence a threat to every peace-loving country in the Pacific.

So if NK fires over Japan and SK, a whole lot of shits going down. Ok Kim.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Guams airbase is where a lot of heavy bombers are which is probably why it's targeted

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hafa Adai any fellow Chamorros on imgur. Chargualaf here.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Watching RTE news in Ireland just now and was reported in full, thanks for the post though

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I love posts about my home!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Me too!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's where my dad acquired his love of Spam. Or Hawaii.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

We're known for our love of Spam (aka Chamorro steak) but Guam offers many other delicacies worth trying. Like kelaguen!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Kill the North Korean leader with the bad haircut!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Stationed there for 3 years, my favorite place the AF has put me so far.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Hey the Pacific Islands Club! My friend used to work there!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Quam is one of the best located submarine base of our 7 we have. Submarines are what carry most of our nukes.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

When I deployed from 13-14 our QRS was Guam National Guard. Them boys would sing and have a good ole time every night. Fun to watch.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I have a brother stationed at the Air Force Base there. Thanks for spreading awareness!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

One of my friends just came back from visiting their dad on in the army base in Guam

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The USS San Jose, AFS-7. Was aboard that POS in summer of 1988. Mom sent mail to the ASS-7. Was classic. Made inactive in 2009.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My brother married a prostitute in Guam. Then brought her to the states where she left him. Good times, Guam.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

Did he meet her in Guam or was it a destination wedding?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They met in Japan, married in Guam, came to the states. She was pretty cool and brought me a bunch of Japanese candy.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"Peace-loving". American military. Haha. Okay buddy. Not disputing the fact that no one deserves to be bombed but get real for a second.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I was looking for your comment!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

They are called Chamorro, not Guamanian

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

My grandma is from Guam. I've heard both plenty of times

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Although Chamorro is one of their official languages and about 37% of the inhabitants are Chamorro, the official demonym is Guamanian.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

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9 years ago (deleted Aug 12, 2017 7:41 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I thought the indigenous are Chamorro, but if you live there and aren't Chamorro, you're Guamanian. Or as my wife says, Guammy Bears

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is the same thing going on in Puerto Rico, the average Joe does the understand that it is a strategic position

9 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 3

Looks like you stroked out during that last sentence.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

*does not understand... i only messed up one word

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Chamorro is the word. Not Guamanian. I called people from Guam that a while back and it offended my friend. He explained it to me.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I found this on that term. I can see why people from there may not appreciate the name. http://www.guampedia.com/adoption-of-guamanian/

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It really doesn't matter how "important" a place is to not want the people there bombed.

9 years ago | Likes 76 Dislikes 4

True but the likelihood of other places with people I don't want bombed being bombed is smaller if it's not also strategically important.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago (deleted Aug 18, 2017 5:10 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

you are putting a lot of faith in a system thats about a 50/50 chance of catching the warhead at very best case

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's the problem we're not able to do that. NK would cause millions of civilian casualties before we could take them out 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

They'd be able to hit SK's capital (densely populated) with artillery before we could take it out. We'd win but at a huge civilian cost 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

And just how confident are you it'll work? Confident enough to risk hundreds of thousands of peoples lives over a bit of pride?

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

https://youtu.be/LC97wdQOmfI I'm like 60% confident

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That's 10% more than my confidence!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

How is killing hundreds of thousands of innocent NK civilians a proportionate response? Most of them have ZERO say in their missile program.

9 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

When nukes are involved the concept of a "proportionate response" goes out the window.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Only if the attack has actually been successful (and not shot down by anti-missle).

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago (deleted Aug 10, 2017 1:58 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Most Americans can't even point out Kentucky on a map, so why are people surprised they don't know what Guam is?

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 15

Isn't it something you chew on?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm no longer surprised by things like that. But it does sadden me. 'I don't know where Guam is but I know what Kim K. wore last night!"

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Or like my Ohio Dad, who can tell you what every gas station in a 10 mile radius charges for a gallon, but doesn't know where Colorado is.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I still fuck up Colorado and Wyoming. The other 48 are easy as pie, but the featureless rectangles can fuck right off.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Its population is also prone to developing ALS and something known as "Parkinsonism-Dementia Complex," which is not amenable to PD treatment

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Yes - among others, Oliver Sacks studied why our indigenous population is prone to developing these neurological disorders.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Large numbers of Guam citizens sign up to join the US military as well.

9 years ago | Likes 221 Dislikes 6

My friends and some of my family live in Guam, I've been praying that kju is just blowing smoke.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yup, I had a Sergeant from Guam. Cool dude.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, we called it the Philippino Mafia. Lots of them and they made rank quick.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Was about to ask if that meant citizens of Guam could join the military.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

John Oliver did a piece on it which was rather interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CesHr99ezWE

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

True! Huge number of Vietnam vets here

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

American GIs or Guamanians?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Both, and plenty of South Vietnamese refugees too.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wow, cool. There is a town here in Hawaii that has the highest per capita percentage of Vietnam Vets in any US State.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Guam was the staging ground for US evacuations of South Vietnamese refugees, as well as the airbase air support in Vietnam launched from.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

One picture is nothing but BUFFS and 135's, yes please Korea fucking try something, Anderson could probably handle it by themselves

9 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 1

Don't forget the two F-22s in the very back of that picture.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Lol didn't even see them !

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Damn hell of a keen eye

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

its not the US were worried so much about, its S. Korea. If N. Korea were to attack, millions of people would die in the first hours

9 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 1

Ummm, sorry not sorry. South Korea has had 50+ years to prepare for this shit. Why they did not move Seoul south is beyond comprehension.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

Sudogwon would likely be blasted to smithereens within days or turned into a modern Stalingrad filled with 25 million people.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Aren't Guam citizens just regular US citizens, like Puerto Ricans and all the others?

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Yes they just have to move to an actual state to vote

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

One of the downsides of the electoral college, i guess.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Yea I feel like they should atleast get a minimum of 2 even if that is an under rep it's a decent start.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

There's really no upsides to it

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Well I mean California and Texas don't decide the president, so we have that at least.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Nope. They can't vote and Guam isn't a state.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

They technically can vote if they move to a state, unlike true foreigners who need citizenship first.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not quite. US citizenship is the same everywhere. However, Guam is not a state, so it doesn't have representation in congress or the senate.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Yep. And since we use an electoral college, and they have zero electorates (is that a word?) even if they voted, it would be meaningless.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think it's "zero electors" but I dunno. Their vote isn't ENTIRELY meaningless, as they can influence the primaries... theoretically.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not quite. They have a nonvoting delegate to the House of Representatives, and people who live on Guam can't vote for president

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It does have representation in congress, but no senators and its single congressman cannot vote.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Non-voting representation is not representation.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, giving a small territory/possible state like Guam 2 Senators would make them ridiculously overrepresented.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I spent many years there in the Navy. It is a beautiful place.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Is it true there are a lot of hookers?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"A lot" is quite the understatement.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Except the locals their hate the military and crimes any issue. Locals trash the island. It's like the TJ of the pacific.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Clearly you have not been to either Guam or TJ.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Sure bud.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I didn't want to get into any of that. Think happy thoughts!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

"Who cares about guam." .... what an idiot?

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

Unfortunately a lot of people just don't know about what Guam means to the US.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Not only that, but what a NK-US confrontation will escalate to. A hundred years ago, it was just one Archduke's life.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

even without the strategic implications. NK attacking anything but an empty desert is catalystic

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

When I think of Guam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Guam will be fine. I just sent them my thoughts and prayers and twitter likes.

9 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 1

Did you empty your account? C'mon, man. You can't just throw your twitter likes around all willy nilly. Yah gotta save!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

doesn't Guam have a pretty capable anti-missile system tho? I have no idea, i'm just guessing that would be a thing they'd have.

9 years ago | Likes 60 Dislikes 3

Wouldn't you like to know... Kim Jung un!!

9 years ago | Likes 56 Dislikes 0

Hope so, I'm headed there Saturday to work on base. I'll update you if I end up getting blown up

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Yes person who is clearly not a North Korean spy

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

The scary thing about all this isn't North Korea's threat to the US, but the likelihood that Russia will get involved.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 8

Not so much Russia as china.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago (deleted Aug 10, 2017 9:53 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

If any country attacks the United States our lives are going to change. You ought to be scared.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

What happened with aerial mounted lasers? I read up on them a decade ago and thought they were beta testing then? Heat force a detonation.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

lasers are bunk for missile defense.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not if you warp the outer shell on trajectory. Upon reentry, yea. Doneso.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

still in development, less than practical really

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They were deemed highly impractical due to required proximity. The have a new laser system in trials on a ship off the Iranian coast.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Yeh it works at close range when its not broken in one of about 30 ways or doesent cook the optics when it fires by exploding a spot of dust

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

These ground/sea based systems Imo are the real solution to North Korea, especially for defense from incoming artillery.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We have bases close enough to drop anything for Asia. The aerial lasers were proven against TBMs, I assume in a decade, were capable.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Do you realize the cost of every anti-missile rocket? It's around $1M. NK has 100,000 missiles aimed at SK, Japan, Guam, etc. $Trillions.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yeah but those are spitballs not nukes

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So you just let 100,000 missiles rain down on SK? So Trump can keep talking tough?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The technology that counters an icbm is not the same as what counters short range rockets (they dont have 100k smart missiles)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's the same technology as the Iron Dome in Israel, and those rockets are $1M each.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Theres THAAD, but a simple google search reveals it really cant be relied on. While its praised as a nuclear shield (p1)

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

It serves more as a last resort hope for survival (2)

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I feel like once a Nuclear warhead is launched, everything is a "Last resort hope for survival"

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It can't be relied on to counter large numbers of missiles. So, a barrage from Russia would overwhelm it. NK's "barrage" of 1... NP.

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Yea, THAAD is designed to counter short and med range missiles, not ICBMs.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

There is a system, its more designed for short range not high speed ICBM even on short range stuff its not a guarenteed shoot down

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good yes, 100% effective... far far from

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No such thing. Best current missile defense system is about 20% vs ICBS curves.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

*ICBM

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

SMH

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 32

why are you shaking your head?

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Because they work *real* well.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

From the article below: "hit-to-kill ballistic missile defense still has a ways to go to prove itself as truly reliable"

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 4

I would guess that they have Aegis SM-3 there and maybe THAAD

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

The one that failed in live testing? thedrive /the-war-zone/11794/navys-new-sm-3-block-iia-ballistic-missile-interceptor-fails-in-live-test

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

The idea with the onion defense is any one or two of them can fail. A missile has to get thru SM3, THAAD, and PAC-3 to strike

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Or, it can just be a rotten onion.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Read into it. Kinda funny. A sailor hit the wrong button causing it to self destruct (it flagged the target as friendly. Safetys kicked in)

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CesHr99ezWE HIGHLY recommend this video on US Territories.

9 years ago | Likes 170 Dislikes 16

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9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I thought it was going to be CGP Grey's video on them.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thanks for the video link.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

OMFGWhatHaveYouDone

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C U R R E N T Y E A R

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THAT was an awesome video.

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Samoa gets so screwed over it hurts.

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9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Unincorporated territories are essentially imperial colonies. Because freedom and democracy.

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 8

True. Who would have thought we'd still have colonies in this day and age?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Except that several territories, like PR, keep voting AGAINST becoming states. They get US benefits and no taxes.

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 2

Puerto Ricans on the island pay taxes.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

You are aware that PR voted for statehood, right?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

They've voted against statehood every time it came up right up until they ran out of money. Seriously PR is fucking bankrupt and looking-

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

for a bailout from the US gov't by formally becoming part of the US gov't.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Not quite they are usually 50/50 on joining

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

"You are aware that PR voted for statehood, right?"

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Only 23 percent of the pop. Took part in the referendum.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

And? Everyone had the opportunity to take part in it, everyone knew about the importance

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Will watch later. In the mean time .

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

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Thanks for the reminder! Just watched it. That was informative and frustrating to listen to.

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