TBF i think women should not breastfeed in the open, there should be enough places like park benches, or even rooms for them were they can breastfeed in a little reclusive calm area so that they can care better for their children when doing it. But i think thats the opposite of gross women should go into the bathroom. But i am a German where you can see a women breast feeding in the public (most likely bus, Parkbench etc. and you keep simply a respectfull distance or stay silent around her (Bus)
As a father of one kid that was (and my wife wasn't exactly shy, since we live in a developed country) and one that definitely wasn't breastfed due to CLP, I have found that the only thought I have whenever I see a woman nursing her baby is a great big relief that a baby is being well fed and cared for. Perhaps unlike a lot of people whose regard for the baby mysteriously ends at birth.
Funny, cause where I live women breastfeed in public all the time, everywhere. For instance in the supermarket while choosing which brand of chips they want, or in the park, or at the town hall waiting on their turn. Nobody looks twice.
I do agree but I'd phrase it differently. Men are taught to view all naked bodies with disgust and then their sexuality carves a hole in that attitude, leaving behind an attitude that fails in it's intended goal but does succeed in making men very judgemental and disgust-ridden.
On a similar note: one of the worst things men did is create a society where sex is something that happens to women, rather than something women want and actively participate in. Mixed with the fact that some of ther conservative ideals for a chaste woman are from men who view their ability to take a woman to bed/being good in bed as a man's only measure of value. Its like being dropped into a 4th season of a TV show, idk what the plot even is.
Breast feeding is a common debate topic throughout history and critical point to educate boys on so they dont grow up to be uneducated weirdo's around women.
I agree with your point but it does seem like an odd odd topic for a History class. Things might be different in the US but, as a history graduate, I can't really imagine how a debate about breast feeding would come up in a history class at any level. Sociology, Psychology or Politics would all make more sense
It was a crucial aspect of the womens Lib and rights movements of many countries, and is still topical due to it being contested or denied by ignorant men and manchild politicians.
I know of no history standard around public breast-feeding. Maybe the Women's Liberation Movement of the 70s and bra-burning, but this specific thing is certainly made up. It's a good point, but the event never happened.
even here they crawl out of the woodwork consistently, though they'll look to find an excuse so their meanness is 'justified'. wait for someone to cosplay using a body suit and they'll be there to declare her way below their standards and whine about all the advantages women have and how lazy she is and blah blah blah.
Lots of people object to public breastfeeding, though it's more acceptable now than in the past. This probably didn't happen, but the sentiment expressed is very real
The government isn't technically allowed to censor speech, but the companies that bought the government and all the social media and news outlets sure can, and do so with impunity.
Redit refused to allow me to make a comment because it had the word "sugar" in it. Can't remember which sub it was, but as soon as I removed that word it allowed me to post
I think the opposite, i think it drives the point home. Here we are discussing how wierd it is to cencor the breast, right? I like how they used RED, like its a RED FLAG.
My accepting the algorithm as a valid excuse, you personally lend it legitimacy. You are giving ad companies an excise to keep doing it because its working. Communities that dont bow loose members and shrink, because ad companies have options. If they had no such options they would have to push for the sanitized world they want, but now, its all to easy, we censor ourselves.
The more things change.. Back in ye olden days of AOL, I was in grad school, and another student in our department was working on a project about breast cancer. She wanted to meet breast cancer survivors, so she looked on AOL for support groups. She learned that AOL censored the word breast so strictly that these groups had to call it things like jug cancer.
If the user didn't self-censor, the message would be lost. It's navigating a system. If you want to fight the algorithm/system, you can't always do it with the posts that most deserve to be actually seen. There are ways of fighting short of total war.
While i agree you cant know how many posts got banned for that, its either this or you never see them. I mean, in fact this is the way to fight back, normalizing it, because the other option is not postíng wich is losing.
Is it reality though? The algorithm loves showing me breasts all day long. We don’t have visibility into that black box, and yeah thats a problem, but I can tell you that most of the things people self censor have counter examples by the bushel, at least in the corners of the internet I frequent. It doesn’t disprove there being a possible effect, but from where I am standing, it seems preemptive censorship is just simping for the algorithms, and senpai algorithm don’t know or care you even exist
I don't have an opinion on how algorithms work, personally. I presume the people posting can make their own decisions about how they think algorithms are affecting them.
You think they should listen to you instead, whatever the consequences may be.
I'm a low level passive user of social media but even idiots like me are aware of "the great filter" that must be obeyed if you want to be an active user
Fuck the system so hard they can't function the way they want it to then. Why are you giving up so easily? The great filter exists because of submissive people like yourself.
And bowing down to your corporate overlords is why that filter exists.
There's been plenty of examples where a site tries to do something silly and it's users go "lol fuck that" and ignore it, and the site often reverses the decision.
It's the same thing with boycotts. Sure you are buying from Starbucks cuz it's convenient, but they are charging you $10 for a coffee because you're letting them.
Seems very simplistic and not entirely relevant. We have passed the "Bot vs human balance" point on the internet, human traffic is only a percentage of online traffic and will continue to shrink as a proportion of internet content. I don't know what comes next but I am old as balls and remember when landline communication was essential and irreplaceable... until it wasnt... so maybe its just time for another change of direction.
Youre bitching about people working within a system to spread a message, rather than about the system itself. Who knows if we would have even seen this post otherwise. Instead of bitching about people within the system, maybe get a job where you can change that system. Until then, stop attacking the users for finding work arounds. Its pointless and makes you sound ignorant.
This was literally a history debate class with it as the topic of discussion. Breast feeding is a common debate topic and critical point to educate boys on so they dont grow up to be uneducated weirdo's around women.
Yeah, yeah. It's definitely not someone posting a curated mic drop moment. This is definitely 100% true in what was said and how it happened. No one else recognized his heroic and ground breaking statement for him, so he had no choice but to post it online. It's all true, every word.
Yeah we believe the debate happened. But the "guy who never talks in class" drops the biggest needle drop that gets everyone to shut up? That's what nobody believes. That's the definition of something he came up with in the shower the next day. He probably sat and listened to all the boys embarrass themselves while the girls all defended the act of public breastfeeding.
Nothing ever happens. No one ever says things. No one's mouth ever flaps open and shut like a suffocating fish. It's all fiction made up by Big Rhetoric to sell more arguments
Look man, any time someone posts something in which the effect is "Their mouth(s) dropped open and they had nothing to say!", it's a pretty safe bet that it's BS and didn't occur. It's the equivalent of a shower argument, it's just an exercise in egotism.
More just like... There's no way a room full of young University students all collectively vocalised that breast feeding was gross and shameful. A room full of old Republicans maybe.
thepicklebucket
Instant downvote for censoring the word "breast" in a repost of a post defending the fact that breasts are not a threat.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
The fact we censor the body but not violence says a lot about a society
PlankTableGo
The fact that boys are hard-wired for this too is terrifying.
Mack1986
Beasts should be fed in the wild versus in public. Unchain the beasts
danimals847
Anybody who thinks women should go to the bathroom to breast feed should go sit on the toilet while they eat dinner and see how they like it
Cactus21
Why are we debating about feeding bats in public. Vampires need to be fed too…
Elkarlo1977
TBF i think women should not breastfeed in the open, there should be enough places like park benches, or even rooms for them were they can breastfeed in a little reclusive calm area so that they can care better for their children when doing it. But i think thats the opposite of gross women should go into the bathroom. But i am a German where you can see a women breast feeding in the public (most likely bus, Parkbench etc. and you keep simply a respectfull distance or stay silent around her (Bus)
keyserv
Oh yeah this story absolutely happened and is completely true.
UneventfulLover
As a father of one kid that was (and my wife wasn't exactly shy, since we live in a developed country) and one that definitely wasn't breastfed due to CLP, I have found that the only thought I have whenever I see a woman nursing her baby is a great big relief that a baby is being well fed and cared for. Perhaps unlike a lot of people whose regard for the baby mysteriously ends at birth.
DeakVanNyke
i wonder if they giggle when order some chicken breast or pork loin (scary words, I know)
AgamemnonsMemes
And then everyone clapped.
Tjitso
Funny, cause where I live women breastfeed in public all the time, everywhere. For instance in the supermarket while choosing which brand of chips they want, or in the park, or at the town hall waiting on their turn. Nobody looks twice.
Camelspotting
You'll find a lot of Gen Z/Alpha are also on the side of not displaying women's bodies in public.
FrankRizzo55
Then the whole bus clapped?
kailsar
You know you've really won the argument when people's mouths are simultaneously open and shut in shock.
GoblinTit
Thank our Baby Jesus that none of us have to read the word "breast" in this post. God is smiling. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH US?
SleazyBijou
I’m sure Hassan said that. He taught those boys to respect breasts. Oops. B - - - - - s.
pres465
The point is good, but this definitely didn't happen. Teenage boys still speak. They will just get louder and more angry. Always.
Jaqdakloun
Why would anyone complain about a boob being out?
Lemic24
Beasts are hungry too
frozenchicken
I do agree but I'd phrase it differently. Men are taught to view all naked bodies with disgust and then their sexuality carves a hole in that attitude, leaving behind an attitude that fails in it's intended goal but does succeed in making men very judgemental and disgust-ridden.
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
On a similar note: one of the worst things men did is create a society where sex is something that happens to women, rather than something women want and actively participate in. Mixed with the fact that some of ther conservative ideals for a chaste woman are from men who view their ability to take a woman to bed/being good in bed as a man's only measure of value. Its like being dropped into a 4th season of a TV show, idk what the plot even is.
arghthisissohard
I think we all agree that ‘breast’ shouldn’t be censored. Erasing or placing taboos on women’s bodies needs to stop.
FLLingerieLuvr
What kind of history is that?
kojenk
Breast feeding is a common debate topic throughout history and critical point to educate boys on so they dont grow up to be uneducated weirdo's around women.
ForthBridge
I agree with your point but it does seem like an odd odd topic for a History class. Things might be different in the US but, as a history graduate, I can't really imagine how a debate about breast feeding would come up in a history class at any level. Sociology, Psychology or Politics would all make more sense
kojenk
It was a crucial aspect of the womens Lib and rights movements of many countries, and is still topical due to it being contested or denied by ignorant men and manchild politicians.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
In US high schools, "History" class is redubbed "Social Studies" and has all of those subjects crammed into it.
pres465
I know of no history standard around public breast-feeding. Maybe the Women's Liberation Movement of the 70s and bra-burning, but this specific thing is certainly made up. It's a good point, but the event never happened.
AyatollahBahloni
Totally off topic, I read his name too fast and thought it was Hassana Banana. But he makes a good point.
NeverTrustThisNew
No he is called Hassan Al-Banana!
elondeepinahorse
That's his rock star alter ego name
Spidey209
Yeah, nah. Never happened. You've been reading bumper stickers wishing you had though of that.
SansAandAnguS
I find this more believable than "random woman shitting all over a local grocery store" story doing the rounds again.
TheDudzzly
Some of you have never worked retails and it shows. That post might be a complete invention, tho
2074red2074
Downvoted for unnecessary censorship.
cousteau
This might not have been OP's doing though.
2074red2074
Don't care, keep that shit on whatever website you found it on.
cousteau
Fair point. I remember there was a user who uncensored these.
emu314159127001
Yeah, since when did borat feeding become so contentious
Methadones
I'll take things that never happened for $500 please. You've seen this site, who complains about seeing boobs?
maybeamonster
even here they crawl out of the woodwork consistently, though they'll look to find an excuse so their meanness is 'justified'. wait for someone to cosplay using a body suit and they'll be there to declare her way below their standards and whine about all the advantages women have and how lazy she is and blah blah blah.
Methadones
Can you stay on topic? Thanks.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Lots of people object to public breastfeeding, though it's more acceptable now than in the past. This probably didn't happen, but the sentiment expressed is very real
Purrmageddon
And those people are morons.
SisyphusRollin
Men and women complain about breast feeding all the fucking time, people act like its crude.
Methadones
Yeah, a vast minority. See the forest from the trees.
SisyphusRollin
Show me the numbers.
iusedtodream
Men when the breast isn't for their pleasure. Did you even read the post?
Methadones
I did, ive never met those men.
medimr
The same people who think that sex education should consist solely of "don't do it." Aka, religious nutjobs and religious-nutjob adjacent people.
Methadones
In my experience its mostly women who criticize breastfeeding.
DutchBoeremeisie
Plenty of non-religious folk too, based on my own experiences.
MrFancyPanzer
You have to censor "breast" now?
raisedonadrywell
Thar started in the 1990s
MrFancyPanzer
What did they say instead? Mammary?
raisedonadrywell
Schools simply blocked searches containing "breast". Chicken breast , breast cancer, etc..
Hevach
We have to censor pee and poo this is the worst AI takeover ever where are the bombs?
thedarkcanuck
Yeah no I'm not doing that
Rabidbacon
It could have been bust. Bust feeding sounds strong.
nullbr
How can you be sure it doesn't say Bort?
KarenFromTheHOA
It probably does.
lemonofdoom2
In capitalist America, corporations and algorithms are upset by the word "breast".
hyperchondriac
The government isn't technically allowed to censor speech, but the companies that bought the government and all the social media and news outlets sure can, and do so with impunity.
CandyPlanetJumper
I love going to a restaurant and ordering grilled chicken @%÷!@/.
IUsedToHaveARealUsername
"One grilled chicken fuck, my good sir"
friendsofsandwiches
now at Hooters!
Marikhen
Why would you want your scrambled eggs fertilized? O_O
Pilgrymm
Ohhhhh I thought it said Bread. Makes so much more sense now.
abc987
I thought bitches first. Would make IMO a bit more sense to be sensored
Alexap30
Do we have to censor bread now? Oh maaan.
gronzilla
Oh naaaan*
RevengeIsIceCream
"Let's get this ⚫️⚫️⚫️⚫️⚫️" is clearly communist propaganda.
Pilgrymm
@CodyBurkett must be on so many watchlists.
CodyBurkett
Probably
Captaincuttlefish
Censoring the word breast in a post about not sexualizing woman gives off the same feeling as "ew gross" why is Breast censored?
BishlamekGurpgork
Because the point of social media is to get visibility, and the platforms have decided that the word's presence should forbid that.
CallMeCourierSix
Because social media. That's why. Posts get taken down if they have certain words.
But you knew that.
JaTheRed
Actually its braut which is probably causing the confusion
talomox14
Jesus Christ. I feel stupid I had to scroll down to see what word was being censored. This shit is so dumb.
TeamToasterNeverForget
at first i thought they were talking about a new term "bitch feeding" that I didnt know what was lol
FoxyEllie
sometimes I just get really hungry :(
AtmaDarkwolf
RIGHT?? LOL I Knew i wasn't the only one who saw that weirdness, turned whole post in on itself.
Hexidimentional
because the person who screenshot the post isnt the person who wrote the post?
JJMRINEEDDAWaffles
The word is breast I couldn't figure it out and was like what is bull shit feeding. What does that have to do with women.
Skitspel
Everything is censored now a days. The advertisers are ruling the world
SavageDrums
Because we are ruled by stupid people who make stupid decisions.
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
So much of the modern world has taken a weird bounce.
Not allowed to say so many words on social platforms that are just normal words. To include bodyparts. It's such a massive step backwards
Samja192
Redit refused to allow me to make a comment because it had the word "sugar" in it. Can't remember which sub it was, but as soon as I removed that word it allowed me to post
Ree81
One sub I visit censors all swears, but fuck, it's fucking hard to stop swearing at idiots!
friendsofsandwiches
did "daddy' follow that?
Samja192
It did, but separate word. And the stated reason was that it thought it was a "bot message". And a non-offensive comment btw..
hyptosis
Because this is an ultra stupid timeline.
chiefrunswithscissors
Are you sure it isn't beast? Because I would prefer if women censored their beast feeding.
Munchman347
Because, 'Auto-Bot Censors'...
zebraImaginationDog
I’m glad you figured out the word, I couldn’t figure it out, thanks!
citizenbs
I thought it said 'beast'
Ree81
you LIAR!
Cranbananarama
Boost feeding. For high octane babies.
Helixninja333
Really defeats the point of the story.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Defeats the point of this fake made up story
jbrightmans
Well, it’s because it didn’t happen. He wished that happened later while he was daydreaming.
mymustachecallstheshots
I think the opposite, i think it drives the point home. Here we are discussing how wierd it is to cencor the breast, right? I like how they used RED, like its a RED FLAG.
halfbakedsnail
Found the Hasan fan.
mymustachecallstheshots
I dont know what that means. Guessing from the other comments this was a fake story?
halfbakedsnail
Not entirely sure if it's fake but Hasan definitely comes off as a grifter and has said some reckless things about the United States.
IlDepo
Because of algorithm, not for "decency."
NairouTryyshokk
My accepting the algorithm as a valid excuse, you personally lend it legitimacy. You are giving ad companies an excise to keep doing it because its working. Communities that dont bow loose members and shrink, because ad companies have options. If they had no such options they would have to push for the sanitized world they want, but now, its all to easy, we censor ourselves.
georgejimmydoodle
The more things change.. Back in ye olden days of AOL, I was in grad school, and another student in our department was working on a project about breast cancer. She wanted to meet breast cancer survivors, so she looked on AOL for support groups. She learned that AOL censored the word breast so strictly that these groups had to call it things like jug cancer.
ChiLLeCheeze
Save the Juggalos!
mairusupawa
You're normalizing this by finding excuses. Fuck the algorithm.
IlDepo
I'm explaining, not finding an excuse, i'm not the one who felt the need to censor "breasts".
TheMightyMollusk
An explanation is not an excuse.
MajorasTerribleFate
If the user didn't self-censor, the message would be lost. It's navigating a system. If you want to fight the algorithm/system, you can't always do it with the posts that most deserve to be actually seen. There are ways of fighting short of total war.
DonaldMerwinElbertAKATrashCanMan
While i agree you cant know how many posts got banned for that, its either this or you never see them. I mean, in fact this is the way to fight back, normalizing it, because the other option is not postíng wich is losing.
Kaleopolitus
Then the algorithm will fuck you, and your ability to reach other people.
When you have a collar around your neck, and guards at the corners, maybe you need to take that into account if you want to achieve anything useful.
I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying I understand the reality of the situation.
insanumingenium
Is it reality though? The algorithm loves showing me breasts all day long. We don’t have visibility into that black box, and yeah thats a problem, but I can tell you that most of the things people self censor have counter examples by the bushel, at least in the corners of the internet I frequent. It doesn’t disprove there being a possible effect, but from where I am standing, it seems preemptive censorship is just simping for the algorithms, and senpai algorithm don’t know or care you even exist
insanumingenium
This is imgur and twitter in this pic, both openly nazi friendly places, and the nazis aren’t censoring shit and are still reaching people…
Kaleopolitus
I don't have an opinion on how algorithms work, personally. I presume the people posting can make their own decisions about how they think algorithms are affecting them.
You think they should listen to you instead, whatever the consequences may be.
I did a poor job of explaining that earlier.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
I'm a low level passive user of social media but even idiots like me are aware of "the great filter" that must be obeyed if you want to be an active user
boobityboobityboobity
Fuck the system so hard they can't function the way they want it to then. Why are you giving up so easily? The great filter exists because of submissive people like yourself.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
No, it exists because high volume users imbue it with value which supports an industry
mirhagk
And bowing down to your corporate overlords is why that filter exists.
There's been plenty of examples where a site tries to do something silly and it's users go "lol fuck that" and ignore it, and the site often reverses the decision.
It's the same thing with boycotts. Sure you are buying from Starbucks cuz it's convenient, but they are charging you $10 for a coffee because you're letting them.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
Seems very simplistic and not entirely relevant. We have passed the "Bot vs human balance" point on the internet, human traffic is only a percentage of online traffic and will continue to shrink as a proportion of internet content. I don't know what comes next but I am old as balls and remember when landline communication was essential and irreplaceable... until it wasnt... so maybe its just time for another change of direction.
Joedog624
Youre bitching about people working within a system to spread a message, rather than about the system itself. Who knows if we would have even seen this post otherwise. Instead of bitching about people within the system, maybe get a job where you can change that system. Until then, stop attacking the users for finding work arounds. Its pointless and makes you sound ignorant.
TheFullLength
And then everyone clapped.
kojenk
This was literally a history debate class with it as the topic of discussion. Breast feeding is a common debate topic and critical point to educate boys on so they dont grow up to be uneducated weirdo's around women.
dieselfury
Yeah, yeah. It's definitely not someone posting a curated mic drop moment. This is definitely 100% true in what was said and how it happened. No one else recognized his heroic and ground breaking statement for him, so he had no choice but to post it online. It's all true, every word.
doodlydoofus
Yeah we believe the debate happened. But the "guy who never talks in class" drops the biggest needle drop that gets everyone to shut up? That's what nobody believes. That's the definition of something he came up with in the shower the next day. He probably sat and listened to all the boys embarrass themselves while the girls all defended the act of public breastfeeding.
LicensedAdHominem
Nothing ever happens. No one ever says things. No one's mouth ever flaps open and shut like a suffocating fish. It's all fiction made up by Big Rhetoric to sell more arguments
SpikesGuns
Look man, any time someone posts something in which the effect is "Their mouth(s) dropped open and they had nothing to say!", it's a pretty safe bet that it's BS and didn't occur. It's the equivalent of a shower argument, it's just an exercise in egotism.
LicensedAdHominem
That's basically every time someone asks Farage an uncomfortable question, or bring up Holocaust to a German-speaking class
TheFullLength
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dW83OXU2bzg4ZG9zNXl6YTRmbTV0YXVxODJsdm8zN2ZkemQyMG53OCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/LyJ6KPlrFdKnK/200w.webp
AlwaysDownvoteDots
But I already HAVE all of these arguments at HOME, you can't sell me more!
chiefrunswithscissors
More just like... There's no way a room full of young University students all collectively vocalised that breast feeding was gross and shameful.
A room full of old Republicans maybe.
hyptosis
Where did you get university from this? I pictured like 5th graders? Agree Republicans should be fed into a paper shredder though.
chiefrunswithscissors
You are correct I dunno why I assumed it was University
GiveYourBallsATug69
Look at the profile pic. Suit and tie. That guy's at least in his 20s, so uni is a fair assumption.
hyptosis
you're totally right! :D
chiefrunswithscissors
Although looking at that kid there's no way he's 10 and there's no way 10 year Olds are debating breast feeding
hyptosis
fair enough haha
hyptosis
yeah i didn't even look at the profile picture!