I don't believe they planned this to go this way. Never explain by malice something that can be explained by gross incompetence. I do believe your administration is stupid enough to think only about lowering the beef prices and ignored the risks.
The more I see them trying to inact P2025, the more I see how stupid those people are. Cause that plan of theirs only works when there is nothing stopping them, including the people. And while they have succeeded in making some of their plan come true, I see more and more resistance and courts overthrowing their attempts. Keep fighting folks, we can stop them.
Wait.? The same Argentina that received 20 bn US $ of agricultural support from the MAGA government last year is not allowed to sell their produce to the US. ???
To be clear on a few points about this recall: 1) The recall is strictly because the product missed a required import re-inspection, not because anyone has actually found any issues with it. The meat could all be fine for all we know. 2) The recalled beef was imported BEFORE any of these claimed policy changes were made. 3) The inspections were missed due to a paperwork mishap, the rule regarding inspections was never changed.
Is that the beef China rejected as well? Of course Argentina wants to get rid of it cheap, they're stuck with it, the only country that would take it is the US.
The meat is being recalled because it wasn’t reinspected, which automatically makes it a Class 1. Not because it was making people sick. Was it safe to eat anyway? Probably not
Argentinian here, we eat our own meat ofc, and a LOT of it, and we are fine, no mass deaths nor widespread health issues, maybe there are other interests behind this move, or maybe its simply not that bad and its taken out of proportions, again, because orher interests involved? Maybe trying to use a new scapegoat to keep hiding the pedo files?
This one doesn't say there is anything wrong with the meat. Just that they didn't inspect it during import (but presumably it was already inspected, hence "reinspect").
Uninspected is presumed contaminated... esp when it is from a country like Argentina with a history of poisoned meat (China rejected the meat after testing showed a toxic antibiotic, chloramphenicol).
There is actually a whole series of toxic beef coming out of Argentina... the Chinese just rejected some 22 tons for having poison additives... and if the Chinese are wary of Argentinian beef, we need to be fucking terrified
Not poison additives exactly, chloramphenicol. A very powerful antibiotic used in humans only in extreme circumstances because it doesn’t have a great safety profile.
The substance is banned in beef, because it can cause severe blood disorders and a fatal bone marrow condition in humans.
It may work great if you have the illness it can fight, but if you don't, it can be deadly. To argue it is not a 'poison' to humans is semantics, esp since there is no safe minimum dose, so even a tiny amount can cause idiosyncratic toxicity.
This was not an overreaction by China and beef from that specific ranch has been banned, globally, from exports.
Fully agree, I just wanted to add some background info (namely that they were using a powerful but dangerous antibiotic on the cattle, it wasn’t just a random contamination event with something toxic)
We eat WAY too much beef to begin with. It's the most expensive, and by far the most climate impacting source of protein. Eat more pork, chicken, and fish, if you want to eat meat. I'm not vegetarian, but I limit my meat consumption, and beef is an occasional treat for me, not a staple. We've been brainwashed by the industry to think we need meat every day. I realize this is culturally sensitive to say, and some folks don't have many options, but if you do, consider them wisely.
I love meat. I love steak. I love cooking steak. My best guy friend is a carnivore. But I have cut way back both for health and budget. Really good seasoned ground turkey or chicken can sub ground beef for most things other than burgers and the like. My salmon game is now crazy strong. And beans and tofu are damned good when handled right.
Im not a vegetarian, but for more than just the meat industry Americans as a whole need to eat less meat and more beans and legumes for like diet reasons. B vitamins, magnesium, FIBER, bunch of really important nutrients in legumes that meat will never be able to supplement. Meat is good, and theres nothing wrong with eating meat. But it shouldn't be 2-3 meals a day that are meat based in my humble and not fully educated opinion
However, meat is the last source of food love I have left because a lot of the vegetable based proteins are a 'do not eat' due to almost end stage kidney disease. I am going to enjoy what I can while I can, because soon its going to be nutrition shakes for three months why my mouth heals due to losing my chompers once against to kidney disease.
I’m a meat loving American, and damn do I love beef. But I also love just making some rice and throwing store bought pav bhaji on top for dinner after work. I’m with you.
My buddy eats vegetarian, and his partner says he's not a good one, (with no judgment) because he eats a steak every once in a while. My daughter pointed out that if that's what keeps you 'vegetarian", you're still so much better off, personally, and for the planet. Better than just throwing in the towel and not being "vegetarian".
Been vegan for 30+ years. It’s gotten way easier in the last 10 to find ample meat substitutes if that’s your thing. I’m as healthy as the next person, and I still enjoy junk food, candy, soda, etc. Just made the conscious choice to stop supporting the meat industry in all forms. Fuck those guys, and FUCK Trump and his administration of goons. We elected a clown and we now live in a circus.
That's why I still eat it sometimes. I just prefer not to support the industry in general. Sometimes I give in because I really want a goddamn steak, even if it's 50 bucks at the butcher.
They want to increase the birth rate and also take away protections for society, like food regulations, environmental protections, and healthcare. Make it make sense. These policies are contradictory and hypocritical. The only common thread is that they don't give a fuck about people.
Bruh… they are stealing money from the people. As Trump is building his golden ballroom there are people living in cars and tents. There’s people dying of diabetes because they can’t afford insulin. There’s armed bullies running around disappearing random people.
AND THE PEOPLE STILL AREN’T OVERTHROWING THE GOVERNMENT!
You underestimate their self-delusion. They legitimately think they're special enough to bend reality to their will. All despots are. Then they eventually find out that they were wrong..
I recall hearing somebody say once "we are only ever a handful of missed meals away from a revolution" and that always stuck with me. There's definitely truth in it, but it would have to be a large swath of the population feeling it I'd argue.
Yeah, like people are more dangerous and desperate when they are hungry. You gonna starve a population of 300 million people and still think you’re maintaining power as a government? Madness.
Yeah but 300 million kinda beats any combo of ICE, the guard, and the military combined. Just for the fact that when you force people to stop their neighbors/friends, they tend to turn on you.
If you think people will stand up when harm come's to their neighbours / friends or even loved ones you will be very mistaken. Americans tend to not give 2 single fucks about anyone but themself and until it effects them in person.
In 2024 people had food, the economy allowed you to purchase meat and vegetables at reasonable prices. Now we have food insecurity, scarcity, and contamination and food suspicion. This government has completely disrupted the food supply of this country through economics and safety. Even MAGA diehards will turn against them when their bellies are empty. Ask a person from the Great Depression (if any are still around) why they always kept a stocked pantry even decades after the crisis was over.
hsalonen3000
I don't believe they planned this to go this way. Never explain by malice something that can be explained by gross incompetence. I do believe your administration is stupid enough to think only about lowering the beef prices and ignored the risks.
Cornchip2000
Including BABY FORMULA!
Riiiightttt
Where are we at in the Project 2025 playback? 2 years in...?
sherlockhooves
The more I see them trying to inact P2025, the more I see how stupid those people are. Cause that plan of theirs only works when there is nothing stopping them, including the people. And while they have succeeded in making some of their plan come true, I see more and more resistance and courts overthrowing their attempts. Keep fighting folks, we can stop them.
cyno01
Ein0r
That should be somewhere between 60-80 cattle.
HawkmanXLII
From the thumbnail, I thought that frozen beef package was a playing card. I thought Ol' Betsy was up to her tricks again.
GwensBackOnHerBS
oopsipoopsi
Wait.? The same Argentina that received 20 bn US $ of agricultural support from the MAGA government last year is not allowed to sell their produce to the US. ???
cyberplunk127001
I’m gonna defeat fascism by being a fat ass who doesn’t need their shitty beef. Checkmate maga
nomikos
Ehr, *why* do they want food insecurity?
cbale2000
To be clear on a few points about this recall:
1) The recall is strictly because the product missed a required import re-inspection, not because anyone has actually found any issues with it. The meat could all be fine for all we know.
2) The recalled beef was imported BEFORE any of these claimed policy changes were made.
3) The inspections were missed due to a paperwork mishap, the rule regarding inspections was never changed.
QueenAmy
Wait, I thought we were helping American farms
CakeIsALie227
I'm sure its the stuff Argentina would have rejected for its own consumption
varonicaED
Is that the beef China rejected as well? Of course Argentina wants to get rid of it cheap, they're stuck with it, the only country that would take it is the US.
CakeIsALie227
I hate current year
hellvis
Chapter 13 of Project 2025 is about fucking over the EPA, not about creating food insecurity. At least my rudimentary googling says that. https://thestennettreport.github.io/Project_2025/Mandate_For_Leadership/Chapter_13.html
I mean, yes, this is a shit situation brought on by a shit government but let's not add lies to it just to whip everyone up.
MerlintheRogue
The meat is being recalled because it wasn’t reinspected, which automatically makes it a Class 1. Not because it was making people sick. Was it safe to eat anyway? Probably not
drewfusmpls
it wasn't reinspected because they know it would not have passed inspection.
scarabrae
That beef is USDA Grade P2025.
nimeton0
DonaldMerwinElbertAKATrashCanMan
Argentinian here, we eat our own meat ofc, and a LOT of it, and we are fine, no mass deaths nor widespread health issues, maybe there are other interests behind this move, or maybe its simply not that bad and its taken out of proportions, again, because orher interests involved? Maybe trying to use a new scapegoat to keep hiding the pedo files?
lordyhalvey
JerzeeTomato
*Just Recalled* 3 weeks ago... Why is imgur the 1st place I'm hearing about this?
Malak224
Because the agency’s put in place to protect us are controlled by a government that is more worried about damage control than actually doing the job.
My opinion anyway.
JerzeeTomato
No, no... I'm pretty sure you're spot on there.
bippityboppitybuttsex
USDA source https://www.fsis.usda.gov/recalls-alerts/corte-argentino-usa-llc-recalls-raw-beef-products-imported-without-benefit-import
khora
This one doesn't say there is anything wrong with the meat. Just that they didn't inspect it during import (but presumably it was already inspected, hence "reinspect").
bippityboppitybuttsex
Uninspected is presumed contaminated... esp when it is from a country like Argentina with a history of poisoned meat (China rejected the meat after testing showed a toxic antibiotic, chloramphenicol).
khora
It was from one meatpacking plant, once. The antibiotic is banned in Argentina as well.
bippityboppitybuttsex
'Banned in Argentina' does not mean 'not used in Argentina' apparently.
FinancialRavioli
That's dated Aug. 7, 2026. Is this old, or is there more toxic Argentinian beef on its way?
bippityboppitybuttsex
There is actually a whole series of toxic beef coming out of Argentina... the Chinese just rejected some 22 tons for having poison additives... and if the Chinese are wary of Argentinian beef, we need to be fucking terrified
lujotu
Not poison additives exactly, chloramphenicol. A very powerful antibiotic used in humans only in extreme circumstances because it doesn’t have a great safety profile.
lujotu
I mostly used it for plasmid uptake selection in e. Coli for protein production
bippityboppitybuttsex
The substance is banned in beef, because it can cause severe blood disorders and a fatal bone marrow condition in humans.
It may work great if you have the illness it can fight, but if you don't, it can be deadly. To argue it is not a 'poison' to humans is semantics, esp since there is no safe minimum dose, so even a tiny amount can cause idiosyncratic toxicity.
This was not an overreaction by China and beef from that specific ranch has been banned, globally, from exports.
lujotu
Fully agree, I just wanted to add some background info (namely that they were using a powerful but dangerous antibiotic on the cattle, it wasn’t just a random contamination event with something toxic)
HawkmanXLII
We eat WAY too much beef to begin with. It's the most expensive, and by far the most climate impacting source of protein. Eat more pork, chicken, and fish, if you want to eat meat. I'm not vegetarian, but I limit my meat consumption, and beef is an occasional treat for me, not a staple. We've been brainwashed by the industry to think we need meat every day. I realize this is culturally sensitive to say, and some folks don't have many options, but if you do, consider them wisely.
ToweringLilly
I love meat. I love steak. I love cooking steak. My best guy friend is a carnivore. But I have cut way back both for health and budget. Really good seasoned ground turkey or chicken can sub ground beef for most things other than burgers and the like. My salmon game is now crazy strong. And beans and tofu are damned good when handled right.
ShaggyQueen
Im not a vegetarian, but for more than just the meat industry Americans as a whole need to eat less meat and more beans and legumes for like diet reasons. B vitamins, magnesium, FIBER, bunch of really important nutrients in legumes that meat will never be able to supplement. Meat is good, and theres nothing wrong with eating meat. But it shouldn't be 2-3 meals a day that are meat based in my humble and not fully educated opinion
LittleAzie
However, meat is the last source of food love I have left because a lot of the vegetable based proteins are a 'do not eat' due to almost end stage kidney disease. I am going to enjoy what I can while I can, because soon its going to be nutrition shakes for three months why my mouth heals due to losing my chompers once against to kidney disease.
lujotu
I’m a meat loving American, and damn do I love beef. But I also love just making some rice and throwing store bought pav bhaji on top for dinner after work. I’m with you.
theobituator
My buddy eats vegetarian, and his partner says he's not a good one, (with no judgment) because he eats a steak every once in a while. My daughter pointed out that if that's what keeps you 'vegetarian", you're still so much better off, personally, and for the planet. Better than just throwing in the towel and not being "vegetarian".
lujotu
I like this. Perfect is the enemy of good.
fascinationstreet
Been vegan for 30+ years. It’s gotten way easier in the last 10 to find ample meat substitutes if that’s your thing. I’m as healthy as the next person, and I still enjoy junk food, candy, soda, etc. Just made the conscious choice to stop supporting the meat industry in all forms. Fuck those guys, and FUCK Trump and his administration of goons. We elected a clown and we now live in a circus.
PetricusGaming
I too have been limiting beef consumption, but damn, they taste so good.
InitHello
Goat tastes even better in my opinion, and goats are much more flexible in terms of where they can thrive.
HawkmanXLII
That's why I still eat it sometimes. I just prefer not to support the industry in general. Sometimes I give in because I really want a goddamn steak, even if it's 50 bucks at the butcher.
MiserCrass
Food is literally like one of the last things before people overthrow governments tho, weird hill for them to die on.
GrammarCorrectionsOfficer
Them belly full, but we hungry.
https://youtu.be/S4cD8eyWpwQ?is=Mp6ZKMJyYOOryqWZ
spittinfacts
"The only barrier between us and anarchy is the last nine meals we’ve had." -- Alfred Henry Lewis
suckstoyourauntie
They want to increase the birth rate and also take away protections for society, like food regulations, environmental protections, and healthcare. Make it make sense. These policies are contradictory and hypocritical. The only common thread is that they don't give a fuck about people.
5hortBu5
I don't mind the hill, as long as they die.
AgamemnonsMemes
Well, at least they'll be dead.
Yasashii93
Bruh… they are stealing money from the people. As Trump is building his golden ballroom there are people living in cars and tents. There’s people dying of diabetes because they can’t afford insulin. There’s armed bullies running around disappearing random people.
AND THE PEOPLE STILL AREN’T OVERTHROWING THE GOVERNMENT!
At this point I have zero faith they ever will.
theobstruction
You underestimate their self-delusion. They legitimately think they're special enough to bend reality to their will. All despots are. Then they eventually find out that they were wrong..
spookyu
I recall hearing somebody say once "we are only ever a handful of missed meals away from a revolution" and that always stuck with me. There's definitely truth in it, but it would have to be a large swath of the population feeling it I'd argue.
ThePostPenultStraw
Yeah, like people are more dangerous and desperate when they are hungry. You gonna starve a population of 300 million people and still think you’re maintaining power as a government? Madness.
Destro24
Think that’s the point: break it up into nice corporate controlled chunks.
FaeVikingPrincess
they keep being fed the lie that a tired hungry populace can't fight back. Not realizing a tired and hungry populace has no choice but to fight back.
Frenchgeek
Well, between your needs and their want, you wouldn't want to mildly inconvenience those really important people, would you? /s
ontarioOT
Why do you think they need the surveillance tech and billions for their gestapo (ICE)?
drewfusmpls
Yeah but 300 million kinda beats any combo of ICE, the guard, and the military combined. Just for the fact that when you force people to stop their neighbors/friends, they tend to turn on you.
Jandegrote
If you think people will stand up when harm come's to their neighbours / friends or even loved ones you will be very mistaken. Americans tend to not give 2 single fucks about anyone but themself and until it effects them in person.
ontarioOT
I don't share your confidence. I'll use 2024 votes.
1/3 couldn't bother to vote to avoid fascism. Do you think they're going to suddenly develop a revolutionary spirit and resolve?
1/3 are mostly or totally in support of authoritarianism and some will actually help their oppressors.
Which leaves you with maybe 75 million. Maybe 1/4 of them will actually fight back. Geography works against you, as does military tech.
It's not impossible but it's unlikely, especially without lots of violence.
ThePostPenultStraw
In 2024 people had food, the economy allowed you to purchase meat and vegetables at reasonable prices. Now we have food insecurity, scarcity, and contamination and food suspicion. This government has completely disrupted the food supply of this country through economics and safety.
Even MAGA diehards will turn against them when their bellies are empty. Ask a person from the Great Depression (if any are still around) why they always kept a stocked pantry even decades after the crisis was over.
StarmineRendezvous
Good luck getting even 1% to revolt.
lujotu
A starving populace that’s armed to the teeth will eventually revolt. Not in any coherent way, just complete chaos.