ICE agents detained a man in Passaic, New Jersey, after he claimed to be a U.S. citizen. They took him down and handcuffed him while he repeatedly pleaded with them to check his ID.
So, they have given up even pretending to wear uniforms and just toss a vest over the t-shirt, jeans, and sneakers? The "police" name plates are not even consistent. These are just law enforcement cosplayers
The sad part is, they will take him to a holding center where he will spend 3 days. Once they confirm that he is a US citizen, they will drop him off in the next town over in an empty parking lot with one shoe and not even give him his ID, phone, or wallet back.
Y'all better hope we overcome this shit too. Cause the far right in your country is watching too. Fascism is back in fashion, and I'm afraid if we fall here, there wont be much left to stand up to it. Dont ever start thinking "Well that cant happen here" because before 2015 I thought the exact same thing.
Straight up arm around throat stranglehold-deadly force on non-violent suspect on which ICE has no jurisdiction. "Strangleholds and chokeholds are generally prohibited or heavily restricted by law enforcement agencies throughout the United States. While there is no singular, sweeping federal criminal statute that outlaws them, a combination of federal agency bans, state laws, and local department policies have made their routine use illegal or categorized them strictly as deadly force" 1 torture
I suspect that their only true objective is to foment outrage in order to incite protests which will immediately and categorically be deemed violent so that Trump can yry to delay or cancel the midterms.
Agree; the fact that they've been judge, jury and executioner to so many people doesn't make it "fair" to treat them the same way; that's not how justice works. If criminals deserve no justice, how do you determine they're actually criminals?
They are all so desperate to be involved in the "takedown". Five dudes acting like they are sure this one, compliant, non-struggling dude is about to bolt, so they're FIGHTING to KEEP HIM UNDER CONTROL. Guy is just standing there. And then just lying there... 😢
Not defending ICE, but if your job is to control an adult man then you want as much help as possible to reduce your risk levels. Not sure if you understand how dangerous humans are, but anyone who wants to go home each night will absolutely try to have as many bodies as possible to take down anyone. 1v1 is stupid. 5v1 makes sense. Still ACAB but it makes sense.
Only to morons who think that honorable fighting is real. Some folks live in a fantasy and think that overwhelming force is cowardly. Or bombing unarmed soldiers is cowardly. Or drone pilots are cowards. Or shooting someone with a knife is cowardly. They watch movies and are stupid. The only right way to fight is to ensure that you win and don't get hurt. Using 6 or more people to restrain someone is smart because your side is going to be safe and will win. All other guidelines are nonsense.
It always amazes me to see non-white ICE agents. You dumb shits don't think you're next? You think your "colleagues" won't treat you exactly like this as soon as they're told/allowed to?
It's called "pick-me's", and it's very much a thing. It *never* works out for any of the pick-me's in the long run, but that doesn't stop them from trying anyways.
They have a 2000 per day arrest quota with severe consequences if they dont keep up. They're going to grab anyone and everyone they can get away with, dead or alive.
29% of democrat voting men have guns vs 45% of republicans. The diference is not vast as they want you to think. The problem is in the willingness to use them against people. that is their best tool. They know it very well and uses it for their advance. This needs to be changed. I am against violence in general, but I am not against it when the situation is getting out of hand by evil people. They don't deserve to live.
Its not going to stop and its only going to get worse. Everyone thought that it would end when Renee Good was killed. It has only escalated. None of us are willing to fight. The people of this country are all apathetic losers. The country dies in November. Good job to everyone involved. Fucking assholes.
We claw back every bonus paid to these fascist terrorists, ban them from any public job for the rest of their lives, and prosecute every single one who has committed a crime, and every one who covered up those crimes. Anyone convicted should lose the right to vote for 15 years.
As they cover their faces, it is hard to see who has committed a crime. Just handle them as a group. If you were ICE, you were a part of domestic terrorism organization and go to jail.
Problem is, you can't declare something illegal retroactively. Guess you could demand to know identities of perpetrators and make all of them "murder suspects" until proven otherwise though.
I wonder if there should be a limit for that. Like maybe someone joined ICE before they started murdering people, then went "nope" and got the fuck outta there because principles. Maybe those may deserve some mercy. (100% agree on the prosecution part though. If the US ever gets a sane government again(?), they totally should set up some sort of fast track for that process to help the victims.)
What I heard is that it's paid as a fractioned payment yearly, but with the possibility to take the whole thing back (even what's already been paid) if they don't stay for the whole time.
Basic employment records within the Federal Government for non& sensitive employees are generally a matter of public record and discoverable by FOIA requests. Historically the Federal Government has also voluntarily maintained a public facing database of general employment history info as a matter of good government.
That best practice can be codified in law by Congress. And I think in general law enforcement shouldn't be exempted from such a database.
You're correct that most employment background checks are about verifying information an applicant has provided, not discovering things they have chosen not to share.
Of course, employers in general don't like to see CV gaps.
And always they are so incompetent, on top of their maliciousness. There's five of them and they can barely restrain one man. Shitheels and traitors. Cowards and weaklines.
I swear to fucking god if you guys let any of these fucking skate on charges after this bullshit era is over you were the problem not them. Pisses me off to see this shit.
Stop saying what's wrong with ICE? Start saying what's wrong with the American people to not arm themselves and organize against this? You are not angry enough.
School and police reject with nothing to lose, with no rules and regulations, let loose on a country by a wannabe dictator - to find anyone with a skin color he doesn't like (mexican, cuban, etc). Its basically the gestapo / SS,. and not a very high quality at that.
Get them off the streets. Boycott their lodgings and food,. do not give them anything.
I wonder how they'll scatter when engaged from long distance. When they can't hit the person to the ground and execute them. Will they scatter? Will they try to find cover and control the situation? Will they start vaguely shooting in whatever direction they think the shots came from? Maybe they'll just start crying.
Police isn't a legal term, it's just a category. So anyone who enforces the law for the government can be labeled police without it being deceitful nor illegal. Not saying ICE is any good, but ACAB.
there is about 190 countries in the world where only the "real" Police can use the word "Police" on their gear. Everyone else uses their own. Like "Coastguard" or "Borderpatrol" or "Customs" or... "ICE".
Ok, still doesn't mean it is illegal to use it in the US. Also, another reason the US tends to simplified labels is because of the variety of languages in the US. There is no official language, so when you interact with the public, gov agents tend to simplify. This is especially true in high tempo environments. You don't want civilians to try and figure out what you are in a chase/raid, so you slap a simple "police" on your gear and run with it. I still think they should be in uniform for this.
Hey! Look at the slavery! Before only colored were slaves. Then they came up with this banking & labor idea, that put everyone in servitude ie slavery. Greatest idea in slavery markets. Free slaves for the banks and corpos, final nail to perfection was the credit score. No more forcing minorities when you can force everyone. Now, this ICE issue is going to that direction too. It doesn't take long, when they start snatching everyone. This is why I think this is designed, long ago.
Indeed, policing in the US needs massive reform, but abolishing ICE and salting the earth so nothing like it can be rebuilt is part of that and urgently needed.
We didn't have ICE until 2003 with the formation of the Department of Homeland Security, something so many of us at the time noted as a weirdly unAmerican thing that seemed so dystopian.
You want good ones in there and promoted. Bad ones should have action taken against them even including review for prosecution in blatant cases ( e.g. Renee G, Alex P)
Except that is in America. The American people would rather keep the phones out to film for those sweet, sweet internet points. See someone being unjustifiably beaten in the street? FILM IT. Don't help, that will reduce the time the person is being beaten and reduce your total internet point haul. Not enough of you are willing to stand up, but ALL of you are willing to try to farm hero points by taping the issues u see. You fucking SEE the issues but DO NOT DO SHIT ABOUT IT. Shame on you.
Like... I want them to be afraid... I WANT someone to come out and fucking say that if they are elected that the entire ICE force top to bottom will go to JAIL, no fuck that Guantanimo Bay for Domestic Terrorism for no less than 20 years... But letting them KNOW there's no escaping punishment if Fascism goes away is going to make them much more eager to fight and kill to keep it...
There is a list of all known active and inactive ice personnel. Both agents and pencil pushers. I hope this information is comforting to some and haunting to others.
Indeed. We, and all the other G20 countries, would be well and truly screwed if there were literally zero border enforcement. Just needs to be subject to humane oversight and reasonable practices
I was honestly wondering about this the other day. Would infiltrating a fascist organization to try and fuck it up as much as possible from the inside be a good choice. Would being considered absolute scum by the kind of people I find common cause with be worth it? Are there possibly people doing that rn? What if the opportunity doesnt come, Ice gets fucked like it should and now thats just a stain on y our history?
As former KGB, CIA and Mossad infiltrators have shown, they tend to turn to the side of the infiltrated. It is a big mess for the individual. And if you do succeed, it will still haunt you and mess your head. It is not a good way. It is only good way, as jews did fir nazis, forced, they sabotaged everything they could.
Alektrauniccountermeasures
So, they have given up even pretending to wear uniforms and just toss a vest over the t-shirt, jeans, and sneakers? The "police" name plates are not even consistent. These are just law enforcement cosplayers
suiseiseki
Fuck ICE.
jalcantara88127001
Every single agent needs to be charged and publicly shamed
CerisCinderwolf
You mispelled "arrested, tried, imprisoned, and/or hanged."
I gotchu.
xj4low
The sad part is, they will take him to a holding center where he will spend 3 days. Once they confirm that he is a US citizen, they will drop him off in the next town over in an empty parking lot with one shoe and not even give him his ID, phone, or wallet back.
backrideup9
Yeah, because that happens alot. They certainly won't just ship his ass off to El Salvador and need SCOTUS to force them to bring him back.
MrFancyPanzer
They don't care, they have quotas to fill
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Not many wearing masks anymore? Interesting.
chrispisme
Holy fuuuuuck you got some issues there America
SomeFukinWizard
Y'all better hope we overcome this shit too. Cause the far right in your country is watching too. Fascism is back in fashion, and I'm afraid if we fall here, there wont be much left to stand up to it. Dont ever start thinking "Well that cant happen here" because before 2015 I thought the exact same thing.
The701
Hell, an unsettling number of people in the US *STILL* think it can't happen here.
Daishudo
Eliminate ICE.
michaelfire
Straight up arm around throat stranglehold-deadly force on non-violent suspect on which ICE has no jurisdiction. "Strangleholds and chokeholds are generally prohibited or heavily restricted by law enforcement agencies throughout the United States. While there is no singular, sweeping federal criminal statute that outlaws them, a combination of federal agency bans, state laws, and local department policies have made their routine use illegal or categorized them strictly as deadly force" 1 torture
michaelfire
Please see my report on torture in ICE for-profit detention, mass incarceration-/gallery/torture-ice-private-detention-centers-bSU3TeW my first-hand report on torture of detainees help me spread the word/let people know www.worldconsul.com">isruptio">the word/let people know www.worldconsul.com. Also Blacks, Dems, the Left, Progressives targeted for "disruption" Ops. https://imgur.com/gallery/mlk-day-is-also-about-truth-reconciliation-about-us-government-abuse-of-power-WTViMK2 http://www.tni.org/en/article/waging-counterinsurgency 2
duffman3335
I suspect that their only true objective is to foment outrage in order to incite protests which will immediately and categorically be deemed violent so that Trump can yry to delay or cancel the midterms.
quade
Indict, Convict, Execute. "Just following orders" is something nazis say. Fuck ICE.
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Itry2dostuff
The I see no need for steps 1 & 2 are the most essential. What is important is to not show mercy
cousteau
Agree; the fact that they've been judge, jury and executioner to so many people doesn't make it "fair" to treat them the same way; that's not how justice works. If criminals deserve no justice, how do you determine they're actually criminals?
cousteau
(this is how the entire US Justice system seems to work btw, but as I said that doesn't mean it's right)
Itry2dostuff
Correct! We should bring them to justice and not show mercy, even if that verdict is executed
wargames
and border patrol
quade
ICE is border control; so, yes.
wargames
both are DHS, and BOTH have been killing americans for a while. But ice was created after border patrol in 2003.
Telemapus
They are all so desperate to be involved in the "takedown". Five dudes acting like they are sure this one, compliant, non-struggling dude is about to bolt, so they're FIGHTING to KEEP HIM UNDER CONTROL. Guy is just standing there. And then just lying there... 😢
ChetinBey
Why’s it always take 4-5 officers to manhandle one guy? Pathetic loser boys.
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
thought the same. fucking cowards
SergeyPrkl
group pressure. Everyone gets involved, so if they get caught in worse things, no one is innocent.
freshthrowaway1138
Not defending ICE, but if your job is to control an adult man then you want as much help as possible to reduce your risk levels. Not sure if you understand how dangerous humans are, but anyone who wants to go home each night will absolutely try to have as many bodies as possible to take down anyone. 1v1 is stupid. 5v1 makes sense. Still ACAB but it makes sense.
ChetinBey
True. I hear you. But it sure makes them look like cowards.
freshthrowaway1138
Only to morons who think that honorable fighting is real. Some folks live in a fantasy and think that overwhelming force is cowardly. Or bombing unarmed soldiers is cowardly. Or drone pilots are cowards. Or shooting someone with a knife is cowardly. They watch movies and are stupid. The only right way to fight is to ensure that you win and don't get hurt. Using 6 or more people to restrain someone is smart because your side is going to be safe and will win. All other guidelines are nonsense.
Agatsu74
Everyone wants a piece. Hurting to helpless people makes their tiny peepees hard.
Agatsu74
It always amazes me to see non-white ICE agents. You dumb shits don't think you're next? You think your "colleagues" won't treat you exactly like this as soon as they're told/allowed to?
Nanoline
It's called "pick-me's", and it's very much a thing. It *never* works out for any of the pick-me's in the long run, but that doesn't stop them from trying anyways.
SergeyPrkl
and it works for them longer...
kojenk
They have a 2000 per day arrest quota with severe consequences if they dont keep up. They're going to grab anyone and everyone they can get away with, dead or alive.
chackstar
Look at that. Aunt and Uncle Tom. Must be pretty hard up.
TheJomsborgViking
Seems to me, this is the 30 to 50 feral hogs people claimed they needed assault rifles for.
SergeyPrkl
29% of democrat voting men have guns vs 45% of republicans. The diference is not vast as they want you to think. The problem is in the willingness to use them against people. that is their best tool. They know it very well and uses it for their advance. This needs to be changed. I am against violence in general, but I am not against it when the situation is getting out of hand by evil people. They don't deserve to live.
cousteau
The tolerance paradox.
SergeyPrkl
Yea i forgot the name of it.
krylani
Those people are the ones in uniform.
AttemptedCleverity
Tap tap tap tap, right at the back of the head. No clemency for brown shirts.
ItsACrazyWorld
Its not going to stop and its only going to get worse. Everyone thought that it would end when Renee Good was killed. It has only escalated. None of us are willing to fight. The people of this country are all apathetic losers. The country dies in November. Good job to everyone involved. Fucking assholes.
TripleDane
ICE do not care if you are a citizen or not. only whatever they deem your skin color good enough for the country
eion85
We claw back every bonus paid to these fascist terrorists, ban them from any public job for the rest of their lives, and prosecute every single one who has committed a crime, and every one who covered up those crimes. Anyone convicted should lose the right to vote for 15 years.
JohnSmithterms
Lol good luck doing that when 40 million americans look at this and laugh. Delusional about your country mate. America is cooked. The rich win.
genepoolboy
As they cover their faces, it is hard to see who has committed a crime. Just handle them as a group. If you were ICE, you were a part of domestic terrorism organization and go to jail.
cousteau
Problem is, you can't declare something illegal retroactively. Guess you could demand to know identities of perpetrators and make all of them "murder suspects" until proven otherwise though.
cousteau
I wonder if there should be a limit for that. Like maybe someone joined ICE before they started murdering people, then went "nope" and got the fuck outta there because principles. Maybe those may deserve some mercy.
(100% agree on the prosecution part though. If the US ever gets a sane government again(?), they totally should set up some sort of fast track for that process to help the victims.)
ZackWester
From what I heard no Bonus have been paid out as the Bonus is only paid out after 2-4 year or what it was.
cousteau
What I heard is that it's paid as a fractioned payment yearly, but with the possibility to take the whole thing back (even what's already been paid) if they don't stay for the whole time.
NauseousPanda
Is there a public record of ICE employees? Can't they just leave out ICE in their CVs to avoid the ban?
eion85
Basic employment records within the Federal Government for non& sensitive employees are generally a matter of public record and discoverable by FOIA requests. Historically the Federal Government has also voluntarily maintained a public facing database of general employment history info as a matter of good government.
That best practice can be codified in law by Congress. And I think in general law enforcement shouldn't be exempted from such a database.
cousteau
Not public AFAIK, but unofficial "ICE lists" are thing.
If the US ever gets a sane government after this, I hope they do disclose those lists though.
eion85
You're correct that most employment background checks are about verifying information an applicant has provided, not discovering things they have chosen not to share.
Of course, employers in general don't like to see CV gaps.
ThisIsMyUsernameThereAreManyLikeIt
And always they are so incompetent, on top of their maliciousness. There's five of them and they can barely restrain one man. Shitheels and traitors. Cowards and weaklines.
GodHelpMeToBeGood
snowflake patrol
fastjeff
I swear to fucking god if you guys let any of these fucking skate on charges after this bullshit era is over you were the problem not them. Pisses me off to see this shit.
teamsloth
Stop saying what's wrong with ICE? Start saying what's wrong with the American people to not arm themselves and organize against this? You are not angry enough.
mephiston
or desperate enough.
Terran81
Seeing black ICE agents doing this is wild
TheDiscoVampire
They think the leopards won't eat their face.
Filanwizard
My taxes are paying for all that bacon that would not be needed if any of them had two braincells.
bbrtki
School and police reject with nothing to lose, with no rules and regulations, let loose on a country by a wannabe dictator - to find anyone with a skin color he doesn't like (mexican, cuban, etc). Its basically the gestapo / SS,. and not a very high quality at that.
Get them off the streets. Boycott their lodgings and food,. do not give them anything.
quade
ICE agents wearing "Police" on their vests is perfidy, and is illegal.
RagtimeBetty
Im not laws and legalities still exist in your country :(
Kerbal247
So is executing people in the streets, and yet they continue...
BeaverOnFire
Obviously it's not a crime. If it was a crime they would be arrested and prosecuted appropriately. /S
LordHosk
Unfortunately its legal for them to do.
It intentionally causes confusion and chaos, it escalates tensions on the street... But Technically legal.
Its causing more problems and making people think they are dealing with actual police not ice... but Technically legal.
GrandFubar
Unfortunately, they are "law enforcement officers" and allowed to wear "Police" on their vests and gear.
Lethous
I feel like them in street clothes with a vest and mere police Velcro is insufficiently showing their identity imo.
GrandFubar
Yup. they should be properly uniformed.
SergeyPrkl
But they are, you can spot them from a mile away. just fire at them with longrange rifles.
GrandFubar
I wonder how they'll scatter when engaged from long distance. When they can't hit the person to the ground and execute them. Will they scatter? Will they try to find cover and control the situation? Will they start vaguely shooting in whatever direction they think the shots came from? Maybe they'll just start crying.
khora
Perhaps it means "Politicized ICE"
freshthrowaway1138
Police isn't a legal term, it's just a category. So anyone who enforces the law for the government can be labeled police without it being deceitful nor illegal. Not saying ICE is any good, but ACAB.
cousteau
How much can that definition be stretched? Can random people legally wear "Police" identification under some technicality?
freshthrowaway1138
Are they random people that are employed by the government to enforce laws and represent the government in court? If so then yeah.
SergeyPrkl
there is about 190 countries in the world where only the "real" Police can use the word "Police" on their gear. Everyone else uses their own. Like "Coastguard" or "Borderpatrol" or "Customs" or... "ICE".
freshthrowaway1138
Ok, still doesn't mean it is illegal to use it in the US. Also, another reason the US tends to simplified labels is because of the variety of languages in the US. There is no official language, so when you interact with the public, gov agents tend to simplify. This is especially true in high tempo environments. You don't want civilians to try and figure out what you are in a chase/raid, so you slap a simple "police" on your gear and run with it. I still think they should be in uniform for this.
eion85
It's not like police in the US have a history of unjustified force and discrimination against minorities or anything right?
SergeyPrkl
Hey! Look at the slavery! Before only colored were slaves. Then they came up with this banking & labor idea, that put everyone in servitude ie slavery. Greatest idea in slavery markets. Free slaves for the banks and corpos, final nail to perfection was the credit score. No more forcing minorities when you can force everyone. Now, this ICE issue is going to that direction too. It doesn't take long, when they start snatching everyone. This is why I think this is designed, long ago.
quade
Yeah, ACAB. But hear me out here: imagine nazis trying to cosplay as ACAB in order to not be labeled nazis.
eion85
Okay, but have you considered: there are already plenty of Nazis who are also cops. Who become cops BECAUSE they are Nazis.
https://www.plainviewproject.org/
quade
Basically, nazis and bastards all the way down :(
eion85
Indeed, policing in the US needs massive reform, but abolishing ICE and salting the earth so nothing like it can be rebuilt is part of that and urgently needed.
We didn't have ICE until 2003 with the formation of the Department of Homeland Security, something so many of us at the time noted as a weirdly unAmerican thing that seemed so dystopian.
FoxxoniusAugustus
ICE needs to be obliterated. No one who has ever worked for that agency should never be allowed to take a free breath ever again.
nolzvader
Wrong, but I understand the anger.
nolzvader
You want good ones in there and promoted. Bad ones should have action taken against them even including review for prosecution in blatant cases ( e.g. Renee G, Alex P)
suiseiseki
100%
mxb5tstj2v10
Cameraman is doing the wrong kind of shooting
TsubakiTragic
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AtmaDarkwolf
Except that is in America. The American people would rather keep the phones out to film for those sweet, sweet internet points. See someone being unjustifiably beaten in the street? FILM IT. Don't help, that will reduce the time the person is being beaten and reduce your total internet point haul. Not enough of you are willing to stand up, but ALL of you are willing to try to farm hero points by taping the issues u see. You fucking SEE the issues but DO NOT DO SHIT ABOUT IT. Shame on you.
ElChupaNuggra
Like... I want them to be afraid... I WANT someone to come out and fucking say that if they are elected that the entire ICE force top to bottom will go to JAIL, no fuck that Guantanimo Bay for Domestic Terrorism for no less than 20 years... But letting them KNOW there's no escaping punishment if Fascism goes away is going to make them much more eager to fight and kill to keep it...
nolzvader
Do you think open borders are a good idea?
a1b3117
We need mass executions of ICE agents. Thousands a day. For so long that it doesn't even become news
livingonagiantfireball
And howbdobyou think that will happen? People are not killing them, you think the current governement will just remove them?
Rogerwilco1974
Gonna need a lot of new prisons and prison guards to make that happen, my friend....
magus200342
"...take a breath..." fixed that for your
Robtheshaman
There is a list of all known active and inactive ice personnel. Both agents and pencil pushers. I hope this information is comforting to some and haunting to others.
Nukls
there leave large paper trails
harmsebamse
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1d3g1YmZzdmlxdWphZGxoYW85Y2o0ZzdwcGhuYXIxemtqYjRwZnA3YyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/uNgUzhakqXkyI/200w.webp
nolzvader
Indeed. We, and all the other G20 countries, would be well and truly screwed if there were literally zero border enforcement. Just needs to be subject to humane oversight and reasonable practices
FoxxoniusAugustus
FFS Stop getting your philosophy from entertainers.
vonHoopla
That line is actually showing the hypocrisy of such statements bcos it itself is an absolute lol
harmsebamse
Thats the point.
"No one who has ever worked for that agency should never be allowed to take a free breath ever again."
Do not investigate. Just act on one single fact.
How is that better than the current?
ilhares
What if I become a pencil pusher there just to leak information?
JaimeLannistersRightHand
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZjRobXZndmc5cHNwb3M3cTA1bGpuaDdxM3c2MGVqYXlyNWcyOHVwMyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/MM0Jrc8BHKx3y/200w.webp
BHPaperstacks
I was honestly wondering about this the other day. Would infiltrating a fascist organization to try and fuck it up as much as possible from the inside be a good choice. Would being considered absolute scum by the kind of people I find common cause with be worth it? Are there possibly people doing that rn? What if the opportunity doesnt come, Ice gets fucked like it should and now thats just a stain on y our history?
SergeyPrkl
As former KGB, CIA and Mossad infiltrators have shown, they tend to turn to the side of the infiltrated. It is a big mess for the individual. And if you do succeed, it will still haunt you and mess your head. It is not a good way. It is only good way, as jews did fir nazis, forced, they sabotaged everything they could.
DMSledge
You know how there are no good cops. You never hear about good ICE agents either. I worry about no one ever talking about having left ICE.