I was scared to start college because I didn't think I learned anything while homeschooling. I never took anything beyond Algebra 1, no advanced Lit, no science. 15 yrs later, working on my 2nd degree with a 3.98 GPA. Homeschooling ain't all bad, apparently.
99th percentile can be a double-edged sword. Kudos on successful homeschooling, but your child is also “gifted”. Make sure to keep them challenged. Experiencing high school with success that requires barely any effort can make college an incredibly tough transition (same for moving into “the real world” with a profession).
Because she doesn't have to deal with being bullied, teased, ogled, slut-, lunch-debt-, or fasion-shamed, outright assaulted, subjected to zero-tolerance victim-blaming, hallway bell stress, locker break-ins, the horror of gym class... and try to learn something on top of / in spite of all that. As long as you're not a christofascist fanatic, I'm fine with home-schooling. God, I love this character limit!
Everyone's an individual, but the kids I met in college/grad school who were homeschooled were friendly but bad at social cues, group works and also just...didn't understand the pecking order and the fact that following rules equals good grades. It drove me crazy. They'd fight about grades, refuse to do assignments [or disobey instructions], and then feel betrayed when that strategy didn't work out for them. They just didn't know how to handle authority that wasn't a parent.
One girl in particular would try to renegotiate every assignment into something she felt was more fun or beneficial to her learning. It wasn't a matter of disability; she just was used to a system in which she had control over the assignments she did. This did not mesh well with workplace or traditional school settings. She had trouble in part time jobs and ended up failing some classes because she wouldn't "give in". It was hard to see.
Twenty years ago, home schooling was stereotypically the primary domain of crusty hippies, religious nut jobs, or cult members. With the current education system? It's just plain good sense. Good on you! Ignore the posts here that are basically demanding a full school report on a meme! P.S. How is their origami? Can they make a swan?
Hired a home schooled is at our bakery. Smart as hell but was missing random knowledge. Like any sort of art or color theory. She had no idea that red and yellow make orange or the order of the colors of the rainbow Kinda need that for cake decoratoring.
Two of my sisters homeschooled their kids. They are successful, socially adept, somewhat liberal, real good people. And they were comfortable speaking to adults from a very early age.
That’s awesome! How do you get your child to read? Mine’s 6 and reading feels like a constant chore, he loves it if I read, but if he only reads it’s all whining. I know he feels self conscious but I’m so encouraging. I remember loving to read, but screens are so pervasive.
We used comics. Any reading is good. Also let him private read. If he feel self conscious, pushing that uncomfortableness on him will make him adverse to the activity. So take him to pick out fun reads and let him do his thing.
All these scary comments about home school kids sounding like friendless, socially awkward hermits are just so stupid. Home school kids have plenty of opportunities to socialize and make friends. I haven't met one home schooled child who was socially awkward in any way, They, in fact, had better manners and respect that normal school kids, and had more self-confidence. So ignore all the idiot comments making home schooling sound like it's a bad thing for the kids, because it's not.
If we stack up enough people's experience will it work? As a homeschooled kid I know some who are socially isolated (me included) and some who are way, _way_ more social (like my sister, who was a RA and successful student politician in uni).
I teach high school and every home schooled student that eventually enrolls in high school can’t relate to students their age. They just want to talk to teachers all day, kind of awkward.
A lot of negative comments about the impact to social skills. Do you have him doing any group activities where he can socialize / make friends? Clubs, sports, etc.?
Hopefully you also plan for time to allow your kids to socialize with other kids. Academics in school is obviously very important, but another important aspect of schooling is learning to be sociable.
Geezo i thought homeschool kids were weird too, but yall need to lay off OP here. Thier doing a good job at being a parent and caring about their kids' education. So relax. Its more responsable now days than sending your kid to school to get shot.
Both my partner and grew up conservative, religious, and brainwashed. Young earth creationists, rejecting anyone and anything contrary to our views. Textbooks with facts scribbled out and religious fiction scribbled in. If it weren't for going to a college out of state, I wouldn't have come into contact with the real world. Now we have completely cut out our conservative, hateful families. So...yeah, not really thrilled with homeschooling in general; the capacity for harm is great.
As a homeschooled kid, I think it's a matter of making the extremes more extreme. Some of the homeschoolers I know are doctors and tradies; some are unemployed or on minimum wage. Some have rejected their parents' conservatism, some haven't, some were raised atheist.
I completely agree however we dont know OPs story here. I mean if they frequent and even post on imgur i doubt they belong to the same genre of religous zealotry youve endured. Even if they were, no amount rude opposition would make them change their mind. Im just saying it must suck to be so proud of your kid you brag a little and then the internet slaps you in the face with unfounded hate must be aweful.
I looked it up, common convention is percentile is breaking group into 100 bins. 1st bin (1st percentile) is lowest performance. 100th is the highest. So 99th is between 98% and 99%
99th percentile is top rating. Not sure it goes any higher. I was 99th for verbal comprehension (I can understand almost anything said; Shakespeare and Legalese are ezpz for me) but it basically means in a room full of 100 people, on average a 99th percentile would be in the top 1% for those categories. So, in math and reading, the child listed above is in the top 1% or smarter than the other 99 people in the room in those categories.
the limitations of social skills aren't limited to homeschoolers - they are just an easy target - I work with at-risk-youth -- homeschoolers as a percentage are ridiculously high scoring...
I feel like home schooled kids should be subject to the same standardized testing as regular school kids just as a matter of course. You shouldn't have to pay for it.
Maybe it was something more like AP testing rather than standardized? I had to pay to take those in school, for who knows why, considering it was needed for the class...
In most cases I believe you are. In my state at least, we either had to do a portfolio review with a licensed reviewer/registered teacher, or take the SAT's at the end of the year like all the other kids in our grades. SAT's the state provided, the portfolio review had to paid for out of pocket.
Depending on the state but you do. Here you have to test for 5th grade equivalency to move to 6th grade. Testing 8th grade to move to a highschool level. And a high school equivalency test to consider being completed. and a GED if you want that completion to be recognized in any state for collage admission. There are standard ages for testing and if your child need or wants to test earlier then age required you have to apply for special testing done in a supervised setting by a state educator.
Glad to hear good academics. However, school should also be a time to learn about failure and how to deal with it. To build resistance to feeling let down. To find your own fortitude and constitution. Good grades are one thing, life learning is another.
School these days is also about learning how to deal with school shooters and Creationists, bullying, lack of critical thinking, banned books and politics. Smart kids don’t stand a chance.
Is that around? Fucking sucks to say it is...you are right. At the same time shielding your child from learning how to navigate socialization while learning the formentioned....it's like saying you won't drive a car due to an accident. I'm not denying that it exists, but I would error to say your comparison is folly
This. Grades arent everything in a work environment. The ability to work together with other people and having social skills is equally as important. My professor told me this and it really opened my mind. In my line of work as an engineer they see if you fit into the team first and then look at qualifications afterwards when they've narrowed it down to the few people left after the interviews for a position.
Yes; I am one. I was also 98th/99th percentile on tests in both math and language throughout my K-12 public school years, in a not-wealthy area. Alot of amazingly great teachers, a couple that were average. I was read to by my parent starting at a young age before kindergarten too, which of course helped. My socialization is okay-- not great, but not terrible.
Hopefully reading books, and taking in multiple sources of history and applying common fucking sense. I have only met 2 history professors who have an open ideology when it comes to capturing an accurate surmise of a historical event.
It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire.
During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet
It’s fake points. I don’t care. Some people get too butthurt too easily. Truth is though, there really aren’t a lot of jobs for history majors. It sucks, and friends I have end up not working in their field having to do awful jobs to make ends meet. But that doesn’t matter, my joke hurt too many butts.
That was me. I spent my 9th - 12th in homeschool. When I started college I was a wreck of anxiety and depression. I didn't know how to talk to people and spent some time in tears because of it.
My ex's daughter insisted on homeschooling in high school after she was raped by a classmate. My former bestie did it because she moved here from South Africa and English wasn't her first language. I think people do it for different reasons and the only home-schooled kids I knew that were "weird" growing up were a)ultra-religious or b)naturally shy/sensitive and may not have benefited from being mercilessly bullied.
I have met a couple of home schooled kids who had great social skills. Another that had alright. All three were definitely better than me at 16. It has a lot to do with how it is handled.
I went to school and had awful social skills because I never socialized with kids outside of school. If you want your kids to have social skills, they have to spend time with peers outside of school too.
My ex-gf was homeschooled, as were her older brothers, but their hippie parents made sure they were involved in a lot of after school activities. She has way better social skills than I do.
This can also happen if the school is too small. When your class is only 30 kids you don't get a whole lot of opportunity to properly socialize with 'new' people.
Regular schoolkids grow up around kids and learn to act like kids. Homeschool kids grow up around adults and learn to act like adults. Trouble is, some of them think the Earth is only 10,000 years old.
In USA, most parents are just glad their kids are still alive by the end of a school day. Social skill is a small price to pay for keeping them safe at home. Beside, Americans can always use guns to resolve any issue.
Their are lots of cities or places that embrace homeschooling and cater to homeschooling parents. I don’t homeschool, but there are lots of people in Austin that do. They even have schools for people who homeschool so they can participate in sports and other regular school activities.
A friend of mine was put into a lot of theater/drama extracurriculars at the community center to help with this when she was homeschooled. Not sure if it helped or if she's just a good actress. Lol
easily fixed in todays home school environment and city of even a moderate size (like 40k or more has home school co-ops where you pool knowledge for teaching, resources, and have kids get together regularly for social skills including field trips, music, sports and theater stuff. There is not really any negatives for homeschooling now other than it requires more involvement by parents. And on avg they score significantly higher on all testing than their public schooled peers
Every homeschooled kid I've met had socialization issues. I was part of an informal group in college to help socialize them and lemme tell you, I'm no paragon at socializing. But because I struggled so much I could break down socializing rules, and I didn't hold awkwardness against people. Please never homeschool unless 1) serious unaddressed bullying or 2) medical reasons.
I was homeschooled until US highschool and had plenty of social interaction as a kid. You don't need to be shut inside your house for 5 to 7 hours every day to be homeschooled, you can still exist in a community.
It’s so interesting to hear these replies! I totally get how skills could be lacking due to homeschooling, but we never had a problem. We were treated like adults and could hold conversations well, even with our peers. We also attended a homeschool co op and did lots of sports, so that probably helped too.
They'll never socialize properly if they dont have the shared experience of hiding under a desk with their friends so they dont get gunned down during 3rd period.
Dude, shut up. Pretty sure not being exposed to the possibility of bullying or catching a bullet is a good thing. Home school kids aren't hermits and have plenty of opportunities to go out and interact in the world and make friends. So P*** off with your bs comment.
Sometimes the reason the kid was homeschooled to begin with is that they were picked on so mercilessly for being awkward in school that their parents pulled them out to keep them safe.
I went to public school the entire time, but my folks refused to let me hang out with kids, join sports, or have "a girlfriend". The only way I learned how to speak to people was by working at Denny's as a waiter, so - I can't interface deeply with people, but my small talk game is clutch.
Research suggests that homeschooled kids are fine/equally as good socially. The biggest problem is that parents of homeschool kids pass on more strict belief systems that hinder long-term creativity. eg. Homeschool Mormons won’t believe anything that’s not in the book of Mormon.
that seems to be more of a parenting issue than a strictly home school issue in current times. There's plenty of ways to properly socialize outside of school
This. Very this. I was a socialized homeschooler until i started college at 16. My father did the teaching and my mother ensured i always had social extracurriculars (local theater, martial arts, book club, sports, summer camp, beauty school, etc) and if she couldn't find any clubs for my age group she started one. There are even fairs and dances for homeschool kids in some areas. It's a good deal of HARD parental work, but its a thing of beauty when someone has the time and energy to devote.
100% this. We homeschooled our kids after elementary school after my oldest was mercilessly bullied in middle school (they went to small elementary school where everyone got along). They were hardly isolated. If anything it gave us more time to do things outside of what would have been normal classroom hours like volunteer work, music lessons, outdoor activities and the homeschool community does a lot of group activities and group teaching to keep kids social.
My youngest was able to start college early because she wasn't tied into a traditional high school and is getting her BS in Biology at 19, starting at PhD program in the fall.
I wasn’t home schooled, and let me tell you… social hints sucks. Just tell me how you feel. Want me to fuck off? Tell me; want to get away, tell me. I’m so tired of misreading everything from people who only send social queues that it makes me want to not deal with people and wish for another wave of Covid. Am I on the spectrum? Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe go fuck yourselves. Doesn’t matter; just tell me what you feel instead of forcing me to guess
Not getting social cues is a pretty common autistic trait honestly. You may just be neurodivergent though. That doesn't always quantify someone as autistic.
I was a homeschooled kid for a few years, I still can't talk to people well, and am basically asocial because I have almost no social skills. And I'm almost 30 now
Try watching some YouTube videos for social niceties, conversation starters/connectors and maybe read books like How to Win Friends and Influence People. Might help! It feels so much better sometimes to connect and having a script can help ease anxiety until you get the hang of it.
I'm that way too, but I went to school. It's almost as if some people are not social and that schooling can be traumatic whether done at home or at a tradition brick and mortar school
I think that in US the choice is now between safe, smart but socially inept child that was homeschooled, or stupid probably dead and for sure bullied child that went to school.
Hi! Serious question: I thought Asperger’s was a type of autism? I thought there were many different types on the spectrum. I would like to be more aware on this subject; I just don’t want to say wrong thing & seem ignorant. Thanks in advance for sharing your personal knowledge. I appreciate it!
I can only speak about Australia, but here we use the DSM V categories for ASD. There are 3 levels, level 1, level 2, level 3. Level 1 is high functioning (Asperger’s), level 2 needs significant support, and level 3 is more severe. Level 3 ASD is typically where you would see people who are non-verbal. Hope this helps!
Asperger's has been depreciated, and is now just part of the autism spectrum. The issue is most people associate autism with people like Chris Chan, or nonresponsives, which is at the extreme end, and a result of poor resources for parents of neurodivergents.
It's not really depreciated. It's got a dark history around Nazi's. It's really not a great term, and I don't believe it's considered part of the spectrum anymore. Not that those people previously 'labeled' are not on the spectrum, but aspergers is not the term anymore.
I was homeschooled through 8th, and lemme tell ya, I struggled with socializing into my mid-20's. It took a fuckton of determination and a weird-ass (but apparently effective) plan to bring myself up to speed with my peers, but honestly? Even now in my 30's I still find there are things I never really got a handle on
I read somewhere that homeschool kids fidget less, like if you had 2 people waiting in a queue you'd be able to pick out the home school kid cause they're standing more still. Also they miss alot of non verbal communication cause they weren't immersed in communication with peers while there brains were completing it's formation. Like if you nod your head to say 'sup , they'd respond weird
Of course! At its most basic, I threw myself into acting classes in college to force myself into a public space, work through my fear/discomfort, and train conversational and interpersonal skills in a semi-controlled setting. It's definitely not for everyone, but I went from fumbling and cold-sweating my way through every conversation to being a rather adept socialite...if what my friends tell me is true!
I was homeschooled through 7th! How do you do, fellow students? It was a rocky entry and high school was never fun, but i was good at school and found my social stride in college. I think the whole prison model for public school is wrong for humans. My wife wants to try to shield our kids from the harsh aspects of the world for as long as possible, but I suspect that’s not long once they start school, and we both have to work.
And then there's me, who went to public school but NEVER became good at socializing, only to eventually be diagnosed as autistic lol. Sorry, I didn't have a finish out for that thought, in person this would be the point where I stare blankly at you for a while.
Well at least you know why! And you seem comfortable enough in your own skin to see the comedy in it, so maybe you're doing better than you think. Just don't stare too hard, people are oddly still afraid of potential eye lasers
t even notice my autism stuff. Mostly. Except when I talk myself into a topic and literally can't stop while noticing the social cues. It's crazy, like watching yourself driving a train into a wall while being fully aware.
I have news for you. I went to public school and I have almost exactly the same experience as you. I've learned that MOST people aren't WORTH socializing with. Luckily I learned it before I killed myself due to the treatment I got from other students and teachers, and I wasn't gay or trans or black, just smart. Lots of people have it worse. Don't let your worth depend on the opinions of others. If I had been home schooled I probably would like people a lot more today.
Well I'm glad you stuck it out; lots of people can be cruel, intentionally or not, and I hope that despite that you found a friendly little corner of the world to call your own
At its most basic, I threw myself into acting classes in college to force myself into a public space, work through my fear/discomfort, and train conversational and interpersonal skills inna semi-controlled setring. It's definitely not for everyone, but I went from fumbling and cold-sweating my way through every conversation to being a rather adept socialite...if what my friends tell me is true!
I actually did something similar - I'm a recently diagnosed adult and dealt with my social issues by becoming a circus performer. Working as a juggler, stilt walker and fire eater/ breather got me meeting and talking to a LOT of interesting and unusual people so I brushed up on my social skills pretty quick!
xKagonu
I was scared to start college because I didn't think I learned anything while homeschooling. I never took anything beyond Algebra 1, no advanced Lit, no science. 15 yrs later, working on my 2nd degree with a 3.98 GPA. Homeschooling ain't all bad, apparently.
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GreedyWildcard
99th percentile can be a double-edged sword. Kudos on successful homeschooling, but your child is also “gifted”. Make sure to keep them challenged. Experiencing high school with success that requires barely any effort can make college an incredibly tough transition (same for moving into “the real world” with a profession).
ComradeGreetingCard
My sisters and I were homeschooled and we are all fine socially. We were home schooled, not isolated. There is a big difference.
or0b0ur0s
Because she doesn't have to deal with being bullied, teased, ogled, slut-, lunch-debt-, or fasion-shamed, outright assaulted, subjected to zero-tolerance victim-blaming, hallway bell stress, locker break-ins, the horror of gym class... and try to learn something on top of / in spite of all that. As long as you're not a christofascist fanatic, I'm fine with home-schooling. God, I love this character limit!
rylytu
Nice!! I was homeschooled and everything has turned out great. Socializing was a challenge, but I figured it out in college. Great job!!
MeasuredByFive
Be proud but don't forget empathy, sympathy, understanding, kindness and respect for others.
licaek
Everyone's an individual, but the kids I met in college/grad school who were homeschooled were friendly but bad at social cues, group works and also just...didn't understand the pecking order and the fact that following rules equals good grades. It drove me crazy. They'd fight about grades, refuse to do assignments [or disobey instructions], and then feel betrayed when that strategy didn't work out for them. They just didn't know how to handle authority that wasn't a parent.
licaek
One girl in particular would try to renegotiate every assignment into something she felt was more fun or beneficial to her learning. It wasn't a matter of disability; she just was used to a system in which she had control over the assignments she did. This did not mesh well with workplace or traditional school settings. She had trouble in part time jobs and ended up failing some classes because she wouldn't "give in". It was hard to see.
MajjieStar
Twenty years ago, home schooling was stereotypically the primary domain of crusty hippies, religious nut jobs, or cult members. With the current education system? It's just plain good sense. Good on you! Ignore the posts here that are basically demanding a full school report on a meme! P.S. How is their origami? Can they make a swan?
ajhorselady84
Hired a home schooled is at our bakery. Smart as hell but was missing random knowledge. Like any sort of art or color theory. She had no idea that red and yellow make orange or the order of the colors of the rainbow Kinda need that for cake decoratoring.
BelicoseBravado
Isn't that kinda a low bar... 17th out of 20 developed countries?
Miller16of16
Two of my sisters homeschooled their kids. They are successful, socially adept, somewhat liberal, real good people. And they were comfortable speaking to adults from a very early age.
MsladyRiver
That’s awesome! How do you get your child to read? Mine’s 6 and reading feels like a constant chore, he loves it if I read, but if he only reads it’s all whining. I know he feels self conscious but I’m so encouraging. I remember loving to read, but screens are so pervasive.
Iresemblethatremark
If they interact more comfortably with screens than paper, then an app or digital reader might be an option?
UndrwearMustache
We used comics. Any reading is good. Also let him private read. If he feel self conscious, pushing that uncomfortableness on him will make him adverse to the activity. So take him to pick out fun reads and let him do his thing.
NothingPrince
Top 99% so many people missed your joke. Well done.
YeastInfectedWhiskerBiscuit
All these scary comments about home school kids sounding like friendless, socially awkward hermits are just so stupid. Home school kids have plenty of opportunities to socialize and make friends. I haven't met one home schooled child who was socially awkward in any way, They, in fact, had better manners and respect that normal school kids, and had more self-confidence. So ignore all the idiot comments making home schooling sound like it's a bad thing for the kids, because it's not.
BaklavaWearingBalaclavaWhilePlayingBalalaikaOnBlackLava
And I have met many who were. Your personal incredulity doesn't make your experiences representative of the wider reality.
Isikyus
If we stack up enough people's experience will it work? As a homeschooled kid I know some who are socially isolated (me included) and some who are way, _way_ more social (like my sister, who was a RA and successful student politician in uni).
eastend666
Good for you. Good for both of you.
mcsammymc
I teach high school and every home schooled student that eventually enrolls in high school can’t relate to students their age. They just want to talk to teachers all day, kind of awkward.
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My students learn plenty. I’m talking about home schooled kids have trouble making friends and relating to peers.
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WesleyMun
A lot of negative comments about the impact to social skills. Do you have him doing any group activities where he can socialize / make friends? Clubs, sports, etc.?
Soggybathroomsock
Nah, waste of time. Gotta finish Plato just one more time and do some integral and differential calculus before dinner.
LAMovieDesign
Hopefully you also plan for time to allow your kids to socialize with other kids. Academics in school is obviously very important, but another important aspect of schooling is learning to be sociable.
scandelaria
FUCK YEAH
thatlazylizard
Geezo i thought homeschool kids were weird too, but yall need to lay off OP here. Thier doing a good job at being a parent and caring about their kids' education. So relax. Its more responsable now days than sending your kid to school to get shot.
GeneralWho
Both my partner and grew up conservative, religious, and brainwashed. Young earth creationists, rejecting anyone and anything contrary to our views. Textbooks with facts scribbled out and religious fiction scribbled in. If it weren't for going to a college out of state, I wouldn't have come into contact with the real world. Now we have completely cut out our conservative, hateful families. So...yeah, not really thrilled with homeschooling in general; the capacity for harm is great.
Isikyus
As a homeschooled kid, I think it's a matter of making the extremes more extreme. Some of the homeschoolers I know are doctors and tradies; some are unemployed or on minimum wage. Some have rejected their parents' conservatism, some haven't, some were raised atheist.
thatlazylizard
I completely agree however we dont know OPs story here. I mean if they frequent and even post on imgur i doubt they belong to the same genre of religous zealotry youve endured. Even if they were, no amount rude opposition would make them change their mind. Im just saying it must suck to be so proud of your kid you brag a little and then the internet slaps you in the face with unfounded hate must be aweful.
LebistusReticulatis
I hope the top 99th?…
LompHoofd
heh +1
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RenaissanceFaireMan
In a room of 100 people, how many are smarter than the kid?
obie5778
That’s what I came here to find out, @op, please explain this 99th perc stat plz
mrskmdrake8
Am teacher, everyone loves good grades. Yup, they will happily pay for testing next year as well knowing whom to pay and in return yet good news.
Frederf
I looked it up, common convention is percentile is breaking group into 100 bins. 1st bin (1st percentile) is lowest performance. 100th is the highest. So 99th is between 98% and 99%
obie5778
Thank you, I never knew the direction of the numbers
oldmuck
When your child is 95th percentile for weight and 5th percentile for height, they fat and short
DamnThursdays
99th percentile is top rating. Not sure it goes any higher. I was 99th for verbal comprehension (I can understand almost anything said; Shakespeare and Legalese are ezpz for me) but it basically means in a room full of 100 people, on average a 99th percentile would be in the top 1% for those categories. So, in math and reading, the child listed above is in the top 1% or smarter than the other 99 people in the room in those categories.
ThatShiftyMonkey
It is 100-1, there is no 0. Source: my kid scored 99% in our state, 100% in our district, for math. At least, that's how it is in our state.
hoozyerdatty
the limitations of social skills aren't limited to homeschoolers - they are just an easy target - I work with at-risk-youth -- homeschoolers as a percentage are ridiculously high scoring...
hoozyerdatty
when it comes to hard numbers regarding standardized tests
hoozyerdatty
but fucked up teens and pre-teens come from public high schools and public junior high schools
Faasel524
Which nation?
fedeColorTerror
In my country homeschooling is not allowed (Italy)
RunawaySpoons
That's a good question. In England home education has to meet standards otherwise the kids legally have to go to school instead.
RunawaySpoons
(But in England we teach maths not math, so … )
Jimbo64
I always thought one math was enough for everyone.
CuddlyPervert
I feel like home schooled kids should be subject to the same standardized testing as regular school kids just as a matter of course. You shouldn't have to pay for it.
Kazzle
Maybe it was something more like AP testing rather than standardized? I had to pay to take those in school, for who knows why, considering it was needed for the class...
Kunitsu
In most cases I believe you are. In my state at least, we either had to do a portfolio review with a licensed reviewer/registered teacher, or take the SAT's at the end of the year like all the other kids in our grades. SAT's the state provided, the portfolio review had to paid for out of pocket.
UndrwearMustache
Depending on the state but you do. Here you have to test for 5th grade equivalency to move to 6th grade. Testing 8th grade to move to a highschool level. And a high school equivalency test to consider being completed. and a GED if you want that completion to be recognized in any state for collage admission. There are standard ages for testing and if your child need or wants to test earlier then age required you have to apply for special testing done in a supervised setting by a state educator.
FrozenCoast
Don’t they? We have gov’t exams in Canada for major subjects (not applied stuff like woodshop and other things like that).
Elrohn
Glad to hear good academics. However, school should also be a time to learn about failure and how to deal with it. To build resistance to feeling let down. To find your own fortitude and constitution. Good grades are one thing, life learning is another.
PreciousPotato
School these days is also about learning how to deal with school shooters and Creationists, bullying, lack of critical thinking, banned books and politics. Smart kids don’t stand a chance.
Elrohn
Is that around? Fucking sucks to say it is...you are right. At the same time shielding your child from learning how to navigate socialization while learning the formentioned....it's like saying you won't drive a car due to an accident. I'm not denying that it exists, but I would error to say your comparison is folly
Elrohn
Add...chance of an accident.
SnaccAttacc
Someone forgot the rest of the world exists lmao
dudehiemer
How about critical thinking? Because, that has largely been removed from USA's education system, and was once the focus of universities.
iChase79
Wat u talkin about? Fake News!!!
ferventailurophile
I'm teaching my students about CT now. Constitution first three quarters. They do no appreciate it right now.
Eli93
CT applied to the constitution is "it's actually an imperfect document and we should maybe change parts of it", right?
alrightalrightalrightpartyatthemoontower
Uni still has some ct. some hs classes too. It’s a crap shoot tho.
NortherWinslow5
Don't conflate red states with the education system. Blue states do an OK job.
KillingTlme
There is A LOT more to school than testing. It is necessary to create a well rounded adult.
Imadethisaccounttopost
Wish American politics would learn that.
TheFoodBaby
This. Grades arent everything in a work environment. The ability to work together with other people and having social skills is equally as important. My professor told me this and it really opened my mind. In my line of work as an engineer they see if you fit into the team first and then look at qualifications afterwards when they've narrowed it down to the few people left after the interviews for a position.
chromed
You think our public schools create well rounded adults???
PastureofMuppets
Yes; I am one. I was also 98th/99th percentile on tests in both math and language throughout my K-12 public school years, in a not-wealthy area. Alot of amazingly great teachers, a couple that were average. I was read to by my parent starting at a young age before kindergarten too, which of course helped. My socialization is okay-- not great, but not terrible.
FrozenCoast
Socialization does. That’s just a side effect of the schooling.
gryphoemia
i went to public school. i am not particularly well-rounded, and i think of socialization as something that happens to other people.
Cabreza
How’s she doing on history?
hesbeginningtobelieve
She watches ancient aliens, so she’s mainlining truth without all the propaganda.
mrbaca
It's ok, history is repeating itself so she just has to live through current times.
number2commenter
Don't know much about history.
MrRandom314159
The moon landing was a communist conspiracy to lull America into a false sense of superiority and pave the way for psychic super mice.
Elrohn
Hopefully reading books, and taking in multiple sources of history and applying common fucking sense. I have only met 2 history professors who have an open ideology when it comes to capturing an accurate surmise of a historical event.
distraingotnobrakes
AMercer
Or biology?
KillingTlme
She has learned all History the parents wanted her to know.
yourbassist
Same would be said for math and reading...
Pentjotal
It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.
During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
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destroy an entire planet
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Ah, yes…with all those jobs available in the history sector
Froggie243
Ah yes, because a well rounded knowledge of what happens when things are allowed to go to shit definitely isn't relevant today. No siree!
ElbowDeepInTheElbowDeepBandwagon
This has to be one of the most ignorant comments I've ever read. For a moment I thought I somwhow accidentally logged into Truth Social.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Holy shit! Wow, it was a fucking joke. Sometimes you folks are dense.
ElbowDeepInTheElbowDeepBandwagon
Then you probably should have made that clear and avoid this kind of situation in the future. A little /s goes a long way.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Probably. But whatever. It seemed obvious to me, but oh well.
Solkanarmy
not if they study their history they aren't
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
you ever read history? it's fascinating m8
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Yes. It was a fucking joke.
Cabreza
You may wish to include a “/s” in the future. Sarcasm translates poorly over the internet. Particularly in this day and age.
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
wow you fucked up m8 hahahaha
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
It’s fake points. I don’t care. Some people get too butthurt too easily. Truth is though, there really aren’t a lot of jobs for history majors. It sucks, and friends I have end up not working in their field having to do awful jobs to make ends meet. But that doesn’t matter, my joke hurt too many butts.
KinetoPlay
Ah yes, the bad comment that magically becomes a joke everyone missed as soon as people point out how bad it was. It's funny how often that happens.
ThatShiftyMonkey
Schrodingers joke
marbiter
That’s great. How are their social skills? I knew a few kids growing up that were homeschooled and their social skills were severely lacking.
CannotBeBanned
That child is 100% socially inept
littlehappyfeet
probably terrible, like mine were
mmolifer
That was me. I spent my 9th - 12th in homeschool. When I started college I was a wreck of anxiety and depression. I didn't know how to talk to people and spent some time in tears because of it.
Becker37
In all fairness you can go to public school and still have no social skills
immajinx
My ex's daughter insisted on homeschooling in high school after she was raped by a classmate. My former bestie did it because she moved here from South Africa and English wasn't her first language. I think people do it for different reasons and the only home-schooled kids I knew that were "weird" growing up were a)ultra-religious or b)naturally shy/sensitive and may not have benefited from being mercilessly bullied.
cattywumpus
Most of my HS friends are in co-ops with other families, so it's more of a very small school than just one family.
Saxytimes
I was just wondering why mote people don't do this. Share some of the burden. If there was a secular version I would be happy
atomfixes101
Heh..social skills are overrated.. like “oh I know that guy, better show him my teeth” :D
c2zvgsVillain
Thank you for saying it before I got a chance to
Isthe4thtimethecharm
I have met a couple of home schooled kids who had great social skills. Another that had alright. All three were definitely better than me at 16. It has a lot to do with how it is handled.
Neurisko
I went to school and had awful social skills because I never socialized with kids outside of school. If you want your kids to have social skills, they have to spend time with peers outside of school too.
Deathbetray
I wasn't homeschooled and I'm still socially incompetent.
eeps
My ex-gf was homeschooled, as were her older brothers, but their hippie parents made sure they were involved in a lot of after school activities. She has way better social skills than I do.
TakamiStitches
This can also happen if the school is too small. When your class is only 30 kids you don't get a whole lot of opportunity to properly socialize with 'new' people.
PreciousPotato
Then again, the same applies to a lot of kids in school. 🤔
JustDumbCommentsAndCorrections
Public school teaches social skills in much the same way that being dropped amidst a pack of wolves teaches animal handling skills.
neospor1n
Yup, knew 3 homeschooled kids that went public at 7th grade. Fairly smart but we’re definitely ‘odd’
IAmTheToastyOhs
Other people are greatly overated.
ArcaneConjecture
Regular schoolkids grow up around kids and learn to act like kids. Homeschool kids grow up around adults and learn to act like adults. Trouble is, some of them think the Earth is only 10,000 years old.
zFUBARz
Homeschooled kids I knew where most certainly not acting like adults. They were very strange, but not adult like in their behaviour.
TomahawkJackson
Like we don't now have **an entire generation** who had a 1-3 year gap in socialization learning...
KalleSchnikov
Imagine living in a country so shitty that you choose to homeschool your kids
dizzyturtle
I went to public school and my social skills are severely lacking.
bluescreen
Same.
Davidnfilms
This, it wasn't great to see. The kid was smart, but boy... he didn't know anything about talking with other kids.
MeanwhileInAmerica
Yes, school-based social skills are very important for life.
TheSecondPiewackit
Correct. I was homeschooled until 10th grade. The only thing that saved me was doing Running Start and getting dumped straight into college.
GlobalImageServiceCat
In USA, most parents are just glad their kids are still alive by the end of a school day. Social skill is a small price to pay for keeping them safe at home. Beside, Americans can always use guns to resolve any issue.
thepriceisrightbitchez
Their are lots of cities or places that embrace homeschooling and cater to homeschooling parents. I don’t homeschool, but there are lots of people in Austin that do. They even have schools for people who homeschool so they can participate in sports and other regular school activities.
AnnieGoolahee
A friend of mine was put into a lot of theater/drama extracurriculars at the community center to help with this when she was homeschooled. Not sure if it helped or if she's just a good actress. Lol
TheFeralDog
easily fixed in todays home school environment and city of even a moderate size (like 40k or more has home school co-ops where you pool knowledge for teaching, resources, and have kids get together regularly for social skills including field trips, music, sports and theater stuff. There is not really any negatives for homeschooling now other than it requires more involvement by parents. And on avg they score significantly higher on all testing than their public schooled peers
ThisIsntMyActualName
Google Enoch Burke, Ammi Burke and Simeon Burke in Ireland. A billboard to keep your kids in classrooms if i ever seen it
TinyBadger101
Every homeschooled kid I've met had socialization issues. I was part of an informal group in college to help socialize them and lemme tell you, I'm no paragon at socializing. But because I struggled so much I could break down socializing rules, and I didn't hold awkwardness against people. Please never homeschool unless 1) serious unaddressed bullying or 2) medical reasons.
IAmOnlyWaitingAroundToKillYou
I was homeschooled until US highschool and had plenty of social interaction as a kid. You don't need to be shut inside your house for 5 to 7 hours every day to be homeschooled, you can still exist in a community.
ShanOfGreenGables
It’s so interesting to hear these replies! I totally get how skills could be lacking due to homeschooling, but we never had a problem. We were treated like adults and could hold conversations well, even with our peers. We also attended a homeschool co op and did lots of sports, so that probably helped too.
backrideup9
They'll never socialize properly if they dont have the shared experience of hiding under a desk with their friends so they dont get gunned down during 3rd period.
YeastInfectedWhiskerBiscuit
Dude, shut up. Pretty sure not being exposed to the possibility of bullying or catching a bullet is a good thing. Home school kids aren't hermits and have plenty of opportunities to go out and interact in the world and make friends. So P*** off with your bs comment.
sagenomos
Sometimes the reason the kid was homeschooled to begin with is that they were picked on so mercilessly for being awkward in school that their parents pulled them out to keep them safe.
PlasticFicus
Sandy Hook is why we homeschool. I will take Alive over Knows Social Cues any fuckin day of the week.
Kunitsu
This was why I was homeschooled. But we socialized with other homeschool groups and online gaming, so most of my siblings turned out pretty well =)
UsuallyARabbit
I went to public school the entire time, but my folks refused to let me hang out with kids, join sports, or have "a girlfriend". The only way I learned how to speak to people was by working at Denny's as a waiter, so - I can't interface deeply with people, but my small talk game is clutch.
Peachcappuccino
To be fair covid lockdowns set a lot of the current young people back a few years. There are homeschool groups where you can meet others.
BenjaminMu
Research suggests that homeschooled kids are fine/equally as good socially. The biggest problem is that parents of homeschool kids pass on more strict belief systems that hinder long-term creativity. eg. Homeschool Mormons won’t believe anything that’s not in the book of Mormon.
axelhoff
Could also end up be the case if the kids go to a socio-economical homonyms school :/
n0n53n53
that seems to be more of a parenting issue than a strictly home school issue in current times. There's plenty of ways to properly socialize outside of school
Chromenstein
I'm curious... what are these ways? Or are you just saying stuff to say stuff?
Isikyus
Basically what Candyside above you said: homeschool-specific social groups, and extracurriculars like sport, theatre, etc.
Candyside
This. Very this. I was a socialized homeschooler until i started college at 16. My father did the teaching and my mother ensured i always had social extracurriculars (local theater, martial arts, book club, sports, summer camp, beauty school, etc) and if she couldn't find any clubs for my age group she started one. There are even fairs and dances for homeschool kids in some areas. It's a good deal of HARD parental work, but its a thing of beauty when someone has the time and energy to devote.
orty
100% this. We homeschooled our kids after elementary school after my oldest was mercilessly bullied in middle school (they went to small elementary school where everyone got along). They were hardly isolated. If anything it gave us more time to do things outside of what would have been normal classroom hours like volunteer work, music lessons, outdoor activities and the homeschool community does a lot of group activities and group teaching to keep kids social.
orty
My youngest was able to start college early because she wasn't tied into a traditional high school and is getting her BS in Biology at 19, starting at PhD program in the fall.
Merdock
I met some home schooled kids near the end of HS and it was a shock seeing their inability to pick up on most social ques.
littlehappyfeet
Yea I think its a shitty thing to do with your kid. Even if they have a homeschool friend group, almost all of those people are going to be weird too.
consistentprogress
I'm not homeschooled and I don't do good with social cues either 🤷♀️
ctotheg2
But if you were homeschooled you might have learnt the *cues. So it’s all relative, 😆
Merdock
ctotheg2
We all dumb this blessed day
Merdock
N4k3dSN4K3
I wasn’t home schooled, and let me tell you… social hints sucks. Just tell me how you feel. Want me to fuck off? Tell me; want to get away, tell me. I’m so tired of misreading everything from people who only send social queues that it makes me want to not deal with people and wish for another wave of Covid. Am I on the spectrum? Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe go fuck yourselves. Doesn’t matter; just tell me what you feel instead of forcing me to guess
ItSeemsYouHaveSufferedaTerribleFate
Not getting social cues is a pretty common autistic trait honestly. You may just be neurodivergent though. That doesn't always quantify someone as autistic.
LoreLord
I was a homeschooled kid for a few years, I still can't talk to people well, and am basically asocial because I have almost no social skills. And I'm almost 30 now
tallmary
If it was only a few years, probably it wasn't the homeschooling that caused the issue with social skills
ShanOfGreenGables
Try watching some YouTube videos for social niceties, conversation starters/connectors and maybe read books like How to Win Friends and Influence People. Might help! It feels so much better sometimes to connect and having a script can help ease anxiety until you get the hang of it.
DocBenny
If ut makes you feel better, I wasn't homeschooled but my social skills are still trash
n0n53n53
I'm that way too, but I went to school. It's almost as if some people are not social and that schooling can be traumatic whether done at home or at a tradition brick and mortar school
jediomen
^ This. R/homeschoolrecovery is full of horror stories. It’s not healthy to raise socially isolated children.
Tengenstein
Jokes on them school gave me depression, and a couple of suicide attempts.
LiberalViking
Don't judge a whole group of people by the bad stories.
ProfessorDumbass
Home school girls think every fuck boy is a god
blondewithabrain
I was homeschooled and loved it. That being said I wasn't isolated and started taking college classes when I was 15.
Calicious
Yup. Everyone in my family switched to public school in mid/high & our social skills were so bad that all 4 of us had issues with suicidal ideation.
Flakbadger
Was homeschooled. People who isolate their kids honestly fail them. TONS of groups and get-togethers out there these days.
Snuggelapolous
Just because your homeschooled doesn't mean you are socially isolated.
WorkerLurker
That’s what mixer dances in my school were for really
Carnifici
I think that in US the choice is now between safe, smart but socially inept child that was homeschooled, or stupid probably dead and for sure bullied child that went to school.
Richter12x2
Going to public school isn't anything to do with being socially inept. You can be plenty inept.
Richter12x2
That's why when we did it, we still had our daughter enrolled in girl scouts, karate, etc. There are a lot of social clubs for homeschooled kids.
Calicious
Speaking from experience - that's not enough.
Richter12x2
Speaking from experience, that might not have anything to do with homeschooling.
Dragonfury5
Yeah... my city only let public students in, and the rest was run by mainly churches you had to attend
Richter12x2
That's weird, since karate for example is a business. Doesn't seem like they could force them to require you to attend public school.
Dragonfury5
My town didn't have that. It was very backwards and rural
Geekyre
JOKES ON THEM, I HAVE AUTISM (use to be called aspergers) SO MY SOCIAL QUE PICK UP GAME IS SHIT ANYWAAAAAAYS!
KatharyaTheCat
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FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
Hi! Serious question: I thought Asperger’s was a type of autism? I thought there were many different types on the spectrum. I would like to be more aware on this subject; I just don’t want to say wrong thing & seem ignorant. Thanks in advance for sharing your personal knowledge. I appreciate it!
ChampionofChristmas
There is a dark history behind the term asperger, so it's not used because of that, and with new information, it is no longer relative/accurate.
BubbaliciousDefinition
I can only speak about Australia, but here we use the DSM V categories for ASD. There are 3 levels, level 1, level 2, level 3. Level 1 is high functioning (Asperger’s), level 2 needs significant support, and level 3 is more severe. Level 3 ASD is typically where you would see people who are non-verbal. Hope this helps!
Geekyre
It is just no longer called aspergers to my understanding and now classified as autism. Autism is like one of those color wheels.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Asperger's has been depreciated, and is now just part of the autism spectrum. The issue is most people associate autism with people like Chris Chan, or nonresponsives, which is at the extreme end, and a result of poor resources for parents of neurodivergents.
ChampionofChristmas
It's not really depreciated. It's got a dark history around Nazi's. It's really not a great term, and I don't believe it's considered part of the spectrum anymore. Not that those people previously 'labeled' are not on the spectrum, but aspergers is not the term anymore.
Vortexhelios320
I have it, and may I just say... you can pry my 'aspy' designation from my cold, dead, social skills!
VodkaReindeer
Surely people associate autistic people more with more visible people on the spectrum and not the extreme ones.
Thereisnogoodtwin
I was homeschooled through 8th, and lemme tell ya, I struggled with socializing into my mid-20's. It took a fuckton of determination and a weird-ass (but apparently effective) plan to bring myself up to speed with my peers, but honestly? Even now in my 30's I still find there are things I never really got a handle on
boblives
I read somewhere that homeschool kids fidget less, like if you had 2 people waiting in a queue you'd be able to pick out the home school kid cause they're standing more still. Also they miss alot of non verbal communication cause they weren't immersed in communication with peers while there brains were completing it's formation. Like if you nod your head to say 'sup , they'd respond weird
noClueWhatToSay
I was not homeschooled, but I was bullied and my social skills suck, but now I have a nice small family so I got that going for me which is nice
Firebolt391d
Can you elaborate on the "weird-ass plan" thing, I'm kinda personally experiencing that struggle in my life rn and idk what to do
Thereisnogoodtwin
Of course! At its most basic, I threw myself into acting classes in college to force myself into a public space, work through my fear/discomfort, and train conversational and interpersonal skills in a semi-controlled setting. It's definitely not for everyone, but I went from fumbling and cold-sweating my way through every conversation to being a rather adept socialite...if what my friends tell me is true!
GardenVarietyBro
I was homeschooled through 7th! How do you do, fellow students? It was a rocky entry and high school was never fun, but i was good at school and found my social stride in college. I think the whole prison model for public school is wrong for humans. My wife wants to try to shield our kids from the harsh aspects of the world for as long as possible, but I suspect that’s not long once they start school, and we both have to work.
chizzilizzard46
I went to public school, and it was hard to socialize with my peers. Even in my 20' and 30s, wait.... a minute. Can I really type as many words !
Blud4BludGod
And then there's me, who went to public school but NEVER became good at socializing, only to eventually be diagnosed as autistic lol. Sorry, I didn't have a finish out for that thought, in person this would be the point where I stare blankly at you for a while.
JiffyGee
Same. I was always the quiet fat weird ugly kid so…yeah. Never really made a lot of friends.
Thereisnogoodtwin
Well at least you know why! And you seem comfortable enough in your own skin to see the comedy in it, so maybe you're doing better than you think. Just don't stare too hard, people are oddly still afraid of potential eye lasers
notmyactualusername
Hello, are you me? *Waves awkwardly*
FoxySpirit
Took me 5 years of a work wehere socialising was the only way to keep sane to at least have some competency at it. Nowadays people don'
FoxySpirit
t even notice my autism stuff. Mostly. Except when I talk myself into a topic and literally can't stop while noticing the social cues. It's crazy, like watching yourself driving a train into a wall while being fully aware.
Richter12x2
I have news for you. I went to public school and I have almost exactly the same experience as you. I've learned that MOST people aren't WORTH socializing with. Luckily I learned it before I killed myself due to the treatment I got from other students and teachers, and I wasn't gay or trans or black, just smart. Lots of people have it worse. Don't let your worth depend on the opinions of others. If I had been home schooled I probably would like people a lot more today.
ArcaneConjecture
Amen.
Thereisnogoodtwin
Well I'm glad you stuck it out; lots of people can be cruel, intentionally or not, and I hope that despite that you found a friendly little corner of the world to call your own
Richter12x2
Life's MUCH better now. I'd say leading a good life is the best revenge, but honestly I just really don't care about them any more.
Gryah
I'd love to hear more about this weird-ass plan!
Thereisnogoodtwin
At its most basic, I threw myself into acting classes in college to force myself into a public space, work through my fear/discomfort, and train conversational and interpersonal skills inna semi-controlled setring. It's definitely not for everyone, but I went from fumbling and cold-sweating my way through every conversation to being a rather adept socialite...if what my friends tell me is true!
VagueMonkey
I actually did something similar - I'm a recently diagnosed adult and dealt with my social issues by becoming a circus performer. Working as a juggler, stilt walker and fire eater/ breather got me meeting and talking to a LOT of interesting and unusual people so I brushed up on my social skills pretty quick!
Thereisnogoodtwin
That sounds amazing! What a great way to meet some of life's most interesting people
ActionJohnnie
Thespian sex is weird
ArrogantLoudMouthedBother