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Its getting very close to the end of the net and you want to help because you care. But you don't want to bust your but making difference. I understand so here is everything you can do to make a difference.
1. Email them:
I would start with these three Ajit.Pai@fcc.gov, Mignon.Clyburn@fcc.gov, and Mike.O'Rielly@fcc.gov. Paste this into the email:
"I stand firmly against this proposal. Preserving net neutrality is imperative to the free market. Allowing telecom companies to have it their way would have massive repercussions that would affect everyone, from competitors to consumers - sans, of course, telecom companies and anti-neutrality politicians. Without the Title II rules and regulations, telecom corporations are given unchecked power and control over their customers' Internet access; there would be nothing to stop Comcast, for example, from throttling competitors by placing additional charges on their services or blocking their sites entirely in order to extort money from their customers. The American consumer stands to gain absolutely nothing by supporting this proposal. It is anti-neutrality, anti-free market, and anti-consumer. It does not promote the rights of consumers, it gives telecom companies the ability to unfairly crush competition whilst shafting their customers in the process. As such, I strongly disapprove of this proposal, and urge the FCC to reconsider its priorities in promoting corporate interests as opposed to those of its constituents."
2. Sign this petition:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/replace-ajit-pai-fcc-restore-net-neutrality-make-last-mile-networking-public-utility-and-stop-corporate-abuse-0 You will have to confirm your email that's about it. The petition is for congress to investigate into Ajit Pai of the FCC.
3. Call the Congress:
Click here https://www.battleforthenet.com/?call=1. Just put in your phone number and it will give you a script to speak. Total Calls: 244,102 This week: 40,246 Today: 14,828
4. Put an Official comment on the FCC website:
Click here: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express
Type 17-108 in the Proceedings section. Fill out the rest of the tabs. For the comment start with these prompts:
• Why is Net Neutrality important to you?
• Why do you need the internet?
• What do you use it for?
• How has it improved your life?
• What would happen if you couldn't access the open internet?
Text "Resist" to 50409:
It will write to your representatives through a series of prompts. Pretty easy.
5. (This one requires some work) Post this poster around:
Raise awareness! Post this poster around your school, neighborhood, and workplace.
We can do it! If enough people make sure their voices are heard we can accomplish something beautiful!. Lets win the battle over net neutrality!
FP Edit: So glad your all are making your voices heard. We got the petition from 100 signatures to 4,000! We need 95,837 more signatures!
mangoraiden
*starts organizing porn for future sales*
technobass
jacquesattack
If feel for you guys man. Your countrymen voted for "draining the swamp". Seems your swamp is getting bigger
noxiousSaucyBeast
If this actually happens I bet there would be a big public outcry of rage.nothing more frustrating to Americans than internet inconvenience
thatsthewaaaythenewsgoes
BUT HOW WOULD WE VOICE OUR OUTCRY WITHOUT THE INTERNET
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
We need to have sites like Wikipedia, Amazon, and Youtube act like they did for SOPA/PIPA. Get as much attention as possible.
TheCrusher78
Thank god I don't live in the USA
B3holder
The rest of the world is too affected by US internet status for it to not have a negative impact everywhere else.
bigfluffydonkeydick
Can non-americans also do those things? To give support.
boredimagurian
Ofcourse
ChrisVZ
So happy that I get internet with a local company that vowed to treat all content the same. Small company focused on keeping people happy.
ChrisVZ
sorry for the long wait for a reply. Margretville Telephone. Very small co. in upstate NY. Got a grant from NY's broadband for all program
spaceystacey
I am making sure my reps know I will be voting in the next election based on their vote on the issue of net neutrality.
JrElmoe
It has barely been two decades since the internet has been integrated into society, it has helped so much and now they want to cripple it.
monkeymonkeyf
I'd rather take 30 min to do this then workout lol
BilldeTurlock
I Did It!
boredimagurian
Yes!
BilldeTurlock
TY for your efforts, BTW!
crockmonster
4chan, please do something about this.
TheGreyKnightsBANNED
if net neutrality is taken away im screwed. as i would have to pay more money to do my online school.
ILikeNewEnglandBeer
Holy shit I wasn't taking this seriously enough until I read your post. I can only get fucked so many ways, they can't have another go!
boredimagurian
Thats exactly what i wrote in my letter
TheGreyKnightsBANNED
the program i am currently in is free but if net neutrality is taken away i would have to pay to have access to school. to my grades.
TheGreyKnightsBANNED
to the essays and papers i have written. to all of my education.
SexDrugsBirdsandRocknRoll
And you're lucky that it's free, for so many students it's already almost unmanageably expensive. School would be impossible for many.
EccentricNimoy
But that's part of the point. Poorly educated people are easy to rule.
adamant
The FCC Ombudsperson is available to assist w/ Open Internet complaints, and can be reached at: ombudsperson@fcc.gov or 202-418-1155.
ilikegummylifesavers
STOP VOTING FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO END NET NEUTRALITY
SirsSir
Thank Bush for Net Neutrality then Obama who made it bigger. Its not a Rep. vs Dem., its greed and paid politicians.
mardukkur
Actually it is Rep vs. Dem. It's the R chair with an R majority on the FCC pushing to end NN, while the Dems enforced it under Obama and...
mardukkur
...Clinton ran on the issue, support for NN was in the Democratic party platform.
SirsSir
could of been started by Clinton, but Bush is the one who used it first
mardukkur
Remember that NN was always at the heart of how the internet worked. It's only more recently with cable conglomerates like Comcast and...
mardukkur
...Time Warner that also provide content that NN has come under attack. Threats to NN before Bush were non-existent. Even under Bush...
fer0s
What can I do, I'm not from the US?
boredimagurian
You can still make your voice heard
fer0s
How buddy?
Megallion
Does this affect every country or just US? What happens for Canadians?
d0o0o0d
Canadians will continue to be overcharged, regardless of what happens in the US.
Bacxaber
You speak da tru-tru.
MonsterKittens
Other countries have different ISPs, so their internet would not be slowed down, but a loss of net neutrality in the U.S. would lead to 1/
MonsterKittens
either increased costs for sites if they choose to pay to speed up their connection, or decreased traffic if they don't, since people 2/
MonsterKittens
are less likely to use a site if it takes a long time to load. Some sites will start losing money, so they might host more ads, switch 3/
MonsterKittens
to a paid subscription service, or shut down if those don't help them make enough money, and that will affect everyone, not just the U.S.
thdudedude
This is on the targeted sites as well. If they want my business after this, i have to be able to reach them. If i cant, their loss of
thdudedude
business. Ill just go back to buying local.
Johnny5dicks
Dumb question, but couldn't a community crowdfund their own ISP and bypass some of the issues? Anyone know about that stuff?
boredimagurian
Ya that would be cool
HolyCringeLordBatman
Not exactly. Google "teir 1 network". Basically the hardware is owned by the big telecos, so even small ones have to pay them for access
HolyCringeLordBatman
Only a substantially large entity, like Google with Fibre can really get around that
FilthyRapscallions
Honest question here. Couldn’t you use a VPN to circumvent “paid lanes”?
xdvgx
I'd imagine so, who's to say VPNs wouldnt be blocked as well though.
RedIronCrown
The priority scale would likely be High Paying Traffic > Low Paying Traffic > All Other Traffic. Guess where VPN traffic would be?
VenDei
"We understand your need to communicate confidentially, but use of VPN is not covered by your package. Upgrade now for only..."
laowllol
Yep, this is the real answer. "Sorry VPN service is not covered in your misc. data plan, can we interest you in AT&T Secure Network (tm)?"
idontknowwhatishouldtakeasusername
afaik no.. your connection is still provided by your ISP and you still have to load the same website, only the you cant be traced back
idontknowwhatishouldtakeasusername
and if you want to visit an US based website which relies on one of those scumbag ISP, they can slow down the website for everyone worldwide
Johnny5dicks
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Bacxaber
Normally, I downvote "dot" comments. Something about them irritates me. But today is not that day, Johnny.
spaceystacey
Good post, but trying to change Ajit Pai's mind is useless. Focus elsewhere
Xeddius
I mean, if he doesn't have a mind to change it won't matter. *Cough* die shit pie.
EveryonesCousin
Agreed. He doesn't give a flying shit what people want, he's just making money.
TheFlyingSheep
unless you win the lottery and donate millions, he wont listen
pinkpanzer
Does this effect Europe
Akselas
ISPs are prohibited from blocking or slowing down of Internet traffic in the EU, so i dont know about UK.
AtomIndigo
Not directly at first but it opens some pretty shitty doors, and chances are this cancer will spread.
dex2775
The EU has a law on the books to explicitly protect Net Neutrality, and said law is deliberately hard to repeal by corporate interests.
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removekarling
If this passes I'm 100% certain the UK will try the same, and after that European countries might get the same idea.
Kompi
I honestly would be very sceptical of this. The only way is if corporations try to influence through business deals and threats
removekarling
Which isn't at all new to them. Skeptical of it happening in the UK or the rest of Europe?
Kompi
Rest of EU mostly, but also in UK. UK actually have a comprehensive tv, advert, music and entertainment policy, like with BBC
2and900
US based websites (like Imgur) may be affected
Akselas
Only to people using the website on the US.
Jorgeburgenson
Sign the petition it only has 1k signatures it needs 100k to count
ClamSlammingWhovian
I was shocked at the small number of votes, that's unbelievable.
McTerminator
https://www.change.org/p/save-net-neutrality-netneutrality
McTerminator
That one is much more popular
Cheshix
Too bad it doesn't do anything unlike the one hosted on the whitehouse.gov site.
McTerminator
I was just trying to say people do care, I guess. Wrong location though.
fluffyredpandabear
this needs much more. EA can get thousands and thousands of downvotes... gotta pump those numbers up
FlyingGiantElk
This might affect me, as the US gov does, and I have no way to do anything about it. I doubt the US gov cares about Aussies. Please win.
override367
It's a done deal, America voted for this, America wants this, IMGURians were like 2:1 for this administration last year
theslybanananana
As an Irishman I'm feeling the same way, it'll only be a matter of time before the rest of us lose net neutrality
Buttermeupandcallmetoast
Not 100% sure but I think we're protected by EU laws for this sort of thing at least
TezuNii
In Britain and Ireland (at least) it would never occur. As we have multiple ISPs fighting for the same customers.
ZircZZ
Same here in the Netherlands. Small country, but many competing ISP's all having country wide coverage. Makes it fast and cheap. :)
TezuNii
Plus, we already have content restriction laws in place, changing them is harder than creating new laws
TheGirlInTheFireplace
Can I move to your country please?
TezuNii
Only if you drink copious amounts of tea and will serve our Queen
Kodaxmax
Dude Aussie isps already block certain torrent and porn sites. we already lost this battle last year.
Laynco
The good thing about our government is that they're technologically inept. You can still easily access those types of sites.
Kodaxmax
Theres not much they can do stop VPNs and people physical attaching themselves to the network
FatLemongrab
What they've done here has nothing on this. Our gov were trying to stop piracy (fail). Net neutrality ending will be way worse.
Kodaxmax
What they did in Australia is step 1, as it will be in america. they already advertise it as anti piracy measures in the US.
FatLemongrab
It'll be like 9/11 times a thousand
Vortality
Wouldn't ending net neutrality step on the first amendment? It would suppress speech, assembly, and press. Someone get the supreme court
boredimagurian
YES!
CoffinFullOfPudding
I need to know the answer to this
override367
That's not how the constitution works
BleepBlorpBop
No. For the same reason that it isn’t when someone gets removed from Twitter.
coolaggro
It'll be challenged in the courts. The 2015 rule was upheld fully, supporting net neutrality
clownqueefs69
Private companies aren't bound by the First Amendment. All Amendments - other than 13 (no slaves) limit government action, not people.
AvielMenter
Also, SCOTUS has adjudicated this issue multiple times from a regulatory standpoint. Unfortunately, FCC has the authority to do this. (2/2)
weeewoooweeewoooweeeewooooooooo
the ACLU is going to fight this tooth and nail and it will be held up in courts for a very long time
SquireRamza
Did they actually say that? Because we all know it'll pass because Pi loves sucking those corporate cocks
weeewoooweeewoooweeeewooooooooo
There were multiple entities arming their lawyers to fight it, no links or anything like that but we were just talking about it @ work
SquireRamza
Thank you, that makes me feel a little better, at least.
AvielMenter
There's no state action here; it's ISPs, not the government, directly suppressing your speech. (1/2)
stoatinaboat
No, it wouldn't. Internet access is a privilege not a right, unfortunately.
getyourp00pinagroup123
i dont think youd be able to effectively argue that it suppresses speech. suppression of communication with others, but not speech
TielKiri
Wait, what's the difference?
getyourp00pinagroup123
just because you have a right to say something doesnt mean you have a right to demand others provide the platform
TielKiri
Ah, gotcha. That makes sense.
Leithreas
It is private companies doing it, not the gov't. And internet isn't classified as a public good, though it should be.
brrrackobama
This is a critical point. Telephone lines, for example, cannot be throttled because they are a public service. Internet is not (yet).
leodavinci1
The "private companies" issue isn't relevant. Numerous court cases have held that it in't just government that can violate civil rights.
CraftedLine
Private companies that took billions of our tax dollars! Once Congress understands the issue they might want the money back our of anger.
CraftedLine
Unless they're placed on that special list? Similar to spam calls/emails and so on.
definitelynotafakename
Your congressman doesn't want those tax dollars back - he already has them
Anonaru
Them denying or limiting your access to things they do not own or have control over could give a suit some traction though
OriginaIPoster
They want to basically label it as a luxury good as opposed to a form of telecommunication that can be regulated.
Leithreas
It's like they have a private road to the store you want to go to. I guess you could argue they can't deny access but it's not strong.
Quietkitsune
They own all the roads between them, so we have to pay *someone* to drive anywhere. Now they're saying that's not enough. 1/2
Quietkitsune
They want to say 'If you're going to Five Guys, that will be $10 more, but White Castle is only $3 (not that we're invested in them, honest)
Anonaru
It's hard to draw a good analogy, we dont really have a real world comparison or a precedent. Would be interesting !
pilojo
Unfortunately, there's not much you could do. They own the only way to access the websites. Would be like a property manager banning someone
pilojo
Under current net neutrality laws it was reclassified as a utility. They're looking to repeal that.
mardukkur
Specifically a common carrier under title II.
TexiTrap
It's totally a utility now. We even stopped printing yellow pages.
Counterfit
Really? I still get a book every year
pilojo
Legally it is. Right now. If they repeal it, it goes back to being a service.
CycloneSP
if it's a utility, why is it so expensive compared to other utilities?
boredimagurian
Credit to the poster to reddit user /u/Burnblast277
ImnotAllowedtoPostPublicly
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SirPlatinum
What can non Americans do about this?
ShinyMatador
@Germans: Write a message to the Bundesregierung via Webpage/ Contact form and send a tweet to Außenminister Siggi and ask for a statement.
Mercenarity
In great enough numbers, make your own politicians aware of what you want so they don't adopt American policies you don't want.
TopCommenter
1 Pick a zip code for a state likely to vote against net neutrality and pretend you're from there. I have no idea how effective that'd be.
TopCommenter
2 In this instance, I'm not above lying. It's not as though they haven't been doing the same.
HalfManHalfGin
This is something I'd like to know too. Obviously it's going to affect us who have even less say in the matter than the Septics
ElysianLegion4
If they take away net neutrality me and everybody I know are dropping our isp's.
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
Did you have internet before 2015? Because there was no net neutrality then either.
TheTallKid
It seems like a lot of this NN is just based on fear mongering memes.
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
That's exactly what this is.
HolyCringeLordBatman
Not really? We have concrete examples of ISP's blackmailing companies for more money or throttling their service.
AeonQuasars
Sadly
vonkeswick
Unfortunately that's not an option for me :/ I need the internet to do my job and pay my bills
Xeddius
Then talk to your boss about stopping this before it becomes an issue. Money Talks.
vonkeswick
I work at Amazon which is very much for net neutrality, and we've voiced our opinion on the matter
LithiumOd
Same here and my mates are on board as well
boredimagurian
that's probably wise
thisistheguy
Honestly it's not as hard to live off the grid without internet save for music for me, had to go analog for a few weeks no music blew
PolarChi
Serious Question: are there any consumers that have a reason to fight WITH Comcast? I just didn't know if there was anyone like that??
Exactually
Dot for future me to check out this guys "Livin in the burbs with no internet newsletter"
PSWIIsixty
I'm in the same boat. If I can't afford it I'll have to cut it off. Hopefully my cell phone company will be better than Comcast.
PleaseDisperseNothingToSeeHere
Honestly I'll probably do the same. There are actually methods to connect people without using phone or internet. Might check those out.
poopaidsunderscorecoffee
I can honestly say that I would and will not continue to internet.
supersomatic
no, you aren't.
fruitstick
Why not just wait until they actually do something bad like the memes say? If they don't charge for special access what's the problem?
afriendofmine
The precedent and the legal framework it's put into. Think about death penalty. If I'm not mistaking, it was something that was already in
afriendofmine
decline by the time most states outright banned it, anyways. But the fact that they banned it, that they legally reframed our social/legal
afriendofmine
interpretation of what it means to condemn somebody to death, is an important decision, regardless of where you stand on the subject.
afriendofmine
It speaks of what we find acceptable/unacceptable, regardless of it practically happening or not. That's how I perceive it, at least.
trollisourbites
Doubt it
ISOMETIMESreactwithh3h3gifsandpics
Make a local ISP
CraftedLine
This! I have a few locals in my small town. 1-3mbps +/-. I'd switch to them.
HolyCringeLordBatman
And those locals rely on the hardware of the teir 1 networks. You're still paying the big ISP
StellarJay77
problem is most of those independents rely on infrastructure from the large telecom companies. They'll be charged out of business too.
legitchrispratt
I suspect that, while you may be sincere, many of those you know are the same as those who said theyd move to Canada if trump won. Insincere
gambosa
Well most of the people who said this also have jobs and families in the states as well as canada isnt a "easy imigration" place like us >>>
gambosa
I got my information at "vice place" and basicly you have to have a job there or have someone say "yep i got him"
gambosa
(This doesnt mean i support trump OR hilary i was a other guy the third one... cant remeber his name now sorry
SnorkeldinkCameltoe
I have a friend that started a family with a girl in the Philippines. After they had a baby it took 2 years to get her & baby into Canada.
ElysianLegion4
Probably, but if they want to spend an arm and leg for limited internet access, that's there prerogative.
legitchrispratt
I remember DSL. It's not ideal, but it's 100% (literally) better than no access at all.
CraftedLine
Not really. I lived through DSL (pre-AOL 3.0), it was a nightmare and only used it for work. I bet many will do the same, or an app w/fix.
CraftedLine
FIVE MINUTES for a photo or longer, low def!
tesseract4d2
On dsl? You're thinking dialup. I have DSL at home and I have two people on my net playing Ark and Minecraft. Simultaneously.
StalkerMagnet
but... how will you internet?
wrecktangles
https://imgur.com/sWb3GtE
Kellili
My plan too. I'll still have data on my phone to use. Anything else I can just go to the library.
TheGirlInTheFireplace
We basically won't have internet anyway so we may as well drop it. Why give them money for 0.1% of the speed we used to have?
AtomIndigo
Start downloading as much as possible now. All your favorite porn, all your music's and any movie or TV shows you'll miss. Use a VPN too!
OreoD
What about new episodes of shows? How will we get those once NN is down?
MarkerMage
We'll just get photos of your mother through the mail.
sykoticflaw
We won't. That's the issue.
Ghost0fDawn
hold up Im gonna go invest stock in board games.
Leithreas
We can all wait/support Google fiber I guess. They're not as evil, yet.
MarkerMage
I've heard that Google was already censoring stuff.
pineapplesuprise
The problem is ISP's are paying off members of Congress to keep google fiber from expanding
hovelhopper
I thought Google fiber was no longer expanding?
tswr
Ah yes they were on hold for a bit but have just started back up.
tesseract4d2
What the other guy said, plus they'd be really attractive if they didn't do what the others are doing. They can afford the lawyers to tell
tesseract4d2
Comcast and AT&T where they can shove it if they try to start something.
GreedyWildcard
They still have expansion plans - they just put all their current plans on hold at one point.
leodavinci1
Still on hold... and pretty much dead in the water.
CasaDeMaize
I'm lucky to be on a fiber loop that is ran by the local utilities company. Long story short, move to Chattanooga... have 1Gb, be free!
djzkay
Nashvillian here. I wish we had your internet!
eadano77
Chattanooga is my favorite city. I'd love to move there.
drezrale
Can I move in with you? I have two gaming PCs, one is partly build the other is balls to the wall high end.
CasaDeMaize
Why not, i could always use another skinsui......ummm... friend. Yeah, another friend...that's it.
drezrale
Yay, I have my friends for dinner every friday. Is that a problem?
Reaper116
if it's unusable then why bother paying for it?
agluuo
That will be the dilemma once it becomes unusable if this passes. For right now, it’s not. This post is about future.
Virunuss
Internet was usable before NN
EccentricNimoy
*because of.
OreoD
But now most of us are /used/ to NN.
Virunuss
People are shouting about access packages and snail pace web surfing. That was NOT the case at all before NN.
ThisUsernameContainsNoCreativity
there has never not been net neutrality
Virunuss
You're mistaken.
ElysianLegion4
I won't. Didn't have internet for a good portion of my life, I can do it again.
override367
Sure you will
StalkerMagnet
You're a stronger person than I am
StoleYourPounds
Stronger than most of us. Take care, American friend.
ImAfraidYoureAllPsychosSoIMadeThisAccount
As a small family business, we rely purely on Internet sales. Not looking forward to this one bit.
ColoneISanders
Same but...I don't want to return to those dark days :( I could probably manage but...what about the kids?! THINK OF THE CHILDREN FCC
GentlemanScientist
Damn, you old.
Skromulator
I will be joining you.
MrMemethief
You're a hero
iamthisguy247
But the memes? The porn? The videos? The affirmation of self worth through likes and upvotes? How can you live without it?
TheBlackKnightRider
this is why you download as much porn as you can and put it in a seperate file.
ElysianLegion4
Because I can't afford internet plus all those packages. Even if I could it's not fun waiting days for a video to load because that 1/2
ElysianLegion4
That website couldn't or wouldn't she'll out tons of cash to my ISP to be put on a fast line. 2/2
SexDrugsBirdsandRocknRoll
What about finding jobs, when you need to do research and apply online? Giving up email, skype? How will people get their news, Fox?
HadMeSomeChickens
Library
agluuo
Regular mail, newspapers, phone calls and libraries.
littlebigplanet
autism the post
HolyCringeLordBatman
Hey, that works for you, can't remember the last time I saw senior software development jobs in the newspaper
mirhagk
Libraries have been heavily digitalizing because of the realization that internet is basically a necessity. As much as a car is
SexDrugsBirdsandRocknRoll
Sure those things are available, but there are so many downsides. People won't do that stuff. We'd use so much more paper than we already do