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MrKomisiripala
We know that bad people keep people as sex slaves today. Why is it so hard to accept that it was way more frequent & accepted in the past?
NotasbigasmediumsizedJock
My grandmother died suddenly when I was 8 months old and my mother's milk dried up almost instantly from the shock. I needed formula to live
brunhildtheblue
Exactly. All these people talking about breastfeeding are probably the same ones who don’t want to see it in public, too.
HiddenAccountMX75
I didn’t produce any milk after childbirth. I needed formula. I would be a desperate new mom if this was current situation.
octopamine
Same. My bub was a preemie. I pumped and pumped and pumped. Rounds of medication, vitamins, lactation cookies. Not enough to feed him still.
scholarmonkey
Same for me. Huge haemorrhage at delivery meant my body had nothing left to give. Baby needed to eat. Formula was literally a lifesaver.
Filanwizard
if people can say "Just Breastfeed" I can say "Retool other powdered food product factories to formula" ;)
windsingr
I'll gladly sacrifice my whey protein access and cost if it means feeding kids. IDGAF. I'm not getting abs this summer anyway.
chiefrunswithscissors
I dnt see how any of what she said answered the shitty take question but interesting either way
nichfra
What did people do before formula was widely available? A lot of children died is what they did.
Hernalser17
Everyone in my family breastfed. I never even contemplated not doing it. After 3 weeks of having my baby attached to me non stop, 1/
Hernalser17
2/? the best breast feeding consultants, and my baby still losing over 2pounds, I added formula. Suddenly baby gained weight, slept
Hernalser17
3/? through the night and was content. I really wanted to breastfeed. I just didn't produce enough milk...
SomeDetroitGuy
Also - adoptive parents, mothers who can't produce milk, mothers who have to work, babies who don't take to breastfeeding are all things.
squidiom
There are so many contexts where formula is needed. These are the same people who say we should prioritize the fetus's life over the mom's,
squidiom
then act surprised when we tell them there are many cases where a baby does not have a mother able to breastfeed. *eyes roll out of skull*
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
Yup. My sisters couldn't be breastfed because I had bitten my mum so hard, the teat stopped working.
Jeeveswife
Or how I desperately wanted to but my stupid duds won't make anywhere near enough.
TheArcticAC
I looked her up. She's a professor of philosophy with a master in literature using her title to claim expertise outside of her field
restitutororbusinvictus
Is she wrong about what she is saying? If so, which part(s)?
TheArcticAC
/1 Yes. First of all, mammies is a post war stereotype attempt to whitewash slavery. While black slaves could have domestic duties,
TheArcticAC
/2 including handling the children, using them as wetnurses wasn't a standardized practice. Largely because racism
TheArcticAC
/3 even if it was, doing so wouldn't cause malnutrition. Milk production matches use, which is why twins/triplets can nurse just fine
TheArcticAC
/4 and women will produce milk indefinitely, in fact they don't even have to have given birth, given proper stimulation any woman
sothisishowashitpostfeelslike
(European) I didn't lactate. Neither could my mother or grandmother. It runs in the family. Before formula, my grandfather used to bike...
sothisishowashitpostfeelslike
...to the hospital every day to get surplus pumped milk from new mothers there. Without that, my mother or me would probably not exist.
Rascael
You can't teach any of this in florida because it makes white people uncomfortable... CRT and all that... fucking stupid Republicans...
mohavewolfpup
They aren’t willing to give up the teat /s
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no1uvconsequence
As a cracker ?
Croatoan45
Hell i was uncomfortable reading it but I want to learn more, but Im not stupid like them.
DontPutThatInThere
As a whitey, I eat history like this up mainly because it was denied to my peers and I in school & b/c is critical American history
icommentwithsteveharvey
At the very least, they feel uncomfortable because they recognize it's wrong. I'm surprised they haven't tried idolizing it again
Anju42
When I learned this in school, they taught us about milking cows and let us all make the connection ourselves.
RideTheStimutacs
Sometimes I read that as "Cathode Ray Tubes", but then I realize Republicans probably hate those too because they display deeper blacks.
killinitattheOG
Until the verbage in my curriculum changes I will continue to teach the truth. Not sure what I'll do when it does change.
ColonelColon
While it is pretty fucked up that slave women were forced to become wet nurses, the practice was common for those who could afford it 1)
ColonelColon
before widespread slavery of Africans, they just paid peasant women who had had children recently for it.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Or conscripted the wife of a serf as a wetnurse.
posterr
Not much better than slavery
TheArcticAC
You also don't have to deny anyone's kids nutrition. You just find someone with a kid that is ready to get off it.
telosMoonLord
Yes, and no. 1st, not everyone produces a enough milk for more than one child. 2nd, the milk for neonates is not the same as for toddlers 1/
telosMoonLord
Neonates need more antibodies etc. Milk for toddlers tend to have a higher fat content. Fat content also varies as a function of time.
telosMoonLord
I was a dairy cow, but my sisters in law mostly struggled. All the kids are very healthy and you can't tell which ones were breastfed.
yallmfsneedjesus
Not even that. Boobs work on supply and demand. Up the demand and the supply follows.
chelsiedagger
I hated breastfeeding, it was the worsttttt
AnxiaTeaDD
I had a very difficult time breastfeeding both my kids. My youngest had to stay at the NICU for almost a month because she was born a week1/
AnxiaTeaDD
early and she had 3 pinholes in her heart. Everyone at the hospital made me feel especially like a failure because I wasn’t able to do it.2/
AnxiaTeaDD
So on top of being stressed out over my baby girl I felt like my lack of breast milk was somehow keeping her stuck there. Like maybe if I 3/
AnxiaTeaDD
could breastfeed it would help her get better faster. I know that’s not how it works but that’s how it made me feel.
HoochIsCrazzy
There is a lot of survivor bias in the "just breastfeed" argument as well.
Tootsie1
My younger sister has inverted nipples, nothing for my nephew to latch into. She had to give him formula. He's 27.
junkgoof
It’s not an easy thing to do but consider Nestle did most of the work switching people to formula.
lordretroCartoonGod
My wife couldn't produce enough milk, we had to get formula because our baby was feeding near continuously yet not getting enough
BraveBraveSirRobin
I was so lactose allergic I would scream and ball up after feeding. Without formula, I'd be dead
Hernalser17
I remember the day I decided to add formula - after I had my daughter on my breasts for 11h straight, and still couldn't get her fed...
Totallyscrewedinaustin
Baby was at 4 months and I decided to start her on solids (baby food rice mush) because of the same. Just could not keep her satisfied!
lordretroCartoonGod
The worst part, for us at least, was he was always crying because his little tummy was empty. My wife felt like a failure as a mother.
Hernalser17
My heart goes out to you 3 - it was the same for us. No one in my family understood..they weren't mean about it, but it was extra pressure
MoonMoon89
You're kidding, some people don't know how the female body works?
Munchman347
What he's really saying is that if the woman 'allows' the act to continue, it can't be called rape. A common attitude among assholes...
squidiom
"Freeze" was my #1 response during the majority of violations against my body. Rarely did an alternate choice seem viable, unfortunately =(
squidiom
As I understand it, I'm far from alone. For many people, this is what their fear response tells them will get them through the next moments.
SomeDetroitGuy
It's shocking how many people on Imgur don't realize that the urethra and vagina aren't the same hole.
Superchief86
It used to shock me. Then I realised how much I took my education for granted.
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sweetnaivety
no.. no it doesn't.. peeing feels nothing like my period
DarkAshelin
I find it hard to tell the difference between the holes, as a girl
squidiom
and I would care about that if you thought you were qualified to make critical decisions about women's healthcare and in a position to do so
sweetnaivety
it feels diff to me, but uhhhhhhhhhh also when there's pee and blood coming out at the same time I can look down and see they are separate..
derekjohn
In Britain a woman who breastfed other people's children was called a 'wetnurse' and it was a common profession until (I think) the 1920s.
TheArcticAC
It's been a common profession throughout history in every society, literally. Only way to feed kids whose mothers struggle with it.
RosesareRwby
Dairy farmers probably understand this better than anyone besides a mother.
J1m8ob
Not everyone can breastfeed and HAVE to supplement with formula. It's like some people don't even realize that's a possibility.
AppleJuiceAppleJuiceFlood
Not to mention, some people just can't breastfeed
SlightlyAngryAtAllTimes
I didn't think breastfeeding could be linked to racism but here we are. The more you know, I guess.
squidiom
In America, just about any topic can be linked to racism. It's woven into the tapestry of our past. It's inescapable. Imo we should stop
squidiom
trying to run and face it, even if it is ugly and hard to look at. I don't think we can move forward until we acknowledge the truth.
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
Not only to racism. Wet nurses were a very common thing in the past. The same happened in Europe to many white women.
HulkHooligan
This is very narrow sighted, breastfeeding exists outside slave labor, the example in the tweets is focused on 400 years in a specific >
HulkHooligan
country, when as a species we have been breastfeeding for over 100,000 years all over the world. I think it's very offensive to the people >
HulkHooligan
that suffered as slaves and rape victims to use their tragedy as an argument against breastfeeding
EaNasirIsABastard
I don't think you read that properly, she is saying breast feeding is often impossible and "One of" the answers to what people did in the >
EaNasirIsABastard
past was to have slaves. She is not saying breast feeding is bad, she is saying that the alternatives were often bad.
nemocares
#1 "Wheelchair shortage? Just walk!"
Like2Fox
She was breastfeeding her child "for years"? Did I read that correctly?
SmellingMistake
Hadespuppy
Lots of people breastfeed until the child self-weans. Once they start on solid food, it becomes more a comfort and connection thing.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
Two years is " for years", too. ;)
UnattendedDeviant
The slaves breastfeeding slave owner's kids always hard to understand. Why let someone yousee as subhuman or "lacking" breastfeed your baby?
EaNasirIsABastard
Because the more common solution to the problem was let the baby starve to death.
Armored0Titan0
Consistency is not a common trait for bigots.
squidiom
We let cows and goats feed our children in a similar way.
SmellingMistake
Because they know damn well that they are actually people they just don't care enough to treat them as such.
JudgementalMan
Not saying its wrong but I fail to see the connection?
SaltyEsq
It's imgur, nuff said
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
I get her point but making it only about black ppl is wrong. The same happened in Europe to many white women -wet nurses.
squidiom
I don't think that just because we included black people in the discussion, that this makes the discussion "only about black people".
squidiom
Similar to the vaccine discussion, folks like to coyly ask, "What did we do before formula?" like it's a gotcha. Answer is: terrible things
squidiom
We denied infants nutrition and gave it to others. So "babies died" wasn't the only negative outcome. It's relevant to the formula shortage.
TheArcticAC
Women don't have a timer on how long they produce breastmilk after birth. Wetnurses would be doing their job after their own kid was done
squidiom
Yes, voluntary wet nurses are a thing, absolutely. But in theses cases cited, the wet nurses were not voluntary.
TheArcticAC
Except she doesn't cite anything, there's no scholarly source. She just makes a claim which she has no source nor qualification for
Thisisnotreallymyname
It seems there's a part missing about "not all women produce (enough) breastmilk and so either their babies starve or they find a surrogate"
Thisisnotreallymyname
It's still a very American take though
Armored0Titan0
I mean using slaves/servants for it is hardly a uniquely American trait.
TheArcticAC
The vast majority of people, including in america, didn't have slaves available for it. Wetnursing has been a profession in every society
procrastinatingagain
I was very determined to exclusively breastfeed. It was extremely difficult and a verrrrrry painful. I really wanted to so I forced it to¹
jesuisgur
Depends a lot on the person. Wet nurses have existed forever and most of them weren't forced (inasmuch as having a job is 'forced')
onemariposita
My aunt breastfed her siblings and children as my grandmother couldn't produce milk. It was kind of normal at the time.
Kargathia
We also used to have an infant mortality rate of 1/3. "Tradition" is not a terribly convincing argument in healthcare.
procrastinatingagain
happen. Eventually got the hang of it. I was blown away when I had my subsequent children and I had to relearn it and by babies had to²
procrastinatingagain
learn it completely. Again, very painful and extremely difficult. Infections, blocked ducts, etc. It is not easy. I can't imagine doing³
procrastinatingagain
it for someone else's baby! It can also ruin your teeth and bones because that calcium needs to come from somewhere if it's not in your diet
WhatTheFrench
I didn’t want to do it badly enough to stick with it, but I thought that made me a bad mom and I cried so much. My milk didn’t come in for 2
WhatTheFrench
and a half days, and the nurses at the hospital called my child a “barracuda baby” because he latched on so hard. My nipples were raw and
tanebot
Fed is best. If your baby's getting the food it needs, that's the most important thing. The 'breast is best' gestapo can fuck off.
T3NM1DG3TS
there’s some benefits in terms of immune health and nutrition, but I’m never going to shame anyone who can’t do it for whatever reason
killernerd
For all of this i'm so happy to be a dude. And yes on the teet, my mom had super healthy teeth, 0 cavities, until she got pregnant.
ClessAurion
True, but like with anything else, humans are different. What is difficult and painful for you, was easy and a non-issue for someone else.
procrastinatingagain
Very few.
EmphasisKnown5696
Worst take of the century. "Not everyone has problems so your problem doesn't matter". Some people need formula, that is fact.
misstwosense
Even if you’re right, what the possible fuck do you think this added to the conversation?
Dasiana
yup. and you can't just push the lactation button to turn it back on whenever you feel like it, I think some people are imagining you could
SaltyEsq
Honestly had no idea not all women produced the same amount of milk (if any) until my first kid. Wife produced none. Second: fountain loads
FetteredJuvenescence
You can't just push a button, but most women (And a number of men) can stimulate lactation through suction even if they haven't given birth.
FetteredJuvenescence
It's not a fast process though.
Dasiana
do formula for a year and then just start breastfeeding again within a few days if needed and no big deal
Willowknowsall
Like my milk never came in, I tried nursing, pumping, it's very frustrating and heartbreaking and would be even worse if my babies died bc
ThisIsRidiculous2
Probably the same ppl who think woman can "decide" when to have their period
Lolliepopstand
Actually, you can lactate without ever giving birth: https://www.llli.org/breastfeeding-without-giving-birth-2/
stingingnettlegurlL7
(Enable sarcasm) But womens’ bodies can shut down pregnancy during rape. We can also decide when we get your period.
stingingnettlegurlL7
* our periods
BlueDuckPale
No need for the correction we all know there are no girls on imgur
keenidiot
Heck, some women just are unable to. Or don't produce enough, of it dries up. Happened with my friend and my sisters. I'm a dude and
keenidiot
It always boggles my mind how little other dudes know about their sisters, mothers, wives, girlfriends, and mistresses.
AlreadyWifed
I only got a few months with each of my kids. Formula saved them physically, and me mentally.
qweesdy
By injecting people with a hormone (prolactin) you can turn on lactation; even if someone has never even been pregnant.
Lolliepopstand
No hormones are even required.
stingingnettlegurlL7
Because that’s fun. And not dangerous at all.
thepunnypenguin
This also requires pumping on a strict schedule, ideally under the guidance of a lactation consultant. Not just here’s a shot, boom, milk.
qweesdy
Yes - I think it's a few hormones over a few months, and not without some risk of side effects.
khold90
Yup, basically mimics a pregnancy hormone flood that starts up milk production.
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
This isn't the simple solution you make it sound like.
qweesdy
Didn't say it was simple. Here's some fun: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-males-can-lactate/
thesmelge
So you're saying we should load that stuff into dart rounds and go out hunting republicans?
thesmelge
They think women shouldn't have bodily autonomy? Then they should get used to leaking in all their shirts.
lazerfrog
Or leaking in the shower. Or when you hear a baby cry. Or you thinking about feeding your baby. Suddenly your sitting in a gross wet top.
qweesdy
(for "max. horror human farming"; technically you could put girls in cages, trigger lactation, then milk them for 20+ years).
GreyKnightTemplar666
qweesdy
There's also the "minimum horror" approach to human farming - e.g. https://www.hmbana.org/
no1uvconsequence
I found this link too
imakebuns
Possibly
1pptouch
Like have these people never been around a woman, a dog, or a even a cow before?? It’s basic biology…
telosMoonLord
Link to source please?
Tairu8
They don’t care. It’s surprisingly easy to NOT learn things if you just don’t care/don’t bother to even attempt to retain new information
SolKiwi
ugh, no, sadly most have not in fact even studied basic biology or been around nursing animals where it needed to be explained.
jayman0123
I mean they were eating livestock dewormer last year so...
PoliticalWanderer
A lot of people in our society are disconnected from both the natural world and the human body.
SenorCheezyPoofs
Great post OP. As a male, I know almost nothing about how lactation actually works.Sex Ed only taught us about organs below the belly button
Dasiana
considering how many young men seem to think women pee from their vagina, I think they *havent* been around female mammals enough, no
Soulshade
If us Men had had proper anatomy classes, our first time wouldnt involve our penis starting out about 2-3 inches higher than the entrance
scuuubasteve
Lol
InsertUnimaginativeUsernameHere
It can be confusing to men as women cannot pee since, as we all know, pee is stored in the balls. /s
GreyKnightTemplar666
#sciencefact
stingingnettlegurlL7
Uh. It’s not just young men - but old white crusty lawmakers too.
Deathcameawienering
If they can't sexualize or weaponize it some men just don't care
CaldariBob
We figured it was around there, somewhere...
wellladeedaa
There's quite the gap between "being around" and "caring about anything other than yourself enough to educate yourself to understand them"
Soulshade
There is a massive lack of information about other sexes in the USA. My sex ed courses were masturbation jokes, STDs and wear a condom.
Soulshade
The girls class as far as I knew (was shy as fuck so wouldnt know) was mostly STDs, and periods. (Early 90's) any anatomy was text books
Soulshade
Which did not really do shit for showing what the female anatomy looks like other than the generic ovaries pic
Soulshade
Also still remember my mom having to sign off on sex ed, and her talking with other parents like we were all going to screw for the class
PeterOlintoowesmeacoffee
Isn’t that what Gerber or one of the formula companies did in a 3rd world place? Handed out free samples of formula in hospital wearing 1/?
stingingnettlegurlL7
I did not know about this but I’m not surprised. Thank you for sharing.
Callynd
That was Nestle (also all formula makers, but Nestle is the worst of them).
PeterOlintoowesmeacoffee
The more I learn about nestle, the less I like them.
PeterOlintoowesmeacoffee
White coats like a doctor and then after the mom gets the kid home and runs out of formula they realized they couldn’t lactate and were 2/?
PeterOlintoowesmeacoffee
Forced to buy formula or the baby would starve. Wasn’t until the government stepped in and banned them from wearing white coats at hospital
cfbshank36
Holy fucking shit, I’m not surprised given it’s nestle but still appalled nonetheless. That’s pure evil.
wobblecopterrrr
Nestle is straight up evil.
PeterOlintoowesmeacoffee
That it finally stopped happening. 4/4
Dasiana
https://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scandal-2012-6#still-third-world-women-yearned-for-westernization-4
Dasiana
I didn't know about the white coat bit but yes, it was awful. I don't like that that article repeatedly goes on about how breastfeeding is