Mafias form when the government fails to provide a service. Whether it's drugs or security or murders. That said, corrupt governments learned long ago they can just hire the mob when they need em. Look at Saddam Hussein or putin. Mafia and govt are just two sides of the same coin in a lot of cases.
Hacking is pretty much calling people or working temporarily as a cleaner. In movies, it's tapdancing on a keyboard with topless women prancing around and then you scream "I'm in" and something dumb in a silly accent.
Another point, is that people realized the mafia was always a lot more horrible than what they were portrayed. Soprano's made it so people expect the mob to be complete bastards. You stop having any sympathy at all for them, so they make terrible lead roles in movies.
Scorsese DeNiro Project 17b did well, but it was kinda terrible. They had DeNiro try to beat a shopkeeper’s ass and they would’ve been better off using the Black Panther VFX team than having him shuffle menacingly at a guy
Also, all the classic mafia movies are basically near identical retellings of more or less the same story using the same group of typecast actors as the last movie.
I fucking hate mob movies. Aww, this criminal is sad? Doin crime is haaard. Aw, they killed your brother? Boo fucking hoo. Not to mention now every greaseball "knos ah guy hoo knos a guy."
Maybe alternate countries of origin for the Mafia... I haven't seen many movies about the Norwegian mob called Brorskap (according to Google translate, this means brotherhood)...
I dunno, I think there's some pretty cool stories out there about the intersection of lobbying, thinktanks, politicians, and staffers. But, Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and would much rather regurgitate a comic book story from 30-50 years ago because it's a lot more international story than an American mafia/politics story.
To be fair, the "Mafia aesthetic" was completely fabricated to make a movie more visually interesting because these kinds of parasites have always been dripless losers, government takeover or no.
I remember reading an interview with some former mobster talking about how before The Godfather came out, mobsters would just motherfuck each other left and right because who cares, then they all saw the movie and started emulating it because...having a code of honor sounded cool, I guess.
There was much more nuance than that, During the era of The Commission there was lots of organization and nobody got whacked without permission. The Commission was basically a Mafia UN where the various US crime families kept things organized. Because they were so busy gang warring before that it impacted profits. RICO Act however is what really drove a killing blow to what id call the era of the mob that hollywood idealized. RICO let the feds follow the money and go after the Dons.
Goodfellas probably did a better job showing their violence than The Godfather did. Today of course we have documentaries that show the realities of organized crime and that is honestly more interesting than fictional movies. I mean seriously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untold:_Crimes_%26_Penalties if you tried to sell that to a studio they would laugh you out of the office.
Goodfellas was better than most because it was based on a true story. I read the book. Pretty interesting read even if Hill was full of shit most of the time.
StellarJay77
Because all we have to do is turn on C-SPAN if we want to watch a Mafia movie.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
Mafia DOES exist, but it just got a lot of competition.
rbudrick
Mafias form when the government fails to provide a service. Whether it's drugs or security or murders. That said, corrupt governments learned long ago they can just hire the mob when they need em. Look at Saddam Hussein or putin. Mafia and govt are just two sides of the same coin in a lot of cases.
Tarmaccian
Current organized crime activities heavily focus on “buy malware on website”, “spread malware on rented botnet”, and “collect ransom cryptocurrency”.
Not terribly entertaining.
jekath
Hacking is pretty much calling people or working temporarily as a cleaner. In movies, it's tapdancing on a keyboard with topless women prancing around and then you scream "I'm in" and something dumb in a silly accent.
martineb72
Another point, is that people realized the mafia was always a lot more horrible than what they were portrayed. Soprano's made it so people expect the mob to be complete bastards. You stop having any sympathy at all for them, so they make terrible lead roles in movies.
johnblood616
So so so so many people idolize Tony Soprano
StatisticallyInsignificantCanadian
Boring answer: Martin Scorsese is 83.
VinchVolt
and francis ford coppola is 87 and... in a state where he's better off retiring to his vineyard.
JStengah
It's kinda played out. They moved on to cartels for a bit.
illegalacorn
I still think Netflix’s Narcos series is top-tier
230Grams
The Alto Knights (2025)
EroticZombiePants
It completely bombed, so maybe that's not the greatest example.
wadatahmydamie
Scorsese DeNiro Project 17b did well, but it was kinda terrible. They had DeNiro try to beat a shopkeeper’s ass and they would’ve been better off using the Black Panther VFX team than having him shuffle menacingly at a guy
thedarkcanuck
Also, all the classic mafia movies are basically near identical retellings of more or less the same story using the same group of typecast actors as the last movie.
johnblood616
I fucking hate mob movies. Aww, this criminal is sad? Doin crime is haaard. Aw, they killed your brother? Boo fucking hoo. Not to mention now every greaseball "knos ah guy hoo knos a guy."
drousnavat
Theoretically, we could still do movies set in the past and alternate time lines.
JaimeLannistersRightHand
Maybe alternate countries of origin for the Mafia... I haven't seen many movies about the Norwegian mob called Brorskap (according to Google translate, this means brotherhood)...
wadatahmydamie
lol “What If?” But with car bombings and shit
HonestCommentFarmer
I dunno, I think there's some pretty cool stories out there about the intersection of lobbying, thinktanks, politicians, and staffers. But, Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and would much rather regurgitate a comic book story from 30-50 years ago because it's a lot more international story than an American mafia/politics story.
RecurringNightmare
i mean, house of cards was pretty successful as a series...so there definitely is a market...
Sotai
To be fair, the "Mafia aesthetic" was completely fabricated to make a movie more visually interesting because these kinds of parasites have always been dripless losers, government takeover or no.
InfocalypseRising
I remember reading an interview with some former mobster talking about how before The Godfather came out, mobsters would just motherfuck each other left and right because who cares, then they all saw the movie and started emulating it because...having a code of honor sounded cool, I guess.
batcountry808
They'd still motherfuck each other left and right - they just started talking like that's not what they were doing
Filanwizard
There was much more nuance than that, During the era of The Commission there was lots of organization and nobody got whacked without permission. The Commission was basically a Mafia UN where the various US crime families kept things organized. Because they were so busy gang warring before that it impacted profits. RICO Act however is what really drove a killing blow to what id call the era of the mob that hollywood idealized. RICO let the feds follow the money and go after the Dons.
Filanwizard
Goodfellas probably did a better job showing their violence than The Godfather did. Today of course we have documentaries that show the realities of organized crime and that is honestly more interesting than fictional movies. I mean seriously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untold:_Crimes_%26_Penalties if you tried to sell that to a studio they would laugh you out of the office.
wadatahmydamie
Goodfellas was better than most because it was based on a true story. I read the book. Pretty interesting read even if Hill was full of shit most of the time.
His cookbook though, that thing is rock solid
BranDohCalrissian
The Sopranos cookbook slaps, too.