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So apparently China are now demanding a public apology for a drawing in the Danish newspaper Jyllandsposten (same paper that printed the infamous Muhammad pictures some years ago). Really?! Let's make this flag go as viral as Winnie the Pooh.
Danish sauce: https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2020-01-28-kina-forlanger-offentlig-undskyldning-for-tegning-i-jyllands-posten
DonKeedik
The Danish gov arent responsible for that their people say. But the chinese gov is responsible for how healthy their people are.
Djchoragos
Haha thank you Jyllands Posten. I’m very proud of my adoptive country sometimes. Now let’s hope they don’t fold and apologise
HatefulViking
Well you live in a country that can take a punch. Denmark couldnt defend for more than 4 hours, last it was attack. All talk, no action
Kateness
Chief editor made a public statement that that's not gonna happen. They didn't fold on the Muhammed drawings, and they won't on this either.
Djchoragos
Good for them. JP isn’t my favourite paper but respect where respect is due
LiarLiarPantsUntier
China, as a Dane, let me express this from the bottom of my heart.
BoltAurelius
'Lets make this flag go viral' says OP.
AlvardReynolds
China is asshoe, but people are dying and I don't buy the awareness bullshit. This is just a bad taste joke.
meanartcritic
The article states the newspaper was trying to showcase the virus being battled in china. china took offence since its making them look bad
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Eeeh, it's possible I missed something but I don't see anything re. "newpaper trying to showcase" mentioned, only talk about the picture.
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
the danish showing them trying to combat the disease made them look bad...so the chinese decided to make themselves look worse?
meanartcritic
Nobody said China's government was smart
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
well the chinese govt did, but only north korea backed that up. everyone else politely disagreed
Meqad
China: *demands apology*, Denmark: *laughs in Muhammed-drawings*
CommunCreator
Now we need a drawing of Winnie the Pooh fucking Muhammad up the ass.
tygerpsimatrix
Denmark: *raughing roudry*
Anamethatwasntused
Winnie the Flu.
tygerpsimatrix
narcoleptiKnickers
3D Chess level of meme
Bralyan
ITellBadPuns
FlyingButtPliers
I've been using Pooh Flu but I like yours better
OnlyFunAtAll
Sorry
Vyrro
I hope they apologize to the PEOPLE of china for having to live under an authoritarian regime
necessaryweevil
world: we told u not to eat wierd shit! china:
HatefulViking
And that was how we lost denmark lost it pandas
YukonFox
Eating weird food is one thing, not cooking it or eating weird stuff that is raw is another though
PicassoCT
Okay, here is the deal.. i quit tomorrow- but today, i get to try this exotic, new meat coming out of wuhan, limited time only.. deal?
necessaryweevil
unconfirmed, virus most likely passed on via air droplets at wet market. if china controlled selling of exotic animals, would we be in shit?
fallenman479
Stomping around in animal fluids and not cleaning anything properly is the problem. Same thing caused SARS. China don't care.
gearsmith
A clever and witty political statement in a simplistic design. I love it.
vauhtihirmu
What is the political statement here though? That there's a virus outbreak in China? Maybe I'm missing something.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
That's an important nuance going forward! There was no outright statement, it was just "an observation on current events", as is tradition.
VresiBerba
And that is appropriate, how? A similar observation on current events would have similar cartoon, just with an Australian flag with ->
VresiBerba
-> burning koalas. But, lol, right? Funny as hell, rolf-lol!!
lordbane0100
Oh the Streisand Effect is gonna bite China in the ass so hard on this one
JHawke
Dunno, they can easily block a single image in their great firewall. I wouldn't go as far as calling it deliberate, but making specifically>
lordbane0100
The point is that most of the world wouldnt have seen this, but now that they called attention to it, everyone will see it.
JHawke
I doubt anyone who sees this will form a new opinion. It's not exactly the first time they did this, and it's not exactly the worst they do>
JHawke
> at this point you either dislike china, don't give a shit, or have your head VERY far in the sand.
JHawke
> this one viral... just means they don't have to do as much effort hunting down the rest.
Krycodin
Everybody was kung flu fighting...
AdolfWernhervonBraunschweigerIII
Surely not EVERYBODY was kung flu fighting?
NotTinyPancakes
do do do do do do do doo
Krycodin
?
thatssnotmyname
Could we at the same time remember when the danish police removed protesters carrying tibetan flags during a chinese state visit?
Mithrilchu
Update: the danish prime minister have defended media's right to freedom of speech. but did not comment on the drawing.
jalapenobaconpoutine
Kung hei bat soup!
Wegur
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
I know it's satire but he's stupid enough to say it.
Sauroctonus
That's kinda part of the reason it spread in the first place.
vauhtihirmu
I thought that was the case with one of the previous outbreaks, but now China has been pretty forthcoming in comparison?
Colopty
That's pretty much what actually happened though.
Wegur
yea sad true is that The Onion can't compete with reality
R1ck77
Isn't it viral enough?
sutats
The Danish are masters of political art
VresiBerba
Political? There's nothing political about this in any way or form. It's a 'neener-neener, you're dying to a virus :P'.
LiarLiarPantsUntier
And we value freedom of speech as high as many value religion.
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
this? art? it doesnt even say anything, just 'China has virus lol' the fact it impresses many shows how we're descending into an idiocracy
LiarLiarPantsUntier
Are you aware of Rauschenberg’s white paintings? This is art without question, but whether it’s good or bad, that’s a matter of opinion. 1/2
LiarLiarPantsUntier
Sad to say; you shunning it by stating it as not being art is the true path to idiocracy my friend. 2/2
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
its not art, its topical and mildly referential at best, it required no conceptual or technical brilliance.
LiarLiarPantsUntier
Art doesn’t require neither conceptual or technical brilliance.
LightningMcQueef
Need to add Winnie the Pooh to this flag
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
winnie the flu*
ITellBadPuns
Lollooooo
To be fair people are dying, as much as China can be a dick it's not really funny
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
The picture is not funny because it didn't meant to be, but people here think it might be funny to make this viral, and that is wrong.
CommentBot3000
It's not a funny picture, it's a commentary on current events. <= Paraphrase of what the paper said.
VresiBerba
Comment on current events my ass, this is the same paper that made the Muhammad caricatures. You think the world and indeed imgur would ->
VresiBerba
->LOL their asses off if that paper published a picture of the Hinomaru going down in a flood of water during the 2011 tsunami?! They ->
VresiBerba
-> would've been lynched,and for good reason but somehow it's open season on China. What's next,burning koalas on an Aussie flag? LOL,right!
CommentBot3000
It's what the paper said in response. Either way the Chinese troll army has been out in full force..
RunsWithScizrs
The amount of people who don't get that they're not making fun (it's political commentary) is astounding.
VresiBerba
Not as astoundingly stupid as yourself thinking it's a political post when the editor of the paper has categorically denied that it is.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
English source: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-complains-after-danish-newspaper-publishes-image-of-chinese-flag-with
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
wow they really look like they're taking chinas side on this one. pussies
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Uuuuh, they're just quoting the embassy's statement and adding the 2005 context. First and last paragraph seem perfectly neutral?
Thesaya
Too bad it doesn't have any of the in depth explanation that the Danish source does.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Indeed. But the TL;DR works, and it was one of the few sources in English that Google had detected 8 hours ago. That has changed since :-)
jekath
On behalf of the Danish people: I kan rende mig, Kina!
HatefulViking
Are you going to give a better challange than what you gave the germans?
haroldmann
What this guy said!
BronzeLeaguePro
Du vet at de kommer til å gjøre det...
jekath
De sagde aldrig undskyld for Muhammedtegningerne, selv om de blev truet med bomber. Jeg tror ikke de gør det for den her tegning.
BronzeLeaguePro
Jeg tenkte på kineserene, ikke Jyllandsposten.
hezroncarverofgravenimages
The forced Trey Parker and Matt Stone to apologise, so why not Denmark?
TheCarolingian
A heartfelt apology https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGS6BaHVUAEjRaL.jpg
RootEnoch
China:
Empher
Did they?
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
"apology" is such a vague word you know?
Bukulu
Oh yeah they did. Another commenter posted the "apology", its beautiful
Ruudeboy
In Denmark, the government is not responsible for what people say or their artistic expression, because you know, freedom of speech
Passauf
I think we have something similar in US. ERRRR maybe not.
justtruth
Karen is just asking for a manager
VodkaReindeer
Kinda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#Denmark
Verldemert
Which is great. But way too many assholes in Denmark think that Freedom of Speach means 1) zero responsibility and 2) only applies to them.
Nubsva
The apology is being asked from the newspaper though, not government.
FlyingButtPliers
Add a Pooh sneezing to it. ?
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
this? this counts as a joke these days? its not even remotely clever, just 'topical' damn this community has gotten dumb
FlyingButtPliers
It was supposed to be on a different comment but thin skinned leaders are funny. How can you be in charge of a country but insecure?
EvilPidgey
AIComments
You'd like to think that, wouldn't you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9#Denmark
Chainhealer
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions?wprov=sfla1a
ofthelathetheswarf
Sooo wjats your point? Every country has libel laws.
AIComments
https://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/art4998810/COP-15-activists-in-legravese-majest%C3%A9-case "Charged with lèse majesté"
LurkerOfDarkness
Which is a subsection under libel laws, still doesn't infringe on the constituions paragraph 77.
ZLOK
Statements under danish libel laws must be denigrating and provably false. You're welcome to write "I think the queen is stupid."
bobbob1016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_Denmark "...yet under responsibility to the courts..."
bobbob1016
I hope it's a bad translation, but it sounds like that comedian in Canada being sued for $40k over a joke.
ZLOK
It's not, but it "only" covers child pornography, state secrets, copyrighted material, hatespeech and libel ( Must be provably false.)
ZLOK
Hatespeech has to specificly denigrate people based on race or religion. Libel must be a denigration statement that is provably false.
ZLOK
In short "your mom smells" is fine, "the queen of Denmark is an idiot" is fine, but "bobbob's face is lopsided" is not.
AskingTheRealQuestions
To be perfectly fair, they're demanding an apology from the newspaper and not the Danish government.
SexualPeanut
And?
AskingTheRealQuestions
China is not holding the Danish government responsible, but the Danish newspaper. This comment therefore makes little sense.
AskingTheRealQuestions
And before you go off on a tagent here, I'm not supporting their reaction, but it's against the newspaper, not the govt as many here think.
asmpsUnityDog
China still doesn't get that as a concept.
MagiicHat
Might makes right.
asmpsUnityDog
What are the chances the coronavirus will thin their numbers.
LurkerOfDarkness
They understand it, it's just not something they want or like.
DIINKELBERG
I will never trust someone who thinks that an animal got no feelings
BadlyUsernameCera
First thing they can't copy.
OneZebraInAHerdOfWildebeests
Could LeBron James apologize on behalf of the Danish?
AskingTheRealQuestions
To be fair, they're demanding an apology from the newspaper and not the Danish government.
iConfirmAnythingAndEverything
To be fair, the newspaper follow Danish laws and don't answer to China.
AskingTheRealQuestions
To be fair, I'm perfectly aware of that and never said nor suggested anything else, so not sure who you're talking to.
iConfirmAnythingAndEverything
Don't be offended it's for the people passing by.. just like yours
Billie2feathers
Nothings fair with the Chinese Gov't! China ass hoe!
FrogBotherer
It's that tricky first word, isn't it? "Freedom... free-dom? Nope never heard of it".
FlaccidHamster
free-dom. Free to dominate the public. @__@ yes yes. that must be it.
AlienWatcher
They don't have "Freedom of speech", they fave "Doom speech". I mean, there are just a few letters missing so it"s not that a big of a .....
AlienWatcher
.... difference. Right? (stupid character limit)
KindofaBadPerson
"You want Free-dom? Too bad! You get Captive-sub!"
SaphirasSexDoll
Paid-sub works, too.
sophiachan213
Unpaid-sub would be more chinese
Justsomedude223
Paid Dom's if you want real results... Wait what
Ruudeboy
They could ask for an apology from the newspaper, but the country doesn't decide what its citizens say.
bobbob1016
According to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_Denmark their courts kinda do. Hoping it's a bad translation, but...
bobbob1016
...Wikipedia refers to ppl being concerned about that line. To me it reads like the Canadian comedian getting fined $40k for a joke.
thedelicatesnowflake
They don't have to follow Chinese law and China knows it so they try to put on an international pressure at least. Same thing happened 1/2
thedelicatesnowflake
With Prague and China trying to force Czech government to change Prague stance 2/2
DecapitatedJizzWizard
We shouod demand little china to appilogize for existing.
Sauroctonus
Can we demand them to apologise for trying to erase their own rich history?
Nubsva
That is actually what they're asking for, apology from the newspaper, not the government.
AskingTheRealQuestions
They are asking the newspaper, not the Danish government. Chinese govt sucks, but let's not get too carried away with the China bashing.
Goldensands
You genuinely believe that? Doesn’t seem like chinas style m8.
AskingTheRealQuestions
I'm a Norwegian and I know that all too well, as China boycotted Norwegian salmon due to the Nobel Peace Prize, but that was a lot more
AskingTheRealQuestions
controversial than this, and the Nobel Peace Prize Committee is appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, so there's more conflation there.
AskingTheRealQuestions
That is literally what they're doing, though. They're demanding an apology from the newspaper, not the Danish government.
AskingTheRealQuestions
But knowing China right, they have no problem severing relations with Danish government over this, but that is a separate discussion.
Goldensands
Precisely. Just because they ask for an apology from the newspaper don’t mean they aren’t fully expecting the government to force it
ithadtobesaidapparently
This was my thought too. They can’t demand an apology, but they can ask for it. By law anything can be bublished. It doesn’t mean it should.
SarcasticComment
Where can I get my thoughts bublished? At the nearest bublishing house?
ithadtobesaidapparently
Heh! Sorry ;)
memeMyselfAnEye
Too late for ablubbogies
TickTockWiggleStick
I’m waiting for my gazillion dollars from Bublishers House Giveaway but so far all I’ve gotten is Bubblicious bubble gum!
Sheepyhead
Actually there are plenty sensible restrictions on free speech here in terms of hate speech, slander and libel, etc.
ltcwheatex
Hate speech? Hardly sensible. It’s too slippery a slope. I would argue that your statement is hate speech itself but you have a right to
ltcwheatex
Say it, IMO.
Thornaxe
If freedom of speech doesn’t allow someone to say something disgusting, then it’s not working. Most rights are two edged swords.
Sheepyhead
Hatespeech laws are extremely sensible after what we learned from the rise of fascism. Doesn't mean just anything can be hatespeechobviously
Sheepyhead
That is a bad faith argument, and literally nobody would argue for everything being hatespeech.
DongSayaDae
He didnt say hate speech was sensible, he called the restrictions to it sensible. And to be fair - anything that limits what you can say
DongSayaDae
is in the way of free speech. That said - i am allowed to say f.e. "death to jews" on the street, but im not free from the repercussions of
DongSayaDae
such offensive behaviour. Either way - the guy you argued didnt have any hate speech, he just said theres sensible restrictions to
ltcwheatex
Sorry, but IMO, the restrictions to it are not sensible. I realize what he said and I may not have been clear. I don’t agree that
DongSayaDae
That makes sense, the way you worded it made it seem like to me that you thought hate speech was what wasnt sensible
beaubrent
How about the Chinese government apologise for allowing terrible market hygiene conditions that keeps breeding new viruses like this?!
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
see all of the US food production.
QuicheAdvisor9
And for killing dogs!!!!
uhuhuuhuuuuAahAaaaaahAAAAAAAh
how is killings dogs worse than killing cows and pigs
rando84
For one, they’re not actually farmed. Dog meat always involves either stolen pets or stray street dogs. There are absolutely no safeguards(1
rando84
from a food safety perspective (the poison used by thieves to kill pets has shown up in it). That notwithstanding, dogs co-evolved with (2
rando84
humans as hunting partners & companions, not livestock. Seems like a cosmic abuse of trust to me. (3
imakeurglassesfoggy
All countries kill dogs, some just eat them afterwards
AlyasMadulas
Funny how the word “asshoe” is now associated with the Chinese government.
ViolentlyOfferingBeerToSheep
i still see it as the prostitute who only does anal. or alternatively, a farming insteument used to hit people's rears
Bukulu
Well duh, China is asshoe
GeneralRaven
Part One: Don't Trust China
kratlusker96
Because they are asshoe?
racknoz
Because they are asshoe.
DrDadJokes
a well deserved owned title
onefukkedduck
someone needs to check in on that guy and make sure he hasn't committed suicide yet
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Nah, he hasn’t offended the clintons yet.
BishlamekGurpgork
Shot himself in the back five times.
Billie2feathers
I dont know, did he insult the Clintons too?
BOSSMOPS
With his non dominant hand
DeviatedPrevert
i guess i don't understand what the comment is supposed to be ... but fuck china for thinking it deserves an apology
breezybriv
If they are suppressing the stats of the damn thing like we all suspect then honestly, I want a fucking apology.
SlappySamsonite
*butt
shakawhenthewallsfel
fallenman479
ptenopus
In China, "hurting feelings" is literally a crime, depending on who's feelings you hurt. Usually those in the CCP.
rkhale01
Fuck the CCP
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Sometimes it's directly "poking a stick at someone", other times it's just putting a satirical spin on current events. This is the latter.
necessaryweevil
china is 100% to blame, imho. they should be apologetic. no right to be offended.
kyraun
Chinese flag but y'know... infected with the corona virus
DeviatedPrevert
right, i got that, but what is the commentary? what does that represent?
TinyLiehon
The four dots represent the virus spreading from China onward
naaninn
I guess it's the same as those Iranian students (not) stepping on the American flag. Something something respect...
kyraun
After giving it a read it seems the paper used the drawing, not to mock the current situation in China, but to spread awareness. /2
Schaade
Spreading awareness instead of disease. Hey China, give it a try sometime.
kyraun
The Chinese government of course took offence to this and are now demanding an apology from a foreign paper.
PoonTangClan
"so, solly, china" signed: the world
purgethefilthyheretics
Spread awareness about what? The virus? Isn’t it overblown enough as it is?
verbatim155
They're reporting on it and needed a suiting picture, that's all.
Schaade
Can't tell if it's overblown because no one trusts China's statistics.
se24990
It's more along the lines of the shear arrogance of trying to get a foreign paper in a free country to apologize for an editorial cartoon.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Here's a less fuzzy version of the picture:
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Gagerith
McGreed
I created an alternative version of it to use against China's reaction: https://imgur.com/KBzFlli
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Oh boy, some people are not gonna like that. Go forth and spread your fuckery to other posts as well. There are a couple on FP.
McGreed
Hehe, tough, I put this under artistic freedom and political statements and they can, well, go fuck themselves if they are bothered.
JesusFitzgeraldChrist
I wish we could make this the top Google result for "Chinese flag".
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
woah such brave. what a hero!
yangshaw8
So I guess disregard what happened, a tragic virus is a joke to you right?
jakeinthehood
Ausmerica
...but, they didn't make a joke?
BOSSMOPS
First day huh...
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
Lol
DyloMods
Stop being so fuzzy... Damn
VesselOfHate
Thanks joke police.
ptenopus
Bad Wumao! Bad!
Jenjidai
I like, how some people try to hide incompetence of a state behind victims. Virus isn't a joke, State of China itself is a joke.
ZestyMelons
Let's settle down a bit China, okay?
DrMephistopheles
It’s infographic to me not a mock
ThatsFactual
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
How is this picture disregarding what happened? And how is it a joke (as opposed to just an observation)?
Medria
They don't exactly represent the voice of the Danes, all they care about is selling newspapers, and as with all media, "clickbait" works
eggmuffin
They also don't take hush-money from China.
SpecialProjectY
They do have a point, china has a weird policy of not informing public about plague outbreak and getting away with it scots free.
Malibloo
I guess disregarding world safety and lying about the real circumstances is a joke to you, right?
Gerferkyerserf
I guess this is all just a joke to you right? ?
SaltFlats
HorusDidNothingWrong
TheBerzerkir
I'm blood ravening this
HorusDidNothingWrong
ThirtySix
Isnt this disrespectful to the victims of the virus
TBJ1118
You need to get a bit less offended by stuff and get your hands dirty helping FOR REAL, not patronizing on the internet.
Malibloo
And why do you think ridiculing China with current events is disrespectful when China IS ridiculing current events?
Goldensands
It’s meant as satire on current events. Thus it symbolises what’s happening. Any offence taking from it is voluntary on yours and their part
Jenjidai
IsNt ThIs DiSrEsPeCtFuL tO tHe ViCtImS oF tHe ViRuS
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Well, a lot of people seem to think so. If you're asking my opinion; no, I don't think so.
GnomeDeGuerre
What disrespect is there? It is a mentioning of the virus and the location of it. Is that wrong? Were the articles in JP respectful?
Victrix
And trying to censor media surrounding the virus isn't disrespectful to the victims?
SouperScott
Not defending either side, but it doesn't need to be race to be the shittiest.
ThirtySix
If you call asking for an apology for a disrespectful publication "censorship" then you are widely off the mark
GnomeDeGuerre
https://qz.com/1000541/norway-wants-china-to-forget-about-the-human-rights-thing-and-eat-salmon-instead/
lTookTheCookieFromTheCookieJar
If you think that's all they're doing, then YOU are widely off the mark. CCP has been trying to censor social media to curb discussion of it
lTookTheCookieFromTheCookieJar
Among other things, like arresting people trying to talk about how serious it really is in China because it makes CCP look bad.
GnomeDeGuerre
Do you believe they are just asking? Experience contradicts that.
ThirtySix
They can do nothing BUT ask. I dunno what experience youre on about tbh
GuitarCzar
Still protected under freedom of speech in the US, i imagine Denmark has a similar system
GnomeDeGuerre
§ 77 of our constitution.
ThirtySix
I am speaking morally, you are speaking legally. Don't equate the two
Jenjidai
Are you aware what morality is, at least?
GuitarCzar
The legality is about all we can really debate. Honestly it comes off as insincere when we've seen how China values the lives of its people
ThirtySix
How is it insincere when i have not justified what china has done? Your whataboutism is meaningless here