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lifeisadadjoke
In less than 30 years, American schools will be teaching students that "Jesus" is the answer to every question EXCEPT "Who was the greatest person/president/superhero/saviour of the world with the enormous penis?"..."DJT, who in fact is a better answer than 'Jesus'".
dudehiemer
Do you really think the US or any US State government wants the truth taught?
qshamtech
Naww let’s just forget that anything and everything terrible didn’t happen. That way we won’t remember it so how could it ever happen again. /s
DriverIRQnotlessOrEqual
Sure along with the Japanese internment camps mistreatment of Chinese immigrants during the creation of the trans continental railroad
MirroredImage
I still remember my 4th grade textbook saying they were happy friends with the colonists and "agreed to move" so we could have their land. That was in the late 90s.
As one can guess, they did not agree. Not even the government deemed that particular thievery legal, they just didn't bother to step in.
Nothing else, like any actual details beyond the trail of tears being a name for a bad thing, was taught. Everything I know as an adult was something I learned myself.
MrFancyPanzer
SteveMND
Is this not taught anymore?
CoachMcgurl
Only 4k? That number seems a bit low.
Heffaloo
That's an estimated number of deaths on the actual march. There's another approximately 10k during the round up before hand.
HurkWurk
I learned about it in 6th grade, what changed?
MrFancyPanzer
When was this?
quade
I remember learning about this in elementary school in Arkansas.
GullahGullahIslander
Of course! Also the holocaust...I've heard some US curriculums no longer require it...thanks GOP /S
JackalopeElope
It is. My middle school had a whole semester about just native nations and how they interacted with the US.
NJCabinetGuy
redrumridesagain
We learned about it in elementary school. I grew up in an area that was majority Cherokee.
TurnsOut42WasASlightMiscalculation
Do you mean the area was majority Cherokee when you were in school, or prior to the Trail of Tears?
Problemwoodchuck
kid: If it wasn't so bad, why call it the Trail of Tears?
Teacher: That's a paddlin'
nowinsituation
Is it not? Is there a ban on teaching it? Like, why are you claiming this an issue?
nowinsituation
Also, I recall the number was way higher-
Buef0rd
I'm with this guy. Do they not teach the relocation act or the following war and battles? For reference I'm in the heart of Sioux territory so learning about it was just an extension of our local history.
CheesecakePi
I honestly have started to wonder if people are conflating "kids today aren't being taught (insert topic)" with "my kid didn't pay attention in history class". Because if I had a dollar for every one of these that I know for a FACT is taught in public schools in my state (which have been Republican controlled for longer than I've been alive), I probably would be rich enough that I wouldn't need to stress about my bills anymore.
Psionickitten
Select schools as far back as the late 90s (by my verifiably given that's when my partner went to school and wasn't taught it, it could have been earlier.) started not teaching it and that number has risen. Note that my partner learned about it outside of schools and when contradicted the teachers she was sent to the principal's office for trying to say that it did happen. It's worth acknowledging that even if there isn't an official ban that doesn't mean there isn't a silencing and rewriting.
InfocalypseRising
Probably the recent frenzy in red states to stop teaching history and pretend slavery was a "jobs program" and basically never acknowledge the USA has ever done anything bad.
nowinsituation
In most red states the issue is teaching the kids to read and write- it is a very difficult task considering their genetic disabilities and limitations....so you have to have a compassionate understanding view of the issue...you should see this great docudrama called "Deliverance"- it really shows you how hard it is in the red states.
cyborganism
They don't even want to talk about slavery in schools. What makes you think they'll want to talk about this? (they totally should though)
Kyzyl
Another important lesson to learn from this: The Supreme Court has no actual enforcement mechanism for their decisions. If people want to, they can just ignore shit they don't like.
[good luck with that]
plasteredpenguin
They definitely covered this in my school but education varies so greatly between districts. My hubs had never heard about the partition of Germany or the Berlin airlift...
TurnsOut42WasASlightMiscalculation
Some of us never got far into the 20th century in our US History classes. We used to joke that it was because, to our (quite old) teacher, it wasn't history.
XeononSolomon
And it didn't just start or end there. When Columbus came to the Americas it is estimated there were between 50-150 million people living in North and South America. They enslaved, and genocided entire continents. They brought over slaves from Africa and even once freed millions continued to terrorize the black community for over a century. They stole land from Mexico. They invaded Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Cuba, Philippines and then stole their wealth and sterilized their women. It's all connected.
XeononSolomon
For Forever your boss could beat you, fire you, kill you if you so much as said a bad thing or looked in their direction. America is rotten at the core and it goes beyond one man or one political party.
IDontCareAtAllButIShould
I knew about it but I didn't learn it in school. Back in the 60s.
HapilyDamaged
hey it's the FSM priest in the wild! Bless his Noodly Appendage!
charondaboatman
I learned about it in the 60s.
HapilyDamaged
Yes
igoslow
This stain was created by Andrew Jackson.
ByronGetronfree
Is he still on the $20? Or did they finally replace him with Harriet Taubman as was mooted at one point?
Heffaloo
Too many people still hero-worship Jackson for being so personally prone to violence, so he's still on the twenty. My father (a Cheyenne) always organized his wallet so the twenties were upside down.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Of course it should, it's history.
doccynical
But it might make a white person feel bad so obviously it should only be a university level course until that can also be cancelled for being woke or some shit.
Fanner50
Well, we have to stop expecting people to feel guilt about something done by their preceding relatives.
alt86er
Seriously: What does the color of the skin have to do with feeling bad about that? Do you really think, that a Brazilian or a Chinese or a Kongolese would not feel bad about that whole ordeal, if told about it? Do you think anyone in their right mind would think: »Hey, that's a fascinating story, very uplifting!« I think it would only be a problem for those, that would repeat the same atrocities. And I say, stick it to those. The rest will not have a problem with that.
TurnsOut42WasASlightMiscalculation
I think you're missing that the white people might feel bad *because the white man was responsible for it* not because it was a bad thing that happened. (And they would (and should) feel bad whether they would repeat the atrocities or not.)
alt86er
And you are missing the second part of my argument: That's precisely the kind of vanity shit that makes people come up with the notion, that there are situations, where this kind of action is OK. If it's more important to so someone, that they effortlessly identify with the perpetrators because they share the same skin color, then they would do it all over again. Because this abstract »us« is more important to them, then doing the right thing. Read: They are fascists.
woozle
saw a textbook where it said "they agreed to move" to make room for settlers.
Ice2Ice2
That's sad...
HapilyDamaged
well not before they kindly taught them about how to grow crops by adding a fish to the corn seed to provide food for it to grow bigger!
woozle
and they gave out popcorn at the first Thanksgiving with the pilgrims! aaahhhh, harmony.
HapilyDamaged
/s and they were such giving folks that welcomed us. Taught us how to hunt turkey. that's why we called it thanksgiving!
RetrogradeLlama
No can do. Also, please don't ask about slavery in the South.
Thanks,
Conservatives
broote
They have a rich history of job creators in the south
TurnsOut42WasASlightMiscalculation
Didn't say anything about *paid* jobs
RetrogradeLlama
Yes, the slaves learned valuable skills. We know. /S
Clockworkdancerobot
This is your reminder that text books are almost exclusively produced in Texas, where conservatives have tried to dictate creationism, intelligent design, and many other far worse things to obscure the horrors of history. So schools are forced to only have their shit to teach.
XeononSolomon
I encourage everyone to read Settlers. It gives a history of the US through the eyes of the oppressed and gives a totally different pov on American history.
FishieStardust
Had a teacher in middle school talking about how so and so, and so and so lived to be 800+ years old. Now I'm pretty sure she was talking about biblical people. She was an odd one. Also encouraged us to throw a cd in our microwaves to see what happens. Of course I did, and luckily my parents caught that right away as the sparks started to go off
Clockworkdancerobot
Teachers are a mixed bag like all people. We treat education poorly and neglect it like we do the medical field.
FishieStardust
I agree. Both fields, which are so necessary and partially rely on some of the workers' passion for the career, get stretched so thin
Clockworkdancerobot
Problems come when those in charge rely on that passion and dedication to not pay them right and intentionally stretch them thin. Then they get blamed for speaking up
FishieStardust
Oh snap, my employer just walked through the door