Jeremy Carl? Jewish by birth, changed his name and his religion to fit in with the racists that would eviscerate him if they truly had power. A "pick me". Racially impure, according to their standards. They would put his teeth on the curb. Meanwhile, the AIPAC Repugs also hate him for being openly racist to Jews. He cannot win with anyone but Donald "I have no real ideals" Trump who makes snap judgements on a person based on one soundbyte.
MAGA has a pamphlet that they hand out to every GOP in politics. First chapter goes something like “when being asked a question, say “thank you for the question”. It’s a stall technique. Next say one of the following responses, “I’ll have to look into it”, or “I’m not aware of that”, or “I haven’t been following that” or “I hadn’t heard about that”. Chapter two, how to brown nose effectively.
My only problem with this is that Kaine's approach does not make space for whatever this guy's actual argument is. If it's a bad argument, reveal it then attack it. Means you have to reveal not just the conclusion but the evidence they use to arrive at that conclusion.
If they can't string those pieces together, great, reveal THAT.
French guy here, why do people keep arguing with such dumbasses ? I mean, it's not because the is elected in any way that he's qualified for the job. Maybe some background check could be useful ? (psychiatric and other appropriate things ?).
It is mostly for the audience. So that these people can't hide their shit belief behind sweet lies and smokescreens and that the general public sees them a bit more like they are. It's not much, but better than just letting them completely hide what they are really standing for.
And it might help to counter their propaganda technique to just repeat their brazen lies again and again, until everyone believes them just out of habit. So it's like "Wait, that doesn't make any sense at all!"
ok, so... the US president (yeah, THAT guy) nominated this chode (Jeremy Carl) for a State dept. job. It's at least de rigueur to have a hearing and question the nominee (or just talk at them, your choice) before they need to be confirmed by (in this case) the US Senate.
So with the questioner here, (Sen. Tim Kane, Hillary Clinton's choice for VP,) it's not so much an argument as putting Carl's whole schtick on trial, making it look fundamentally ridiculous.
Notice how whoever the fuck this guy is shifted the definition with the only time he pointed at anything specific. He didn't say there were no "whites" in Biden's cabinet. He didn't even say there were no "white protestants" in Biden's cabinet. He said there were no "white protestants by birth" in Biden's cabinet.
He is conflating religion with ethnicity/race, and worse is conflating someone's religion at birth as some particularly important detail. It is an intentional process of othering.
It's just the good old "blood" argument. It doesn't matter, what you do, or which group you join in your life. If you were born from the wrong group, you're from the "wrong" blood and will poison the "good" one of the in-group, if they don't push you out. Classical racist and/or Nazi thinking.
Combination of "white" and "Protestant" faith is a very specific neo-nazi / aryan brotherhood dog whistle - there is really no other reason to group the two together, apart from being a skinhead dressed up in a corporate monkey suit.
They have to go for "Protestant", because otherwise, they'd have to embrace all their fiercely christian brethren in faith from catholic latin america.
Yeah but he has a point. There were no left handed, white Protestant Scorpios, with lower than a 2.5 gpa in Obama’s cabinet. You see how white culture is getting decimated?
As an addendum: religion by birth doesn't even make sense. Babies are not religious. Zero people are born protestant, or catholic, or atheist, or anything. On matters of spirituality we are all born a blank slate.
Even if you formally take baptism as your entry into the faith. Just like there are no post-natal abortions, there is no pre-natal baptism, so everyone even from the most christian parents is born non-christian.
Actually I would argue we are born atheist, in the broadest sense. Not a disbelief. An absence of belief. For some, the indoctrination just starts very early.
I personally vibe with the theory that people have strong predispositions for various faith systems that activate through exposure.
I was raised unilaterally by abrahamics - Christian and Muslim - but I always had extremely strong atheist tendencies. My mother was raised the same way, but always had inclinations towards paganism and animism that she only accepted when she became an old woman and paganism became widely spoken of and accepted (in the PNW anyway.)
It's not decorum, it's delay tactics to 1) avoid answering the question and 2) give himself time to think of an answer that doesn't sound like bullshit.
2nd btw, "why does it have to be protestant?" among white supremacist christian nationalists like this guy, they consider that to be the only real "american chrisitian." They even think catholics are a problem cause it's niche within a niche within a niche. They make in and out groups they define who is and is not a person. that's why.
teary eyed and begging behind eyes "pls dont ask me anything that needs intelligence to answer. plz ur so mean, why dont you just hate all non whites!". I bet his pants smelled like piss and shit while he cried there xD
SERIOUSLY! They cry about freedom of speech. Use that against them and outright start calling them Nazi and morons and the most evil and stupidest people on the planet. They can't cry because of "freedom of speech" they masturbate over.
Tell them they're stupid on the street if they can't hold a conversation. When you have them basically on trial like this, take your time and enjoy burying them.
I know it'd be political suicide but I'd love for a white congressman to go full racist on that dude. "Why do you care about white culture, you're pale but you aren't white. Look at your balding, 3 chin, microwaved cabbage patch looking face in the mirror. What are you Eye-Rish, Eye-Talian, you're not white you fucking mutt all you are is white trash. Do you even know who your father is? Did your mama find you in a truck stop bathroom when she was scoring meth?" something like that
He's actually Jewish. By birth anyway, which was damning enough for the people he seeks to emulate. What is it with Jewish republicans trying to out-nazi each other? Miller, Loomer, and now this tool who switched religions to better pass as a nazi. I mean, he is a nazi of course, but if his ilk had their merry way there'd come a time where his heritage would earn him a place in the camps. Converting only worked during the first Holocaust, aka the Spanish Inquisition.
I may be wrong, but german nazi considered jewish people with more than 1/8 of jewis blood. American nazi usually ask for "100% pure blood", kinda impossible if you think about it. Of course, maga dont think for themself, looking at the stat, innit?
Since their "Aryan certificate" (Ariernachweis) was a legal document, they needed practical criteria, and 100% just couldn't be checked in practice, so they went back as far as all grandparents having to be non-jewish. Great grandparents weren't considered, so with one grandparent being Jewish (1/4) you weren't a "pure Aryan", but one great grandparent (1/8) didn't count. Their aim was very much 100%, but with the practical limits of feasability, I'd guess.
Not long ago, Italian and Irish folk were not considered "white". It's a satirical reprisal of old bigotry and throwing it back in their face to expose the hypocrisy of their position.
No one is "white". "White" is not an ethnicity. It is a social in-group created by supremacists solely for the purpose of excluding others in order to justify their oppression by those of the in-group.
Yep. I'm super white. Like, people stare when I'm at the beach. If you put Peter Dinklage dressed like Santa beside me, people would ask "where are the other six?" That is all true. IN BRAZIL. Here in France I might have the perfect accent but I'm still a bit "off". And in the US I'm *obviously* Latino.
Ethnicity itself is bullshit when considered scientifically. From a generic perspective, ethnicity literally doesn't exist. It's entirely a social construct we humans have created based on our cultural perceptions, as you have just described.
youareagreatguybut
There nothing more pathetic than straight white man complaining about how straight white mans are oppressed.
MeeseOnABeam
"wah, my specific racial and religious combo only has 99% control of the entire country and not 100%" and that's a direct quote
ItsACrazyWorld
Thank you for the question that I will never answer.
Grimlinnan
KKK Nazis want to be Pedophile.
SleepyHollowAppleTree
fattymcfattzz
That man is a horrible awful atrocious evil sick human being
rainbowsandunicorns575
The fragility of old white men has no bounds.
serendrewpity
It is a victory to even be having this conversation to those who would claim that white people are a victim of cultural genocide
glocksout
Catholics and Jews are not white enough for the man
Necrothean
Jeremy Carl? Jewish by birth, changed his name and his religion to fit in with the racists that would eviscerate him if they truly had power. A "pick me". Racially impure, according to their standards. They would put his teeth on the curb. Meanwhile, the AIPAC Repugs also hate him for being openly racist to Jews. He cannot win with anyone but Donald "I have no real ideals" Trump who makes snap judgements on a person based on one soundbyte.
SpeakerToLampposts
1yamia1
Bravo. Now that's how it's done.
philmoregraves
Dude whites are soooooo fucking victimized. Didn't you know we had ONE whole black president out of 47. Thats INSANE
Agatsu74
o noes, whites aren't exclusively the ones with wealth and power in this country anymore. We're doomed. DOOOOOOMED, I TELLS YA!
IAmAMammal
Had to google this guy because i'm not a United Statesian. His name is Jeremy Carl and he's a Jew that converted to Christianity. Wow.
mygodhasabiggerdick
If he gets confirmed it's time to start getting your guns and ammo.
Hawkgirl203
MAGA has a pamphlet that they hand out to every GOP in politics. First chapter goes something like “when being asked a question, say “thank you for the question”. It’s a stall technique. Next say one of the following responses, “I’ll have to look into it”, or “I’m not aware of that”, or “I haven’t been following that” or “I hadn’t heard about that”. Chapter two, how to brown nose effectively.
ahbrannon1
Fucking racist pig.
tomgordon55
he put the R in Racist.
SunnyKontucchi
It's hard to answer actual questions when everything you know is made up trigger bait.
PalaverQuader
"white protestants by birth" ..... is that like a new level of whiteness one can achieve via religion?
Murdertron5000
These nazis should be wiped from the planet
SkittishLittleToaster
My only problem with this is that Kaine's approach does not make space for whatever this guy's actual argument is. If it's a bad argument, reveal it then attack it. Means you have to reveal not just the conclusion but the evidence they use to arrive at that conclusion.
If they can't string those pieces together, great, reveal THAT.
Suranovi1
French guy here, why do people keep arguing with such dumbasses ? I mean, it's not because the is elected in any way that he's qualified for the job. Maybe some background check could be useful ? (psychiatric and other appropriate things ?).
ElroydIsGone
It is mostly for the audience. So that these people can't hide their shit belief behind sweet lies and smokescreens and that the general public sees them a bit more like they are. It's not much, but better than just letting them completely hide what they are really standing for.
And it might help to counter their propaganda technique to just repeat their brazen lies again and again, until everyone believes them just out of habit. So it's like "Wait, that doesn't make any sense at all!"
ReverseSyzygy
ok, so... the US president (yeah, THAT guy) nominated this chode (Jeremy Carl) for a State dept. job. It's at least de rigueur to have a hearing and question the nominee (or just talk at them, your choice) before they need to be confirmed by (in this case) the US Senate.
So with the questioner here, (Sen. Tim Kane, Hillary Clinton's choice for VP,) it's not so much an argument as putting Carl's whole schtick on trial, making it look fundamentally ridiculous.
ReverseSyzygy
(cont) which is if anything a public relations kind of thing to demonstrate to the American people the absurdity of these noms.
It may do nothing else.
The GOP run Senate may confirm him regardless of his answers or behavior
Geistbar
Notice how whoever the fuck this guy is shifted the definition with the only time he pointed at anything specific. He didn't say there were no "whites" in Biden's cabinet. He didn't even say there were no "white protestants" in Biden's cabinet. He said there were no "white protestants by birth" in Biden's cabinet.
He is conflating religion with ethnicity/race, and worse is conflating someone's religion at birth as some particularly important detail. It is an intentional process of othering.
ElroydIsGone
It's just the good old "blood" argument. It doesn't matter, what you do, or which group you join in your life. If you were born from the wrong group, you're from the "wrong" blood and will poison the "good" one of the in-group, if they don't push you out. Classical racist and/or Nazi thinking.
stukajr
Combination of "white" and "Protestant" faith is a very specific neo-nazi / aryan brotherhood dog whistle - there is really no other reason to group the two together, apart from being a skinhead dressed up in a corporate monkey suit.
ElroydIsGone
They have to go for "Protestant", because otherwise, they'd have to embrace all their fiercely christian brethren in faith from catholic latin america.
Loveshead2
Yeah but he has a point. There were no left handed, white Protestant Scorpios, with lower than a 2.5 gpa in Obama’s cabinet. You see how white culture is getting decimated?
Geistbar
As an addendum: religion by birth doesn't even make sense. Babies are not religious. Zero people are born protestant, or catholic, or atheist, or anything. On matters of spirituality we are all born a blank slate.
ElroydIsGone
Even if you formally take baptism as your entry into the faith. Just like there are no post-natal abortions, there is no pre-natal baptism, so everyone even from the most christian parents is born non-christian.
ViperMD
Actually I would argue we are born atheist, in the broadest sense. Not a disbelief. An absence of belief. For some, the indoctrination just starts very early.
knotwingknot
I personally vibe with the theory that people have strong predispositions for various faith systems that activate through exposure.
I was raised unilaterally by abrahamics - Christian and Muslim - but I always had extremely strong atheist tendencies. My mother was raised the same way, but always had inclinations towards paganism and animism that she only accepted when she became an old woman and paganism became widely spoken of and accepted (in the PNW anyway.)
ThailandExpress
PalaverQuader
lol
WarlockSniper
That cheeto lacks the filled diaper
JohnSatclaire
Waaaaaaay too big of a cheeto.
InfocalypseRising
Dying for this dude to say "stop thanking me for the question and fucking answer it"
WiiShaker
A racist that tiptoes around their bigotry is far worse than one that wears it on their sleeve.
DrunkenMarineBiologist
As a Virginian, you're gonna be dying for a long time if you expect Tim Kaine to actually do something effectual rather than just virtue signaling
desolatorx
He's allowing his brain to buffer this way
fishbicyclerepairman
Rosy fingered dawn
emu314159127001
Seriously. He's talking to someone who is or pretends to be one of the dumbest people alive and doesn't lose his shit.
Marsupialmessiah
Nahhhhh hes bought and paid for by courtesy of military industrial conglomco, hes the democrat voting for weiland yutani.
EveryBodyLovesMe
Decorum is important, however annoying.
MikeRInternetTraveler
Suck my decorum, Nazi defender.
shardix
Decorum is for tea parties, not running a country
SlaaneshiRightsFront
Decorum is for equals, nazis barely qualify as human.
Imtoolazytothinkofaname
stfu please. (I used decorum)
thedudeman519
Decorum got us here.
CurbYourClassWar
Fuck your Nazi-enabling decorum
Batman1702
Yeah that's wrong
Beiki
It's not decorum, it's delay tactics to 1) avoid answering the question and 2) give himself time to think of an answer that doesn't sound like bullshit.
PlusFour
Decorum is what got us here.
Rovit82
Nazis don’t deserve decorum.
Marsupialmessiah
This guy? Will grill you and vote for you if you were selling hotter bombs for weddings as long as its brown. Hes a shill for defense contractors.
bippityboppitybuttsex
That man is a fucking Nazi... and anyone who votes to confirm him is also a Nazi. His mere nomination is evidence of a Nazi in the white house.
YouRadicalizedMe
Heads should be on pikes. You fucking cowards. Letting those Nazis continue literally raping your child . Fuck
troy1984
Nazis, MAGA, Proud Boys, KKK, Evangelicals...they're all working towards the same goals. The US is currently run by all these fascist criminals.
servingmytimeinusersub
Thank you for the question
FlyingButtPliers
What position is he up for? Looks like night manager of a Apple Bees?
makeamericasmartagain9000
I get more like an ihop hearing vibe.
SavageDrums
I think Apple Bees HR would suss that guy out as a sexual harassment suit waiting to happen and pass hard.
ElbowDeepInAHorse
Look at him trying not to cry. XD
FrancsTireur
Poor guy wanted to be a rapper or an NFL quarterback.
What the hell does protestant even have to do with it? How many Catholic presidents have there been? Like 10 at least.
ragekritz
Not ast least 10. Actually only 2. JFK and Joe Biden. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/01/20/biden-only-second-catholic-president-but-nearly-all-have-been-christians-2/
ragekritz
2nd btw, "why does it have to be protestant?" among white supremacist christian nationalists like this guy, they consider that to be the only real "american chrisitian." They even think catholics are a problem cause it's niche within a niche within a niche. They make in and out groups they define who is and is not a person. that's why.
Hippopotamuswhale
teary eyed and begging behind eyes "pls dont ask me anything that needs intelligence to answer. plz ur so mean, why dont you just hate all non whites!". I bet his pants smelled like piss and shit while he cried there xD
mocosoft
Aelphaba
The watery eyes can be a sing of alcoholism... just saying.
ElbowDeepInAHorse
Good.
PaperinoVB
Tell them they're stupid. It's faster and easier.
ImAGrower
SERIOUSLY! They cry about freedom of speech. Use that against them and outright start calling them Nazi and morons and the most evil and stupidest people on the planet. They can't cry because of "freedom of speech" they masturbate over.
ConsumerOfStories
This way is more thorough and entertaining, though
huffnpuff72
Its too easy for them to ignore a fast insult. Gotta really drill down into it.
jankyupeblik
Tell them they're stupid on the street if they can't hold a conversation. When you have them basically on trial like this, take your time and enjoy burying them.
chicharrone
And honest
ScrippyChan
Came to say this. Enough with the egg shells. Cite the data, tell them they're idiots, and dismiss them from the public forum.
AllAnusMorissette
4Astaroth
Best woman in that room.
Sebastopol140
Wife her!!!!!!!!
azazyel
I know it'd be political suicide but I'd love for a white congressman to go full racist on that dude. "Why do you care about white culture, you're pale but you aren't white. Look at your balding, 3 chin, microwaved cabbage patch looking face in the mirror. What are you Eye-Rish, Eye-Talian, you're not white you fucking mutt all you are is white trash. Do you even know who your father is? Did your mama find you in a truck stop bathroom when she was scoring meth?" something like that
DontBringAShootyToAStabbyFight
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
He's actually Jewish. By birth anyway, which was damning enough for the people he seeks to emulate. What is it with Jewish republicans trying to out-nazi each other? Miller, Loomer, and now this tool who switched religions to better pass as a nazi. I mean, he is a nazi of course, but if his ilk had their merry way there'd come a time where his heritage would earn him a place in the camps. Converting only worked during the first Holocaust, aka the Spanish Inquisition.
ignotoCiResto
I may be wrong, but german nazi considered jewish people with more than 1/8 of jewis blood. American nazi usually ask for "100% pure blood", kinda impossible if you think about it. Of course, maga dont think for themself, looking at the stat, innit?
ElroydIsGone
Since their "Aryan certificate" (Ariernachweis) was a legal document, they needed practical criteria, and 100% just couldn't be checked in practice, so they went back as far as all grandparents having to be non-jewish. Great grandparents weren't considered, so with one grandparent being Jewish (1/4) you weren't a "pure Aryan", but one great grandparent (1/8) didn't count. Their aim was very much 100%, but with the practical limits of feasability, I'd guess.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Seriously. They need to get all "Modest Proposal" in this bitch and throw their backwards ass logic back at them.
Khanamana324
Right? Use their own bigotry against them.
mocosoft
But how is he going to know who his father is, if even his damn mother doesn't know?
kurvarVillain
All the potential fathers worked in the same small town factory. That's why he is a "company man."
TinyLiehon
Bet they cared so little for him, neither of them showed up for his birth.
mocosoft
LOL
PaperinoVB
As an italian last time I looked in a mirror I was white enough, but your concept is sound :-)
SnailsAgainstTungstenSpheres
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1OWljbXI4YWlwdzJqdnQ1b2pseHBrNHgybG15cGZ1cHN6eXh4YW83eSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/HPZubh6ApHpN6/200w.webp
Bonnedad
We were wops and micks, paddys and guineas, they didn’t consider us white
azazyel
Bet you can tan though, ya dago bastard! (just messing with ya)
PaperinoVB
Red as a lobster with a 50 protection factor sunscreen, sadly :-(
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Not long ago, Italian and Irish folk were not considered "white". It's a satirical reprisal of old bigotry and throwing it back in their face to expose the hypocrisy of their position.
No one is "white". "White" is not an ethnicity. It is a social in-group created by supremacists solely for the purpose of excluding others in order to justify their oppression by those of the in-group.
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
Yep. I'm super white. Like, people stare when I'm at the beach. If you put Peter Dinklage dressed like Santa beside me, people would ask "where are the other six?" That is all true. IN BRAZIL.
Here in France I might have the perfect accent but I'm still a bit "off". And in the US I'm *obviously* Latino.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Ethnicity itself is bullshit when considered scientifically. From a generic perspective, ethnicity literally doesn't exist. It's entirely a social construct we humans have created based on our cultural perceptions, as you have just described.