i3nagames
116452
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Jun 17, 2019 8:34 AM
i3nagames
116452
1996
78
DangerIsMyMiddleName
People forget that childbirth was the biggest killer of women before modern medicine
ThatQuietlySmirking
I have an ancestor who was born in 1821 and died in 1901 -- two wives, 24 children.
MadLadMcGee
*You have died of dysentery*
ithinkmicearenice
"I yesterday arrived and was with all 4 of our little ones innoculated for the small pox." Abigail Adams 1776
emilytangerine8910
I’m starting a vaccination plan tomorrow! I’m very excited
8BitFish
A bad tooth could kill you back then
Aprilmadness
Unpopular opinion: organic unprocessed foods AND vaccines are good for you.
orzhvopatriarch
As someone who works on a historical museum/farm they used chemicals 100-200 years ago, actually more dangerous ones. Food is better now
koflan
Pesticides prevent death during childbirth!
Acdkatie
People are still only living to died in childbirth
Squelchtone
Q: What do fruit put on their grave stones? A: R.I.P.E.
cyanidkatharsis
I'm fairly surprised. Usually any post here that has anything to do with death you all line up with the "me next I totally want to die" bull
PossibleSarcasm
Let me explain: Death is cool, abortion is cool, but not being vaccinated is not cool.
ensensu
The moms died in childbirth because the doctors didn't wash their hands after doing autopsies.
BurnBoolean
Yeah, and most died around 50-60, rarely over 70
Snooj
Go visit an old graveyard some time. Yes, lost of little kid headstones, but plenty of people who lived far past 50-60.
BurnBoolean
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/50-important-life-saving-breakthroughs-history/life-expectancy-2/ you didn't search at all
Snooj
I can't even frame a proper reply to how poorly this addresses my point.
Ticketsss
Just as god intended!
hoonz
I hate to say this but the reason why there’s so many Down syndrome and kids born with mental disabilities is because 1/2
hoonz
2/2 medical technology keeps them alive, whereas 100s of years ago they wouldn’t have survived
hoonz
There are countries where they allow termination of pregnancy once they find out kids have a major mental disability.. it’s encouraged there
MidlifeCrisisOnInfiniteEarths
Correlation doesn't equal causation.
Midgardfox
The fertility rate is still very high (7-8 kids) in undeveloped countries.
vtwzqp5
The mortalitiy rate amongst infsnts is high in US...guess which country has highest amounts off vaccines for infants..
DynamicBeardSurgery
Its almost like there is a trick to these things!
DouglasPouchOfHolding
Animals have litters so they know someone will survive. Not having to do that is awesome.
Sirsir94
https://preview.redd.it/6du9gwinujby.jpg?width=750&auto=webp&s=4dc7d62a3b004597ec0954484a57ed468106b759
unclemeat70
The ‘ripe old age’ of 45
vanmock019
That's generous
stoler202
Tolstoy died at 82, Dalton at 77, Herschel at 79, and so on. Just because a bunch died as children doesn't mean others didn't live long.
Maboroshi1994
They also lived comparatively comfortable lives.
FromDenmarkWithHate
And as usual the organic food had nothing to do with it you absolute fucking retard.
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
*laughs in RoundUp*
FromDenmarkWithHate
:'-(
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
Given our current "influencer" climate, I'd be willing to bet that at least a few times people have been paid put out hate on organic food.
Snooj
Death was frequently caused by malnutrition, unsanitary living conditions, and the absence of basic medical care. Also, go to an old 1-
IncognitoPanda
We lived to be 80 when we were hunters and gatherers. It was settling down that let diseases and such fester
Deakens
If 30 is the new 80 than yes.
IncognitoPanda
It is well documented that plenty of tribes lived and still live to become nearly our age. You should read sapiens
Snooj
cemetery sometime. You'll find plenty of gravestones of people who died in the 1800's after living 70-80 years. 2-2
AnthropomorphisingEverything
I'm sure that's also income based. I'm guessing the people that could afford a nice gravestone had better health and longer lives.
Imuseaboutstuff
Hygiene was not all the rage back then either. A lot of things could have contributed to those high mortality rates. So this is poor logic
PossibleSarcasm
I see the word vaccine, I upvote. Even if it's not true, as long as it convinces some people to get vaccinated, it's worth it.
stoler202
"Died in childbirth" applies only to women though?
bigguywhokills
What if your pregnant wife has a pistol?
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
I mean neither of those things played a role in the leading causes a child birthing deaths. But sure whatever.
PossibleSarcasm
Even if it's not true, as long as it convinces some people to get vaccinated, it's worth it. Right?
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
Using lies to fight lies only gives fuel for the liars to use to support their lies and discredit the truth. So no, its not worth.
itsybitsyspider
The point. You missed it.
zombiskunk
Facts. OP forgot to include them.
vtwzqp5
Vaccines are not the reason for extended age of life or at least not THE reason...
Doumdidoum
Totally agree with you. Sterilization and antibiotics, safe, clean water had a bigger effect.
PossibleSarcasm
But we need to push vaccines constantly every single until the literally impossible task of a 100% vaccinated population is achieved
PossibleSarcasm
Nevermind that things mutate and new vaccines have to be made all the time.
PossibleSarcasm
Also nevermind that most major diseases were well on the decline before vaccines even showed up in the picture.
vtwzqp5
Yes nebermind that there are no Placebo studies nevermind chsnves for respository illness increase by fsctor 5 with Flüe vacine etc but
vtwzqp5
Here you are a moron if you say anything slightly Bad about vaccines smh
vtwzqp5
Herd immunity is also a myth
FerrousBuehler
That's why they had 10+ kids. They knew 2 or 3 wouldn't make it.
BronzeLeaguePro
Inside the Hajnal line it was more like 5, so that about 3 kids would grow up.
HappyPetunia
Plus there was only one way to not have 10+ kids and nobody was going to do that.
gtsr
True, both my grandmothers had 4 children of wich only 3 made it into adulthood.
Schmapplesauce
And whoever survived was their retirement plan.
GoodChanceImPoopingRightNow
Pfft more like 5 or 6. That’s why Rome made such a huge deal over your 18bday, and didn’t celebrate any other ones except 40th and 60th
allthesameisawitfirst
Good tidbit that. Thanks
Freyazero
Some people just like screwing.
NomDeImguerre
I remember, tvshow? "what's the worst that can happen during birth?" People don't realize, it's still death, to this day.
NomDeImguerre
Healthcare has come a long way, but people don't realize just how much risk they take for granted.
IndyAndyJones
They had 10+ kids because slavery is legal if it's your kids that are the slaves.
THRAWN18
My grandma has 10 siblings. 8 survived childhood. They were farmers too. She's 95. So this is quite real
somnif
Aye my grandma was one of 13, 12 made it to adulthood. Guess there wasn't much to do to pass the time in 1920s Iowa
KurtHamster
*hoped
octopusprime1994
Well somewhere around 5 to 7 you probably have your fingers crossed
ColoneISanders
Very true. I did the ancestryDNA + family tree building awhile back and realized that once I got into the 1700s/1800s, my family 1/2
ColoneISanders
2/2 was having 7-10 kids per couple and sadly some of them didn't live long.
nipplepanties
And just as many wives
GrimFinn
Well, also some of them made lots of kids because making babies is fun and contraception wasn't invented.
calaibi
Infanticide used to be the strongest and most applied form of contraception.
catsofat
And also didnt have to pay the equivalent to 1 house payment for every 2 kids in daycare.
FOXTY
Also more kids = more capable workforce. Almost all trades and agricultural jobs were family affairs.
LurkerOfDarkness
Contraception, albeit poor and ineffecient, is known from ancient Egypt.
Baalzak
The oldest method, shouting at the womb to intimidate it into compliance, was practiced by pharaohs.
iamalreadyaghost
I think the reason for 10+ kids was a lack of birth control
itsybitsyspider
No, the first post was more or less right. Childhood diseases were rampaging back then. Smallpox, scarlet fever, yellow fever, all were --
itsybitsyspider
-- killing young children left and right. They didn't have the medicine we do today to ensure survival.
Kbantar
That's why they needed lots, not why they had lots.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
Think about how different that mindset would have to be. Like, you wouldn’t get too attached.
Kbantar
That's a massive myth. Parents in times of disease and death love their kids just as much as modern Western parents do.
Ancientmariner52
I can show you a row of little tombstones. "Infant son of" "Infant daughter of" Not a myth at all. Naming not = loving. >
Ancientmariner52
The idea was to conserve traditional family names. Named on 1st birthday, iirc. Arkansas Ozarks.
Kbantar
Developing defense mechanisms to handle trauma does not mean they didn't feel it though.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
I’m not saying they didn’t *care* but the very concept of childhood and parenthood would have to be felt differently.
bigguywhokills
Some families did not name children until they were a few months old. That is why many records list the dead infant's first name as "baby".
evilpsych
An ancestry.com account will show you how many aunts and uncles you lost this way. And great grand mothers. I stopped counting at 105
cthulhaa
My great great great grandmother had 27 kids, about 13 made it to late childhood, 8 made it through to adulthood! #irish
TimTamSlam128
My Great-Grandmother had 13 children and 8 of them died before the age of 5.
evilpsych
What’s really morbid is you can see when the dude remarried within a year and had 9 more kids 6 of which died the first year
Chols
There was a flu epidemic in the 1910s. My grandmother buried one brother in the morning and a sister in the evening.
cthulhaa
Fun fact! The spanish flu of 1918 was H1N1 aka the same strain as Swine Flu that killed a bunch of people in 09/10
loth1c
how do they gather the data?
techmonkey
death and birth records, census data.
siler7
Knocking on gravestones. It's thankless work. You get the occasional curse or haunt.
LordAislinn
Last time I knocked on a gravestone the occupant told me to go fuck myself.
bigguywhokills
Christian christening and burial records are a great source. If they weren't Christian, then census and other public records.
bigguywhokills
Newborns were usually christened in the first week of life.
bigguywhokills
Prior to the 1900's, children were sometimes not named until they were a few months old. Reason: child mortality rates.
evilpsych
Number of sources- census, town and hospital records, some supplied by users
loth1c
thanks
cthulhaa
I just found a missing great grandparent through their last name being used once (by my great grandmother) on a shipping log!
cthulhaa
*edit - great great grandparents. We then tracked the surname in the uk and found a birth certificate under the same surname, and then
cthulhaa
the shipping logs of her and the daughter under her maiden name back to south africa! And thats when she handed the baby over to her mother
reallywishihadabettername
My great grandmother was preggo 26 times. Only 6 survived and they were incredibly wealthy landowners in Mexico. I know its Mexico but still
hellothur
So ..u rich?
reallywishihadabettername
My grandmother gave up her family fortune to marry my grandfather. So no
Heavenissize17socks
Worth it. Every time.
Asadsadsadclown
Also. "Mexico"
steerAwwPrincess
More like 2-3 would make it.
AlopeRubyAspendale
more like they'd only make it to 2-3
WGG25
if they made 2-3, none of them would make it - is what the previous comment meant
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Too bad your parents didn't have any children that lived.
PaigeYess
r/wooosh
WGG25
have you even read the comments?
PaigeYess
Lol I'm sorry didnt mean it as an insult or anything. It was just funny. Nothing else.
IAmGrimReaper
What does r/wooosh mean??
totallycooldude
It’s a subreddit for when a joke goes over someone’s head. The joke is that when it goes over it makes a whoosh noise.
SFMGifs
datester35
r/wooooosh represents when something goes completely over someone's head