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Coreation
Siri, what's a non-sequitur?
sandwichcolony
Your Carbon Footprint is a scam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sgRTbTm91Q
finetoroastasimamarshmallow
I have replaced my use of the term “government” with “corporate representatives” and it works.
hardytardigrade
Collusion is corruption, and corruption is counter to proper government action. Collusion is due to government inaction.
c2zvgsVillain
They’ll all just trash this planet with the hopes of jettisoning off to another one where they can form their own lawless government
MrWookloaf
When I heard that oil companies in Northern Canada, developed their long term work sites with climate change in mind, over 30 years ago -
MrWookloaf
- it made me realize how these groups don't give a shit if they destroy everything in the name of profit.
justinbailey113811
This will not end without blood. You can't have a sustainable world and bring everyone with you.
baddream
what you just wrote makes no sense
justinbailey113811
It's simple. There cannot be peace on this planet without getting rid of some people.
thepuppeteer777
Humanity is probably going to die out in 400 years because of the pollution
Dankking
We should just raise the prices on billionaires. Like oh that boats 250k but for you it’s 2 million!
Dankking
Kinda like they do to us for years!!!
keyblader1985
I've had this saved since before last January, but now I can't ever use it.
Tbkssom
I’ve been planning to start a revolution for years, I just have to wait until people won’t think I’m crazy when I tell them. Soon…
Itslukus
Lmk when
RayMC
Because they tried it first, and we were horrified. That only proves that this idea was shit from the start. Good for jokes, not real life.
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RayMC
If you don’t want to do it their way, the word “overthrow” is not appropriate and shouldn’t be used.
leodavinci1
Government corruption.
notacobra
If you're not going to grab a (pitch) fork, there's little point whining about eating the rich.
codenameRadical
I don't mind billionaires as a concept, but only if they get there while paying taxes, and following good regulations, which isn't true now.
delphinart
Knew a person who refused to run A/C even when medically needed because they think it's their responsibility to prevent climate crisis.
delphinart
Every stupid personal responsibility debate is to distract us from these global decisions we didn't enact or discuss and can't reverse alone
Sauroctonus
The funny thing is, you could probably have both, but the billionaires don't like to spend money if it doesn't make half the value >
Sauroctonus
< of a small country by the end of the year.
peedrinkingcrapface
um not if the billionaires achieve semi immortality. then their self interest will finally align with sustainability!
trueunpopularopinions
The average US worker would need 10 times the length of all human history to earn as much as Jeff Bezos.
trueunpopularopinions
https://qz.com/1723454/this-is-how-long-an-average-us-worker-needs-to-become-a-billionaire/
StandUpYoda
I choose Billionaires. Who am I to disagree with reality?
Northwindlowlander
We can probably have billionaires, though it's still a shocking waste. We definitely can't have hundred billionaires though.
dekket
Meh. False narrative. You CAN have billionaires AND a livable future. You just have to tax them properly. Make it expensive to hoard money.>
dekket
> it'll force re-investment, increasing the speed of money, thus increasing everyone's quality of life. Like economists have said for ages.
Sokonomi
We live in a weird time where being successful is bad.
Blackfinity
Yes I'm sure the 0.00035% of the world's population that are "billionaires" are responsible for the climate "crisis."
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Blackfinity
According to that if you live in the US or the EU you're part of the problem. The "richest 10%" are people with a net income over $38,000...
Blackfinity
... and the richest 1% are $109,000. So the problem is the hundreds and hundreds of millions making up the middle class, not the mere...
Blackfinity
...2800 billionaires on the planet.
serenityfast
Yes. I'm not sure why that's controversial. They run businesses that exploit everything including the environment to make their billions.
drinkthederpentine
Another political tweet circle jerk. This is just objectively not true. Ridiculously wealthy have existed since the dawn of civilization
Scallion420
Can they at least pay taxes please?
Royoffinland
therighteouspath
CUNTDESTROY3R
mooncactus
lljkstonefish
Musky paid $11b in taxes recently. It's not the individuals that matter. It's the companies. Tesla, like fuckloads of others, paid $0.
cvpsu
11b is not his fair share, didn’t he make 30+ billion in one day or something like that?
nugbughug
They need to do more than that
SkallaResco
That would cut into the bribe money though.
SkynetWithAPoopKnife
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
So the government can have more stolen money to accelerate climate change with?
PersonalityFire
It's not that I disagree, but when so much tax revenue is merely allocated to "defense" and subsidizing privatization, what good is it?
PersonalityFire
We don't merely need fair or higher taxes. We need a responsible Congress that can draft a budget that actually helps people. So: we fukt.
ibeandrew
Exactly. The people who are supposed to hold the rich accountable are the ones enabling them to hoard wealth.
nubblebun
Too late. Get the axes.
Proffesional1Downer
No ❤️
thekrustinator42
What makes you think they don't pay taxes?
serenityfast
In terms of impact to quality of life, they pay effectively 0%. A person in the lowest tax bracket is MASSIVELY impacted by their taxes.
geekstudios
Well they don’t pay anywhere close to as much as I do as a percent of income. I’d guess half to a third as much.
geekstudios
And that’s the ones that don’t hide their income offshore or in tax avoidance schemes.
Shaodyn
I don't want a situation where nobody can be rich, just one where nobody can be poor. Not "I have to put off car repairs" poor, just "I get
Allrighty
I want a situation where nobody can be rich and nobody has to put off car repairs.
Shaodyn
Socialism is probably your best bet, then. That or communism.
baddream
communism means everyone is poor. its the most corrupt model
Shaodyn
Oh yeah. Then I guess I'm a socialist. Although a lot of people would call me a filthy commie for wanting to help the poor.
serenityfast
I don't have a problem if you're making ~$1mil a year. But beyond that, you're rapidly moving into scumlord territory.
Shaodyn
I just want the kind of poor that leads to people being homeless not to exist anymore. Guess I'm a filthy socialist who hates America.
serenityfast
Yeah I mean, we literally idolize people who have hoarded so much wealth that it's gone well past unethical into straight murder.
Shaodyn
Somebody did some figuring and found that the dragon from The Hobbit had about $51.4 billion worth of gold. This would make him the 15th
Shaodyn
richest person in the world, if he were real. 14 people are richer than a dragon with a mountain literally filled with gold.
Shaodyn
food from the trash and live in a cardboard box" poor.
TheSinhound
See, at this point... I think we should just say no Rich people. Just period. Concentration of wealth always leads to bad things.
Shaodyn
How about, whenever someone reaches $1 billion, all their money goes to charity and they get a plaque that says "I won capitalism!"
Shaodyn
Can you imagine how many tax increases rich people would favor if they were desperate to avoid the "I won capitalism" cutoff?
TheSinhound
I'd rather everything over 999,999,999 go to UBI so we can have Star Trek in real life.
Shaodyn
I'd be down for that too. Either way, the rich would be absolutely desperate to stay under $999 million.
digasisv
Having billionaires isn’t the problem. It is how they became billionaires that is the problem.
hardytardigrade
Having billionaires is also a problem. Extreme income & wealth inequality are a problem. Plus there are no good ways to become a billionaire
digasisv
Both of which are how they got billions. If those issues were missing then your opinion of then would change for the better.
serenityfast
No it wouldn't. If you have a billion dollars, through ANY means, and you keep it? You're morally bankrupt. Period.
digasisv
Nope, I didn’t say through any means, but rather stated plainly through honest means. I object to how most/all have so far achieved it.
serenityfast
I don't care HOW you got the billions, if you keep it, you're morally bankrupt. It's that simple. I thought I made that very clear.
hardytardigrade
I don't understand what you are saying here.
digasisv
What if they paid more then their fat of taxes and still have billions, would that alter your opinion?
digasisv
How about if they paid a fair share to all who work under them? Would that too alter your opinion?
digasisv
Changing our views to match facts and not our bias will help in getting more support and solve the problems we face.
hardytardigrade
To which facts do you refer? "Having billionaires isn't the problem" is an opinion, not a fact, but I don't see it is based on facts either.
digasisv
The problem you have with them is how they achieved it. Would you have the same issue if they paid their fair share in taxes and …
hardytardigrade
You don't get to decide what I think. Yes, I would still have an issue with massive wealth inequality even if tax rates were changed.
digasisv
Paid a great wage to all those under them?
hardytardigrade
If taxes were much higher at the top and wages were much higher at the bottom, massive income and wealth disparities would be reduced.
Allrighty
Then they wouldn't be billionaires.
TheWhiteBarry
Pop quiz: which single person has taken the most action to help us transition to sustainable energy so that we can have a livable future?
serenityfast
Musk, who could have saved MANY THOUSANDS of lives with his money, instead decided to spend it on Twitter stock, to protect his shit takes.
TheWhiteBarry
How many lives are saved by not breathing in car exhaust every year? How many by autopilot? Safest cars ever tested. Get real.
serenityfast
Well, you can't be talking about Musk, who has also single-handidly ruined his company's image and consistently pisses off its customers.
TheWhiteBarry
Weird how they sell every car they make and can't even begin to satisfy the huge amount of global demand huh?
balmainjack10
Did he though? Or was that his employees? You ever seen him build a Tesla? Or a rocket for that matter?
TheWhiteBarry
That's a different debate but let's say you're right. Does he not get credit for being the guy to drop the money needed to get it done?
Allrighty
No, because he got it through exploiting the working class and he's hoarding most of it. No credit for doing the bare minimum.
TheWhiteBarry
No one else stepped up and did the needful. That's the point. Everything you're saying applies to all billionaires.
Allrighty
No one else can because billionaires are hoarding all the money that we make for them.
balmainjack10
That would be his investors and Tesla shareholders fronting the capital. He's just a manager in a publicly traded company. Worth $200b? Nah
TheWhiteBarry
Who do you think fronted the most capital, especially at first? And now it's clear to me just how little you know about his role.
Deonan
I am interested in the answer!
TheWhiteBarry
Can't say his name here without being tarred and feathered, but I can say that 2/3 of all EVs sold in the US come from one of his companies
drakesyn
Get back to me when he let's him workers unionize.
TheWhiteBarry
They are free to do so at any time. They're also the highest paid in their industry and have already chosen not to unionize once.
drakesyn
Oh, it's actual mental illness. My apologies. I hope your new medication works.
DontTazeMeBrah
Evs are still only 4.5% of US total market so unless he releases a Tesla for the avg person, it means shit
TheWhiteBarry
Then you'll be happy to learn they are growing insanely fast and plan on making 20 mil cars per year by 2030
DontTazeMeBrah
Musk plans on doing XYZ and barely gets X out, he overpromises and underperforms like he always does
TheWhiteBarry
https://www.statista.com/chart/8547/teslas-vehicle-deliveries-since-2012/
geekstudios
I think you’re talking about Elon Musk. Not really true. Not saying what he did isn’t impressive or somewhat useful. But not high impact.
geekstudios
And ultimately it’s really about money. If he could have made more money burning fossil fuels, he would have in a second.
TheWhiteBarry
That doesn't add up. Tesla lost money for the first decade or so of its existence. Almost went bankrupt several times.
TheWhiteBarry
How is being the reason anyone in the world is even trying to make EVs not high impact? Let alone being the single largest producer of them
serenityfast
Dunno, tell me when he starts filling out that "sustainable energy" part. Tesla Solar is a fuckin' dumpster fire of semi-illegal operations
TheWhiteBarry
Then why is it on my roof, generating all the power I need plus some for my neighbors? It's real, it's available now, and it is amazing
serenityfast
And yet tons of COMPLETED INSTALLS are sitting with unpowered solar because Tesla can't finish out the fuckin' docs for MONTHS
serenityfast
Or when Tesla signs a contract with you and then DOUBLES THE PRICE when it's time to actually install it
BoobsAreSoMuchFun
Billionaires are a symptom of a failing society.
Exclusiff
Failing for...*checks notes* since babylon
OldSchoolNewRules
Every billionaire is a failure of fiscal policy.
Tmoneybags
In the past Roosevelt vs Morgan was kind of an important court case. Monopolies provide a service, but only ever help very few profit.
Tmoneybags
To have such money only serves the purpose to be “the richest/most powerful/most renowned person”, it’s never to help others.
Tmoneybags
It’s a dragon sitting on piles of gold in a mountain.
INeverReadTheTOS
Both a symptom and a cause.
Juni0220
Like tumors
KuldFyt
Doomgriever
KuldFyt
Leevalleyoftheshadowofdeath
Like the world's worst feedback loop
rmsrmsrms38
Historically, in terms of centuries, wealth is now more spread out than ever given the global middle class after the industrial revolution.
highlikeacrow
Whats your point?
HeHulk
Historically, I doubt you’ve ever told the truth.
getadogupya
Doubt. What was the wealth distribution before the agricultural revolution?
rmsrmsrms38
Because most of the world economy was a fuedal system with share cropping, aristocracy, etc. Look at cars. They have been around -->
rmsrmsrms38
And long time but it wasn't until the industrial revolution changed world economies and grew a middle class that the Model T happened.
getadogupya
You don't seem to have any understanding of history at all.
greenhills99
The middle class is dying as fast as it came in, in Canada anyways.
minibois
Source?
scojbo
You're gonna need a source for that info, cuz its flat out wrong.
Imadethisaccounttopost
Unregulated capitalism
Sipmonsnsn
To be fair this happenes too all systems using a currency
icyanddicey
Redundant adjective is redundant
1metalnation
Scandinavia has well regulated capitalism and they're doing awesome
Imadethisaccounttopost
True to an extent, regulated and monitored capitalism would be a better living for most but how long before it's corrupted with under the
Imadethisaccounttopost
Table deals and lobbying
freezingpilot
Luckily, we already discovered the cure. Repeatedly.
SIGMA920
Which is why USSR is still around and the CCP didn't cause a mass famine, population crisis (Look at the ratio of men to women in China.
SIGMA920
That is the direct result of the 1 child policy.), and more?
freezingpilot
Revolution you potato, not communism. Like what happened every time the wealthy got too wealthy. France. Germany. Russia. Spain.
SIGMA920
The french revolution lead to instability at best and wild in-fighting/incompetence at worse. The German revolution that created the Weimar
SIGMA920
Republic was caused by WW1, not economic conditions on their own and the Weimar Republic didn't last long afterwards either. The USSR is not
johneventually1
A revolution is a rotation. A circle, ending where is began. It doesn't imply a 180, it's 360 per circle, right? We need to evolve.
freezingpilot
Fine, let's just Revolt./