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lDontWanna
mad?
SinisterMatti
"Yeah, that's what I wish I had told her," thought OP.
Ohfishyfishyfishyfish
Honestly. Is this your biggest worry? That dog is probably cleaner than a Nuns sun bleached bones.
EetWontFlush
One on the right looks like she's asking her to leave and the twat on the left has just said "fuck you im not leaving"
FusRoDoodles
Likely. The tablet and papers in her arms indicate to me the one on the right is probably a manager.
SirWadeWilson
How about you mind your own fucking business!
InsomniacSheep
My grandpas dog is small but can detect when he has low blood sugar and has saved his life about 3 times. But I agree if they aren't need.
MageFace
I know some stores allow pets. There's one by me that does, but the pet need to be in the cart or a carry bag or otherwise up off the floor.
wolvensong
As a former hotel employee, this. Bitch, I know your spruced up Pomeranian is not your service dog!
771058
While I appreciate animals stores are already crowded enough at times. Completely agree op
imnotwhatyousee
"Emotional support animals, comfort animals, and therapy dogs are not service animals under Title II and Title III of the ADA."
OneTabAway
My grans diabetic alert dog is that small but he has a vest.. Not doll clothes..And he's never more than an inch from her feet..
peppersperson
I know some animals that are cleaner and more well behaved than children.... Just sayn
SherMattLockSmith
People don't have children allergies, but they do have animal allergies.
FeralFarter
Poodles are hypo-allerginic.
ShutUpMeh
I'm allergic to children
ilovefunsocks
Once had a guy tell my manager at a restaurant that his tiny dog was a hearing aid dog...
JanoahDavis42688
I drive bus. We had a driver get in trouble because he told a pax that her unleashed dog wasn't a service dog, and it must sit on the floor.
BananaShip
What you mean pet? She's just returning it to the butcher.
EetWontFlush
I don't see Chinese food anywhere
CheesecakePi
Aisle 9.
TwistMyNipples
aisre 9
jadechey
I work at a store that sells fabric. I am constantly picking up straight pins from the floor, terrified that a doggo (or kid) will eat them
jadechey
If your dog isn't a service dog specifically trained NOT to do shit like that, it's a risk every time you bring them in.
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jadechey
That scares me too, but they lay flat on the floor. Not likely to do much damage.
AntigravityHamster
That's not a question of training, it's one of responsibility. Children and animals should be supervised or not brought in at all.
DementedBento
The ADA makes a distinction between psychiatric service animals and emotional support animals....
SherMattLockSmith
I think you mean service animals and support animals. If they can detect and help prevent medical emergencies, or help with a disability 1/2
SherMattLockSmith
2/2 Then they are service animals. Otherwise they are support animals and do not fall under ADA protection.
FINISHTHETITLE
In many cases psychological issues are recognized as disabilities. There are absolutely valid service animals for that.
DementedBento
https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet hey i dont write the rules...
FINISHTHETITLE
Section II paragraph 6, that's exactly what I said.
cuttlefishsticks
Psychiatric service dogs are still service dogs is the point I think he was making. Difference is they have a trained task, unlike ESAs.
StoicOak
I work at a Fred Meyers/Krogers/QFC (Yes they're all the same). We are not legally allowed to ask if a pet is a service animal.
SherMattLockSmith
No, you are legally allowed, but as a prior Fred Meyers employee, by store policy you are not allowed. "Only managers can say no."
cuttlefishsticks
Store policy =/= law. Your boss straight up lied to you if he said you legally can't ask.
cuttlefishsticks
Legally, in accordance with the ADA, any business can ask 1. Is that a service dog? and 2. What task does it perform?
varistargrim
You can ask and if they say "yes" you cannot do anything.
cuttlefishsticks
If the dog is not housebroken or is causing a disturbance, they can kick it out of the store.
theblondescientist
There is no requirement for a person to disclose their own disability. And, they cannot deny service even if they don't like the answer
cuttlefishsticks
They don't have to say their disability, but they do have to say what the dog does. Can be a simple "He's a medical alert dog"
koga88
Work at a warehouse style store next to a PetCo and allowing shoppers to bring their pets in raised sales numbers a lot. Up to the store.
Spackler7
It doesn't surprise me that Mickey Rourke needs a service dog.
3dollarbill
Under appreciated comment^
PrfctDrk
She looks like a total cunt
subiecp
Sherrmatlocksmith is putting in work on these comments.
FINISHTHETITLE
Their absentee father was a service animal. they're still a little touchy about it.
subiecp
@SherMattLockSmith **
gerthzilla
I bet she drives with it in between her arms on her lap. Reaching around ,over and under to accommodate that little shit .
FusRoDoodles
False Service Animals (or poorly trained ones under the guise of 'Comfort' pets) are a growing issue for the Disabled Community. A poorly
FusRoDoodles
behaved pet inside of a store can lead to a business holding bias against legitimately required Service Dogs, health hazards, attacks on
FusRoDoodles
humans (a young boy was bit on an airplane by a "Comfort Dog"), and even attacks on true Service Dogs who are trained to not retaliate.
FusRoDoodles
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2013/10/fake_service_animals_are_a_gro.html
ajpimpsalll
upvoted all your downvoted comments. People don't realize that ACTUAL trained service animals are getting mauled by people's ""service" 1/2
ajpimpsalll
animals. Trained seeing-eye dogs will literally just sit there and be abused by "comfort" animals people are taking into restricted areas.
getoffmylawnyoupeskykids
I currently use my dog as an ESA for my PTSD. He is well trained. I am respectful of others and plan to stop using him ASAP
FusRoDoodles
So long as you are 100 percent confident and verified that he can behave properly in any circumstance, which includes other poorly behaved
FusRoDoodles
animals, noises / high stress situations, and children. I'm not saying a comfort dog isn't needed, only that they should be required to
FusRoDoodles
behave like a service dog. Others should never suffer for you.
getoffmylawnyoupeskykids
I agree with those requirements. 100%
jorgesb
Still better than a crying toddler
JumbaMN
Agreed
Yootootmagoot
Just became a parent. I had no idea how difficult life was for parents. Next time you see a screaming toddler, take a deep breath, realize
Yootootmagoot
That patent is doing the best they can and walk around in your outrageous freedom.
Yootootmagoot
Kids are the fucking shit but also incredibly challenging. Please don't make parents feel like they can't go out in public without inconven
Yootootmagoot
Inconveniencing you.
teninchtaint
People aren't allergic to crying toddlers though
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loveplusultra
Nigga calm the fuck down
FlibbityFoobleBee
Where I'm from in Seattle and Portland there are often dog friendly places. I see both sides of the argument though. But I like your style
loveplusultra
bomb diggity
ccccchrisssss
Word
LordSatanHimself
People are allergic to dogs. All of them would like to be able to go to the store without the fear of an allergic reaction asshole.
Idkimadeanaccountjustforthis
A lot of smaller breeds are hypoallergenic.
pixarpizza
NO FUCKING ANIMAL IS HYPOALLERGENIC. They ALL produce the allergen CANF-1. Do your fucking research.
Idkimadeanaccountjustforthis
..well my wife is allergic to dogs, and we have 2. Because they are hypoallergenic and do not effect her, but hey keep yelling if it helps
loveplusultra
and again ; Nigga calm the fuck down
loveplusultra
maybe if it was a lab or something but a small dog like that could be put in a bag or somthing, dipshit
FeralFarter
Lol poodles are hypo allerginic. Who gives a damn. I wish someone would accidentally kill me with my allergies.
HeWhoKnowsAll
People are allergic to nuts and grocery stores have a ton of those.
loveplusultra
#wrecked
Ryzelk
I work at a museum, and one time someone brought an "emotional support" dog in. We're not allowed to verify identification; dog peed on art.
Elleeze
Emotional support dogs don't have public access they're not service animals
Ryzelk
I don't know man, that's just what I was told. I didn't directly interact with the situation, so I could have been told wrong.
getoffmylawnyoupeskykids
Agreed! I have an ESA. I play by the rules, and understand when I am told a store does not want him. I work to depend on him less and less.
Elleeze
If you're legally disabled you can tasktrain your dog so it qualifies as a service animal and can come with you in public. As an ESA it cant
uponstrangeshores
Do stores in your country not routinely display signs stating whether they do or don't allow pets @OP? Seems like a non-issue.
cuttlefishsticks
There almost certainly is a sign, she ignored it. Or, at best, just didn't see it. They are typically fairly small.
uponstrangeshores
Seems a bit of a leap. How are you sure the store doesn't allow pets?
cuttlefishsticks
Because the store sells food. Health code almost everywhere (in the US) says if there's food, there can't be non-service dogs.
uponstrangeshores
So you know this store?
cuttlefishsticks
Based on my knowledge and experience, it is more plausible to me that a person didn't see or ignored the sign, than that there wasn't one.
SherMattLockSmith
Pets are not allowed in establishments that serve, handle or produce food, only service animals are allowed by law, not store policy.
uponstrangeshores
You say that like it's an international law. Are you from the same country as OP and that store?
SirWadeWilson
In my state they still have to post no pets or its fair game... that or a fun Lawsuit... ah America!
SherMattLockSmith
I highly doubt that, it is pretty much standard health code law, and it is not up to the establishment to inform patrons of laws.
SherMattLockSmith
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for violating the law, that is a well established legal doctrine.
SirWadeWilson
Thats a decent argument in Criminal cort. In civil Cort signs and policies must be clearly posted
SherMattLockSmith
Yes, policies of the individual store, these are not policies of the individual store, they are state health code laws, completely different
NeynasGhost
While a smaller dog COULD be a service animal for extreme anxiety or depression, I'm inclined to agree that this dog is not.
Duvn
"im so depressed I can't even go 30 minutes to the store without my dog" Fucking bullshit is what it is.
umbrellamaker
some dogs are medical alert animals that may be able to smell things like the onset of a siesure and such
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
I work at a Sam's club in Florida. All we are allowed to do is ask if it's a service dog. If they say yes, we are to leave them be.
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/279
RoboCoonie
That would be an Emotional Support Animal which is not the same as a Service Dog.
Scoobthedood
Work a hotel... and "emotional support/ companion" dogs are NOT service animals. But if the dog is well behaved then we leave it alone
probshouldntsayitbut
I hate worrying about kicking or stepping on people's little dogs in stores while I try to navigate through aisles, carts, people, etc.
SteveTypeRs
As a person with serious depression: Fuck people and their stupid ass cuddle puppies!
ScroungeArounge
That dog looks like it might need a therapy dog.
WingWangChickenPickenBingBang
You and @op obviously have not been to San Diego
ucandcantunc
Anxiety service animal are the stupidest crap we have come up with, grow a pair...
Salocin1
For ptsd it's very valid. For many cases it's just a way to take em with you or to be a special snowflake.
Outlavv
You have a point. But ptsd doesnt come from.that time you stubbed your toe at the mall and got embarrassed by the people laughing
hyperkatt
No it comes from that car backfiring in parking lot and sounding like a gun or any sudden loud noise inside such as dropping something.
Andilee
Or seeing someone that looks like your rapist, abuser, or so on. There are many ways to get ptsd, but it's from real abuse or trauma.
cuttlefishsticks
As someone with actual, psychiatrist diagnosed anxiety, there is no such thing as "growing a pair" when your own brain chemistry is fucked.
cuttlefishsticks
My service dog gave me my life back after therapy and medication wasn't enough. Shit like this is just ignorant of real mental illness.
Duvn
So you need to bring your dog out on a 30min-1hour mission to the store? No you don't.
aWiseSageOnceSaid
If it keeps you from falling into a deep depression or helps sooth intense anxiety, who are you to judge?
rencilinkskin
This is also not a dog
runswithchickens
Shouldn't service dogs always have a vest so businesses and people know they are working?
MissSmoo
Technically they should, but the law doesn't enforce that.
cuttlefishsticks
Legally they're not required to have any form of identification at all. They should be, but they're not.
DrHookah
Not required by law. But is usually a good idea.
NeynasGhost
That said, I've heard more than a couple stories about dogs being stolen out of cars, so she may have felt she had no choice but to bring it
hatchforlife
I was always scared around hunting season my beagle was going to be stolen
silverskeeter44
then don't run in for a snack or don't bring dog in car in the first place
knockknock
Or, you know, leave the dog at hone, like every other dog owner does when they go to the store.
SteveTypeRs
Home... You leave it at home.
fuzzymcbutterball
There is a big difference between emotional support animals for anxiety and depression and service animals for the blind This dog is neither
thelonepig
How can you determine that?
pleeplooop
theres are more types of service dogs than guide dogs for the blind
cuttlefishsticks
There are service dogs for anxiety/other psychiatric disabilities. SDs are for a lot more than just blindness.
cuttlefishsticks
Doesn't mean all dogs used for anxiety are service dogs and not ESAs, but it certainly doesn't mean none are.
FusRoDoodles
Aside from the clothing and breed, it's clear this dog is untrained. Service Dogs are trained to stand close to their owner.
thelonepig
There is no universal training for service animals.
FusRoDoodles
No, but there are foundations, the least of which is how to behave in public settings. A dog standing that far from their owner is
FusRoDoodles
not only a risk, but does exactly the opposite of what a Service Dog should do in public: blend in.
Elleeze
There are common standards and most programs/handlers base their training on the ADI. Perfect obedience including heeling would be step one.
Tassyr
There's a difference between a service dog and a therapy or emotional support animal. The former are protected by law. The latter aren't.1/2
AWESOMEBOT
Yup. I have an ESA and I'd never take her grocery shopping.
cuttlefishsticks
There are service dogs for anxiety and other psychiatric disabilities. Just 'cause it's for anxiety, doesn't mean it's an ESA.
cuttlefishsticks
(Still, this one probably isn't.)
Tirak117
Kind of depends. For example emotional support animals are allowed on airplanes because of DOT rules which require access for them.
maxsayo
There was a guy at my local grocery store who said he could use legal action against us if we asked if his chihuahua was a support dog
maxsayo
Now I must ask, was that guy full of shit? Or is there some law that I don't know about? He made my fellow coworkers afraid to ask
Elleeze
Support animals aren't allowed entry. You're allowed those 2 qs ^ but if the dog misbehaves you can kick them out legally.
pleeplooop
support dogs dont legally have to be allowed
AWESOMEBOT
You're allowed to ask if it's a service dog but not what for. Service dogs can go anywhere. Support and therapy dogs cannot.
maxsayo
Thanks for the info. He was so mean about it that I think he was just using that behavior to cover for not legally being permitted.
pleeplooop
legally you can ask if it is a service animal and you can ask what service it provides. But you cant do much more than that.
maxsayo
Thanks for letting me know. I knew something was weird with the dude.
Tassyr
http://www.psychdogpartners.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions/laws 2/2
Occasionalfunnycomment
I didn't read but psych dog would be a great show
TheBurpyPony
CraftyyWitch
Emotional support dogs are supported by law per the fair housing act, more restrictions than a service dog though
pixarpizza
They are only allowed in no pet housing and on airlines AT THE AIRLINE'S DISCRETION, meaning the airline can refuse to let them fly.
BananaForScaIe
Depends on jurisdiction. Whether there's a kitchen. Whether alcohol is served.
thelonepig
Under the ADA, emotional support animal are not service animals.
pleeplooop
No, it doesnt depends on jurisdiction ADA is a federal law.
BananaForScaIe
I'm in Canada. That's jurisdiction. America isn't the only place on earth.
pleeplooop
it is when you comment on a thread talking about laws in the US
jackedape
Tell us more about this mythical wonderland!
pleeplooop
the comment you replied you was specifically talking about the US. what do you now understand
BarbadosSlurm
She would probably claim it's a comfort animal and that her doctor gave her permission
IC3MAN187
Did you just assume her gender!! GTFO.. ????
FernandoRumdebum
It's illegal to question it apparently
kgregs15
A store owner/employee is legally allowed to ask the following two questions: Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability?
kgregs15
And what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
FernandoRumdebum
If they can't do any sick tricks can you kick em out for being nerds ?
myfirstaccountwasshadowbanned
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, as a landlord I can confirm we can't even ask for proof.
FernandoRumdebum
ha, only half right. @kgregs15 clarifies below. I knew it was something weird ha,it's mental you can't ask, it's your building!
lazywife
"comfort animals" aren't given the same rights as service animals.
BoofBoofPass
"i think they knew that"
imadethisaccounttotellyouthis
I agree, but the law says it's discrinination to call someone out on their comfort/service animal. Easier to let a dog in then risk a suit.
CaliCrow
Service animals are different than therapy or emotional support pets. Only service animals bypass restrictions and must have proof it's /c
CaliCrow
What they say it is if bringing their pet somewhere not normally permitted. Such as an apartment that doesn't allow pets.
NZSheeps
Cool. It can play with my comfort alligator.
ataraxia
actually, businesses are allowed to ask if it's a service animal and what service is provided. they can also kick out disruptive animals.
pixarpizza
To further this, if the person says it is an WAA, they can boot it, AND misbehaving TRUE service animals.
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pickinupthesoap
That might be CVS's policy, however, businesses have the right to inquire about service animals. It's because of liability.
squirrelfury
Policy and law are 2 different things.
ClifEsq
No, the law does not say it's "discrimination" to ask for documentation. Actual service dogs have paperwork and are ADA protected; 1/
Elleeze
Depends where you are. No paperwork required in the US. It is required in most of Canada.
aufkurs
It's required in all restaurants in the US.
ClifEsq
"emotional/comfort" animals are not trained, often do not have any paperwork, and are *not* protected by the ADA. They can be removed.
AlabamaNerd
True, except when it comes to housing. Comfort animals are covered by Fair Housing.