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https://www.axios.com/2025/01/24/ice-raid-newark-new-jersey-immigration-us-citizens
StunttheRunt
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
If they want forged military papers their first stop should be that wife beater Pete
AlwaysInTheshadows
It's been 4 days...
PoliticalWanderer
TheJuiceLoosener
This is what the modifier "mass" means in context of "mass deportations. It means no due process, plain and simple.
ThailandExpress
darkchiron
I told my mom the gangs rounding up 'immigrants' wouldn't stop to check their papers. She thought I was crazy.
CheesecakePi
Is this the part where we pretend to be surprised?
LitchLitch
The best response to these situations is a community response. Observers detect the incoming raid and warn the community, people who can impede and obstruct the raid, people who need to leave are smuggled out, random other people are mill about and add to the yhe confusion.
If youre willing to escalate the situation take pictures of the federal agents and post them with any identifying information. They have names, they have addresses, they have people that are vulnerable too.
SirBillington
And then report the agents as undocumented migrants
trippingthelightfantastic
eaglesfield
The Constitution of The United States of America is Trumps toilet paper.
beoluves
Also it doesn't exist on the white house page anymore.
theInfinitelyProlonged
KommanderKayriel
Guys, we know where this leads. We've all read history books. We've seen history channel. We've maybe even heard it from the mouths of survivors. Auschwitz is coming. It won't just be for 'them', it'll be for all of us. None of us are safe. No one's coming to save us, there's no United States to save us from... the United States. Trump and the GOP are in league with Putin and the CCP, the three superpowers are all led by fellow evil tyrants. WE have to stop this. Forcibly. EARLY.
ooofest
It's always been about inciting terror. That's what Nazis do. To everyone.
thisFishSmellsAboutDone
Welcome to Germany 1933. We are so sorry for you. Sincerely, the free world.
MerriMod
Now I'm just thinking back on all those interview videos with POC who voted for Trump, saying how they wanted the immigrants who "didn't do it right like they did" to get rounded up. So confident that they weren't going to be included in that, because they're "one of the good ones". It'd be funny if it weren't so fucking terrifying.
Lontri
Yea I wonder how many people that voted for Trump will get deported of sent to camps, or even killed, because of all the terror he's unleashing.
azimir
Quislings are a very real thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
This is gonna be some red scare shit.
pinkypiesbutt
"Your paper, please" *German accent
Affray
1)At a family Christmas function last month my wife's cousin and I fell into a "ver are ze papers?" bit because he has a coworker who is
Affray
2)German and part of his job is to check on site permits. Obvious goldmine. After probably a few too many swipes at low hanging fruit we
Affray
3)simultaneously realised that the grandpa in the corner had come to Canada because his family fled the German war machine in the 40s.
REOJackwagon
South African accent
ReverseSyzygy
SouthernUSA/SwingState/BrooklynSlumLord accent
RetrogradeLlama
Fascism on parade.
PimpinKen
And i don't know what to do to stop it
Ororon452
De Fuehrer's Face. All I'm saying. Downvote me all you want but you want to change shit? You gotta show them they are fucking (i always bleep that) clownshoes. Get a flashmob, go to the outside fence of the Whitehouse, and do a performance of 'de Fuehrer's face'. Facists don't care they are hated by the people. Who the fuck are we but peasants? Show them they mean nothing? Watch shit change. STOP BUYING AMAZON, STOP USING X, STOP ALLOWING ANYTHING THAT ISNT AMERICA SWAY YOU!
LAMovieDesign
On top of it being incredibly cruel, this will backfire spectacularly on the economy. Instead of Trumps first few days, working on real issues, he’s signing EO’s removing anything to do with transgender verbiage from government websites. The entire planet is laughing at us, especially Putin, who orchestrated this thing waaaay back in 2014. All the gullible Fox “News” watchers bought it hook, line and sinker and are now even sympathetic to the Russian dictator. Same boomers who cheered in Rocky 4
HalfADozenBearCubs
Indeed! As the crafting of the 4th Amendment was in reaction to the blatant history of disregard for personal property and commonly accepted individual rights shown by the King of England (and his appointed governors, among others), it seems the Governor of New Jersey is liable for the problem if he doesn't defend American citizens in his state from the gross overreach by deploying his National Guard troops to rid the state of enemies (domestic) that have invaded, while awaiting reinforcement 1/
HalfADozenBearCubs
from Active Duty troops. But what if the Commander in Chief orders them to stand down and allow domestic disturbers of the common welfare to violate ammendments 4, 14, and others? Well, they are sworn to defend the constitution, so I would go with "unlawful order" and hang out waiting for the court martial AFTER ensuring that those enemies are either defeated or captured. Nothing less will suffice. I mean, what are they going to do? Allow the fascists to win? That's NOT why most of us joined.
PoliticalWanderer
Random thought hit me as I read this: a song parody of "Welcome to the Black Parade" but it's "Welcome to the Blackshirt Parade" instead.
xizar
Rage on.
Zixtank
No immigrant, eh? So they're gonna deport themselves and 99.9% of the population, right?
coffeeandprozac
Oh no, not a press conference! That'll really hurt their feelings! /s
If the powers that be engage in unlawful and unconstitutional practices against the citizens of its own country, then it's time to respond in kind. Stop playing by the rules while allowing the other side to cheat continuously.
nizbit
It's the prisoner dilemma.
thefishbulb
Shock doctrine
Roaddog184
And more there will be a headline that that mayor has died of mysterious circumstances, remember the Supreme Court said that he could do whatever he wanted while president.
ItsACrazyWorld
Of course it was a fucking lie. Are you fucking joking?
jalcantara88127001
This will just start the new civil war by making it be the states that are and the states that don't. I hope it ends how the movIe Civil War does.
nickelrocket
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rossonerinho
I wonder what color Trump will choose for his brownshirts.
Yupurineutah
Red. To match their hats, ties, and Russian allegiance.
GeneralPrower
Red, to signify how expendable he sees them as.
arumunus
Red hats.
You know in myth, "Red Caps" were vicious, stupid, angry goblins who would dye their caps in the blood of those they've attacked and killed. It was a badge of strength to them.
Don't know why I'm constantly reminded of that..
kayakninjas
Black and gold. He just freed a bunch of them from jail.
IamAlbertPotato
It's like the storyline of Born in East LA starring Cheech Marin
Yupurineutah
I was born in Chicago.
rossonerinho
https://imgur.com/UsHe0NF
BofusTeefus
And Republicans will cheer. Dirtbags.
LitchLitch
So will a whole bunch of democrats.
America is a deeply racist country.
zeacorzeppelin10
I would love to see them defend the shooting of a priest when a church gets raided and in the eventuality when a priest gets shot. ICE is the new Gestapo
Fastjack2056
...I'm just gonna go ahead and say the quiet part out loud: They don't give a fuck if you're legal, they just want an excuse to terrorize brown people. And gays. And people who aren't Christian. Or who are the wrong kind of Christian.
Because it's not about the law, it's about power
Zeterai
Gotta have an outside group to terrorize so you can keep your internal cohesion. The instant conservatives no longer have a unifying Other to hate they turn on each other for failing meaningless purity tests. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3fAcxcxoZ8
ballsoutflyer
Always has been.
KYGELL91
This is why I chose to arm myself. Maybe they'll come for me or my neighbor but it won't be without protest
REOJackwagon
Ukraine is putting up a good fight against Russia with US leftovers. They have drones, they have DARPA shit. If they were worried about people doing that, they would take their guns away. Actually wouldn't be surprised if they roll out maga gun laws
expfarrer
i guarantee you that is coming next -
LitchLitch
You going to hold your family hostage or are you going to allow yhem to leave before the swat team puts a bullet in your brain?
KYGELL91
Yikes my dude. You sound awful
SomeDetroitGuy
You're the one with the Rambo fantasies. We're all just wondering how many innocent people are going to get in the way.
KYGELL91
Don't include innocents or people that cant speak for themselves to your fetishes
LitchLitch
Just trying to get some clarification on your position, are you going to use your guns to hold your family hostage?
Because thats about the only use your guns are going to be against an armed and armoured tactical unit.
MessyWanderer
Oh, someone's in favor of the 2nd amendment now?
KYGELL91
You clearly don't know me 😂. My favorite amendments are the 8th and 4th! In fact the bill of rights is the best part of the Constitution in my opinion. There are other amendments that hold similar weight though. Let me know if you need help looking those up
ballsoutflyer
Better to engage in the arts of the sabateur - they're more prepared for a head-on fight.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Maybe, but if someone comes for you, you need to be prepared for that.
KYGELL91
I am prepared
WickedSludge
Lol. Get a load of this guy who thinks he can hold off the most over-funded and under trained police force on the planet. Good luck!
KYGELL91
Thats a fair assessment. I assume your compliance will help you live longer and you don't really need those neighbors.
JiffyPopPhantom
I'm with ya buddy. Most of us have guns its just not our entire personality lol.
KYGELL91
Thank you! I just recently started and I'm learning.
JiffyPopPhantom
Nice! Be safe and enjoy yourself. Tell your friends. Anyone that can pass a background check and take a class on proper gun safety should get a gun if they want one
REOJackwagon
I don't think he meant to roll over, just look for legal ways to protect you and your neighbors
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Self defense IS legal.
impotence
While I two billion percent agree, very fucking rarely is pulling a weapon on a cop treated as self defense.
KYGELL91
I concur. Do it legally
mksu
Too bad the cops are all the same side or I'd say have local police arrest ICE for kidnapping.
QuartzPoker
Depends on the jurisdiction. Sometimes the small town hatred of the feds is enough of a difference
chansuke
Don't worry, there's bound to be some fuck up of epic promotions, and when that happens ICE will throw the local PD under the bus.
NairouTryyshokk
Given that the police are unhappy about the pardons for J6 rioters, there is a chance, though small.
Gruesslibaer
They're only unhappy because the J6 traitors attacked cops, they don't give a shit about the threat the terrorists pose to the rest of us.
SomeDetroitGuy
The police aren't that unhappy about the pardons.
algavinn
Some are mad, given that some of the rioters were wanna be cop killers. One of the big union/lobby police corrupt organizations threw a fit.
SalmonTheWise
Unless they're so mad they're willing to cross the blue line and become good cops out a sudden, they will get over it.
algavinn
More likely they'll be mad forever and die mad. Which they were going to do anyway, so...at least it's funny.
QWTFODDBALL
They don't actually give a shit.
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
They'll fall back in line rather quickly, can't fight fascism while also fighting to maintain your own fascist controls over a population.
Ororon452
The cops don't mean shit though! People are so spoiled with their netflix and their amazon. It's the bystander effect. "I don't have to do it because my neighbors probably already did". Stand up to that shit! Small piece, can't believe I'm going to this point but someone has to, look up thermite, ok? It's basically super heated up rust (I'm SUPER GENERALIZING THAT). stick that crap on the hood of a squad car while they are abusing someone? It'll melt right through the engine
slayston
Go get em tough guy
mksu
The cops should mean shit though, and it is not OK that they don't.
minant
(Note: thermite is all well and good in principal but it's not that fast and it's much more difficult to get started than you might expect.)
CBadger
Yup its incredibly stable. You basically need to preheat it for a while then push a sparkler into it so the temp spikes enough to start the chain reaction, not super useful unless you're trying to weld railroad tracks together or make huge iron sculptures.
I really doubt cops would stand by for 20 minutes while you pop their hood and build a dam on their engine to contain super heated molten iron.
Castironpeppers
*cough* copper *cough*
minant
Definitely the spicier option reaction-wise, but I've never tried it myself and I don't know how difficult it is to ignite.
Castironpeppers
If you mix a little with your iron thermite it makes ignition noticeably easier, add in a little magnesium powder on top and it will light like a fuse, magnesium lights copper which lights off the bulk iron
ballsoutflyer
Hey nonvoters and ptotest voters. This is on *you*.
Imsomewhatofaboobmyself85
As someone who voted for Kamala. These comments only turn off would be voters and people like me.
ballsoutflyer
So you're going to sit there in your indignaty and let a fascist take over? Give your head a shake. Get past your own ego and feelings, and focus on the mission.
REOJackwagon
Anyone who disagrees with this, you can give your excuses, but deep down, you know they are right
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
I disagree with this, but not because I don't think they share the blame. It's because I think we need to be careful not to let our feelings of betrayal overwhelm our anger at the right people. Our real enemies are the fascists, the people dismantling out democracy. So feeling justified anger and betrayal at non/protest voters is valid, but save most of it for the ones actively causing harm. Fighting off bystanders doesn't stop an active assault.
Renza0
question, what do you call someone who knowingly and willing, enables and/or supports a fascist?
Renza0
to note, that was not aimed at you, unless you fall into the category anyway, but the people who did knowingly and willing enable/support the fascists
GenStrike
No, you asshat, it's on the people that voted FOR the terrors.
GenStrike
If you truly believe the rhetoric that the next guy is a fascist (and guess what - I do) you don't sit down and have tea with him and give him the keys to the kingdom. You fight him every step of the way. Guess which one the democrats did?/
woobniggurath
Its on the hacked vote tabulators. And on Elon.
MissSiesta
But NOW it's on ALL of you, because you can't afford to sit back and not protest the SHIT out of this. Get out, organise, and set fire to cars in very public scenes.
BeardicPerformance
It’s also on all the Republicans who voted for him.
stevencloser
chemicalBagel
Arguably they're the main ones at fault!
BlazeMarshall
I feel like there comes a point where blaming the people actually committing the crime just becomes redundant, and you need to start thinking about the people who could have prevented it, but chose not to.
thedudeman519
I read that as potatoest voters
itsjustplaid
A potato would've had better sense in the booth.
sanri0
It is quite red here in Idaho…
LitchLitch
No, this is on the DNC for the refusing to allow people who could actually win to be in the ballot
ssjalhazred
Liberals for some reason have a very hard time admitting that an election is a contest that a candidate needs to actually put effort into in order to win. This obsession with sitting back and doing nothing because Trump, Republicans and their media apparatus that got us here will self destruct any day now, that the democrats are helpless innocents who did everything they could, has got to stop.
thefishbulb
Seriously the Dem glazing on this site is absurd
Altanese
'allowing fascism and bigotry is understandable if the other option is only centrist'
LitchLitch
As opposed to the DNCs "allowing (worse) fascism and bigotry is fine if the other option is socialism"
Altanese
So you agree? The people who protested and didn't vote for Harris are just as guilty as the DNC for running Harris?
LitchLitch
The people who protested? Absolutely not, there is no guilt there.
The ones who didn't vote, at least in the batlleground states, do bear some miniscule level of guilt.
But guilt can only exist in proportion to the power you have. Joe voter in a battleground state had maybe 1/10,000,000th the guilt as one of the decision makers in the DNC.
If you support the DNC youre nothing more than a sycophant to power, slightly better tatse than the maggats but the same fundamental failure.
xmaneds
WRONG -- Kamala was the best available candidate
anarchoFeline
if she was them she would have won
SuperSaiyanYamcha
Show us polling showing otherwise then.
ssjalhazred
The quality of her campaign suggests otherwise.
LitchLitch
She might have been the best available candidate who would refuse to do anything about gaza or make the DNC billionaire class uncomfortable.
Thats why this is the DNCs fault.
Itslukus
Not only is Trump not doing shit about those same fucking things, but actively making the entire situation worse also... if kamala had been voted in we wouldn't be dealing with any of this shit and possibly vould have come to discussions through protest to make.our point, that shit ain't going down now.
LitchLitch
Thr people who forced us to choose between him and her are the problem.
And youre delusional if you think Ms. Harris would do anything in response to protests.
Leithoa
The only options were, R) All the palestinians dead D)not all of the palestinians dead. 0 dead wasn't an option and sitting on your thumb has the same impact as choosing All of them dead. I hope your ideological purity comforts you as you watch a genocide happen having done nothing to stop it.
LitchLitch
There has been a genocide happening for over a year and the Democrats did NOTHING, except to link arms with the Republicans to supress the protesters and send more money to the zionist butchers.
It isnt "ideological purity" it is cold pragmatism. The DNC wont do anything and will stop anyone who tried. Where local democratic orgs can be reformed they should be, but in most of the places they are in power they will not be swayed.
A racially diverse oligarchy is still an oligarchy.
thefishbulb
Why do you people keep giving the Dems a pass? They are impotent frauds who knowingly ignored data about their base. They knew what the stakes were too.
ballsoutflyer
Who do you think had the final action?
IHateApostrophes
This is all I think when people complain about non voters, instead of trying to understand why they didn't vote. I still voted but it felt gross because Dems are so right wing now, I can see why a sizeable portion of the electorate went third party or stayed home
ballsoutflyer
That would have been a goid point four years ago, or even eight years ago. This election boiled down to "keep what you have" versus "watch as your friends get put in camps".
flipsy
Because if you were given the known choice of "dive into fascism" and "maintaining what's currently going on" and you thought not voting was STILL the better option thus letting "dive into fascism" win, you basically fucked people harder than the Dem party did with their poor candidate choice. The math ain't that hard.
thefishbulb
I'd believe the "lesser evil for now" narrative if the Dems were being crucified for their historic incompetence. But they're not.
AnonKneeMoose
This is in all brutal honesty the point, at the end of the day, media will blame anyone but the rich- people become resentful. How Fascism latches on. Every. Fucking. Time.
IHateApostrophes
And that's why I voted. But we keep seeing this happen every election, we know what the problem is, and the Dems in power refuse to do what it takes to get votes: appeal to those who aren't willing to vote for a lesser of two evils. It just feels like misplaced blame to me.
ElChupaNuggra
I don't feel like it's misplaced blame, a VAST Number of those who are 'lesser of two evils' argumentists 'I won't vote for anything less than a progressive candidate' were REALLY, 'I won't vote for anything less than a WHITE MALE Progressive Candidate', do not fucking excuse the racism and sexism of these 'white knight' voters, it's not all, but fuck me a shit tonne of these 'better future' democrats are still sexist and racist as hell.
williamtowel
It's that meme where the person does nothing just helps the right but most doorknobs don't realize that applies to Dems. This far right swing has been happening since the 90's and Dems either helped it or did nothing. They lose votes then they themselves swing more right and wonder why the fuck there's a 100mil registered voters that just aren't. I get the stakes, i think most lefties do so i voted but the average American with no real grasp on politics other than things have got worse, didn't.
expectnothingstillletdown
This is on Trump and his enablers. Our list of allies grows thin. Do not shorten it needlessly.
ballsoutflyer
They stopped being our allies the moment they stayed home or protest voted. We can't count on them for support.
KinetoPlay
People who wouldn't even get off the couch to vote against that shit goblin are his allies not mine.
expectnothingstillletdown
Only if you want them to be.
KinetoPlay
And what if I want them to be my allies? If I spend my time and effort courting them, what do I get? They don't vote again, but this time they sit at home watching TV but privately think to themselves that what's happening isn't great?
That's not helpful.
If everything the orange weirdo promised to do couldn't get them to put a tiny mark on a piece of paper, what do you think there is that will change their minds?
GenStrike
There were a lot of people who couldn't for one reason or another or who were disqualified. Add to that there were people who LEFT the republican party because they could not support the shift towards fascism, but who were villainized all the same for their failure to support dems. It's all black-and-white with you folks.
slinkiisu
I'm sorry, but it is a demonstrable fact that people who didn't vote could have changed the outcome. Fence-sitting only supports the fascists.
KinetoPlay
The writing on the wall was "Vote or people die" and millions of losers said, "Probably not me though." And stayed home.
It's a black and white issue.
And leaving the republican party means nothing if they didn't vote against it after.
GenStrike
You're completely missing the point. People had their ballots disqualified. People were prevented from voting for reasons outside of their control. You're busy blaming people who were victimized by the republican party for the success of the republican party. SMH.
GenStrike
Leaving the republican party means that fewer people voted for republicans. That objectively, materially, brings you closer to an electoral win.
GenStrike
AND, I might add, from YOUR frame of reference that was the obvious outcome. But we are a highly propagandized & silo'd culture. Someone coming from a conservative milieu will not agree with you on those terms. Some withheld their vote from the republicans, and that helps you towards your goal. Painting everyone who didn't support Democrats and their frankly limp resistance as an enemy leaves you with more enemies than you need to have. Seems like bad strategy to me.