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loser9999
Best tree donation i have found https://www.edenprojects.org/
iLikeTrails
And then an asteroid hits earth and kills the trees.
stren
Didn't know this was either or situation
hobbitdoc
Fallacy of relative privation.
bronx72a
Makes me sad because planting trees is nice but often greenwashing. Help us stop people from destroying natural areas in the first place.
swatz
"Keep all your eggs in one basket" -this guy
BrightestNight
Even P-Hub gave America extra wood back in 2014. And they aren't billionaires.
ShaykhalJabal
The mars idea is to avoid a TPK if an asteroid hits earth
mrthewhitee
A pipe dream.
ShaykhalJabal
Aren’t all dreams until they’re achieved?
Mitchz95
Also, a civilization capable of traveling to Mars will also be much more capable of defending Earth.
SurfHill
LooseyGooseyBrett
No shit. I hate these arguments of one or the other.
Asadsadsadclown
Stop building *personal* spaceships to Mars.
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HasteTheFool
There's another basket? Fuck this basket! /s
Lightsmith
Anyone who thinks Mars is a viable expansion to Earth doesn't understand what the planet it like.
TheDoobyRanger
Trees: Boring, lazy, sneezy generators, flimsy. Mars: Cool, has Perseverance, no allergens, rock hard. Earth: loud, people. Mars: tranquil.
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
Mars: named after cool Greek war god. Earth: named literally dirt.
NomadUniverse
Because we totally cant and arent doing both....what a stupid fucking statement
GTimgur
Stop building period. Stop increasing the population. Reduce what you consume. Take care of our increasingly fragile ecosystem.
Sokonomi
yeah nah, I want to get AWAY from you all. This planet sucks balls.
RalphH
The planet is ok, the people on it ....
soultarr
SalmySwims
Trees alone won't fix global warming. We need kelp forests, wetlands, bogs, grasslands. We need nuclear and renewables.
thenewteddy
things like this irk me because we really need to be doing both.
JimSilly
It’s not one or the other.
WeaponizedJerk
Completely missing the point of spreading humanity on more than one space rock, but sure why not.
IshMoNk
Barking up the wrong tree with this argument……
DarkDesertHighway
Great start and I’m all for it, but trees aren’t going to do anything if an extinction level asteroid is heading our way.
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
What if we grow a really big tree and carve it into a baseball bat to swing at the asteroid?
5amNonsense
I think we should worry about the apocalypse that's currently happening rather than a hypothetical later one
Synaps4
There is nothing hypothetical about it. There is an asteroid out there right now with our name on it, guaranteed.
5amNonsense
Which one? Cause on a long enough timeline it's certainly a valid concern, but the planet is boiling and I feel like we should try and focus
5amNonsense
on trying to make it livable instead of trying to hail mary ourselves to Mars because an asteroid *might* kill us, y'know?
RalphH
That is exactly what politicians have said about climate change for the last 4 decades.
5amNonsense
I'm literally talking about climate change
MagnusMan
Both? Can we please do both
The22ndDoctor
Trees don't grow that tall.
5amNonsense
You gotta get a really tall one, climb to the top, then bend it back and catapult yourself there
theDogter
So, genetically modified bamboo.
DigitalPizza
Genuine lol
potentiallyunsafe
OmnesMundiLardum
alfindel
Maybe if we invest billions on a GM crop...
Sentrisable
Time to bring back the world tree
PsychoDK
Not with that attitude!
q2grapple
*altitude
HeirElfSquire
bleepbloop5
So you won’t need to go into space then
Ryebread91
FNH8U2
Hah!
Crawmak
Just stuff some dirt in the branches of one tree and plant another, repeat this step until space
Zobbie
Then mix human and monkey dna to develop a being able to climb tht tree with a mars rover on its back
AlwaysUpvotesRaul
**NASA wants to know your location**
SLCtechie
I once saw a really big tree though
Dasnekones
People keep cutting them down prematurely. If we only let them grow we would already be at the moon.
Syrpynt
People are cutting those ones down illegally to make some "nice furniture" for internet likes and black-market level profits.
ArcadiaBerger
We could definitely grow trees that anchor an orbital tether, possibly trees that actually reach geosynchronous orbit. That would be cool.
5amNonsense
Let's go full elf
jsbeare3337
Orbital anchor trees. That's the coolest application of 21st century green tech I've ever heard of.
AlexKeed
https://mana.fandom.com/wiki/Tree_of_Mana
Skibszilla
Like what is the argument?
IainG101
Idiotic is what this argument is......
hesaidsarcastically
One does not exclude the other. Do both.
EricPisch
Musk has done both
EricPisch
Click most trees https://teamtrees.org/
Gvilain
exactly, both are a necessity - exploring and colonizing space and preserving livable planets
Patient00
Is exploring a necessity tho? I mean, making shure our homeplanet isn't destroyed should be a top priority
Gvilain
it is, cause as genesis were singing "too many people, too many problems" we need more living space asap
Patient00
Yeah but there are simpler ways to solve that, imagine shipping all "extra people"?
Gvilain
which are? what are simpler ways? restrictions? there are other ways to host 10 billions on earth? what about 100 billions?
q2grapple
But that costs money /s
Karmak
Ok. I'll take that bait and ask the question. Then what would you suggest we do because at this point, we are out of low budget solutions.
q2grapple
Oh I think we should do whatever it takes at this point. That’s why I put the /s there
WaveMotionGum
Each rocket you send up would require 2,200 trees grown for 40-50 years to offset. Seems doable but I don't know if they are even trying.
kaneinencanto
Both. If we as a race live beyond this turbulent infancy, we're going to have to leave this planet at some point or share its fate 1/2
kaneinencanto
When the sun eventually starts to die and swallows the whole inner solar system.
f0622
Only planting trees will not solve climate change. Above all we have to stop burning fossile fuel.
f0622
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba8232
Xenarion
But think of the economy! /s
f0622
https://youtu.be/dhvOJrkhh8I
f0622
https://unece.org/forests/carbon-sinks-and-sequestration
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
I donated $100 and the place was like, "Thanks, we will plant a bunch of trees with that!" I could only imagine what a $billions could buy
Voidstrider2230
They've done that.
WinstonSmith101
A trip to Mars…
tesseract4d2
Not trees. Moss. Bamboo. Things that sequester carbon immediately, and quickly. Trees take forever to grow. Moss can grow in days, and
JayEnfield
And then a forest fire just turns all your tree back into atmospheric carbon anyways.
tesseract4d2
Almost *all* of its nutrients are pulled from the air instead of soil.
CasualBoulder
Sorry, the idea of launching giant moss balls into space to balance the carbon footprint is too funny. In all reality, wood industry in >
CasualBoulder
NA as far as I know is 100% sustainable. We don't need to plant more we need to save the important forests. Like the Amazon.
tesseract4d2
The wood industry being sustainable is nice, but we're talking about using plants to remove carbon from the atmosphere. Trees don't do
tesseract4d2
That particularly well or quickly.
Chewiedawookie
It’s always easier to run away from your problems, than to face and fix them.
Voidstrider2230
The problem is a lot harder than planting trees, and it's a problem musk can't fix, he can certainly help though.
zafner
Lol. Not to Mars it isn't
Bullheadbelly
I always hated this argument for two reasons. 1. We can do both and 2. Technology developed for space travel is all about recycling.
SiberianYettis
Elon is doing only good things for the planet. Fight me
Xenarion
Also, it's not like space exploration has a crazy high budget. Especially when compared to military stuff.
Kittynomnoms
Yep! You'd think from these stupid memes that all our money goes to space travel, but most of it just goes to blowing each other up.
Green11ndys
We need to do a lot more for our planet, but we also should not have all our eggs in one basket.
CommissarFuklaw
Also, the economy is better served by these billionaires SPENDING their money rather than just sitting on it and accumulating.
CommissarFuklaw
The money does not just vanish, it gets used. Building a spaceship and not planting trees is better than doing neither imo. But yes, do both
Haniel81
Agreed, and also the people paying for one are not going to pay for the other.
Xenarion
That, and space exploration has brought a lot of today's technology. Satellites are a cornerstone of modern informatics.
Kittynomnoms
Modern insulations (a big part of reducing carbon footprint) are also the result of space tech.
hakunamatatamotherfucker
Space institutions are mostly run by smart people, countries and people, not so much.
PiggyWobbles
right but we dont do both, one is funded so billionaires can show off their space dicks, the other is not sexy
Ayrich
This, A million times, this. Space tech will save us and trees will help us get through until it does.
slinkydust
You need 50 acres of trees per person to absorb their lifetime emissions.
SLCtechie
To me it’s a similar reason to the BLM argument. While we can do both, we really need to focus on saving our planet for all life more
Kittynomnoms
That's absolutely not how humans work in general, but also space tech is a big part of how we track and predict climate change.
playingdead2022
What about reusing
shiiieeeeeeeeeeeettttt
Stop advancing in science and plant more trees!! (I’m JK of course)
bamwa
1. We can do both......let's see how this ages, smarty
mrthewhitee
Except we aren't doing both. Those doing space are focusing billions on it and the carbon cost of it is immense. Not balanced on the benifit
MisuseOfLiterally
yep, theres a much needed place for space tech. It pushes further every other aspect of society. THE WAY its being pushed is the problem now
WaveMotionGum
Fascinating. What technology developed for space travel is currently being used to reduce or prevent the effects of global climate change?
Kittynomnoms
Satellites and insulation would be two big ones. Most modern insulations are the result of space tech.
WaveMotionGum
Mylar for sure was mastered for space. Best weight to insulation ratio.
Xenarion
Modern climate observation is mainly done via satellites.
hitshappens
Except we don't have the technology necessary for sustainable space travel let alone terraforming. We need to understand more quantum (1)
hitshappens
(2) by investing in local resources so we can actually do this realistically instead of salivating over trying to brute force Star Trek
GuyPilot
Still waiting for someone to explain what's useful about Mars.
Kittynomnoms
About colonizing Mars specifically? Probably the only thing we would get out if it is the tech advancements we would make to make it 1/2
Kittynomnoms
possible. However, we learn things and gather valuable data. Just because we have other concerns doesn't mean we shouldn't learn more. 2/2
paulwks
From what I’ve read its so we have a back up of the human race for when a asteroid obliterates earth.
InspiredForestRaptor
Obliterates ala "65million years ago extinction event"... If earth is shattered into pieces.... I don't know that Mars wouldn't suffer?
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
You're right, we can do both but we don't do nearly enough to save/preserve our own planet. Which should be priority at the very least.
mgjunk87
How many trees have you planted?
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
Actually quite a few. My parents have a few acres that I've hand planted on and I've donated money when I can afford it, to tree planting.
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
I've also done some restoration volunteer work.
mondanmondan
Well how many spaceships to Mars have you built?
Fairemont
Problem is the few people racing to the bottom when it comes to destroying the planet far outweigh what everyone can do to fix it
ComicSansHumor
NASA is less than 1% of the United States' budget. :'( And that's spread across everything they do, including climate monitoring.
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
I am not personally arguing against NASA, I'd wager most people are talking about the Billionaire Space Race.
cheddarhat
Planting trees is free. Go do it, bring friends.
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
I have on several occasions.
FallingStar7669
Let's be honest, if we were smart with our money, we could be doing ten times as much for both with plenty to spare.
5TUP1D
One day of not spending money on our military could plant a massive forest of trees.
CreativeMapleCookie
Like stopping poverty by not satisfying the needs of billionaires. That would build up that 10 times to 20 times. A fuck it, let's do wars..
Bullheadbelly
Not disagreeing with you but that wasn’t the meme was suggesting
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
Right, but I wasn't talking about the meme. I was both agreeing with your comment and building off of it with my own opinion.
Bullheadbelly
SchwiftyGameOnPoint
PTNLemay
I do find it's a fascinating concept. Terraforming the Earth instead of Mars. It's bigger, but it's also closer. If we can bring CO2 /
LongoloidFartExplosion
Terraforming Mars is virtually impossible, also not worth doing.
mrthewhitee
Earth's also like 90% terraformed already, we just need to rebalance it.
PTNLemay
/ and other pollutants back down to reasonable levels, it will serve as good practice for terraforming Mars.
MuffinMan5666
We talk about terraforming other planets while we destroy the one we have. We know the damage an refuse to change. Humans deserve extinction
QuartzPoker
Who says anyone deserves anything? There is no higher power judging us for that.
swatz
Butt he earth still cycles, unless you really do want to try and completely control it moving forward, eventually Humans will overpopulate<
someuser
I don't think humans will overpopulate. I don't think any 1st world nation is having babies quick enough to replace the dying
swatz
>and should still expand, if you want the race to continue and survive. Assuming earth won't have another extinction level event is silly.