Much harder to forgive than the political direction ist the fact that they listened to this abominable piece of scum for more than 30 seconds without turning away in disgust.
Personally I've only known one maga that changed after 2020. All the rest are still all in. Wish I could see more people come out but for most it is the sunk cost fallacy.
Politics is one of THE most important things to be aware and active in, period. Government and politics runs our lives a LOT more than people think and that's the price we pay for society existing. We NEED government and we need politics, actual politics, not culture war BS that the Republicans spout. If you like Republicans, just admit it's because of the hate and acknowledge you're a shit person.
The damage MAGA has done has been global. Many grifters and scum bags have tried to copy the lying formula supported by (mainly American) billionaires. There is a lot of anger towards America, a lot
Yeah, it seems like an afterthought now, but packing SCOTUS is a multi-generational blow against real US Democracy, and is the single biggest harm Trump and MAGA have done to the world.
MAGAs who leave the movement and immediately start crying that non-MAGAs won't forgive them are just showing that the only reason they left is because they weren't getting what they wanted, not because they know what they did was objectively wrong. Someone who is truly contrite about that level of harm will understand that they have to put in a proportional amount of work to repair the damage before they have any hope of being accepted again. No one owes you a get out of jail free card.
I absolutely agree with the sister not to forgive. It is in fact not a game. But keep in mind that there are maga husbands cutting all financial control / independence of the their wife’s so they could control them. Wife’s have sometimes no options except to follow their husbands believes. And of course there are hardcore maga believing women. Fuck them.
These were people that had every smart person out there telling them they were making a bad decision. That choosing to vote MAGA would hurt people, would hurt people that they KNEW PERSONALLY, and they still chose to do it. That isn't just stupidity, that's willful ignorance and cruelty. You don't get forgiven for that just by saying, "sorry, I realized I was dumb." Their actions have gotten people killed.
I ghosted them all; friends, associates - luckily all of my family are intelligent and recognized drumpf as a liar, grifter, scammer, etc long ago. They have all tried to get in touch with me but I'm done with them. If you are stupid enough to fall for that piece of shit and join his cult, you cannot be trusted for anything.
"I want to feel like you don't hate me. But, if the winds of fortune change, I'll vote for him a fourth time, because I can't bring myself to vote for a Democrat, you understand, right?" Actual quote from a friend I used to have. If you feel sorry, that's fine, but saying it is the FIRST part of an apology. In fact that's the easy part.
It is tough. Many of us have had long-term friendships or family members with folks we really liked, but knew there was always something unsaid. My friendship ended with a good buddy when he lamented about standing in a checkout line and he was the only white guy in line. My non-white wife was in the kitchen at that time. Sayonara, dude.
I cut out my maga vet brother. He told me that I needed to come around to his way of thinking or I would ve burning bridges. I told him "You just did." I hung up on him. He called me back and started cussing me up one side and down the other and told me when he dies that I'm not allowed to the funeral. I said fine. I hung up on him again and blocked his phone number and Facebook.
Forgiveness is not something you just ask for and get, it's what you might be blessed with if you've truly repented and are atoning for whatever wrong you did by the person or people that were wronged. And even then, they're under no obligation to oblige you. Christ isn't a magic make-it-go-away machine, He told us explicitly that we had to put in the bloody effort first, because as a species we're a dumbarse distant offshoot of fish that couldn't figure that out for ourselves.
I wonder how people felt about the Germans that supported the Nazis right up until they found out about the death camps. Like... THAT was their line too far. You think people welcomed them back?
Apologies that are hollow and because you were told too are even worse. That's just a lie. Like "making" a child say im sorry. They're not and will usually tell you so even as T they're apologizing.
Changing your mind AFTER you are personally affected doesn’t make you much less of a dickbag. It just means you are no longer immune to reality after it slaps the shit out of you
That's what struck me the most from this story. Her actual sister was pleading not to follow this maga bullshit because it would ruin her, and yet, the woman still went through with it. How do you even live like that? And then have the nerve to ask for forgiveness once you yourself are getting affected by your choice? Man, there's some really stupid and selfish assholes in that country I tell you what
I’ll grudgingly give you a pass if you supported that platform the first go around but I will never forgive those who continued to support MAGA after the first shit show.
The harm being done was glaringly obvious in his first term and if you didn’t care enough to educate yourself about it or actually supported it, fuck you
Agreed. Hillary was seen as a complete political insider, using her connections to get where she was and Trump was seen as successful, coming right off the height of his popularity with The Apprentice, and spoke very well as "a political outsider." His hate hadn't hit full on tilt at that point and we didn't know just how unqualified and dangerous he could be because we expected the actual politicians to "Keep him in check" so to speak. After that though, you knew who he was.
after Bernie lost i told people to vote Trump instead of Hilary with the Argument that they're both Evil but trump is too dumb to hide it.. and he is so uncaring of norms that people would learn about the constitution every time he bends another rule.. and i argued after 1 Trump term.. the Dems would score the biggest Election win in history.. and than the GOP would lose every election for like 20 years in a row.. Bidens win was among the biggest ever.. but 2024, Americans have goldfish brains..
A LOT of the MAGA bs is just "White Fragility: gone wild. That book should be taught in schools when this whole thing is over and taught in history classes with the Salem witch trials, and Watergate. It all makes perfect sense when you put it all together.
this...anyone not educating themselves enough before the 2016 election, disliking hillary for being establishment while thinking trump was not and would stir things up and bring new wind, i can see how that went...stupid, but plausible...but after witnessing sheer incompetence in combination with utter evilness for his entire first term, there is no excuse for 2020 and 2024, at those points people voted for him because they liked him being incompetent and evil...no forgiveness for those...
Exactly, no forgiveness. No sympathy. Fuck all who ever voted for him or even thought he was a good candidate. Those ignorant, stunted, narcissistic, self-serving nazi fucks all should have maga carved into their foreheads so they can't take it off. Never forget or forgive.
A lot of people didn't know about the Central Park 5, the discrimination lawsuits, the cheating and the grifting. They knew 2 things: The art of the Deal existed and he was on The Apprentice.
I hated trump long before 2016 because he conned my parents into joining ACN. I still have my phone to remind me what a piece of shit he is.
Yeah... and the fact that that's all they knew when they voted is a scathing indictment of both their intelligence and their reckless disregard for the well-being of other people.
Forgiveness must be earned.
Earning it starts with owning up to the fact that they did great harm to others, then spending a great deal of time and energy atoning for it. "Oopsie, my bad," isn't good enough.
belkh2o
Much harder to forgive than the political direction ist the fact that they listened to this abominable piece of scum for more than 30 seconds without turning away in disgust.
hockey4mal8
Personally I've only known one maga that changed after 2020. All the rest are still all in. Wish I could see more people come out but for most it is the sunk cost fallacy.
dixxienormus
All that could have been a 15 second post with less head shaking.
0570
To those also dealing with ADHD: this video can be summed up to FAFO
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Politics is one of THE most important things to be aware and active in, period. Government and politics runs our lives a LOT more than people think and that's the price we pay for society existing. We NEED government and we need politics, actual politics, not culture war BS that the Republicans spout. If you like Republicans, just admit it's because of the hate and acknowledge you're a shit person.
YATZl
The damage MAGA has done has been global. Many grifters and scum bags have tried to copy the lying formula supported by (mainly American) billionaires. There is a lot of anger towards America, a lot
MarsIsAfire
Yeah, it seems like an afterthought now, but packing SCOTUS is a multi-generational blow against real US Democracy, and is the single biggest harm Trump and MAGA have done to the world.
doctorId
MAGAs who leave the movement and immediately start crying that non-MAGAs won't forgive them are just showing that the only reason they left is because they weren't getting what they wanted, not because they know what they did was objectively wrong. Someone who is truly contrite about that level of harm will understand that they have to put in a proportional amount of work to repair the damage before they have any hope of being accepted again. No one owes you a get out of jail free card.
jlist
Spoken like a true Republican. "I didn't know it would affect anyone until it affected me!" - signed, a former Republican
makeamericasmartagain9000
I absolutely agree with the sister not to forgive. It is in fact not a game. But keep in mind that there are maga husbands cutting all financial control / independence of the their wife’s so they could control them. Wife’s have sometimes no options except to follow their husbands believes. And of course there are hardcore maga believing women. Fuck them.
RichardPenne
SprinklesMckitten
You cannot unflood that Creek and you cannot undrown those children.
You cannot retroactively use the Biden funding to prevent the flooding and prevent those deaths.
Those babies are dead and buried and you must live with the consequences, cause they wont
ThrowAwayAcct0000
These were people that had every smart person out there telling them they were making a bad decision. That choosing to vote MAGA would hurt people, would hurt people that they KNEW PERSONALLY, and they still chose to do it. That isn't just stupidity, that's willful ignorance and cruelty. You don't get forgiven for that just by saying, "sorry, I realized I was dumb." Their actions have gotten people killed.
BrickSprickly
Lost my brother to MAGA. It's up to him to come back.
karlfrack
I ghosted them all; friends, associates - luckily all of my family are intelligent and recognized drumpf as a liar, grifter, scammer, etc long ago. They have all tried to get in touch with me but I'm done with them. If you are stupid enough to fall for that piece of shit and join his cult, you cannot be trusted for anything.
DynamoJoeHoHo
I like him
exbenedict
Yeah. I will never forgive them and I will never forget.
SuperfluousMeh
I remember watching this dude yelling at his chat about how Israel has a right to defend itself. Fuck Texas Paul.
imyourrealdad
If you were ignorant and hateful enough to vote for Trump, I don’t trust you can ever change.
KingOfTheImgurians
"I want to feel like you don't hate me. But, if the winds of fortune change, I'll vote for him a fourth time, because I can't bring myself to vote for a Democrat, you understand, right?" Actual quote from a friend I used to have. If you feel sorry, that's fine, but saying it is the FIRST part of an apology. In fact that's the easy part.
astrangehop
The classic apology form was a joke, but nails all 4 imho.
You need A sorry, Apologia, recognition of harm, contrition, and intent to change.
SuperfluousMeh
I cut my whole maga family out, like a an infected sore. And I am wonderful without them. The body cannot heal while there is still infection.
FermentTheRich3000
Ditto. They are now contacting everyone they can find in my life to 'check on me'.
SuperfluousMeh
Yes, they tried that also. But everyone I knew was fucking maga so they were all cut out too. 😂 they're not missed.
losamigos
It is tough. Many of us have had long-term friendships or family members with folks we really liked, but knew there was always something unsaid. My friendship ended with a good buddy when he lamented about standing in a checkout line and he was the only white guy in line. My non-white wife was in the kitchen at that time. Sayonara, dude.
Roqinn
I cut out my maga vet brother. He told me that I needed to come around to his way of thinking or I would ve burning bridges. I told him "You just did." I hung up on him. He called me back and started cussing me up one side and down the other and told me when he dies that I'm not allowed to the funeral. I said fine. I hung up on him again and blocked his phone number and Facebook.
speedonthis
That sounds fucking awful. I hope one day you get your brother back.
TheSecondPiewackit
"If you don't conform to my politics, I'm going to deprive you of my stunning personality and wit!"
Frozenspokes
Vets depend on the government more than most people.
MadamPuddifoot
I lost both my parents and my only living grandparent to being republican. They aren't (or weren't) maga but they voted for Trump all 3 times.
RockTheBackblast
Forgiveness is not something you just ask for and get, it's what you might be blessed with if you've truly repented and are atoning for whatever wrong you did by the person or people that were wronged. And even then, they're under no obligation to oblige you. Christ isn't a magic make-it-go-away machine, He told us explicitly that we had to put in the bloody effort first, because as a species we're a dumbarse distant offshoot of fish that couldn't figure that out for ourselves.
Osiricus
I don't speak with my mom anymore over this topic.
Lugh314159
I wonder how people felt about the Germans that supported the Nazis right up until they found out about the death camps. Like... THAT was their line too far. You think people welcomed them back?
datphone777365
Casual ignorance is willful ignorance.
Loctavius
My sister isn't even MAGA, but she is brainwashed enough by the right that she thinks me protesting the regime is somehow funny.
mksu
Apologies without atonement are just self-indulgence.
malbec
“An apology with contrition or penance is manipulation.” -someone much smarter than me
StealthToaster
*without
malbec
Thank you! /facepalm
BenderRodriguz1010
Apologies that are hollow and because you were told too are even worse. That's just a lie. Like "making" a child say im sorry. They're not and will usually tell you so even as T
they're apologizing.
Poopoopeepeevagina
They're selfish. "I want to feel better by apologizing, but I don't want to make any real effort to atone"
MajorNikon
Changing your mind AFTER you are personally affected doesn’t make you much less of a dickbag. It just means you are no longer immune to reality after it slaps the shit out of you
Orc6000
“You voted for the leopards eating people’s faces and now you’re upset they’re eating your face” isn’t a basis for redemption.
LeYuno
That's what struck me the most from this story. Her actual sister was pleading not to follow this maga bullshit because it would ruin her, and yet, the woman still went through with it. How do you even live like that? And then have the nerve to ask for forgiveness once you yourself are getting affected by your choice? Man, there's some really stupid and selfish assholes in that country I tell you what
69Voltage
I’ll grudgingly give you a pass if you supported that platform the first go around but I will never forgive those who continued to support MAGA after the first shit show.
The harm being done was glaringly obvious in his first term and if you didn’t care enough to educate yourself about it or actually supported it, fuck you
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Agreed. Hillary was seen as a complete political insider, using her connections to get where she was and Trump was seen as successful, coming right off the height of his popularity with The Apprentice, and spoke very well as "a political outsider." His hate hadn't hit full on tilt at that point and we didn't know just how unqualified and dangerous he could be because we expected the actual politicians to "Keep him in check" so to speak. After that though, you knew who he was.
southflhitnrun
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svon1
after Bernie lost i told people to vote Trump instead of Hilary with the Argument that they're both Evil but trump is too dumb to hide it.. and he is so uncaring of norms that people would learn about the constitution every time he bends another rule.. and i argued after 1 Trump term.. the Dems would score the biggest Election win in history.. and than the GOP would lose every election for like 20 years in a row.. Bidens win was among the biggest ever.. but 2024, Americans have goldfish brains..
datphone777365
The irony of that last sentence.
You are a goldfish....
TapiocaMartini
A LOT of the MAGA bs is just "White Fragility: gone wild. That book should be taught in schools when this whole thing is over and taught in history classes with the Salem witch trials, and Watergate. It all makes perfect sense when you put it all together.
RecurringNightmare
this...anyone not educating themselves enough before the 2016 election, disliking hillary for being establishment while thinking trump was not and would stir things up and bring new wind, i can see how that went...stupid, but plausible...but after witnessing sheer incompetence in combination with utter evilness for his entire first term, there is no excuse for 2020 and 2024, at those points people voted for him because they liked him being incompetent and evil...no forgiveness for those...
bigheadface
He was also a known grifter/conman. It was no secret. He also mocked the handicapped openly - they still loved him. Fuck them forever
datphone777365
They get no pass from me the best they get is fake civility as i use them for my own needs and comfort.
Soon as they fail to serve my needs fuck em.
anunexpectedgourney
Lol no. He was a known racist and pedofile well b4 2016 my dude. Fuck em all
Uptoo11ven
Exactly, no forgiveness. No sympathy. Fuck all who ever voted for him or even thought he was a good candidate. Those ignorant, stunted, narcissistic, self-serving nazi fucks all should have maga carved into their foreheads so they can't take it off. Never forget or forgive.
raydnjames
A lot of people didn't know about the Central Park 5, the discrimination lawsuits, the cheating and the grifting. They knew 2 things: The art of the Deal existed and he was on The Apprentice.
I hated trump long before 2016 because he conned my parents into joining ACN. I still have my phone to remind me what a piece of shit he is.
LoudBirb
Yeah... and the fact that that's all they knew when they voted is a scathing indictment of both their intelligence and their reckless disregard for the well-being of other people.
Forgiveness must be earned.
Earning it starts with owning up to the fact that they did great harm to others, then spending a great deal of time and energy atoning for it. "Oopsie, my bad," isn't good enough.
CaptainScarfish
I worry that a total lack of forgiveness will simply drive them into the arms of the next fascist promising to solve their problems.
datphone777365
Drive is a delusion. They will willingly do it regardless of they are treated. Suckers gona suck.
CaptainScarfish
Some will. Some won't. Forecasting a specific future action to tens of millions of people is foolish at best.
datphone777365
"Them" is vague enough that it cannot be wrong so long as 1 does so. Its a very safe bet based on damn near assured odds.