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Apr 24, 2018 6:48 PM
psuedon
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note the year 1991
MoreAshyThanLarry
I'm a big fan of his music but he believed in some nutty conspiracies.
ChloePrice
Well, today we also have the internet in almost any device imaginable, so we can read any constitution in any place we so desire. How neat.
NotWrenP
2018 graduating in 2 months and am taking AP government. I am in Northern Idaho too and we are like 46th in education
blagon
government is taught in schools, don't upvote this shit
comealongjones
I took civics in 8th grade (2000) and government in high school, had to pass constitution tests as state reqs both times. But okay.
comealongjones
Also social studies encompasses all the "social sciences", although they usually just smush together geography, history, & civics in school
MahaDahGee
Had civics in 1986.
Homophone
Class of 97, we had civics.
blaskHitBeast
Very smart dude Zappa was.
entropyk
Smart and clever. My favorite MOI album "Absolutely Free!" Sub-titled: "You MUST Steal This Album Now! Top 40 will never, ever play it!"
sombrerohorsewagon
It was a state requirement to pass the Constitution exam after Government class where I grew up.
MrTay
What? In 2012 I had to take it as a senior and it was one of the mandatory pass classes to graduate and you had to pass the rights test also
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
Civics exists, it's just an elective now.
SinisterSlacks
2013 grad. Had a civics class, I feel like this is an isolated indecent.
RevolutionOnHerLips
Graduated 99 and we had no civics class. But in American History we did talk briefly about the preamble.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Not every state requires civics and there isn’t a standardized constitution test. But that is improving.
BecauseImboredThatsWhy
They taught about the Constitution in my social studies class....
PrincessNakedMoleRat
All 3 of my teenagers took civics, and a financial literacy class.
zlRebel
My highschool has it as a required senior class.
TheOvy
Took civics in 8th grade at my public school. And then pre-IB government in high school. Maybe he meant a specific state...
TheOvy
A sibling of mine went through the same classes and retained very little of the knowledge. Sometimes, the people themselves are to blame.
zim57398
Graduated in 2007. Definitely had a Civics class. Outside work was required, often attending local city council meetings.
SonofAngus
I graduated around 2011 and we had a civics class, it was just called law. We also had social studies classes that covered the constitution
DogPenguin
2012, ours was called Government and went over the Constitution and how the gov was set up and operated.
RunShadowfax1
Seconded
Isthe4thtimethecharm
The problem is too many people only learn something for the test.
Tamedsquall
We didn't. As well as many other common classes other schools had.
EarthFinger
I graduated in 11 also and we had a government class. For some reason we went over capitals in that class though
GreaterDog
Social Studies was my K-8 subject, pretty much a catch-all. 9-12 required "Civics" and "Social Issues". Separate courses, different topics.
ScrewUTube
Graduated same year, had neither. To be fair though, ridiculously small school
AlmightyVerb
Same here. Even memorized the Preamble and Bill of Rights at the time, as I recall.
azazyel
I still remember the Preamble from 30 years ago
squilliammmmm
Even had to memorize all the presidents, along with significant events in some of the presidencies in ours
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
if a text you can read online is "one of the best kept secrets" you should consider taking up reading. It helps
SilentRage237
Uh, who tf didn't have civics?
Ihaveyourgifsrighthere
Graduated in the 1990s and we had civics class. Also, Social Studies teaches the same content, just a different name.
WhyKnott007
I’m old as fuck, but in early-80s Florida, we had Americanism vs Communism.
Ihaveyourgifsrighthere
Anti Stalin educationalizing, I like it
Marcster01
Virginia 2016 grad here, had Civics in 8th grade and Gov in 12th grade
Ihaveyourgifsrighthere
To the Commonwealth! Central Va?
Marcster01
Northern!
Ihaveyourgifsrighthere
Used to live there, Loudoun County
asquiiiiiiisha
Ours was called National, State, and Local Gov and it was the same thing - government structure and history, bill of rights and amendments
xaenex1
Then I'd get a cup of coffee, and give my foot a push. Just me and the pygmy pony over by the dental floss bush
BigFatPaulee
Ahhhhhh somethinny sumthin DENTAL FLOOOOSSSSSS!!!!
JAFIOI
With a zircon-encrusted tweezr in my hand...
Mikey667
Every other wrangler would say...i was mighty grand.
SteelyDad
Pickin' up the floss and waxin' it down, puttin' it in a little white box I can sell downtown.
FingerMcCutty
Gleaming in the moon lighty-light.....
OBx2
Moving to Montana soon.
SwedishKarl
Instead of standing up for them, high schoolers are actively opposing them, wanting to take them away from people. Mindboggling really
SmolTenk
How is that mindboggling? Whenever politicians seem to be too lazy to do anything about a problem theres a call for quick
SwedishKarl
It's mind boggling bc their solution to the "problem" is stripping rights away from people
SmolTenk
action, regardless of how effective it might turn out to be.
AnnieBahde
They’re using their first amendment rights to assemble and speech to petition their government for a redress of grievances. You may disagree
AnnieBahde
With their ends but the means are legitimate expressions of their constitutional rights.
Glassesmanic
The freedom of speech allows you to advocate the abolishing of the freedom of speech. Swedish Karl is against that, which is also free.
Glassesmanic
I happen to agree with SK over here.
SwedishKarl
No one is saying they aren’t
AnnieBahde
You said they weren’t standing up for rights, my point is they’re literally standing up and exercising their rights.
SwedishKarl
Yea, to take others away. My comment was about the 2nd amendment not the first
HandsomeSwede
”High schoolers are trying to take away rights” is a very simplifying, dumbed down and inaccurate way of portraying a complex issue.
BigTex1
Activists are using high schoolers at scripted events to try and strip rights away?
HandsomeSwede
Ah yes, that word. ”Rights”. How about ”people are questioning whether gun ownership should BE a right in the first place”? Start there.
SwedishKarl
There’s is no question whether it should be a right. It’s right there in the constitution.
VoiceofVeganReason
A 200 year old document shouldn't necessarily have the final say. If the right is worth preserving because it's beneficial, sure, but (1)
DouglasRamsey
it was also right there in the constitution only white land owning males could vote. we changed on that one. your logic is severely flawed
HeyOP
1) I like Zappa and where he's trying to go with this, but it's kind of a specious argument. The constitution is still read and addressed in
HeyOP
2) schools, regardless of what they call the class it's read in, and it's freely available for reading on the internet and, likely, in every
HeyOP
3) public library in the nation. And unless you're hiring two constitutional lawyers with pretty varied views on interpretations, going much
HeyOP
4) beyond reading it is probably ill advised at best, bordering on indoctrination at worst. And if you *do* hire those two
HeyOP
5) constitutional lawyers, will the class ever result in anything but bickering about the meaning of "well regulated militia," or tyrrany,
Meloncov
You should also read, or at least read about, some of the most important Supreme Court decisions.
HeyOP
6) to get into whether or not taking someone's biometrics to unlock electronics should constitute a violation of the fourth or fifth
TheInventor
Always upvote the Zappa. Was one of the most intelligent men in the music industry. Didn't listen to his music much but his interviews...man
thedownlowe
I'm right there with you
CyborgScribe
Except civics classes still exist and social studies teaches the same stuff anyways. So...maybe most intelligent in his industry but...
CyborgScribe
...that sounds like damning his industry ratjer than praisekng him knowing how far off base his is.
CyborgScribe
But...i confess I just have this one post to judge him on. Any other quotes to share?
Heathen92
I haven't followed him much but he's full of shit here so I'm not sure what interviews I should watch...
Nalianna
He was amazing in the senate hearings.. (as was Dee Snyder)
Superkroot
I dont know much about Frank Zappa other than he called the Shaggs 'better than the Beatles' and I still don't know how I feel about that.
Superkroot
This is the Shaggs btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxPsXPCR5MU
TheInventor
You don't have to agree with everything the man said to appreciate his thinking. I wasn't into his music but his views on religion etc....
MrKnowItAll1903
Don't fool yourself girl! It's goin' right up your poop chute!
DrShrinker
It's winkin at you.
iLikeHockey
Ayayayay
clownqueefs69
Ayayayayayayayayayayayaya
purdhapley
The man was a genius in many ways. If I could recommend on album it would be “joes garage”.
purdhapley
One*
SteelyDad
I usually start people off with "overnite sensation" but that's a good starting point too... say, is that a real poncho you're wearing?
OtherErinFromTheOffice
Apostrophe is also probably his most accessible, too. And yes he was a genius. A smug fucking asshole, but a genius nonetheless.
hyrule05
Why does it hurt when I PEEEEEE?!?
OtherErinFromTheOffice
Some hilarious tunes on there, but man Watermelon in Easter Hay gives me goosebumps. Beautiful song
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Idk what kind of shit school you went to but my Highschool, in piss ant Mississippi, taught government
Jeager7
Yeah we have civics class in my Highschool MN
Sage042000
New Orleans here and Civics was a required class. So required that when they accidentally didn't give it to me in 10th, 1/2
Sage042000
2/2 I had to take it in 11th grade with 10th graders.
CeramicPeterGun
Did we go to the same school?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Lol potentially
CeramicPeterGun
Oh, crap. Coach Moorhead is gonna be pissed!!!!
anonnymoosecommenter
I don't remember him.
jetflight
Yup. Mississippi does. Nebraska does. Idaho does. Coasts? Well, it varies there.
SpecialAgentAssbutt
We had government and economics at mine that rotated mid-semester, and A.P. History with a kickass teacher that taught the Constitution, etc
anonnymoosecommenter
Did you have Mrs. McClung?
TippiGordon
Too bad not many of your fellow Mississippians paid attention.
thefellerwhathadthatusername
Graduated '07, Louisiana. Civics/Free Enterprise hybrid (FE was 100% bullshit); crap half-history class taught by a coach who didn't care.
funchermuncher
Howdy neighbor! We did too we learned the constitution to a degree and learned the amendments and bill of rights and I graduated in 2011
Heathen92
I had Civics in 2004. I don't know what this idiot is talking about but it's a pretty good case for not taking life lessons from celebs.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Yep
adventuresofthebathroomdiver
I had civics and aced that shit back in 9th grade. Im glaf we learned that shit back then cause it has helped me more then once
ShepsShip
WA State 2011 high school grad with associates degree and currently in college. I studied the structure of us politics once in 6th grade.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
So the north ain't good for everything
bobadrew
Fellow Mississippian here, can confirm.
waynebradybitch
Texas has government class too
entropyk
Yeah, and REQUIRES credits in Texas History for college diploma. Or did in '70 when I had mine assessed for transfer of credits.
waynebradybitch
I never got a 4 year degree but Texas history was required for me in middle school
entropyk
I was still in Army, trying to apply for a Texas school on discharge, and I was born in CA, grew up HI, HS MI, so yeah I knew where TX is...
entropyk
Don't get me wrong. I loved TX, still do. In fact, all my ex's (1) DO 'Live in Texas', as the song says..!
justgowatchitnow
you sure it wasn't said like "gubbermint"?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Well sure.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Kinda anyway, "Gubmit"
BigFatPaulee
Your school taught the entire government? Sounds about right.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
What
anonnymoosecommenter
Well, damn. I ... Just, wow, who shit in your grits? #not allmissississippians
BigFatPaulee
If my grits gots shits or spits, I just sits and eat its.
anonnymoosecommenter
Well that's a grin and bear it attitude if I ever heard of one. That'll do.
BigFatPaulee
Threewisemen
Mississippi schools have always been 50 years behind everywhere else; they'll be getting rid of civics soon. (joking, not joking)
Threewisemen
And Mississippi is great, I'm just being a smart ass.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Lol. I could see it.
anonnymoosecommenter
Eh, it's kinda okay. If you like heat, humidity, blessin ppls hearts, hunting, mostly friendly ppl, old racist grandmothers, and fishing.
MekaNoise
It's weird to see hunting, fishing, belssing other people, and people being fairly friendly in a list that's supposed to be bad things.
anonnymoosecommenter
Oh it was a mix really. You take bad with good. And blessing ppls hearts is really neither here nor there. It's like a backhanded compliment
whoisyourdaddy
how many constitutional amendments can you name without looking it up?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
13, illegality of slavery, 14 citizenship, 15 black voting, 18 prohibition and a billion (not literally) more. I'm a History major tho
orangeyougladitsnotbanana
I doubt that you're from Mississippi. You missed #2 bear arms
whoisyourdaddy
I believe we should arm all bears. Then they wouldn't be endangered.
orangeyougladitsnotbanana
Idk they are pretty scary in person on their own.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
I skipped all of the original ten, ass the Bill of Rights is synonymous with the Constitution because of their near simultaneous ratificatio
thatshytidontlike
ass
whoisyourdaddy
History major - you only got 4. Better than me, but that's not saying much. Our schools in general need improvement.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
nice try, there aren't any schools in mississippi
spacecadet103
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Well of course not. You spelled Schewl wrong
BangaBanga1
I’m from Mississippi and I can attest to this
coznestersmiff
Grew up in MS, haven't found a school yet
Tornadotaco
My civics class in 1996 was basically an anti communism class
GodMonster
Mine in 2001 was basically an anti-capitalist class. I suppose it depends on the teacher.
DevonGronka
At this point I suppose I'm an anti-capitalist and an anti-communist. Neither makes sense, and lots of people warned about the dangers 1/2
DevonGronka
of both of them for a long time.
GodMonster
I'm socialist and anti-capitalist. Communism could work for a time but I think any system has to be regularly evaluated and adjusted.
BlueYoMind
The state holds all the power in socialism. Who is doing the evaluating and adjusting?
CasualFascist
Capitalism is the worst
joesasquatch
Says the CasualFascist.
SomeFurryTrash
No it’s fine, it’s only casual fascism not serious fascism so it’s not that bad right?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Good it should be, considering communism is one of the worst governmental forms ever and always ends in either failure or worse
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MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Uh...I didn't talk about communism
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
What it means anyway
1400Smegabytes
Worse? Double failure?
GamingMule
Death of a hundred million people.
DimmestLemming
I mean, the problems with Marxism should come up at some point, but a class about your government shouldn't be about problems with another
Theonethatdoesntneedagun
Found the Porky
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Wat?
Theonethatdoesntneedagun
And a normie? wow
bigdickdalrymple
You like public education and healthcare? Because you're a communist if you do... just saying
chockodragon
Saying and not thinking. And not knowing
iamnotAstalker
I mean China, Vietnam, and Cuba are relatively successful. China’s economic policies aren’t exclusively communist though. S Korea had
iamnotAstalker
Park chun-lee instituted several 5 year plans that went were centrally planned by the communist state and were successful.
iamnotAstalker
Shit I think I’m wrong. South Korea wasn’t communist, but the 5 year plans were economic plans orchestrated by the central government.
rando84
China & Vietnam only became successful once they liberalized. Cuba has, until now, always relied on wealthy foreign sponsor governments.
FireElemental
Communism is an economic model. Marxism is what you are thinking of.
Carcin0genesis
Socialism is an economic idea--public ownership of capital. Lower-case-communism is a political ideology which emphasizes the goal of 1/?
Carcin0genesis
a classless society, which for communists implies socialism to end economic class. Uppercase-Communism is an authoritarian government 2/?
harlemwordington
“Marxist-Leninism” aka Stalinism. Communism and Marxism are fairly synonymous
FireElemental
They are only to people that don't know any better, so most people. More has been written on communism by anarchists than by Marx(ists).