Nah, the sign would be bare minimum. If someone is willing to cut down trees on public property, I don't see it as a stretch they would cut down a sign. There should be fines and some sort of physical punishment. Have them plant 100 new trees.
Fines do nothing to those who can afford them. It just becomes the cost of doing what was desired. It disproportionately affects the poor and doesn't stop the affluent. They can just pay it then still benefit from the new view.
The sign denies the one who cut down the trees from benefiting in the mean time while the trees are replanted, at which point the sign is removed. No point in doing it if they don't receive the desired benefits. This is how you effectively leverage incentives.
It obstructs their view so they don't get to enjoy it while the trees grow back. Otherwise, like many others have said, for rich people it's just the price tag for a nice view.
So, not sure if you know this, but trees grow slowly. Those people would have their nice pretty view for years before the trees start to obstruct again and then they can just cut them down again and pay another “fee”. Punishments should fit the crime and the ability of the perpetrators to fulfill the punishment.
There’s quite a few trees dying from bora beetles and low water levels. That makes vandalism even more heartbreaking. They plant three trees to replace a vandalised tree in my city.
Its one of the great quiet tragedies of our modern world, that plant diseases are spread. The american chestnut nearly died out because of a chinese fungus :(
'Borer'. But apart from that bit of pedantry, the government used to put signs up around here that warned people about the presence of European House Borers in the area. It amused me to imagine some random German dude who'd turn up at house parties and regale other party guests about double entry accounting.
I used to work as an emergency call handler for a UK police service, and I have a degree which had a module on wildlife law in the UK. Once we got a 999 call with someone complaining their neighbour was cutting down their own tree, and initially the call was being binned off because people can do what they want to their own property. However, I knew that the law prevents trees being cut down during nesting season (which it was). They ended up going out on blue lights and saving a couple of nests
Not complex. "Me have tree in me proerty" asshole rich neighbor "cutting down tree makes my property appreciate in value for the views" -guy with tree "fuck off, not my property, your issue" arh-"cuts tree". Everyone :fuck you, jave a billboard, a ridic fine, take some classes on nature and .... " guy is rich, nothong happens, except a billboard that makes it worse for everyone"
Well, the reason "tree law" a meme is that in a number of high profile cases, authorities took the matter very seriously and it turns out the law surrounding trees and property and all that is quite detailed and robust, and offenders may be liable for huge sums in compensation, and had their plans foiled. Well, depends on where you are, I suppose.
It’s like it used to be incredibly important, so the penalties are harsh and almost exclusively supports the interests of the tree owner. But also never came into conflict with money interests, so they kept the laws unmodified.
Macetheace50
insaaanity
So if you really dislike someone... /s
2Soon4Baboon
As if cutting a tree makes your view "better". The priorities are wrong.
throwaway12345432
I believe this is most common near beaches. Not that I disagree.
Grinch01
And i hope they have to pay for the sign as well
valen00
proving who killed a tree is very hard. Putting a sign up is pretty cheap. You don't need many signs to stop more "mysterious" tree deaths.
MaterialismBoy
What the fuck were they trying to view? the trees were right there.
fractalsphere
Passive aggressive signage, I love it
mithiwithi
I'm sure it absolutely tanks your property value, too, to have the Sign of Shame clearly visible from your property.
BloodBlight
fformulaa
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TimHackman
NM156
Plenty of governments have good ideas, just not America's!
jamandtoast
Tree law is pretty good.
jojoyojimbi
we used to have good ideas, like shooting traitors for treason or requiring politicians to actually be alive to keep their seats
2Soon4Baboon
America's government has been specifically created to maintain the power of the wealthy while convincing many of the opposite.
Kilo11
Bit of an over reach by the government in my opinion
newsguycraigevans
Kilo11 whenever a wealthy person is inconvenienced
RetrogradeLlama
Nope.
irondragoon
Found the guy who had one of these signs ruin his view.
Kilo11
If you can dodge a tree you can dodge a sign
VibratingNipples
DocFunkenstein
Yeah, god forbid the government have control over public (ie, government) land.
Such overreach.
JanglesPrime
Nah, the sign would be bare minimum. If someone is willing to cut down trees on public property, I don't see it as a stretch they would cut down a sign. There should be fines and some sort of physical punishment. Have them plant 100 new trees.
Metallica93
Destroying public property for personal gain is overreach? Like hell.
Kilo11
The government stepping in and creating an eyesore isnt better, a fine that would cover the cost of replanting trees would be much much better
Katiger
They get a fine as well as the sign.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Fines do nothing to those who can afford them. It just becomes the cost of doing what was desired. It disproportionately affects the poor and doesn't stop the affluent. They can just pay it then still benefit from the new view.
The sign denies the one who cut down the trees from benefiting in the mean time while the trees are replanted, at which point the sign is removed. No point in doing it if they don't receive the desired benefits. This is how you effectively leverage incentives.
DrenLithear
A) Then they wouldn't learn not to be selfish twats.
B) Payable by fine means legal for rich people.
Kilo11
And a free sign teaches them what exactly?
Frostedjakes
It obstructs their view so they don't get to enjoy it while the trees grow back. Otherwise, like many others have said, for rich people it's just the price tag for a nice view.
BenderSaysNeat
Fines are just the fees rich people pay to do what they want
Kilo11
And the trees get replanted and the area is restored , whats the problem?
BenderSaysNeat
So, not sure if you know this, but trees grow slowly. Those people would have their nice pretty view for years before the trees start to obstruct again and then they can just cut them down again and pay another “fee”. Punishments should fit the crime and the ability of the perpetrators to fulfill the punishment.
senslesssensei
There’s quite a few trees dying from bora beetles and low water levels. That makes vandalism even more heartbreaking. They plant three trees to replace a vandalised tree in my city.
angus02
Its one of the great quiet tragedies of our modern world, that plant diseases are spread. The american chestnut nearly died out because of a chinese fungus :(
DarwinsAgain
'Borer'. But apart from that bit of pedantry, the government used to put signs up around here that warned people about the presence of European House Borers in the area. It amused me to imagine some random German dude who'd turn up at house parties and regale other party guests about double entry accounting.
senslesssensei
Ha! I imagine The Beatles on Bora Bora. P.S. ‘Haus’ ;)
OhIfIMust
BenderSaysNeat
As birds live in trees, I believe this is also an opportunity for bird law.
ImurevJourhein
the lawsuit should get a good nest egg, hmm?
Dinkleboop
I used to work as an emergency call handler for a UK police service, and I have a degree which had a module on wildlife law in the UK. Once we got a 999 call with someone complaining their neighbour was cutting down their own tree, and initially the call was being binned off because people can do what they want to their own property. However, I knew that the law prevents trees being cut down during nesting season (which it was). They ended up going out on blue lights and saving a couple of nests
Kotarisu
"I have a structured arbor, but I need seeds now!"
godzilladc
Thanks, J. Tree Wentworth!
BallsToYouMyGoodSir
all jokes aside. fuck thos criminals!!!!!
5ywjdPumpkinPrincess
Call J G WENTWORTH 877 cash now!
TheUnnamedPoet
Tree law is a fascinatingly strange and complex issue
Marsupialmessiah
Not complex. "Me have tree in me proerty" asshole rich neighbor "cutting down tree makes my property appreciate in value for the views" -guy with tree "fuck off, not my property, your issue" arh-"cuts tree". Everyone :fuck you, jave a billboard, a ridic fine, take some classes on nature and .... " guy is rich, nothong happens, except a billboard that makes it worse for everyone"
Allrighty
Well, the reason "tree law" a meme is that in a number of high profile cases, authorities took the matter very seriously and it turns out the law surrounding trees and property and all that is quite detailed and robust, and offenders may be liable for huge sums in compensation, and had their plans foiled. Well, depends on where you are, I suppose.
khora
It’s like it used to be incredibly important, so the penalties are harsh and almost exclusively supports the interests of the tree owner. But also never came into conflict with money interests, so they kept the laws unmodified.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
You say that, but it almost always gets resolved in arbortration.
gaggedandgooped
itwasababyox
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Raventhief
The US government should be disbanded, and the country sold off to other governments.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
With you on the first part, not so much on the second.
RetrogradeLlama
Maybe we could be in another country to manage it for us.
solrev
11th Province?
BlindGardener
Canada DOES NOT WANT MORE MAGATS. The only buyers right now who are asking are China, Russia, and Israel, to whom would you like to be sold?
DukeDarkwood
To whom would YOU like the U.S. to be sold? Which one of those would make a good neighbor?
RetrogradeLlama
China is doing better with modernizing their energy systems. That's probably our best shot.
5ywjdPumpkinPrincess
JohnDennis1999
I call dibs working on the maglev train track between DC and Beijing.