ChemistryAndPhysicsAreFun
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Apr 9, 2018 12:41 PM
ChemistryAndPhysicsAreFun
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immortalbucket
Nestle believes that water is not a human right. He believes he must bottle every drop of fresh water on the planet so he can sell it.
Vhyson
Nestle doing the same in California, on expired permits no less. Courts ruled in their favor. GG
rabbiebabbie
Probably got paid off in chocolate milk mix
aap71
it's more-accurate to say the city partners with an important employer who makes it possible for thousands of citizens to pay taxes.
AluminumCucumbers
Water? Like out of the toilet?
bigmuffin1
BRAWNDO ITS GOT WHAT PLANTS CRAVE
RiceCooker
it's got electrolytes
SkylarCalder
its got electrolytes
justsignedupforthishit
Michigan. Can confirm. Assholes. Assholes everywhere, and mostly in leadership positions.
Hungrypiemonger
as with every other state in our country, just seems more so in Michigan than anywhere else.
justsignedupforthishit
"Seems"? It is more so. Credit goes to term limits.
Hungrypiemonger
oh, are term limits still in effect? i wouldn't be surprised if that got removed at this point.
UsuallyARabbit
Yeah, but you see : money
HerMajestysSecretButthole
Fuck Nestle. I was an external product manager and extruder for their packaging division. They treated their hard workers like shit
HerMajestysSecretButthole
Random layoffs because a particular quota wasn’t met by upper management was the norm...as long as execs made that bling it was peachy.
Second0ne
For fucks sake America
BellsTheorem
Fuck Nestle and their shitty chocolate.
Dusquidnius
LOL Michigan. What a shit hole.
devasto
The Flint thing aside, why the hell is Nestle getting water for free? If they're selling it, shouldn't they pay for it?
whenharrysmeltsally
Perfect post for Facebook, rich with no context or substantiated quotes.
xxoctavianxx
You got a source for this?
tinycutepolypan
http://michiganradio.org/post/week-review-mdeq-approves-nestle-permit-and-state-oversight-flint-officially-ends
xxoctavianxx
That articles says nothing about what is in the post., it talks about how they are allowed to pump more water from the well they already use
FancyFrance
200 bucks a year to pull 500k gallons of fresh water *per day*
ksandstone151531415onestroke
Election time will be soon. Vote them out
Piornet
How many times do you have to keep voting Republican before you realize they're just ass fucking you unless you're a giant corporation?
sowasvonsowas
Harry Truman: "If you want to live like a republican, vote democratic."
Mewmus
because I see what the democrats do in california, i can never vote for a democrat because of that fucked up state (fuck republicans too)
squirrelfury
Because one day, if I work really hard, I could be super rich, and then the laws would apply to me too.
d0o0o0d
Was unaware that Flint is full of Republicans.
Piornet
You're a very special person, aren't you? There are programs for people like you.
d0o0o0d
Are they camps? Campouts are fun!
ShaunDreclin
I still don't understand how companies are allowed to bottle public water and sell it without paying anything
aeronaut005
They don't
thegreatheed
Nestle owns their own well. Not public water.
ShaunDreclin
Digging a hole to access underground water doesn't (or shouldn't) mean you now own that water. It's a public resource.
thegreatheed
In a state literally soaking with water, it's a near infinite resource. They paid everything they should have and got proper permits.
thegreatheed
That's exactly how it works with mining on public lands. You lease or buy the land, pay for any permits, and then you own what you dig up.
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
What if i told you....that you can buy a reusable bottle and fill it with tap water instead of buying bottled tap water.
Mewmus
BLASPHEMY!!!
Frickinglizardking
What if i told you that the Flint tap water is poison and killing people. Thats why they need bottled water in the first place.
Vaanhalen
What if i told you flint has had safe drinking water since it was fixed 2 years ago. That's actually why the bottles stopped
Frickinglizardking
They said to continue with drinking bottled water till the lead pipes have been replaced, in 2020. They also changed the acceptable
Frickinglizardking
standards for the levels in their drinking water to cover their own asses.
Vaanhalen
Are there federally mandated minimums for public drinking water?
thefeckamisigningupwithfacebook
What the other guy said. Understand the folks who said this is safe now also added the 2020 caveat after their lawyers laughed at the claim
ArugulaZ
Rick Snyder is garbage. He'll never see justice for poisoning an entire city because he also crippled unions in MI, a coup for corporations.
indiscriminateasshole
What about the leadership of FLINT MICHIGAN?? what about that garbage? Dems since the 90's at least..
snipekill1997
The leadership of Flint at that time was the emergency manager appointed by the Republican govenor.
indiscriminateasshole
and?
snipekill1997
and that means the Democrats the residents of Flint weren't the ones who fucked up.
indiscriminateasshole
the Flint city council approved the change of water supply by a 7-1 FOR vote.. the City of Flint failed the people of Flint.. The DEMOCRATS
FoxyEllie
This feels like it might be an unpopular opinion, but... I feel like a lot of this hubbub is over nothing. Yes, water is a basic human (1)
FoxyEllie
right and everyone should have access to it. It is part of the responsibility of our government to use its people's tax dollars to create(2)
FoxyEllie
a source of safe water for its population. Beyond that, however, corporations should have every right to monetize their infrastructure (3)
FoxyEllie
, such as bottled water. It's a cost to transport, a cost in materials, a startup cost in building a factory or production line, etc. (4)
FoxyEllie
Essentially, what I'm saying is that while water is a basic human right, it's not the responsibility of corporations to provide that. (5/5)
wadatahmydamie
You’re the kind of person Devo was making fun of
squirrelfury
Yes but they also shouldn't hinder it, which is what Nestle is doing.
gutterfinch
Snyder is garbage
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
As a Canadian this stuff baffles me. How are your politicians this heartless?
Redshirt101
America ...where money is God.. ..I mean freedom.. EH
wadatahmydamie
It’s not our politicians. It’s our Republicans. They don’t even care about policy any more. It’s all about sticking it to the liberals.
wadatahmydamie
Sorta like any TV show with hooting apes throwing a computer to the ground because they don’t understand how technology works.
burningitchyrash
They are getting the water from Lake Superior. This is fluff..
notme222
Well there's a chance that the officials who've been dealing with this for years know more about the issue than people on social media.
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
So why haven't they fixed it?
notme222
Because it isn't just "it". For example, Flint water issue is mostly not with public pipes. It's with pipes inside people's own plumbing.
notme222
So if you live in a house with lead pipes underground, it's not a "heartless politician" that's causing the logistics issue.
wadatahmydamie
That makes their behavior even worse.
notme222
The egos found on social media never cease to astound me. "These experts disagree." "Well then they must secretly know how right I am!"
wadatahmydamie
Oh now it’s experts. Not “officials,” which is what you initially said. Experts agree that Flint officials fucked up by poisoning the town.
wadatahmydamie
But hey, thanks austerity measures. Another victory for fiscal conservatism.
SkylarCalder
we pay as much for a case of 24 bottles as this corporation does for millions of gallons. not considered stealing since it's "groundwater"
kamosey
Boycott Nestle.
agluuo
and just not use water for anything? come on think realistically.
thegreatheed
"realistically". I lived half my life without bottled water.
GodzillaHarddiskson
People have been boycotting nestle for one thing or another since the 70's, haven't made that much of a difference.
Ivegotadiddlybunchofcoconuts
Because of a misleading internet picture?
kamosey
Check out what they've been up to in Africa.
Ivegotadiddlybunchofcoconuts
damn :(
4everwild
Nestle is draining one of our country's greatest assets
MisterYukon
Just take what you need from Canada
yackohno
Yo fuck Nestle for real. What a pile of bricks their CEO is.
Elroydb
Er have you seen what farming is doing to the Ogallala aquifer?
zillian
Idk doesn't the US have a death penalty? Not a big fan but in this case..
DavidECloveast
our PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!
ProcrastinatingWork
*owning the worlds largest share of
AverageTortilla
Yo I was just watching idiocracy and this just reminds me of it
4everwild
From the toilet
whatupmyknitters
i sang your comment to the tune of their "nestle makes the very best!" jingle
CmRock136
But yet, people keep buying their water
jerknmygerkn
Nestle owns a lot more than just bottled water. Just look at this old image:
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CmRock136
Wow, that’s insane. I had no idea. I try to just do my own filtered water and bring a reusable container with me wherever I go
SunBrolem
See this is why cyberpunk failed. It promised us our corporate overlords would have cool names like Renraku or Saeder-Krupp or ARES. Instead
SunBrolem
they're named Nestle and Johnson & Johnson.
zma123456
Simple, stop buying bottled water and instead invest in a reusable bottle. I invested in one since 2016. Haven't bought a case a since.
jamineal
I BET YOU'RE JUST WITH BIG REUSABLE BOTTLE TRYING YOU TRICK US.
XB0XYGEN
People buy bottled so they don't use tap water
zma123456
Well that's the problem. There is demand from the people for bottled water. If there is a strong demand, companies will keep on pumping.
AfterFeather
The problem is not demand, the problem is regulation and law.
cuzitsthere
Really, that's a distinction for your political affiliation. Should we regulate it, or should you buy a water filter and stop supporting 1/2
agluuo
which is?
wafflespleasenow
The Great Lakes
cuzitsthere
Water. He's talking about water. How the hell did you miss that?
SirMickey
Water? That's an American thing now? Damn, you guys move quick
DontTalkToMeOrMyWaifuEverAgain
Your strawmaning him mate. Cut it out
LetsBeReasonable
Nestle is a Swiss company actually.
cuzitsthere
You're a fucking idiot.
RandomImgurian
Well not exclusively, no, but IIRC Americans heavily rely on water for drinking, washing, and all sorts of other reasons.
Flossugar
Yes, only Americans are effected by corporate greed. If only we could embrace the practices of the rest of the civilized world.
Flossugar
You know, like Chinese sweat shops or Russian labor camps to name a few.
MajorasFall
Technically you have embraced those things, since alot of major retailers still use out of country child labour for manufacturing. \O/
Flossugar
And once again, how again is this exclusive to America? The point I’m making is you will find this in all corners of the globe.
6pace
patent pending
4everwild
Do you not drink water where your from . I'm confused ???
Douchejr
No just moonshine.
GiantRobotsRule
Saying "Our country's precious fresh water resources a great asset" does not imply that another country doesn't value their water.
jgumby
Corporatism is a euphemism for fascism
Dontyouknowyoucanfly
No. Fascism is a collectivist movement with an all powerful government conscripting the people into a singular military goal
sh3nhu
It's more similar to feudalism. Corporations don't really discriminate, they just want slave workers stuck in their jobs and consumerism.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
No, fascism hates you with passion. Corporatism is just really sorry they have to let you die but they have to make a profit, you know?
ChickenChickenBurningBright
do you even understand what those words mean, or are your just reading from antifa brochures?
jgumby
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14007-no-actually-this-is-what-a-fascist-looks-like
snipekill1997
Flint water has been under the lead limit for two years and you can pump water on your land for free in most states. This is nonsense.
Dionysus187
The sources are fine. Its the pipes leading to houses the lead is coming from.
snipekill1997
Nope the EPA measures at the faucet. It includes those pipes and thus is representative of what people are actually drinking.
imgrwasd123
People in flint cant start digging wells in the backyard of their rental slum? Has anyone ever been to inner city flint?
snipekill1997
Or perhaps I was referring to the second part where they were complaining Nestle was getting water for "free"
thefeckamisigningupwithfacebook
Yep but residents told NOT to drink/use tap water until 2020 (based on 'we could get sued if we said otherwise legal advice)
snipekill1997
Source?
thefeckamisigningupwithfacebook
The announcement back in 2017 that said it was under also included the warning/advice... and the March 20th court ruling.
snipekill1997
give me a link I mean.
fluhatinrapper
Right, but individual residents still have lead tainted pipes. Would you drink out of a Flint tap?
snipekill1997
Nope, EPA measures are done from the faucet and thus include the residents pipes.
clickclackmootpoint
Depends on how thirsty I was
wadatahmydamie
You’re being downvoted even though you’re right.
snipekill1997
Except he isn't. EPA testing (which is what found it to be safe) is done at the faucet and thus includes those residential pipes.
wadatahmydamie
Except he is. The residents of the city are being advised to drink bottled water. Still.
snipekill1997
Source? And who is advising them? Because it sure as hell isn't the EPA who's job this actually is.
SomeDetroitGuy
Michigan is stopping the free bottled water for Flint because Flint's water has pass Federal limits for two straight years now.
Sumpte
Except residents are still advised to drink bottle water, because the pipes are fucked. Nice red herring.
Ravenbreaker
The lead in the home owners pipes falls on the homeowners to replace. Lead was used in pluming till it was banned in 1986
Sumpte
No it doesn't, which is why there are free replacement programmes. The lead only became a problem because it was damaged by the water change
Ravenbreaker
Then why are people whining about it? If there are free replacement programs, why are they whining?
Sumpte
Because until they are replaced they can't drink the water, you dumb fuck.
d0o0o0d
Ssssh! Political shitposting isn't about facts.
HitlersArtCritic
What are the federal limits and how far does Flint go to provide better water if they've been passing limits for a few years?
NewProtectorate
Hey shut it we are busy hating on corporations. Facts have no power here.
RobCrawford2
How dare you bring facts to his rant!
Dionysus187
The water sources are fine, its after it goes through corroded pipes and comes out houses faucets with lead and salt in it
wizardofkek
Kcinlive
Very true! I don't know anything about the Nestle part though.
Bob570
Came to post this.
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ImNotRacistBut
http://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-29701_74909_74922-457586--,00.html
Dyrtysoks
BishlamekGurpgork
"...buuuut you're gonna power through it..."
ThanXPham
Yeah. Usually objective facts should be believed. You should give it a try
Slydevil13
Flint resident here. There is still shady shit happening. Only some of the water is passing tests. And some of it is just for lead and not
Slydevil13
other substances. My water tests lead free but if I leave it out to evaporate there are some weird buildups being left behind. Some of
Slydevil13
the other neighborhoods are still having brown water coming out of the pipes. Not enough people have had pipes fixed yet and they
Slydevil13
take away the free water even though half the city still has shit for water
Slydevil13
I'm sure the asshats in their fancy cars at town hall had their buildings taken care of and act like its fine now
AlkeneThiol
All tap water has weird residue. That's why people get softeners and use filters. Its still safe to drink. Just get a Brita filter
wadatahmydamie
This solution is balls. Fuck you, you drink it. Clean water is a basic human right.
Slydevil13
I know that, in my home town I drank tap water and its left residue sure. But the stuff here is real sketchy looking.
morelikeconsham
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.... nestle still shouldn't have access to free water, though. They should pay for it, same as anyone else.
d0o0o0d
They are paying for it, same as everyone else. When you have your own well, you don't pay by the gallon.
CaptainObvious313
The problem is a corporation will draw more water than a resident ever will. So it's different.
d0o0o0d
The comparison you should be making is not to residential usage, but agricultural. Agricultural users often measure water usage in acre-feet
CaptainObvious313
Agreed. good point. That being said, agricultural use of water is a huge suck. Poor management can lead to disaster (ex. The Dust Bowl)
snipekill1997
They are paying for it at the same rate as everyone else with land, $0/gal. You don't have to pay to pump groundwater on land that you own.
BishlamekGurpgork
The government is givingbtgem free groundwater with my tax money!
toboldlygowherenomanhasgonebefore
Which they do ($200). "This" seems to be a rational report https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-02-04/tiny-michigan-town-water-fight-nestle .
theirownreward
The water supply is technically safe, but residents are still discouraged from drinking tap water because lead plumbing is still prominent.
fluhatinrapper
Someone e who actually knows their shit here.
theirownreward
A little. I did some research before I commented
Ravenbreaker
Well thats due to homes being plumed with lead pipes, which falls on them to replace.
theirownreward
That sounds simple and affordable.
Ravenbreaker
On a 1500 sqft house it could be done for as little as 4-6000
theirownreward
Average monthly take home in Flint is around 2K.
theirownreward
Sorry, I said 2k, but it's actually closer to $1500 according to census data.
HitlersArtCritic
Wait, federal limits permit lead in plumbing?
AfatCatnamedHiggins
Less than 15 parts per billion. The water in my town comes in at 5ppb.
theirownreward
Not exactly, but the iron plumbing coroded over time, allowing significant build up of lead from the water supply.
HitlersArtCritic
Pipes weren't maintained. Lead is in water supply. What are the federal limits to lead contamination?
theirownreward
15 ppb, I think?
Uzernaime
May I just add that it was pH issue which lead to greater corrosion of the bad piping. Which is the big argument... is it the gov 1/2
Uzernaime
Ernments fault that their pipes are made of lead and are old? Or the consumers fault for not changing their homes pipes? 2/2
LyraTheLycan
Okay, I can't find it anywhere. What's Flint?
IWouldDoThings
Seriously???
LyraTheLycan
Unbeknownst to, it seems many Americans, there is a world outside of the USA. Said world does not have explicit knowledge of USA's geography
LyraTheLycan
Or maybe you assumed that only educated Americans use Imgur. Sorry to say, this website is an internationally accessible service.
LyraTheLycan
With the probable exception of some countries, including China and North Korea.
tokenhooker
A city in Michigan.
LyraTheLycan
Thanks!
coolkidwestern
Flint made their bed yet everything is supposed to stop to fix the problem if you don’t pay the water bill how can you get water
squintish
If you're Nestle, skip straight to step 2: profit.
tokenhooker
The politicians made rhe bed. The people are paying the price.
coolkidwestern
Democracy is the fix for this, don’t keep bad politicians in that ruined it change them out, If the new guys don’t work vote them out,Simple
fluhatinrapper
Would you pay a fucking water bill that literally poisened your kids?
coolkidwestern
The reason they’re even using tainted water is because they didn’t pay their water bill for months and were cut off, what options were left
oddoregano
coolkidwestern
If I’m factually incorrect please correct me otherwise my point stands
onebigtentdweller12
Whatyouregonnawannado
It literally is a human right tho
BayazTheBenevolent
His name is Peter Brabeck-Letmathe, and he deserves to be locked up in some desert shack to die of thirst.
Lavawulf
So...he should be charged for the water then, cause it shouldn't be free according to him
Draconieray
Weird is not being shot a human right? Maybe he should find out...
AvadonyaTheSilverGrapefruit
Wow he have a generic punchable villain face ...
arumunus
He reminds me more of the villain from Tank Girl.
arumunus
https://youtu.be/bIfMAhK7Boo
haco1234
That’s got to be a joke right? Water isn’t a human right? I don’t think even toddlers would agree with that.
DapperLordDestral
Wasn't Nestles almond business a big contributor to why California has droughts?
LetsGetTogetherAndFeelAllRight
He kind of has a point. Free clean water is not a basic right like free speech. Just like free food isn't a basic right.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
You're right, but mind you the increased numbers of people that just get shit handed to them. Unpopular puffin
acantankerouscurtain
Im going die slowly of dehydration but I thank the stars for my right to talk smack throughout the whole ordeal.
IGotTheMusicInMe425
So it's fine to let people starve if they've got no money, ok gotcha /s
JumpingSandmann
Not what he said. The implication here is NOTHING is free. Everything is just there because someone worked for it to be there.
kittymoma9182000
THESE CUSTOMERS PAID MONEY FOR YEARS,were lied to,and many children may be permanently brain damaged.Thousands robbed of health,even lives.
VeganFeministFlatEarther
I mean it's a gray area but you have a point, there has to be a line *sonewhere* but I don't think this is where it should be drawn.
ILikePizzaWithPineapple
Some people are so stupid they should be choked for spreading their mindless bullshit
sunyudai
Except it is a right under the U.N. gen. comment no 15 tow which the U.S. has agreed to abide, see:
sunyudai
http://www.refworld.org/docid/4538838d11.html - as it has both legal and humanitarian basis as a human right.
MichaelaWeasley
How is water not a human right lol let's stop him from having access to water and let him see what happens to your body
Siggs
Commodities are not human rights.
Hatsunn
There's a difference between water and clean water.
IamJustinSane
Ask people in Africa if it’s a human right, or just a human need. Two very different things.
MichaelaWeasley
But if it is a need for survival it should be a right. And water is actually a human right under the UN.
benayises
While you aren't wrong a human need should be viewed as being a right when partaking in the productive aspect of society, and there's the
benayises
other aspect that if you want to privatize water sources you have to legalize storing rain water, which decimates the water sources.
ifathenb
"Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you and you will resent its absence!"
AFelineMassofEyes
Dihydrogen monoxide is pernicious stuff.
Slowsmo
36roentgen
100% of people who drink water die!
fewe
To be fair 100% of people who don't drink water die too.
UnexpectedThanos
100% of people die
kevinlo1
99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% if some religions are to be believed
bamcobra
Not yet
LurkerMcLurkface
This quote is out of context. He's still a dick.
Maiayeaye
Here is some context. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nestle-ceo-water-not-human-right/
SolomonCovenant
Thanks
Jarjarthejedi
It's actually a full-blown misquote, but I don't disagree with your assessment.
Jarjarthejedi
“The one opinion, which I think is extreme, is represented by the NGOs, who bang on about declaring water a public right.”
Noyoucomeupwithausername
Tbf, he’s still saying that water isn’t a public right
Jarjarthejedi
As I said, not arguing the meaning, but he never said the words being quoted.
lnsaneWolf
"Air is not a human right, it should be privatized", "Life is not a human right it should be privatized", etc... It's deeply flawed
ilovebees
/a/ACiWH Did someone say air should be privatized?
ApexWarrior848
Bless you I was really hoping for that picture
atlossforwords
it isn't. just watched the interview and he said that basically exactly, just with different phrasing
atlossforwords
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGj4GpAbTM
ilsalta
I can’t imagine any context where that statement would be considered acceptable.
Pixel8yt
He was stating that people over use water when there in scarcity and that it needs to be controlled. But they also bottled during drought so
atlossforwords
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGj4GpAbTM once more.
mist0rX
...aaand "this video is blocked in your country for bullshit reasons"... thankfully, YouTube proxies are a thing. Thanks for the link!
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JackSmiles2
iirc it was that water is not a natural right with the exception of drinking water/shower/laundry. Otherwise should be treated as a product.
TheActualMalloryArcher
You do not remember correctly
atlossforwords
If you remember it so badly watch it again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGj4GpAbTM
DickMercenary
Oof.. hard to trust anything from that channel.. chemtrails and GMO conspiracy theories..