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Allrighty
I don't think she's talking about accusations, but shared experiences. "I was raped," not "so-and-so raped me".
TheoryOfRelativeTea
As the kid of a rape victim and a man falsely accused of child molestation, always investigate but keep both names quiet until end of trial.
SaikyoStyle
abundantbadgers
Tom later goes on to betray the Federation by conspiring to assassinate the Klingon Ambassador!!
trumpypumpyinyourrumpy
Womans tears are worth more than what any real evidence could ever prove - the simpsons
Glimx
I think you need proof to convict.
IWATCHDEATH
Duh
KitKateC
As the daughter of a rape victim, I would say you should always believe them, but the accused should be innocent until proved otherwise.
datalas
*unless* proven otherwise, the statement "until" implies it's just a matter of time.
datalas
Of course, belief and proof are different things, you can (and should) believe people who are in pain, but automatically assuming guilt ? ..
BreadyStinellis
Thays exactly what this is trying to say. Don't be dismissive of victims. Imgur twists it to mean lock a guy up no questions asked.
AnalBaguette
Considering I've been lied to by friends about being raped before, even someone telling me doesn't make me believe them anymore.
JossWhedonsGhost
If someone says that they were raped you should definitely believe them. But you do need proof to convict another person of rape.
SeamusMcFamous
I was falsely accused of rape as a revenge plot by a woman I loved dearly. Fuck everyone who thinks that you don't need proof.
BluBoxx
Proof to believe the victim. Note your not in prison right now ( because believing the victim =\= convicting someone)
EsportsLawyer
Everyone involved with the situation likely doesn't care whether or not he was convicted. People get arrested on bogus charges too
Greulich
You don't need proof to believe anything. You need it for a sentence though. Otherwise you are just a huge bitch.
CuttleFishOfCthulu
Aw geez. Beating THIS dead horse again?
Bobblesisaderpcat
One of my favourite books. I even named my cat after Scout. She is such a ham
spanishplatypus
Funny, I named my dog scout while reading this book
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Tbf I think when people say stuff like this usually they're trying to say "you shouldn't need proof to offer sympathy as if it were true."
DramaticInternetNonsense
Can someone explain who are those two men ?
thecrosscottontail
Agree with reading it. I hated almost every required reading (love reading, just boring books to me) but loved Mockingbird!!!
Dracosi
Took me forever to warm up to it tbh
Quarantane
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0056592/ it's from a classic book, I would suggest giving it a read. Most high schoolers were required to read it
WhiteNateDogg
Synopsis: Black man in deep south accused of raping white girl; its obvious he didn't do it. Mob tries to kill him anyways.
GeneralPigly
They actually do execute him, right? Even though he claims that the girl's father sexually assaulted her.
theyar
Lonely white girl tries to seduce black man in Deep South. Daddy walks in, so she starts screaming rape. That's the accused and his lawyer.
warick
To Kill a Mockingbird: https://infogalactic.com/info/To_Kill_a_Mockingbird_(film)
KourtJesta
Times and contexts change meaning, but this book is about societal racism's corruption of our legal system. Not vilifying rape accusers. 1/2
KourtJesta
1960's women weren't trying to stick it to men. Read the book, the father is the spear-header of the accusation, not the girl. 2/2
boneclawmother
Plus it's heavily implied that she has been raped--but by her father.
KourtJesta
Exactly!
Angelaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Nicole raped me
ifoundthisonthetwitters
comfort the alleged victim - seek truth and justice regarding the alleged perpetrator.
godamongspeds
You absolutely do not need proof to believe them. You do, however, need proof to prosecute their alleged assaulter.
StarvingGarbage
That's where many (not all) feminists disagree. Under Obama the DOE rules surrounding campus sexual assault became confusing at best.
StarvingGarbage
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-johnson-taylor-campus-sexual-assault-20170303-story.html
Textuality
There was a story that came up a few months ago about a guy and his gf that were "rough-housing" with one another, and someone saw it and
Textuality
reported it as "sexual assault". The title-9 on campus deemed it to be assault, and got the guy kicked out of school. Even though the girl
Textuality
kept telling them it wasn't, that they were just goofing around. They refused to accept her explanation, claiming she was "just protecting
supersomatic
#MeToo
mxdragonair
I don't think it's hard to assume the victim isn't lying whilst at the same time following due process and innocent until proven guilty.
BenSwolo
esoh08
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ImmaNeedBoutTreeFiddy
♪So long and thanks for all the fish ♪
Onedaysomeonewillloveyou
So sad that it should come to this
ImmaNeedBoutTreeFiddy
We tried to warn you all but
Onedaysomeonewillloveyou
Oh dear
JoeBudget
You may not share our intellect
bigassdolphin
I have been summoned!
AutoFox
Dolphins are indeed raping, murdering assholes. Look it up.
orginelenaam
Does anyone have the video of the dolphin raping a decapitated fish?
ellert0
orginelenaam
Thanks! (If the FBI is watching: I'm not in your jurisdiction.)
ellert0
This is the first time someone thanks me for linking that. :) A nice change of pace.
GiantRobotsRule
Imgur: Where the idea of people lying about sexual assault makes the front page a hell of a lot more than cases of actual sexual assault.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
You deserve all the upvotes here. This shit is ridiculous.
Sordiy
Innocent until proven guilty.
373bossman7748
Oh really, then why do you get taken to jail before a conviction, sounds like guilty until proven innocent to me
LokiKingOfJotunheim
Fun fact: In the US, you can typically be detained for up to 72 hours without being charged with anything... And that isn't set in stone.
Gunslinger8912
Jail and prison are different. Jail is for temporary holding, so the perp doesn't flee justice.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
So people accused of a crime should just be able to go wherever they want until enough evidence can be gathered for a conviction? You 1
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
realize that would mean the complete breakdown of the justice system, right? Anyone could commit a crime and then just skip town. 2/2
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
The vast vast majority of people who are arrested are actually guilty. False accusations for ANY crime are rare. 3/3
TheGrubermeister
Legally, the burden of proof is on the accuser.
373bossman7748
No, no no if that was true you wouldn't be arrested and have to prove innocence to be released from the bindings of being accused
ohforf
Legally, you don't have to prove innocence. Public opinion is a different matter. The distinction is important, esp. if you want to fix it.
HiddenSanity
True, but what the statement in the image is about is for purposes of caring for the victim; not condemning the rapist.
grenzdebil
That may ring true for friends, but these don't need to be told that. On a broader scope, it would mean acknowledgement - doesn't it?
HiddenSanity
You would be shocked how many rape victims need to face doubts from friends/coworkers.
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
Unless its a jury..
BillShatner2
*on the state
Arliem
But realistically it has become the court of public opinion that convicts. Even if the accused is innocent the accusation destroys a life.
TourDePwnage
Unless it's the presidency. Then it doesn't matter what the majority thinks.
Arliem
Agreed!
blueblueglassmoon
Two lives, frankly. Part of why many more people don't report than falsely report is that society tends to punish sexual assault victims.
omh1
True but sexual assaults have the issue that the victim often has to prove theyre a victim before they can try to prove guilt of the accused
omh1
That is somewhat unique to sexual crimes, very rarely is the victim of a mugging expected to somehow prove they were threatened and robbed
grenzdebil
That is because there are other types of evidence in these cases. And that is the sole reason.
omh1
I am not sure what you are referring to? An assault victim faces no burden of proof of their victim-hood, a sexual assault victim does
elfdude
Quite often that just ends with a report being taken. personally I think everyone should wear a body cam today.
omh1
True, mugging was probably a poor example, assault would have been better. I can understand the reasoning for body cams, but am
omh1
uncomfortable with the idea being put into practice, mind you I am not sure if I am uncomfortable for rational reasons, going to ponder it
elfdude
In any form of assault it comes down to my word vs their word, anything you can do to change that is a boon for your cause.
DoakMD
You don't need proof to believe it you need proof to convict.
Donkeymong
If the victim is naming the accused how are thoes different things?
DoakMD
I don't see how that changes anything?
Donkeymong
Because if you always believe the accusation you are believing that person is guilty from the accusation alone.
Donkeymong
Thats not to say all accusations shouldn't be investigated. But as with all crimes you need to investigate from a natural position.
rudejohn
In some cases, you do need proof to believe. I have heard a VERY far-fetched claim from a friend against someone I trust.
DoakMD
There are always exceptions I suppose but the default position should be belief followed by investigation. The alternative is unpleasant.
rudejohn
Oh, I agree. Default position should be belief. But a shred of evidence and/or believability goes a long way as well.
Donkeymong
Yer a guy i know tried to kill himself after he was kicked out of school and lost all his mates 2 months later the girl drunkenly admits1/
Donkeymong
To her friend that she consented but then lied when people found out because she was embarrassed she fucked someone not good enough fo her
mmaatt8
I mean to believe a friend and to prosecute under one testimony are two very different things. I'd give my support to a friend.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
Which is what is being talked about, legality *should* be different from the court of public opinion
grenzdebil
Anyone who does not believe that is anything BUT a friend, so this interpretation makes even less sense.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
hey no-one said badgering victims made sense, but a lot of people outside the justice system do it anyway when they step forward.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
And it totally is, so I'm not sure what everyone is arguing about here.
RecurringNightmare
the argument is about idiotic pseudo-feminists who deny the possibility that a woman could be lying and try to harrass cops and anyone who >
RecurringNightmare
> shows only the slightest amount of reasonable scepticism...they are the worst kind of people, they claim to side with rape-victims and >
RecurringNightmare
> then spread their toxic sexism, and you cant attack them without also (seemingly) attacking the rape-victims, so you cant win...<<<
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
You get people online that want to browbeat people for coming forward and who defend the accused by insisting they are lying. That should/
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
/be for the courts, and ask anyone who deals with these cases the most important thing is to provide support to all victims otherwise/
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
/victims stop speaking out even if you only want to solve more crimes.
kerblaaaah
I think the actual point is that in no other crime are victims met with such a level of disbelief and distrust.
GeneralPigly
Why is that the case for rape anyway? The number of falsely reported rapes is about the same for other falsely reported crimes.
JennyaChan
Im 99% sure she followed this up explaining you don't need proof to support the victim, not as in you don't need proof to convict
thiscommentwillselfdestruct
Yeah but she said "no matter the consequences". It's good she walked that back, but being a juror is a circumstance.
Asteroidrules
Shhh, don't let facts interrupt the circlejerk.
grenzdebil
What "facts" are you talking about? There are none to be had here.
Sexlexic
Thats because once you associate a person with rape it hangs with them even if they arent guilty. So its a lose lose situation for accused.
Asteroidrules
Wrong.
BluBoxx
My father was accused of raping a young girl. He didn’t, the case was dismissed, no lasting impact.
residentolive
Name such a person please
patthecat
Brian Banks https://www.google.ca/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/football/wrongfully-imprisoned-banks-career-nfl-article-1.2090727
residentolive
Not relevant. This guy was actually convicted (if wrongly). Commenter claims people who are accused but not convicted get tainted
patthecat
But that's also true. I'm sorry my example didn't get through to you, but saying a publicized rape accusation can't leave permanent 1/2
Muffdiver9
Accusations of any crime without evidence should be met with disbelief. Our system works as innocent until proven guilty, not until accused.
BluBoxx
Wrong, accusations must be met with belief. Convictions are what must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt
Muffdiver9
Maybe accusations shouldn't be met with disbelief, but certainly not belief either. Cops don't get to decide who is guilty.
BluBoxx
There is no other option than belief or disbelief. You always believe the victim. It’s up to prosecutors to prove guilt, not anyones belief
Muffdiver9
No, you really don't. You're supposed to be detached from the crime, not pursuing a case presuming guilt.
poochyena
thats not even remotely true. Where do you get that idea from?
Zupaniccarr
It's actually extremely, horrifically true. It's not exactly hidden information, it'll take you thirty seconds to find out rape victims(1/3)
poochyena
tell me, which do you think will be taken more seriously, saying someone stole $20 from me, or saying someone raped me?
Zupaniccarr
victims are often not believed, interrogated and treated terribly ("what were you wearing?" "Were you drinking?" it gets a lot worse). (2/3)
Zupaniccarr
There was a study that showed most college students think 50% of accusations are false, actual statistic for false accusations is 2-8% (3/3)
Zupaniccarr
Further quotes: "she's just a slut" "how many sexual partners have you had?" "It's not really rape if you're a guy" "he was your boyfriend".
theyar
And in no other crime are so many defenses for the accused deemed inadmissable.
residentolive
Since you are such an expert, can you quote me the statistic on rape convictions?
BluBoxx
Less than 1% of rapists go to jail
residentolive
Yup. But commenter's comment is acting like it's 99%
BreadyStinellis
I don't understand what you're saying. Example? The fact is, most rape trials don't have admissible evidence at all, that's why so many
BreadyStinellis
Rapists walk.
kerblaaaah
I'm not sure as to what legal defense you are referring to
omh1
I would assume Rape Shield laws, which have had a couple of pretty bad applications that were overturned in the Court of Appeals
omh1
TL;DR for rape shield laws is that you cannot use the victims prior sexual history or opinion/reputation testimony concerning it as evidence
kerblaaaah
I'm a proponent of rape shield laws, they simply codify the basic rule of relevance with regards to rape. You're past sexual contact 1/?
kerblaaaah
Has no relevance as to whether rape was committed in the present case. 2/2
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
You don't need to have proof for someone to believe that you believe you were raped. You do however, need some proof to charge someone.
cauliflowersweetandsour
There's men and women crying rape all over the place. There should be some proof and some research done.
alpinej0e
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Some of you are misunderstanding what I mean. If a person confined in you that they were raped (You being family, friend, or SO), your 1/?
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
First responsibility is to believe that the person confiding believes they are a victim. It's not about believing them or not, it's about 2/
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Believing that they have had something traumatic happen to them that they believe may have been rape. This the first step in taking action3/
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
If the victim feels safe, they are more likely to take a rape kit and drug test to help prove a rape occurred, or help identify probable 4/
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Cause that a rape may have occurred during a certain time frame. My point is that first domino of trust is VERY important 5/5
Ravroz
Some people like to take the guilty until proven innocent approach with this subject.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
Depends on the person, there are some people who lie so much I wouldn't believe they did anything anymore with proof.
murderousbudgie
Also suggested in the book according to my 8th grade teacher. Subtext that Ewell raped his daughter and got her to accuse Robinson.
kevincow
Honest question: What is proof of rape? Unless you have video or witnesses saying the victim was screaming at the accused to stop, it's >
kevincow
>down to one word vs the other as to whether or not there was consent, right?
Ravroz
A disturbing trend of false accusations has been coming to light. They may be rare but they ruin the lives of those accused wrongly.
BillyYumYum2by2
Can you send me some of your links for that? I hear this argument often, but I haven't been able to find reliable data
DrSparken
I'll confirm that they can't, because there ARE studies on this, and they find that the false accusation rate is identical to all other 1/
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Trauma to vagina, drugs in system, or multiple claims against a single individual, that's enough to warrant an investigation at least.
PandaDander
You should need proof though to accuse someone specifically. Unwarranted rape accusations are extremely damning to a person's reputation
dilbobaggins
Weinstein
YamatoIouko
Yeah, pretty much this. Especially since it's NOT uncommon for perpetrators of crimes to be mis-identified by their victims.
Iamaperson1166
Basically all rape victims know their rapists.
YamatoIouko
Even if that's generally true, it's not ALWAYS true.
Iamaperson1166
It's not uncommon for perpetrators of crimes-in-general to be misidentified. it is rare for criminal rapists to be be misidentified.
gdex86
There is a difference between accusations that not enough proof was found for the authorities to proceed and a false accusation.
Billywonderful
Yeah. The wording is bad, but the point I think is you should need proof before you publically accuse someone.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
You guys are focusing too much on public accusations. The important factor is getting the victim to go to a hospital or police station /1
Billywonderful
But that's the problem isn't it? I am always reading about people accused of rape, and never as the results of trials. I also live in NC and
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Asap to test for drugs/trauma and make a report, if there's something there, let the police handle it. Public justice is sloppy and /2
AbigailLongbottom
I wish it were illegal to publish anything about accusations/crimes under investigation. However, there needs to be transparency in the...
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Okay, so if someone is raped but has no proof (as is usually the case), by your standards they should have to keep quiet? How is that fair?
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
It's a tricky situation, that's why immediate action is so important after a rape may have occurred. The longer the gap, the stronger /1
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Even with immediate action there is often no proof. The attacker can just say it was consensual. Again: should these women just stay quiet?
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
No, even if evidence is circumstantial, it does open an investigation, which can result in convictions. Plz stop overcomplicating this.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
The doubt of legitimacy. It's sad to think, but there are people who abuse the system to ruin others. No one said life is fair /2
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Life is unfair, that's not an excuse for you to be unfair...
alpinej0e
I think you assume people behave logically after being raped. I think most just want to get clean and to a place of comfort. Not swab city.
alpinej0e
That's not necessarily the fault of the accuser (whether true or false), but the treatment of the situation by the police/media.
alpinej0e
Because if you have no proof, why should you be unable to report your rape by someone?
Billywonderful
If you publicly accuse somebody of something you have to have proof. A report to the police is not an accusation.
EarlQuortington
Not just police/media, but people! Accusations wouldn't be so damning if the public really believed they're innocent until proven guilty.
EarlQuortington
It's really disheartening to see the system the way it is. :/
Billywonderful
Reporting and accusing are not the same thing like if I report a crime I didn't accuse somebody of the crime.
alpinej0e
Wait, do you not accuse someone while you are reporting it? Am I being dense, I don't understand.
w0od
Yes lets just shoot the male on the spot because a woman never lies right?
deadinsidesince1832
2017’s terrible ways say yes
BlowOnItAndStickItIn
As a man I was raped while passed out at a party. People just tell me that’s not possible because men can’t be raped.
Insomnia297
It's always good to put a person in a position of absolute authority over another. That never goes wrong.
EarthAnimalArmy
said a young man named Adolf Hitler - probably
Attacker732
What about Josef Stalin?
Skizzlesnap
"Men tell the most lies, women tell the biggest lies."- Chris Rock
Deltablue
It's so big
LieutenantPervertReadyforDuty
Right...
budthespudfromthebrightredmud
That... that username though
HiddenSanity
Nicoles statement means that you believe the Rape victim for the purposes of helping them, not for convicting the rapist. It's an old point.
UmmonPrime
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale
bcb218424
I immediately thought of this too.
CaptainFubs
Especially not when angry or spited...
Beholdmybarrenfieldoffuks
And they never exaggerate
FoeOfFauxPho
I met a NYC social worker who literally and indignantly said women never lie about getting raped.
HiddenSanity
1) False accusations is at the same rate as other crimes, so fairly rare, the cases of it are heavily publicized, however. As a social
Zupaniccarr
Why are people down voting this? It's true. Statistically less than 10% of rape accusations are false.
Irreal
Statistics about something you cannot make statistics, great.
HiddenSanity
3) punishment up to the courts. Pretty old standard.
HiddenSanity
2) worker, however, their job would be to believe the rape victim. Every time. It's a good rule of thumb, believe the victim, but leave
FinscothDennehy
w0od raped me, his argument is invalid.
w0od
well according to feminists, you cannot be raped as a male!
FinscothDennehy
Did you just assume my gender?
chase7436
No, let's gather evidence and have a trial if necessary...
Doctorgivemethenews
ArvisJaggamar
Always upvote Zoie Palmer
Bassnecker
What's Android doing with ice cream? She doesn't need those nutrients for anything!
Pirsquar
Not an android in this one. In this one her hot succubus girlfriend is washing the car.
Fenderzilla
I agreen with the sentiment you sarcastically present, but the agressive manner concerns me.
CryoSleeping
As a female. I think girls use this a lot when they are intoxicated and make poor decisions... In college this girl got fucked by two 1/
CryoSleeping
Football players in the middle of a party. Seemed like she was enjoying it until the following week when her reputation took a turn 2/
CryoSleeping
For the worse& she pressed charges on them. There were 50 people in the room during the "rape". She could have asked for help.
Spookybooboo
Maybe sober her would have preferred to do such an act in a room not full of people. Also, fuck those people for turning on her.
Spookybooboo
If the issue is really about fucking in a room full of people the reputations of the men should have been slandered too.
CryoSleeping
She was enjoying it. It was a show like "look at me I'm fucking football players." Yes obviously alcohol had to do with her choice. But 1/
6Oh4
It's comical that a rape accuser that lies, isn't getting the same jail time a person would get for rape. You've ruined a life by lying. 1/2
MicroJohnson
there is one case where the accuser ruined a star athletes soon to be pro career, then 12-14 yrs of jail for him she admits it didn't happen
MisterWho
That's more of a function of necessity than justice. Few victims come forward as it is. Imagine going against rich ppl & their legal teams.
MisterWho
Also, false accusers would double down on their lies instead of being free to come clean.
ILikePugandFrenchiePictures
Wasn't there that one woman who confessed she got a HS football player put in jail for years by accusing him of rape, and her concern,
ILikePugandFrenchiePictures
was that they'd make her give her settlement (sued the school) back? Our society is broken when people can even think that way.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
She did have to give it back but his life was ruined.
deadasadodomakethatanonoeverycreatureweinsisthastherighttoexist
I mean it should be harsh but not as harsh. Personally I'd rather be accused of rape than actually raped.
6Oh4
There should be a harsh punishment for the liars. 2/2
scott318
There is punishment. Not equal to rape, but then again, lying isn't sexual assault. It certainly causes harm, but not life long 1/2
scott318
...mental anguish. (Was falsely accused 25 years ago by someone who falsely accused several others over time. She did time, eventually.) 2/3
scott318
She had severe mental issues & did more damage to herself in the long run. At the time, I was angry. Now, I just feel sorry for her.
KourtJesta
I'd like to remind you that perjury is still a thing.
zippydee
I've always thought this, that if she's found to be lying (ie she told someone) they get the same sentence as the accused would have got
zippydee
But it's equally hard to prove someone is lying about rape, hence why you'd need evidence like they've told someone in person or by txt
geiokami
I personally think they should get twice the sentence the accused rapist would have gotten.
oopsie365
I agree!!! If the accusation is a lie and the truth is revealed, that is still out there and there are going to be people who can't get
oopsie365
That out of their minds. If you like about something that, serious jail time should happen. The accused has to live with that the rest of
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
The problem is it would deter actual victims even more. Even most actual rapes go without prosecution due to lack of evidence.
StopShootingMe
I hate that argument so much, even though I understand it. It isn't justice to let some people slide by after ruining a life in the hopes1/2
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
"let some people slide"? We aren't talking about not punishing them, we are talking about not punishing them worse than other false accusers
StopShootingMe
that you can catch someone worse down the line. It's like saying "you have to break a few eggs..." but with peoples lives. 2/2
Stupidpeoplearestpid
Maybe not just as harsh, but why these people are charged with slander or wasting police time is a loss on me
omh1
It is filing a false report, which carries the same level of charge (misdemeanor, felony, ect) as the falsely reported crime, the penalties
omh1
are not the same thou, they do include possible reimbursement of police/justice resources spend, and up to 10 years for a felony offense BUT
spacecowboyein
The argument is that it has a chilling effect on real rape victims coming forward. But that needs to be balanced against the deterrent value
crepy2050
Should be jail time. Alot of jail time. They are a threat to normal society.
Stupidpeoplearestpid
Aren't*
tetodenega
The loss of police time shouldn't be the focus, and yes the gravity of the fact that you almost fucked someone's life
imafishgoat
It's not even about almost fucking someone's life,their life is fucked from the start...check out the case of mattress girl
Vvd7734
Exactly falsely reporting rape is very different from falsely reporting petty vandalism, or noisy neighbors.
FlyingGiantElk
Some schools in America banned the book. That’s the opposite of what you should do.
Locolarue
What, you think public schools are about the students LEARNING?!
BusFarts
Lets destroy racism by pretending to completely ignore it - Someone stupid probably
StrawberryPrincess92
someone white*
morphire
If you're referring to Mississippi, they didn't ban the book, they removed it from their curriculum. Still available in the library.
FlyingGiantElk
Well fuck a duck to bake a rake, I stand corrected. I still stand by my point that they were wrong to do so.
heylookitsmyusername
A book about how stupid racism is it considered "too difficult" for kids in Alabama... thats the whole point ya fucking knobs
flamingflamingo
Wait what? What school banned To Kill a Mockingbird?
FlyingGiantElk
Apparently the Biloxi school board in Mississippi removed it from libraries because it’s lessons could make people uncomfortable.
flamingflamingo
Hm, doesn't say that, just says they removed it from the curriculum. Still questionable but I don't think that's the same thing.
HittingMyProstateMakesMeSneeze
Because it made people uncomfortable... that’s kinda the point。
WhiteIce2112
I mean my school had us read Speak, so I think we're fine for now.
jakjawagon
Not banned as such, but taken off the syllabus.
dmax12
Right, in the US, a 'banned book' is just something removed from a curriculum and school library.
jakjawagon
From what I read it wasn't removed from the library either.
MedicPlease
What book is it?
mondomar
Some schools in America also teach creationism instead of science.
SwedishBalls
What better way to support racism (keep removing educational works).
InnerBushman
Every time someone mentions of I get really angry and upvote it.
TerranceFortesqueSmythe
The Nazis did something similar didn't they? Banning/burning books I mean.
wilkins1952
Yeah
Imthedroidyouwerelookingfor
They just did it again yesterday in Mississippi.
bolshevik09
They don't gotta burn tha books, they just remove 'em
aoldude123
If they want to ban a book ban the fucking "The Road" I had to read that in 8th grade. Fucked me up
aoldude123
I had to switch out of that class to the easier one because they were reading for class and I was like no way can I do this with my autism
aoldude123
Nightmares for months
SandwichRGood
really? It was required reading in my school
wheresthebaby
That book wasn't required in my school :/
tobiassolem
I hear that countries that ban or burn books are going in the right direction.
JimNeverHasASecondCupOfCoffeeAtHome
Yea, because it makes students "uncomfortable". Bitch those are the exact people who should be reading To Kill a Mockingbird!!
MummyNapkin
Not banned, it was pulled from the required reading list.
Bytencoder
The banner in the rye?
borgmaster
The idea of injustice should not be banned. It happens and people should know it can happen to anyone, even themselves.
TedEdison
WHAT?!?!
KNDBS
iirc a local library in Sweden also discarded some Pippi Longstocking books for having expressions perceived as "racist"
KNDBS
Yup they discarded them and replaced it with new editions that changed such expressions Source (in swedish):
KNDBS
www.botkyrka.se/arkiv/nyhetsarkiv/nyheter-startsida/2017-07-10-angaende-uttalanden-av-journalisten-janne-josefsson-om-bibliotek-botkyrka
gman41750
Cotton!!!! The latest racist craze! I’m serious. Cotton is now considered racist.
TiGRIOSindustriesRnD
You DO know who the primary workforce of the Southern cotton fields was, right? Just making sure.
dmax12
And it was also a major reason the south lost the civil war. They couldn't sell their only export.
SkuIIpoopI
Also, cotton itself had nothing to do with it. The plant is not at fault.
gman41750
Of coarse. But really, try to let some of the past go. Please. Life’s too short
SomeOneYouMayKnowOrNot
Roughly speaking, it is important to remember our history, but not to be dragged down by it.
gman41750
BTW, I realize us born and raised on the west coast aren’t exposed to the incredible racism in so many parts of the 1/2
gman41750
Country. I’m sure learning though. This NFL thing sure as poop exposes SO many assholes. It’s a peaceful demo!! Chill
soturi88
Excuse my ignorance but what book is this?
Shaggymom
read it!
46853
It's "To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee
JCOGIRL
To kill a mockingbird
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
Dunno what dumbfuck downvoted you, but the book is "To Kill a Mockingbird".
BeatrixBeaverhousen
Does the recent attention have to do with the original (supposedly racist) version of the story that came to light in the last couple years?
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
I think it's because a Mississippi schoolboard just recently pulled it from its reading list because it makes people "uncomfortable"
BeatrixBeaverhousen
Ah, ok thank you ????
kleez
Gotta destroy the past to negate all the racism!
RedDwarfIV
Into the memory hole it goes
JosephVissarionovichStalin
Let’s just topple some statues here and there too. Maryland? Never heard of it.
BeesechurgerProductions
Hey, it worked for me! (I promise you there is not a gun to my head as I type this, please do not send help)
Dracosi
*1984 INTENSIFIES*
DrWibbler
*cries in newspeak*
avarg7
underrated <3
46853
That's minus ungood
DarthFutuza
TO THE MINISTRY OF LOVE WITH YOU!
DrWibbler
Room 101!
BunnyKing95
There needs to be a library, somewhere neutral to all territories, that contains every book written and provides access to all who desire it
dmax12
The internet? Maybe I am just bad at sarcasm.
BunnyKing95
There are still hurdles the internet has to overcome in regards to universal accessibility and freedom from censorship. 1/2
BunnyKing95
I go into detail further down; simply, not all countries have complete access to the internet, or electricity. 2/2
ikindafail
Wasn't there an Egyptian library like this that got burned down during the Crusades or something?
BunnyKing95
I don't know, do you know of any sources that discuss it?
Dracosi
DEUS VULT
q5sys
It's disputed which way it was destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria
BunnyKing95
Aka, my dream that somewhere, someday, there will a place dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge; where scholars from around the 1/2
BunnyKing95
World convene to consult one and other in order to broaden mankind's knowledge and understanding without the limits of prejudice 2/2
BunnyKing95
Sadly, this is only a dream and one I don't see becoming a reality within our lifetime.
TiGRIOSindustriesRnD
We had this already, in Alexandria.
METAAAAAAAAAL
The internet is not all too far away from that.
BunnyKing95
Honestly, with the use of the internet, this dream is a possibility; yet we are still restricted by censorship and prejudice by those 1/2
StrawberryPrincess92
Any book worth Banning is a Book worth reading.
MummyNapkin
Its not banned you idiots, it was taken off the reading list.
KingCharlesIIX
Twilight was banned at my school
PizzaPastaPizza
50 Shades of Grey
SendDoctor
It literally took until the trial half way through the novel to start being a decent read. This thing is the Regigigas of novels. Not worth.
CuriousPurple
LiveTestDummy
This 1000xs
Greenh2
Communist Manifesto
InCaseOfStairsUseFire
I own this book.
StrawberryPrincess92
Not banned, also yes, you should definitely read it.
Strongharbour432
We sell that in my university's book store
dinocratic
I even got this book in Filipino. Imagine the explaining I had to do with my mom since she didn't want me to follow her footsteps.
DarthFutuza
The NSA Cyber Warfare Field Manual and Spyware Guide.
Thesteveadin
that's not banned, you're just not on the need to know
DarthFutuza
Then why when I post it on Wikileaks does the US Government keep trying to arrest me? :/
TheOriginalBigDave
Here you go: https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-12.pdf
DarthFutuza
I was thinking more like this: https://wikileaks.org/vault7/document/Athena-v1_0-UserGuide/Athena-v1_0-UserGuide.pdf
SomeOneYouMayKnowOrNot
Would I be on a list if I downloaded this?
apneax3n0n
late. they are knocking your door
Flatulentone
All army tms and fms are public property you can get a book on infantry tactics from any surplus store near an army base for example
DarthFutuza
No, the document contains army policies, but nothing actually useful. Most of it is pretty "well duh" statements.
TheBlackVan
We're already watching you from TheBlackVan across the street. The NSA takes this very seriously.
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km9v
I should write a book about banning books about banning books.
dinocratic
A banned book about banning books? Bradbury must be rolling in his grave now.
KOBK
What's the title of the book?
dmax12
I think its called "Celsius 233" in most of the world
TharrickLawson
Darude - Sandstorm
BaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaBATMAN
Great audiobook.
Ionlycommentwithonelinkofmathewwilderbreakmystride
https://youtu.be/cy46iOwWQiE
TharrickLawson
...I recognise this. Never knew who it was or what it was called, and being partly deaf meant I couldn't make out the lyrics to look it up