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cutting through traffic
May 7, 2019 8:36 PM
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GyrollSphere
It’s legal in Australia and the only time I’ve seen it cause an accident is when someone tries to cut them off like that.
jakeosaurus
Honestly most places I've been in the world allow this without much fanfare.
hollanderpolder
And again the bikes are fucked. In The Netherlands y’re welcome to splite lanes with your bike. Logic thinking. Why wait on 2 wheels
BidetAdvocate
Illegal? Ahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh come to Rome, we'll talk about it
HughGRecti0n
Needs more “ha has”
RelaxItsjustAjoke
Yea, and look how many cars are dinged up
pwizard14
Well fuck, here in California it's legal for cars to split lanes too.
ValkerionTM
lmao the traffic here is god damn insane.
Trickymex
This is totally normal in the UK and i suspect most of the world
buttwheek
Two kinds of bikers...
buttwheek
Allowed in Cali. Pretty ugly when they go down in rush hour traffic
Musicfoundandshared
Legal in NSW Australia. Only between lanes (not on parking side), max 30km/h, full licence riders only. Common sense.
Sm4rtyPan7s
Isn't this why they are driving motorcycles in the city? I have no problem with this. Pay attention in the mirrors, and make space.
raincult
JackHarknessNerdySidekick
Lane splitting in stand still traffic is generally safe and more efficient for wveryone
Rox2
That cop seems like an extremely pleasant human being.
hyperkinetic
Having lived in a number of large cities in the US, I can say that the NYPD are among the WORST police forces in the country.
WTHisaDIMMAK
If its bumper to bumper traffic, it should be legal. Rider isn’t going that fast, unlike other idiots. Cop just made traffic worse.
nonsensecomment
I know right? Like... I'll just stop my cruiser in the middle of the fuckin highway. Wait, first let me pull into this lane too so I can
nonsensecomment
Obstruct two lanes at once!
TheRicM
The goal is not really to make traffic worse or not. It's to enforce the law
HighPriestOfCera
It's kind of his job to prevent the driver from continuing to break the laws he was hired to enforce.
AShartInTheWind
There's been some extensive studies done in lane splitting. It's much safer for them to be moving between cars, than stopping behind,--
AShartInTheWind
-they're more likely to be rearended.
yepthatguy
MrPengieBetch
Not to mention a water cooled bike still needs air passing over the radiator to stay at an adequate temp. The fan only does so much.
husaber
I split in Seattle in bad traffic. It's illegal but the police don't bother. Probably cause they can't, if I'm splitting they're stuck too
MrPengieBetch
I split in Miami in bad traffic. I go past cops and they don't do anything. But like you said, they know they can't do anything about it.
klj126
Densifying the traffic.
detectivepopcornmmmmm
Yeah seems like the bill to make it legal in Washington kinda died. I'm not a biker, but it seems to make sense. Especially on I5/405.
thepatioheater
This is illegal? I expect of if motorcyclists to do this. It's their perk. No weather protection but traffic weaving. Maybe cos I'm from UK?
TestPattern
It scares baby boomers, therefore illegal
ikagawa
In the USA lane splitting is only legal in California, though, they don't have any rules regarding the practice.
LurkerMcLurkface
So, there's still a chance to get shot?
fuckthisshitwebsite
It's america. Chance to get shot no matter what you're doing.
adamskGod
It’s legal here in Cali and I like it because otherwise traffic would be slightly worse.
chizuui
I'm actually a motorcyclist in Cali and I'm salty the didn't use blinkers or lights... Could have made an accident if the he was any faster!
pilotperson
Legal in Singapore, but really annoying when they squeeze in front of you then dawdle and become an obstruction.
PYCKIBOT
Cop is a pos unlocking his gun like a prick grabbing the keys this is completely unnecessary bs. Typical NYPD trash high on authority.
Pokedmeinthecoconut
Sport bikes have a tendency to speed off. You must be young to be so hot headed.
MadCatIV
yeah, how dare he prevent someone that could easily run and create a dangerous situation from doing so.
PYCKIBOT
"Split laning?" "Eat lead" the NYPD way. Let's seize everyone's private property because why not hes got a badge and a gun wut u gonna do?
molotovb
ay, bullshit. we all know that he isn't preventing any sort of dangerous situation. he's potentially causing a dangerous situation by
molotovb
threatening lethal force from a traffic infraction. his first interaction with the motorcyclist is purely emotional, unprofessional.
husaber
Statistically it's safer for the rider to split lanes than sit in traffic with cars in front and back.
jonestown
I spent about 3 hours on the freeway today (I'm in CA) and repeatedly saw motorcycles splitting lanes and passing cars in 60-70 mph traffic.
yepthatguy
Definitely at speeds from 0-15mph. Helps prevent riders from getting rear ended which is very common.
Swissboy362
can i has some source for that please
skyBASE17
https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/06/02/ama-study-finds-lane-splitting-increases-rider-saftey
Swissboy362
are there any better ones? no offence but a study funded by the AMA without an active link and who's study wasn't exactly conclusive
Swissboy362
see: Lane-splitting riders were less likely to have been using alcohol., Lane-splitting motorcyclists were more likely to be wearing a
Swissboy362
full-face helmet,Lane-splitting riders were significantly less likely to be rear-ended than non-lane-splitting riders.
TheRicM
Asking for a source is one thing, but if someone gives you one and you ask for a "better" one, please do some research for yourself
Swissboy362
im saying your sources conclusions were arbitrary and biased, then showed you what i thought fit those categories, nothing wrong
SunshineTKE
Not illegal in all states. Was told at one point that it’s partially due to some bikes being air cooled. Anyone have more insight?
kawaiimeeshe
Also, imagine being in full gear, sitting in traffic with heat from the sun and from other cars. Could cause heat exhaustion, no joke.
MrPengieBetch
I live in South Florida. I will split in stop and go traffic for the exact reason you just stated.
miraculouslystoned
Most bikes have trouble cooling without some movement. Less fatigue and safer for rider as well.
mektel
My clutch hand has trouble dealing with prolonged stop/go traffic.
SunshineTKE
SomebodyalreadytookMyPants
unpopular opinion here: what's the harm (aside from you all be mad that the biker isn't stuck in traffic with you)?
TestPattern
Corporations can't ride a motorcycle, so that's not the type of freedom America gets
SnoBored
Have had a near accident because biker was moving much faster than traffic. Check mirror check blindspot and in the instant he passed in the
SnoBored
Gap between both because his relative speed was much higher
3Davideo
It's incredibly unsafe for the biker.
seratraxalyn
the issue here is speed, not location
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
Cleaning up the blood.
XaiaX
Americans don't know how to drive, because we have to drive. You have to be really, really, really bad to keep you off the road.
ComcastLover
Didn't you know? Everyone in imgur is a self proclaimed expert in traffic etiquette and law.
IReactToCommentsInMemesAndGifs
ChernoGamma
Motorcyclist here. Too fucking many of my colleagues are idiot assholes who will kill someone.
jridley
If done within the law, it's safer than standing still in traffic and it doesn't inconvenience car drivers at all. Nothing bad about it.
Chpgmr
Lack of trust. I dont trust anyone to not fuck up and scratch, dent, or total their brain.
SomebodyalreadytookMyPants
it's crazy what people do trust especially pedestrians.
FloridaTurtle
No one likes having your death on their conscious
mercure
Car driver have least visible on right line. This is why it is illegal to overtake from the right. Moto are also harder to spot.
DiracsDelta
Personally, as a rider, the only time I’d consider it is 10 mph in dead stop gridlock. Even then, assholes will open car doors just cause.
Smallbrownrabbit
Me too.
gunpoop
I commute in Cali on a bike and a dead stop is not the best time to do it, and you likely won’t get up to 10 mph. Moving traffic is very...
gunpoop
Easy to get through. Also not easy to judge what 10mph faster is, but there is a very clear speed where it stops feeling safe...my guess....
gunpoop
Would be around 10-15mph over.
jacksionc27
They speed, and drivers that merge lanes unexpectedly from the bikes point of view, usually ends in pain
jacksionc27
It's unsafe and stupid as fuck
HPLovecraftWatchesMeSleep
Ends in death. I've been to too many motorbike fatalities. It's not how good your are, it's how bad other drivers are....be safe, not fast.
vIRLWarlock
My friend killed a man splitting too fast. She did everything right, signal, proper speed limit etc He was too fast and where he shouldnt be
AHornyRhino
She get in any trouble?
TomBrokaw
Sounds like she didn't kill him, his behavior did
TheWordForumIsAlsoLatin
See: there is no harm, all we have to accept is the fact that people who rides motorbikes are unnecessarily risking their lives and (1)
TheWordForumIsAlsoLatin
Everyone elses because they think (or don’t) it’s faster and smarter than a car or bike. From my position, they do not deserve any form of 2
TheWordForumIsAlsoLatin
Special treatment just because they, themselves, are “special”. The way they drive, from where I am from, they deserve to be battered
Damiv
Could you be any more of an entitled asshole?
causality
It's rather crazy that driving a car without a seatbelt is illegal but riding a motorcycle at all is legal.
causality
"It's ok if it's 24x more dangerous but not 4x more dangerous" I say this as someone who always wears mine.
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
It's not that unpopular. All the haters are just like "I've seen what happens." I respond "did you die? Were you hurt?"
OpenMindOpenMouth
Riders go too fast and moron drivers change lanes at 5million mph, you turn into a pinball. Witnessed.
Edutittam
going too fast not in a lane and the driver is a moron for changing lanes.
KyleBeach
As well as the occasional biker not being as in tune with the size of their bike as they should be. Once saw one lane splitting the next
KyleBeach
lane over in a big traffic jam, you could hear the smashes like clockwork as he plowed into their side mirrors and kept going because he
KyleBeach
knew he could just keep driving and get away with it.
gunpoop
The cars should have been moved over from the start. If you live in Cali you know motorcycles will be coming through. Get off your phones!!!
xchangefan
NeoGenus59
People everywhere drive too fast. Pinballs are inside cars too..
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. I've seen it too. I've also seen thousands of responsible bikers cruise by safely without incident.
SoupCanMan
Anecdotal evidence is evidence. It's right there in the name. It's even data. However, one data point does not conclude a trend.
SomebodyalreadytookMyPants
ok so he should have said anecdotes aren't evidence
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Sorry I forgot the quotes. I should say "anecdotes are not evidence" I'm amazed i have to explain this......
MajorNikon
None. If you go to Germany where people actually know how to drive it’s common, safe, and more efficient for traffic flow.
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MajorNikon
I’ve lived in both places and as far as driving goes there’s no comparison.
justhereforthefun
Same here in The Netherlands
ringwood
Y'all have like 18 people, two clogs and a few deer. That's not a country.
baronnapalm
The Netherlands is the most densely populated country in Europe so if they can do it safely so can American cities.
rianstar
Same here on SEA.... except the safe part.
notthesameasmyotheraccountss
Seattle?
rianstar
South east asia
bravotipo
same in Italy, guess usa love rules against motorbikes.
vIRLWarlock
except for all the people that get in accidents that isn't worth mentioning in the "know how to drive" umbrella
JoschiGray
I'm not sure but isn't that illegal in Germany? At leaaat I always thought so.
MajorNikon
It’s legal pretty much everywhere in Europe. In typical German fashion they have rules you must follow, but still legal and common.
dirtyward420
yeah it's illegal here in Illinois too
shakesthedog422
Illinois is terrible but at least we don’t have helmet laws.at least not where I am.
SatansLeftNipple
Laws are you to keep you safe. Wait...
nanabroccolifart
Lane splitting is legal here in California
Disgruntled3lf
Everything but personal freedom is legal in California.
hilife5
{State} “Watch out for bikers” PSA every May. {Me} “You better be peddling bitch”
HolyHellJezebel
Illegal in CT too
hotdogwmustard
Represent woot woot
HolyHellJezebel
New Haven county woot
Bigaron74
As it should be
hungrydutchman
Is it legal for the cop to pull his keys?
Disgruntled3lf
I'd think so... Seems a reasonable action to prevent running off.
hunterhavard9000
He'd have to get off the bike first to run off
Disgruntled3lf
Are you making a grammar joke? Or do you not think he could accelerate to the right and go around the officer?
CabooseKbuse
Completely legal here in Melbourne, AUS. Nothing like minding your own business with the window down on your way to work and have this hapen
Mynameisaninnuendo
It’s legal to split a lane at a stoplight with no more than two cars waiting, here in Michigan, obviously he’s abusing that ideahowever.
poorwhitetrash
As it should be.
mitch777
Funny when they eat shit on the expressway.
DamnBrainage
Cr4zyC4tLady
Just became legal in wa
grumpabeme
Ummm, no it is not https://www.injurytriallawyer.com/faqs/motorcycle-lane-splitting-legal-illegal-in-washington-state-.cfm
BoozinYooper
Should be legal. Safer for riders
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
Siting next to some bikes is deafening. Let em pass
TheZodiacKillerForHumanPresident
This. Americans get their jimmies rustled because they think it’s line cutting. Safer and more efficient for everyone
Smacketywack
Not when they suddenly decide to jump in front of you. They abuse the privilege.
TheZodiacKillerForHumanPresident
Instead you could thank them for reducing congestion and your commute time
Smacketywack
If they respected other people on the road it would be different. A lot of them ride like they’re the only ones on the road.
TheZodiacKillerForHumanPresident
That's the difference. Is common curtiosy to let them in other countries. Americans get to butt hurt
pepper0770
Hey there fellow Illinois person!
storm03
It’s legal in the UK. Even in moving traffic.
RoboGumbo
Same in Louisiana. Still see it fairly often. Almost always in a way that'd still be illegal even if some form of splitting were legal.
smittyatyou
Everywhere
slappy55
Almost everywhere except California I think. Or they just don’t care there
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Smacketywack
One more way for motorcyclists to be assholes. Great idea.
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Smacketywack
There isn’t much room between cars for motorcycles to safely pass. I don’t like them squeezing between lanes and missing my car by inches.
AAAWAC
Yeah California is the only state that allows it, but in Florida you can filter through traffic at a stop light or if its at a complete stop
ZombieDreamcatcher
We legalized it in Utah recently. Second state that just legalized it behind California.
theavocadoguac
Both
HumtyFuckty
When I moved to CA in 2004 I was shocked that you could do this. Almost knocked a guy off his bike once.
Damun404
Legal here in Utah finally!
dewneot
Legal and don’t care
Icommentlatedude
Oh is there a speed limit for it? When I was in Cali for a vacation I saw it all the time. Got used to it pretty quick.
MykeMalicious
Well, you are only supposed to split at reasonable speeds, not ripping through traffic. I think 15 above current traffic up to speed limits.
MykeMalicious
That said I play it a bit by ear, not too fast, not too slow. If I don't fit, I don't split. Nor do I zoom by at 65 with stopped traffic.
Icommentlatedude
Yeah, I mean I even if you're in the right it's your safety.
LaxmiSinghers
Though I heard that it's legal in CA as long as you're less than 10 mph over the speed of surrounding traffic. Any truth to this?
MykeMalicious
I wanna say up to 15, no more than the speed limit. Just don't be a dick about it and not rip through and generally CHP won't bust you.
billingsworthswagamuffin
It is on a city by city basis in Texas.
aUsername85
https://www.stephensanderson.com/blog/lane-splitting-in-texas.html
sallyfromthevalleywaitinginthealley
It’s legal in Texas and I hate it. Always catches me off guard.
aUsername85
No it ain’t. https://www.stephensanderson.com/blog/lane-splitting-in-texas.html
sallyfromthevalleywaitinginthealley
It literally says that it’s legal on this webpage you linked. You should have actually read it.
aUsername85
?? Did you read the line that says “Lane splitting is currently illegal in Texas.” I think you need glasses.
miked854
Even then I think you’re only supposed to split slowed or stopped traffic, like a traffic jam or at a light.
gunpoop
I replied too far down the thread, but Cali doesn’t allow or prohibit it. They used to offer guidelines but removed them after a complaint
Weedies617
Wrong. It was put on the books and made legal last year.
gunpoop
Their DMV is misleading then. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/about/lane_splitting
bortlp
Yes. I think there are even speeds associated with the law. Like only when highway traffic is slower than 35 and you can't go above blah
DimensionK
Not anymore! At any speed.
ams23
Legal in California, but only at 15mph. Obviously we’ve seen them over 50mph.
gunpoop
There is no law or guidelines. California does not allow or prohibit it.
Weedies617
Wrong. It was just made legal officially last year. 35 top speed I believe
gunpoop
you are wrong on the speed sir, no guidelines, and I’ll keep finding your replies to my replies throughout this thread to tell you so.
gorramgomer
15 mph over the flow of traffic.
BirdmanPB
Saw a video, rider POV going like 40mph. He t boned a car that was turning into lot, and started yelling at them like it was their fault.
hiyesthisissatan
What the hell? I'm from Cali and I just thought it was legal. It happens all day every day. We just listen fo them and move ightly over.
Meeeeeeeehhhhhh
Yeah but no. I'm not putting myself at risk for someone on a bike.
MykeMalicious
On behalf of (mostly) law abiding riders, thank you. I don't want to hit you in any way and sometimes an inch or two really help :)
TheZodiacKillerForHumanPresident
Legal in pretty much country outside the US and Canada. Much safer for motorcyclists than sitting in stopped traffic
LrrrRulerofThePlanetOmicronPerseiVIII
If you’ll notice, that isn’t stopped traffic
TheZodiacKillerForHumanPresident
That's a lot of stopped cars, but he is going a bit fast for safe splitting. My Japanese license test suggested no more than 10 kph faster
Klaaism
Only when its safely done by the motorcyclist, Ive seen many do it well over 45 mph, in moving traffic, and almost get clipped 1/2
TheZodiacKillerForHumanPresident
Yeah, that's stupid. The CO and UT laws set a max speed on splitting, usually around 15mph
Klaaism
In Las Vegas alone over five years, seen two idiots run smack into vans. 2/2
zed121
I’d actually be pretty pissed off that he took my keys...that can’t be right.
Lycanthian
I totally get why he did it but yeah I’d be pissed too, not really acting in a way a cop who wants you to cooperate would act.
KevinRPD
It's not like he's gonna steal it.
ChernoGamma
My bike (2006 V-Strom 1000) won't fucking move without the keys, checkmate policeman
HowComeThisIsAFeature
I've had a lot of bikes in my life, all could move with the clutch in or in neutral. I find no keys no move both amazing and annoying.
ChernoGamma
I have to lock the forks to take out keys :( It's good security but annoying as shit sometimes.
HowComeThisIsAFeature
Seems wonderful security but a super pain, maybe a trick way r something to let it roll. Mine would shut off in gear and the stand went down
Fumundacheese35
Yeah, that would piss me off.
powderedwigs
He’s probably had a bike take off on him before
toptrojanfan
You could probably push that bike faster than that fat ass cop could run.
Legateus
Well I had one take my keys with one hand on his gun. He mistook me for a racer going over 200kmph on the highway and was on edge.
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
Found the American
Tyronefromtheblock
I just wouldn't have pushed my bike. He's going to write me anyway. He can give me my keys or stand in the middle of the highway and write.
cyndarrus
obstruction of traffic is another ticket to add. being a douche to a cop (regardless of warranted or not) is a stupid idea
Tyronefromtheblock
I'll give them the same vibe they give me.
LabiaCrust
Police are allowed to keep you from fleeing. So yes, he can take the keys.
Relikvie
Totally valid risk assessment. /sarcasm - No, that was a bully move, no more no less. That guy oozes love for his own authority. Yuck.
LadyAzzura
Again this is New York. I’m sure if he could have he would have ran.
UltimateMcNasty
There's a litany of adrenaline junkies that get off on running from the cops on motorbikes. P.S. He just caught this guy breaking the law...
LabiaCrust
A guy with a bike seems logical to take their keys considering they can take off so quickly. And them taking off is dangerous to everyone.
Relikvie
The authority fetish sure is strong in here. He could also tell the guy to remove the keys, or ask to have them handed over. Not hard.
TheRicM
Lol do some research or something before you make these type of emotion-based responses
Relikvie
Research? You've no idea what my background is. Carry on being a robot, if emotions scare you so.
TheRicM
And you continue to blabber and not provide research. Lol smh
TheRicM
Nothing wrong with emotions by the way. I’m just saying, back it up and support it with some research. It’s not that difficult.
DreadPierateRoberts
I would file a police report for theft.
CoolMoG
then you get charged with making a false police report, is that you Jesse?
LabiaCrust
It’s not stolen lol. I mean you can disagree whether they should be able to do that or not. Fact is, they are allowed to take your keys.
DreadPierateRoberts
Theft In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the in
LabiaCrust
Okay but the police are literally allowed to take your keys. It’s not stolen if it’s allowed.
SonofAngus
lol im sure the cops will jump on that and get to work right away
DreadPierateRoberts
I just want them to have an ia invrstiagation that annoys them
FenixVale
Actually, not allowed. Much like the cop cant just take your keys for speeding, despite legality. That could be considered endangerment. 1/2
FenixVale
So sure he stopped the biker, but he has also both detained the biker without proper cause, and put the rider in danger, and is responsible
FenixVale
for their safety. HUGE HUGE nono.
LabiaCrust
Um no. Traffic isn’t moving which is why this is illegal. Motorcyclists have a notoriety for fleeing putting others in danger. I just looked
LabiaCrust
It up. The officer can take your keys if you are a flight risk. So uh. No.
GhostTater
Legal here, but some drivers take it upon themselves to enforce their own version of what they think the law should be.
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Comment section is proof of this....
OhMyItsUncleJoeBiden
Fact is, you're a dick if you do it where its illegal. They're a dick if they bitch about it where it is. Learn the law, don't be a dick.
wadatahmydamie
Honestly, it should be legal everywhere. It’ll reduce traffic, and Darwin will take care of the bad ones.
danthorg
Its leval in darwin, australia too
Rizandor
noctism
I agree, though as a compromise, I'd be okay with limitations being put on it like splitting in fast-moving traffic or something
Orgazzmatron3000
In the Netherlands it’s allowed. Safer then in between cars in stop and go traffic.
oddoregano
Yeah, we don't do things the smart way here in the USA. We do things the other way. They way that makes money.
madeyoulookXD
Shhh people here dont care about the facts, the mods removed a pro lane splitting thread yesterday
hellsummon
The problem is here they fly past you in stopped traffic. By the time they hit your periphery, it's a surprise that you aren't expecting
ihadanidea
I was just in the Netherlands about a week ago and it seemed like bikes took precidence over cars. The bike lanes look better than most 1/2
ihadanidea
Streets where I live
jinbee
Mandatory part of the bike test in the uk in fact.
dontbanme2000and26
The issue without being allowed ar the idiots who go too fast and arent being safe about it.
armitagecasemolly
We should have bike lanes on highways. Like an hov but for motorcycles. I'd be happy to pay a toll to use it
Rizandor
I'm not disagreeing but where i ride motorcycles are allowed in the HOV lane. Its nice.
Conz
Yea with a max passing speed of like 10-15km/h above what the rest is doing i think it was ?
Rainydaysinsummer
Legal in Australia if traffic is stopped or slower than 40k/h
TheAdventuresofCarltheIncompetentLabAssisstant
The problem I have with it is when it's not stop and go traffic.
meatbag76
Traffic not bumper to bumper. Car changing lanes here and there. Bike comes by and clips are car and slides up under another. That's why.
meatbag76
Biker hurt but alive. Complains that it's not his fault when he was also above speed limit by 15mph and lane splitting not legal here.
wannabeu
Allowed in California
TheRicM
*than
Orgazzmatron3000
Studies show that grammar nazi’s are unpleasant people
TheRicM
I make such comments not to correct who wrote it, but in case someone happens to read it & learns something. I've gotten many thank yous
Orgazzmatron3000
The same could be said about my comment
TheRicM
It could be said about it but is that really your intention here? Be honest now
TheRicM
Also, *Nazis (the apostrophe is not needed)
Pssstking
Generally safer where people can see you than in their blind spots
SatanicPickle42
Also allowed here in Australia in stopped traffic
Benderino48
Only just came in tassie. Under 30ks
DeZaim
Under 25km/h I think, or maybe 40km/h traffic too.
s8008
Rules: in traffic moving 30km or less. Not near roadworks. And outside lanes on freeway if sign is 90+ and traffic's moving at 30kph.
DeZaim
At least in Victoria.
itsmenolan
30km/h in NSW
bravotipo
same in Italy, for what it’s worth.motorbikes can do almost anything.
Sharky640
It’s a complete nuthouse driving anything in Italy
Orgazzmatron3000
I’ve drivin in italy. Would be surprised if there was anything that wasn’t allowed in traffic overthere ;)
TheRicM
*driven
pixelbat
Can they make an omelette?
SamualLeymond
it is illegal in the state of New York
HelloFellowMillennials
SEEMS legal in Florida. But then, everything seems legal here...
Illthinkofausernamelater
Everything's illegal in the state of New York.
cleetdog101
What ISNT illegal in NY?
theatomicmysteryweasel
Abortions, socialism, misery...that’s about it.
rvt2
But can he just take the keys like that? That a aggressive move to me.
GiNgErSnApBiTcH
yet on the southern state parkway it happens ALL the time
msmarymac
And on the Jackie...which isnt the best pkwy to do this shit on.
TearsAreGoodLube
Which is why he said to guys are never gonna learn. Was a continuous problem when I lived there...the lanes are too narrow to safely split.
IkkakuTheDruid
The southern state is a lawless zone, I avoid it like the plague when I can
littlevulpix
I can't stand the sagtikos either. It comes to a screeching halt out of nowhere
IkkakuTheDruid
Yeah and even the exits and on ramps are wonky
littlevulpix
What up long island
jaguar5hark
Sadly they also wipe out and suffer the consequences fairly often on the Southern State
baloboo
And the southern state SUCKS. Especially that merge onto the sag.
letmesetthisstraight
Yeah where everyone in the left lane realizes they need to be in the right at the last second
buttscratchergetyourbuttscratched
Nope. Is in fact not legal.
wagnus
I think you mean "Yes, it is in fact not legal. "
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
(psst......reread the comment)
BoozinYooper
Should be legal
DennisDoesStuff
It should be. California has shown that it is safer for everyone involved when done legally.
LinenProduct
I think it should only be legal in heavy, slow traffic and bikers shouldn’t be able to go more than like 5 mph than the traffic.
MDtheGM
That seems completely counter intuitive...
rhilterbrant
Drivers dont see motorcyclists. Especially in stop and go traffic
skyBASE17
https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/06/02/ama-study-finds-lane-splitting-increases-rider-saftey
mardukkur
Tobacco company study proves cigarettes make you super cool and sexy.
TheVermonster
The issue is that many don't do it legally. So now no one gets to do it.
DennisDoesStuff
Yeah, its what usually ends up happening
Imherecuznobodyknowsme
This
CotterPyke
the question isn't what's illegal in NY it's WTF is still legal.
hahadix
Oreos are still legal in NY
theatomicmysteryweasel
For now.
ManateemSix
You have to slam your hands on the hood of a car trying to drive through a crosswalk and yell "I'm walkin 'ere'" .. state law.
TheDuke0fHazzard
ThisAffection
The cross on this picture is so wrong. I mean they should be linked toward the end to make sense...
TheDuke0fHazzard
Huh?
AmericanAdvocate
I find it funny that this makes fun of California via a Texas flag. I hope Californians will get their gun rights back someday.
CotterPyke
i live here, and that'll never happen, they'll continue to get worse then disappear. I'm leaving here for a free state, soonest -
AmericanAdvocate
That's admirable. Good luck.
Coyote8
As if anyone needed more reasons not to live there
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Enjoy your shitty weather, shitty Mexican food and shitty/no surf, -best coast for life!
WhiteSex
Banning lane splitting is like one of the least annoying things this state has done lol
Coyote8
That was my point, blatant disregard for it's citizens, just look how that cop endangered everyone nearly causing an accident with no lights
CotterPyke
damn right, any so called "BLUE" state is one to steer clear of if you have a choice. Taxed and regulated into the ground.
slightlydarkerblack
Were you wondering which of your opinions no one gives a shit about? Hooray! That's the one!
brownribbon
California is the 5th largest economy in the world.
dogsarebetterthanhuman
You can thank Disney for that. I mean Hollywood...wait...doesnt Disney own Hollywood...???
brownribbon
Not sure what you’re trying to imply but California’s economy is way more diverse.
SquanchThisMoFo
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
Florida is red - tell me it’s a well run state
Darkspire
It's a garbage fire made of smaller garbage fires.
clucja1
But pays a ton more. Better educated, better healthcare. More likely not to need government handouts, better roads the list keeps going
kc2syk
Better roads? Northern winters take their tolls on NY. Car undercarriage rusts from salt. Lake effect snow is brutal. Not ideal.
bongles
It's not Wisconsin
brownribbon
Lived in NY for three years. Can confirm, total shithole.
theranchman
As someone who lives in NY 100% agree
Imherecuznobodyknowsme
As someone who also lives in NY also 110% agree
PhallicSorcery
As someone who recently moved to NY, 120% agree.
MrAnchorArms
Becoming legal in Utah on May 14th. Only allowed on roads 45mph or less and can only go up to 15mph when doing it.
MrBoogerPig
Sounds like those are good restrictions
AllMyOpinionSuck
wait what really? Shit and I just sold my bike. Time to buy another. Do you know which bill is is so I can look it up?
MrAnchorArms
I don’t remember the bills name but if you google it, it’ll come up.
AllMyOpinionSuck
ya looked it up after the comment cause I couldn't believe. am glad more states are doing this but I will wait for people to get used to it
pbeezy
HB 149 - https://le.utah.gov/~2019/bills/static/HB0149.html
Skinny1801
I've already had a few bikers do it to me in salt lake and it freaked me out a little. Going to be hard to get used to.
LookingForWorkInColorado
It was introduced in Sydney Australia recently. I've mostly gotten used to it in about 2 years. Probably cheeses me off that motorcyclists
LookingForWorkInColorado
get to "cut in" on the rest of us but, rationally, it makes sense.
PowerToAllThePeople
Thanks you no car drivers get this, I'm out your way + have you ever seen a bike take off!? They don't hold up traffic at all
PowerToAllThePeople
I own a cbr125 and even with a top of 80mph I will fly from lights cause that 0-30 is fast af, nothing but high end cars will keep up till30
HannibalPoopsPeople
In California, it’s legal as long as the rest of traffic is going under 30mph and you can only ride 10mph faster than the rest of traffic
mektel
Which is completely reasonable. Things shouldn't be blanket banned.
MadCatIV
it's dumb, people are already doing it even though it's not legal yet. Worst though is I see now what is going to start happening, 1/3
MadCatIV
other day guy was filtering and they take off like mad to beat the cars they are next to, but of course aren't paying attention to cross 2/3
MadCatIV
traffic and nearly gets creamed by someone just barely running the red. red light guy was wrong of course, but so was filtering guy.
PowerToAllThePeople
How? He took off on red (stupidly of course) but it was his right to go. Anyone could get hit by that cunt running red be angry at them
PowerToAllThePeople
He took off on green*
Aw101
Those are just the idiots. I do it everyday on my commute along with many other motorcyclists w/o any issue. The people who do it 1/2.
Aw101
Dangerously ride that way all the time. Darwin will take care of them.
MadCatIV
one can only hope, and that it will be just them when it does.
moldymurkin
You seem like a cunt
LurkerMcLurkface
Why 45 or less and not more? This implies places with cyclists and pedestrians. 45 and over would by out of town, right?
andi9610101
Not necessarily. Bangerter Highway has speeds up to 60 mph.
pbeezy
I'm the guy who got the bill passed. Main reason for the 45mph restriction was because UHP requested it, basically to remove freeways.
yepthatguy
Sort of. Utah has some limited access roads that aren't freeways with limits of 50-55. They were likely trying to exclude those.
MadCatIV
It's just filtering forward at stop lights, not lane splitting. pedestrians and cyclists should not be crossing in the middle of traffic.
SilentInSUB
That's a good point. The only time this seems safe is when its on the freeway in gridlock traffic.
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Is splitting lanes at 65mph is safe?
preparationh67
Nope.
sickburn
The speed limit of the road has nothing to do with the speed the bike is traveling when lane splitting.
blcollier
I've done it at that kind of speed on a motorway (highway...? freeway...? idk really) when the traffic is going at 50mph or so.
blcollier
How you do it is what makes it safe/unsafe. Bikers here tend to be hyper-vigilant. Of course we're all human and all make mistakes.
preparationh67
I've yet to meet a biker who didn't think they weren't hyper vigalent. I've also yet to meet a biker who admitted to dickhead driving.
RedWolfie
Legal in the UK, it all comes down to common sense, don't go so fast that you are gonna end up smashing in to someone who's changing lanes.
ILaughAndCryEveryDayFromU
It's illegal in the states because all the dick head car drivers that cut in and out of lanes without looking would clip them
SophieClockwise
ShenanigansForHireExperiencedBeerTasterAndCraicFacilitator
Been a decade or two but I don't ever remember hearing about lane splitting as a car driver, so I would not be expecting this manoeuvre. 1/2
ShenanigansForHireExperiencedBeerTasterAndCraicFacilitator
Might be why it's an issue, bikers know when/where they can do it, car drivers have no expectation that they'll need to look out for it. 2/2
subtleshock72000
Common sense in America? Hahahahaha thats a good one
Luchingador
Le Filtrage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q29inP2m3do
BanzaiRun
lol, "I send them away"
Sumpte
It's not legal in all cases, it only applies to slow moving traffic.
blcollier
Not quite. There is no "law" on it, it's a case-by-case basis as to whether the way a biker filters is considered dangerous driving.
imanatheistdebateme
Not if that person is using a turn signal, checking their mirrors, over the shoulder, and executing a lane change consistent with the law.
avidday04
As a cop pulls in front of him and he stops perfectly fine.
HappyDude2
Damn right. ^_^
Willybum84
Always try to move a bit when I see a bike in the rear view. Helps congestion and like you say as long as they take it easy I don't mind it.
SacrificialClam
How does it help congestion though. A single motorcycle making his own lane...frees up a single spot.
JokerJeep
When you got more than one bike scattered around then it adds up I guess.
SacrificialClam
The most I have ever seen together, other than a massive motorcycle club, is three. Theyll take about about two cars worth of space driving
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
Here in cali I always get in the left lane hugging left, we have a lot of bikers and they certainly aren't hurting anyone.
theshinobi23
You think we have any abundance of common sense here in the states?
stratosphere
Maybe we could import some from them.
felixovidiu11
I ride a scooter to work in London, it would make no sense for me not to split lanes, I might as well use a car and stay deadlock in (part1)
felixovidiu11
heavy traffic. If I'm using a scooter I have to endure rain and bad weather, there must be a payoff to that. (final)
imjustheretofavouritethings
Its just become legal in my state in Australia, but you can only do it when traffic is at a stand still.
whiterabbit99
Which state?
imjustheretofavouritethings
Tassie
Iloveweed13
You can do it in Queensland
dogsarebetterthanhuman
Is anybody else envisioning Rob Schneider?
BIGSHOWTV
The logic and common sense is that motorcycles are vehicles and must adhere to the same rules as a car, for everyone's safety.
blcollier
Except that the rules are different for bikes & motorbikes because the rule book (Highway Code) allows filtering.
SilentHowling
It's not logical. A bike can easily fit. In slow or stopped traffic as long as they are going slow it's not dangerous.
BIGSHOWTV
So what happens if someone has an emergency and needs to open their car door? Or what if someone, who has right of way, changes lanes?
blcollier
Then you look. It's pretty simple. As a biker you also need to watch out for that stuff and need to be able to stop in time.
BIGSHOWTV
Fine, then as a biker, they can pay attention and "stop in time" when I open my car door as they approach. Every time.
imanatheistdebateme
You never have the right of way if you're changing lanes. Law imposes a duty on you to change lanes safely.
BIGSHOWTV
You DO have the right of way changing lanes if traffic is clear in the lane you're changing to and you have your signal on.
imanatheistdebateme
Then they should check their mirror first to make sure they can safely open their door. Kind of obvious isn't it?
BIGSHOWTV
So you can see EVERYTHING in your mirrors? You don't have blind spots? You must have a translucent car then..
SilentHowling
what if a pinecone falls on a donkey's head? Shit happens while driving. Use your eyes. I'm in Germany where it's legal. There isn't 1/2
SilentHowling
A bunch of motorcycle deaths because of it. Just don't be rushing thru traffic at ridiculous speeds & you'll avoid most of bad stuff. 2/2
idontmuchlikepeople
Encouraged in the UK. Forms part of the lessons
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WarBearGrrrrrrr
If cyclist were forced to do a version of the highway test they might understand the risks and learn the road laws. Speaking as a cyclist
Lambast
Well, sometimes jumping a left turn red is the only way to get around a corner without a bendy bus or lorry killing you.
idontmuchlikepeople
Even not in London, they do this. Although not in as great numbers, naturally
blcollier
You could in fact be marked down on your test for not filtering when you have the opportunity.
idontmuchlikepeople
Yup
BluePeaSoup
It’s legal in California... but I did see a lot of motorcycle accidents there.
imanatheistdebateme
I think most accidents involving a motorcycle involve a vehicle making a left hand turn that violates the motorcyclists right of way.
PowerToAllThePeople
Nah distracted driver is #1 but yeah illegal turns and shit definitely #2
Imherecuznobodyknowsme
You'll see a lot anywhere just like you see a lot of car accidents.
BluePeaSoup
True. I saw a few a week on my 405 freeway commute. Not sure if splitting the line had anything to do with it. Just sayin.
StarryPlough
UK doesn't spoonfeed and raise a society of infants in quite the same way though
molotovb
spoken as your government is literally looking for a way to make sharp objects illegal
StarryPlough
Whose government?
Filthy00
Ah yes, the UK. A totally perfect society #brexit Didn’t a bunch of people vote yes cuz they thought it was a joke?
StarryPlough
Sort of, but that has nothing to do with what I said.
Filthy00
Sounds like a society of infants to me. No one is better than anyone, you seem to think otherwise for some reason.
StarryPlough
Doesn't make any sense. Getting the impression quite a lot of people are better than you, in terms of intelligence at least.
perki1984
"in quite the same way." Different KINDS of infants.