Every military campaign launched by Trump breaks nations apart, displaces millions, and delivers no lasting peace—all designed to funnel endless government cash to weapons contractors.
I wonder if the partial release of the epstein files was a way of signaling "You [putin, netanyahu et al] can reveal whatever you want about trump, it's not going to change anything. We released some really ugly and graphic stuff here and nothing happened. His maga hordes believe him when he calls it a hoax or conspiracy and his enemies are powerless b/c the congressional GOP majority couldn't care less that he raped kids. So go ahead and dump everything you have. It's going to roll off him too"
Time to produce patriot missiles, and provide and excess to all of NATO, who may put resources into Ukraine to get more patriot missiles, and therefore increase their defense spending like chump wanted.
I don't trust it. America doesn't do things for good. If this is true, they're only doing this because it gives them license to exploit Ukraine down the road.
very good news. Also probably realised his fuck up with Iran and the US needs more intercpter production in the event a conflict breaks out with china. Poland might be next to recieve a license
the US will never go to direct war with China, don't be ridiculous. The US will not even defend Taiwan.
Not even Right Wing Neocons acknowledge this as a possibility when the US cannot even defeat Iran militarily. Especially when China has an immense advantage on manufacturing.
The US didnt defeat Iran militarily lol Iran couldnt do anything to stop the US from bombing anywere in thier country. how Iran is winning because a vital choke point of global shipping of oil runs near them and a single cheap drone or mine can completely halt that shipping.
...are you confusing the US bombing Iranian military assets vs civilian? Yea, the US can bomb civilian infrastructure because that is all they have been able to significantly do.
Only 3 of 33 underground launch sites have been closed by the US while the US has lost near 2/3 of their global interceptor supply which will take years to replenish.
Yeah, but Patriots are crucial for dealing with aircraft and high altitude threats that are out of the reach of the economical drone interceptors. Moreover, depending on the terms of the license, Ukraine could sell them to other Patriot users in exchange for further military aid.
And it's not like you can just build them in a cave with a box of scraps. The production facilities would take months to set up and would have a massive target on them during that time. There's also the issue of how many Ukraine needs vs. how many they could realistically produce; Russia is firing like 100 missiles a month and even the US is only able to produce around 50 Patriots in a month.
Actually they have. Ukraine has moved or hardened current production to more distant or underground locations. They’ve disputed part production to multiple locations instead of one central hub.
Tbh in this case he started out wanting greenland and alienating most countries in NATO. Nothing new there. This was tbh the important part for the meeting to me. Getting Ukraine able to make the patriots will also strengthen europes defences in some years because you can be sure Ukraine will make a huge production of this.. which might still take a good while before they actually can make missiles at.. but.. defo a good step in the right direction
Agreed. Even if they got the schematics tomorrow they are likely a year out until they can be manufactured en masse. They needed this at the minimum before they ambushed him at the White House last year, if not earlier.
Yes but theirs are mostly mid tech at best that they however use very well with good intelligence and a plan, keeping costs cheap so they can build more and overwhelm the Russians with numbers.
A Patriot is a whole other thing, it is a high tech system full of electronics and special parts. It will take likely a year if everything goes perfectly and they get on it like tomorrow before they can start production and likely even more time before they can produce in numbers.
They will need around 6 Month to setup the Production Line. There is one Country which needs an European Patriot Productions Line as it has the biggest Patriot Fleet out there, Germany. Lot of the Productions boosts Ukraine had experienced came from Germany, Ukraine can literally buy all the Machine Tools it needs there, thats what Scholz and Merz has done instead of giving Taurus: You get all the Machine Tools you need for domestic Production and we pay for 500 1000km Drones instead.
Thats the reason zelensky stopped asking for Taurus, he got a far better deal. And if Ukraine starts producing Patriot, Germany will be happy as lot of their Patriot Pac-3 Stock went to Ukraine and their restocking deliveries.. were Iraned.
Other European countries might be willing to put resources and manpower in the hands of Ukraine in exchange for some of the missiles. It wouldn't be immediate, but it is definitely a possibility.
They already produce missiles of many different types, there shouldn't be that much of a gap, especially since many components will need to be imported for them regardless.
NotAllowedToArgueUnlessYouPay
He's promised them a piece of paper. Quintessential Trump theater.
MEOWnews
Every military campaign launched by Trump breaks nations apart, displaces millions, and delivers no lasting peace—all designed to funnel endless government cash to weapons contractors.
thosearntpillows
If he’s doing something positive there must be something in it for him.
charliegrs
This is only going to last as long as one phone call from Putin
Hexidimentional
wonder what happened to the blackmail that putin almost certainly has on him, did he just.. forget about that?
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
I wonder if the partial release of the epstein files was a way of signaling "You [putin, netanyahu et al] can reveal whatever you want about trump, it's not going to change anything. We released some really ugly and graphic stuff here and nothing happened. His maga hordes believe him when he calls it a hoax or conspiracy and his enemies are powerless b/c the congressional GOP majority couldn't care less that he raped kids. So go ahead and dump everything you have. It's going to roll off him too"
KAPTKipper
This is all Trump BS until it happens
Jimthebutler
Time to produce patriot missiles, and provide and excess to all of NATO, who may put resources into Ukraine to get more patriot missiles, and therefore increase their defense spending like chump wanted.
Rangar
Incoming strongly worded phone call from Putin in 3 . . 2 . . 1 . . .
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
I don't trust it. America doesn't do things for good. If this is true, they're only doing this because it gives them license to exploit Ukraine down the road.
hellospacemonkey
That's because people told Trump that Putin is losing the war and Trump hates the stink of losers to be on him.
Myballzzich
This will take years to implement l
ButtscratchMcPherson
He'll change his mind after the next phone call to Putin.
Idkillpickanamelater
very good news. Also probably realised his fuck up with Iran and the US needs more intercpter production in the event a conflict breaks out with china. Poland might be next to recieve a license
ArgentXero
the US will never go to direct war with China, don't be ridiculous. The US will not even defend Taiwan.
Not even Right Wing Neocons acknowledge this as a possibility when the US cannot even defeat Iran militarily. Especially when China has an immense advantage on manufacturing.
Idkillpickanamelater
The US didnt defeat Iran militarily lol Iran couldnt do anything to stop the US from bombing anywere in thier country. how Iran is winning because a vital choke point of global shipping of oil runs near them and a single cheap drone or mine can completely halt that shipping.
ArgentXero
...are you confusing the US bombing Iranian military assets vs civilian? Yea, the US can bomb civilian infrastructure because that is all they have been able to significantly do.
Only 3 of 33 underground launch sites have been closed by the US while the US has lost near 2/3 of their global interceptor supply which will take years to replenish.
cousteau
Coming from Trump, it'll come with a fine print.
giganticroboticpenguin
It will happen in two weeks. Same time frame that they have been saying about fixing Singer Payer health insurance since 2017.
causality
I mean that's not a bad thing per se, but Patriots are outrageously expensive to make, especially for a country like Ukraine.
NKato
Yeah, but Patriots are crucial for dealing with aircraft and high altitude threats that are out of the reach of the economical drone interceptors. Moreover, depending on the terms of the license, Ukraine could sell them to other Patriot users in exchange for further military aid.
Cataleast
And it's not like you can just build them in a cave with a box of scraps. The production facilities would take months to set up and would have a massive target on them during that time. There's also the issue of how many Ukraine needs vs. how many they could realistically produce; Russia is firing like 100 missiles a month and even the US is only able to produce around 50 Patriots in a month.
GuitarGeorge
Won’t Russia just bomb that factory though?
kingbudo101
They haven't been bombing ukraine current missile factories
GuitarGeorge
Actually they have. Ukraine has moved or hardened current production to more distant or underground locations. They’ve disputed part production to multiple locations instead of one central hub.
NKato
Dispersed*
curialis
He's too busy running his Iran war stock pumping scam to worry about Ukraine
neo154
They don't care. They have their own now
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
Holy shit, Ukraine will probably triple the established U.S production capacity within the first year.
Bundalicious
What does daddy Putin think about this?
fibbertitgibbet
Or would be genuinely impressive if Ukraine manages, because for all it's resources, the US hasn't managed to increase production much.
Zetor
"President Trump says..." I would not hold my breath until I had the missiles in my yard.
UnpinionedPoplars
*in Putin's yard.
KilroyLichking
ready to be launched right cause receiving the missiles in your yard may also be on the table maybe /s we never can know
CouldntCakeLess
Exactly. And they might have to pay a licencing fee on top. Or buy some golden bullshit from his cronies. Wouldn't be surprised.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Yes, because USA has so few of them that in case Ukraine produces more than what needed, USA can buy them from Ukraine and use them to kill Iranians.
Such a shit world.
CouldntCakeLess
Until Orange Oaf can't remember it the next day. And wants to invade Greenland. And the Mexicans pay for it. Does he even have the cards?
Myothercarisadelorean
camn333
I'm starting to think the only cards he has is a set of cards against humanity someone gave him.
whoknowsanymorelol
Hrafna55
He has to worry about war with the Islamic Republic of Japan now as well.
quade
No, he got FIFA to revoke them.
ElroydIsGone
Since he already got the FIFA peace price, I think in return he will get the Nobel Red Card.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
He evidently got a ton of 'Get out of jail free' cards.
NoMoreMorons
youreathing
HAVE YOU SAID THANK YOU??!?
Mohareb
Tbh in this case he started out wanting greenland and alienating most countries in NATO. Nothing new there. This was tbh the important part for the meeting to me. Getting Ukraine able to make the patriots will also strengthen europes defences in some years because you can be sure Ukraine will make a huge production of this.. which might still take a good while before they actually can make missiles at.. but.. defo a good step in the right direction
Idkillpickanamelater
have the cards??
CouldntCakeLess
That's the thing the Orange King told Selenskyj at the White House while he and the couch fucker belittled him. What a shitshow that was.
thrashingcows
RHodeidra
The madness is the point. Look at the left hand while the right hand funnels trillions into the oligarchy.
Artoris
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dnYweGx6enF4YnVqZ3cxMXdpZDB0YTF1Y2Jrd2xzc2FmeGs4OXJ0MiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/tnYri4n2Frnig/200w.webp
peterbozeman
I wish this had happened in 2023 when they first asked.
glovelyday
It's not like they can just snap their fingers and start building them.
SortaSordid
Agreed. Even if they got the schematics tomorrow they are likely a year out until they can be manufactured en masse. They needed this at the minimum before they ambushed him at the White House last year, if not earlier.
lightfoot2
I wouldn't count on that. Those guys know how to make weapons.
FPAlpha
Yes but theirs are mostly mid tech at best that they however use very well with good intelligence and a plan, keeping costs cheap so they can build more and overwhelm the Russians with numbers.
A Patriot is a whole other thing, it is a high tech system full of electronics and special parts. It will take likely a year if everything goes perfectly and they get on it like tomorrow before they can start production and likely even more time before they can produce in numbers.
fibbertitgibbet
More even. The US with all its resources can't manage to make them fast enough..
Elkarlo77
They will need around 6 Month to setup the Production Line. There is one Country which needs an European Patriot Productions Line as it has the biggest Patriot Fleet out there, Germany. Lot of the Productions boosts Ukraine had experienced came from Germany, Ukraine can literally buy all the Machine Tools it needs there, thats what Scholz and Merz has done instead of giving Taurus: You get all the Machine Tools you need for domestic Production and we pay for 500 1000km Drones instead.
Elkarlo77
Thats the reason zelensky stopped asking for Taurus, he got a far better deal. And if Ukraine starts producing Patriot, Germany will be happy as lot of their Patriot Pac-3 Stock went to Ukraine and their restocking deliveries.. were Iraned.
Userlivewire
They have likely already been building them just waiting for a license to do it publicly.
almawsil
They have already said they have found a few ways to enhance/streamline the production
Jimthebutler
Other European countries might be willing to put resources and manpower in the hands of Ukraine in exchange for some of the missiles. It wouldn't be immediate, but it is definitely a possibility.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Ukraine's system is very innovative. Production will start faster than almost anywhere else.
They have one goal, and are highly motivated population.
MithridateEupator
They already produce missiles of many different types, there shouldn't be that much of a gap, especially since many components will need to be imported for them regardless.
buttcreambandit
It’s nice to think they already got the manufacturing and we’re just waiting on the trademark/blueprints. But that’s probably not the case
Eyeetsass
Why would they need Patriot missiles? They’re winning the war with cheap drones, and they don’t target schools, or hospitals.
IupvoteAussies
Patriot interceptors. They intercept incoming drones, missiles, etc
0570
The picture says missiles. that's a big, expensive piece of ordinance to send after drones.
IupvoteAussies
They're made for missiles, but yes, they've been using them to intercept cheap drones.
IupvoteAussies
Yes, that is expensive, stupid, and unsustainable.
0570
And exactly what Ukraine's been doing to Russia's missile defences. https://securityanddefence.pl/Analysis-of-the-power-of-drones-and-limitations-of-the-anti-drone-solutions-on-the,208347,0,2.html