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Aug 19, 2025 1:11 AM
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But lizthedeveloper is not telling you to do it.
crcinau
It'd also suck if someone decided to stick an Airtag or two on ICE cars they see around....
TerrorAustralisIncognita
"Oh man the US GOvernment is setting up mass surveillance to record us. This is bad! How about in your free time let's set up a mesh network and tag who was there, so we could figure out who is an ICE agent and totally nothing else... this is very different to what law enforcement is doing i promise". Not convinced. Just slash the tyres / let air out
maeta
Are you talking about Comcast again
RibbleTPibits
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlYTVsMGRwdDJwZ2Zmd25jcTFpa2Fqbzd0dW9pOGl4a21tMG1kMnY2bSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/KxhIhXaAmjOVy/200w.mp4
SacrificialClam
toobiwanyoulisten
Every time I see those teeth
Bojovnik84
zmanz
https://youtu.be/RpFhFV58FEs?si=SqCKiGyeEmxU7RY6
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Shout out to https://www.iceblock.app/
...poor guy needs all the help he can get. Especially after what they did to his wife
indomara
I wish there was a way to donate to him!
cellardoor42
I why she acting like this would be illegal? It's totally legal.
JaTheRed
Sounds good but I am dumb
TerminalInterface
link some code, I'll build solar zeros for it.
whatsisname
The problem is that a) Bluetooth is microwave so you don't have the angular resolution to have "ai vision", 2) you'd need to know what to scan for, ice doesn't necessary broadcast themselves via Bluetooth, 3) there's shitloads of Bluetooth devices out there to sift against.
TimeFoDat
What if people just walked around with flamethrowers?
TupacAintDead
I’m too stupid to be helpful to society
9z2nf02h
Download the WiGLE app on your phone. It reports Bluetooth devices it collects while running to an open source database that others can use for research purposes. Don't worry about your phone, it uses a random address for every contact. But it IS useful for things like car stereos with bluetooth, so individual cars can be identified, or some types of devices like bodycams.
Valkor
correct, meshtastic has this functionality built in, but you'd need to coordinate a mqtt server to use since the public one won't work for this. can even bridge from mesh to internet. it's good shit.
QuartzPoker
I don't understand any of this but it sounds like a good thing?
SF0X
Pretty easy to spoof, also what happens when it gets subverted against you?
hashbaz
Yeah never fight because you might get punches thrown back at you.... Coward
CrikShore
Go read some "life advice" on instagram
NoCapForRealForReal
The tactics being employed by these "law enforcement" groups aren't intelligent enough to suggest there's broader coordination or strategy, and we NEED identifying information right now.
Silkyninja1
I am down to help but I'm old and would need this translated for me to not a techie Gen x speak
Unknownium
Big sister is watching
tesseract4d2
They're saying use low-cost electronics (esp32) to collect data via Bluetooth (BLE) (from ICE's cellphones I guess?) with enough data points you can identify ICE agents in the field and monitor and record their activities.
It's a cool idea, but that data could be bad if it gets in the hands of bad actors, which would be inevitable with the kind of grassroots crowd-sourcing you'd need to make it work.
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
Gen X here, and that's not Gen X speak. Try a little younger than that. Gen X is 44-59 year-olds
Silkyninja1
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dudbdjf
Touch-tone dialing?! Fancy!
Silkyninja1
Yeah dude I said I need it translated to my "I'm not a techie, gen x" language.
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
You're right. I misread. Sometimes that happens at our age
Silkyninja1
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dynamojoe
You can do a small version of this right now. Axon is a company that makes bodycams that are (AFAIK) almost exclusively used by law enforcement. You know them by their previous name, Taser. Axon's bluetooth prefixes are public record. If your bluetooth scanner picks up that prefix, you're in the presence of a cop of some sort.
a1b2c3Cat
No, i definately know them as axon, i watched the rookie
ATLandNerdy
I haven't been seeing body cams on these ICE guys, they don't seem to care about evidence, much less due process.
SavageDrums
Their trainings is "here's a few bits of a uniform, go bash some brown people." no time for cameras, or badges, or due process.
Pevinsghost
That's great for municipal police that follow local ordinance about law enforcement using recording devices. Don't think I've seen a single federal agent use them much less ice.
Luorric
What if it's turned off? Or they might put it; "oops it must've gotten bumped and turned off on its own :) oopsie no footage of this situation where they say there was excess force guess you gotta take our word for it"
Mmbear
Depends what turned off means for the cameras. If the device is actually powered down it will not be transmitting, but if it’s just in some sleep mode then it will still transmit. Problem is as far as the videos I’ve seen ice doesn’t wear bodycams.
Kuiper
You could also listen for P25 radios, all the feds switched to P25 a few years ago, and so did many state agencies.
Valkor
detecting them is not very reliable for lots of reasons, but the protocol is easily jammed by fucking with the control signal.
Kuiper
Yeah, individual handhelds sure, but the repeaters, and in vehicle transceivers have error correction. You'd need to multicast. Plus, the vehicle radios are pretty powerful cause they're trying to push an 800mhz signal several miles.
Valkor
what you're trying to do is stop the local receiver from receiving the central control channel. i assure you, 1W and a yagi is all it takes.
Kuiper
That only works within 10 feet trust me lol. Plus some messages still get through. What you wanna do is lock up the repeater. That fucks everything up. I've done it by accident before, our radios let you send text messages, and I texted 'All Call' and it locked up the repeater lol.
sakm
That's just crowdsourced mass surveillance. Who is going to be the authority who amasses and cleans the data so it's only used for the intended purpose, and ensures it doesn't get into the hands of the exact kind of people it's meant to use to warn about? Even if that issue was addressed, the kind of technical knowhow to implement this is extraordinarily rare. Even among the tech literate, only a small percentage would be capable of buying and programming these devices, when it relies on mass.
Penth13f
It'd be stupid not to use their own weapons against them.
Bojovnik84
Yeah, sounds good, until one of those douche bags get ahold of it and feed it false data or shut it down. It's cool to talk about, but this isn't going to really work on the scale needed.
TheForgewright
It's why Batman destroyed his network of cell-phone sonar after he used it. It's a dangerous game to play having all that information.
QotU
Ask the folks at Open Street Map how they do it. Crowdsourced mass data is not new.
M4UsedRollout
The government already has crowdsourced mass surveillance. It’s just one or two subpoenas away whenever they need it.
Should they be the only ones who can do it?
petpet3d
Also, mesh networking inherently doesn't scale. At some point you actually do need a real networking backbone.
TinyLiehon
Ah ... ehm,,, the bl-... ahem ... blockchain. Yes! Have we tried blockchaining as a solution? Maybe we can funge the data for extra encryptoing?
BassFaceDeluxe
UIs could be created to reduce the amount of technical knowledge needed
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
https://www.iceblock.app/
kaoticgirl
The only iPhone I have access to is my federal work phone. Wouldn't that be funny af
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
The calls coming from *inside* the building!
gizmomelb
programming is easy - hell I'm a 50 year old who davvles in Home Automation and I've worked with these sorts of devices.. it's literally plug it into the usb port of any pc and run the software to program the device.
OrangeFlavours
Dude, people struggle to plug in USB's. Even though they can figure it out, if it takes WORK to figure out, they won't do it.
Bojovnik84
As someone who is in IT professionally for 20+ years.....hahahahaha. You greatly underestimate users and their ability to be users. It's why they generate a lot of id 10 t errors.
adiving
Well Giz is responding to someone who claims it'll be hard even for the tech literate.... which is a rather different group than the average user.
gizmomelb
Agreed some people sturggle with technology.. but as a competent IT professional, you taught them what they were doing incorrectly and you then had less tickets from those same people in future, right?
Bojovnik84
Uh, no? There have been a few, sure, especially younger people, but having been with law firms the last 6 years of my career, it's bonkers. Still have 70+ years old attorneys that have their assistant print out an email, write on it and the assistant has to reply as the attorney with what they wrote on the printed email, all because they refuse to learn to type or use a computer. There will just be people that will not use technology, no matter how easy it may be.
gizmomelb
So from your example above.. you dealt with the assistants who were encountering the problem, since the 70+ year old attorneys wouldn't use technology to log the ticket. So why didn't you work with the assistant and resolve the problem at the source? BTW: I worked in IT support/admin for 35+ years, while working for F.T.I. and directly with firms like Deloitte.
SciencePetsComputers
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Lots of people have little interest in doing or learning anything other than bare minimum to get their task done on computers.
gizmomelb
to keep the cliches coming.. every shot you don't take is a shot that's missed. Don't you think that the people interested in tracking ICE / police to help the protests would be more than willing to learn how to click a few buttons? Though I am beginning to see a pattern here as to why democracy is being taken away from americans.. it's because there is no will to actually do anything about it, even simple things.
CyberWizard252
This. People will learn what they have to, when they have to.
My professional experience is similar and I've seen computers go from a niche item to completely ubiquitous and yet the number of people who throw up their hands thinking that tech is "nerd stuff" and is SUPPOSED to be beyond their grasp seems to be increasing. We're taught that we should only learn what provides a financially profitable return in our careers and everything else is a waste of time so they pass on any tech training.
gizmomelb
Maybe that explains why america has gone down the drain so fast. Almost everyone I've worked with - lawyers, mechanics, plumbers and literal rocket scientists - have leanred the basic IT skills they have needed to do their work and IT support is for when things don't do what they're supposed to.
sakm
You are representative of, at best, 0.01% of the population of the US, probably significantly lower than that. You severely overestimate the technical ability of the average person, even when the instructions are written out for them.
gizmomelb
It doesn't need the average person, so that 0.01% is still 34727 people and it really only needs to be rolled out in major cities. There's also a wonderful thing which you americans may not have really heard of yet - it's called 'tee ching' and it's where one person who knows something or how to do something, shows another person (or multiple people) how to do it. Then they try and the 'tee chur' watches to make sure they can do it correctly and offers advice if they don't quite 'get it'.
sakm
A mass rollout of a technology needed *immediately* is not the time for teaching, and your needlessly dismissive tone isn't helping anything.
gizmomelb
neither is your negativity.. you complain that not enough people can do 'the work' when the work is literally plug the device in, press a button on the software, wait and it's done. If everyone else was like you saying it can't be done 'immediately' then NONE of the protests or support would currently be happening, would it?
gizmomelb
here you go.. here's an overly long video someone did a year ago (but I'm sure there's a cheaper and newer module which available) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKAnZJuZ0g
InfocalypseRising
I understood some of these words
incendras
And there lies the problem, we're not all built to this jibe, some of us swing hammers, some of us make food, some of us are pornstars, we ain't all tech savvy.
Corrodias
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absolutezero182
They want a nationwide set of miniature computers with overlapping coverage to scan for bluetooth and wifi signals so they can dox ICE agents
a1b2c3Cat
Not wifi, only bluetooth, but people disable bluetooth a lot, due to battery usage
absolutezero182
https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/module/paxcounter/ The paxcounter docs say wifi as well. Not super familiar with it though so I could be misreading it
Freak0zoid
Yeah, the subtitles messed up a few times. Notes should be nodes. Shame
a1b2c3Cat
Got a lot more, raspberrypi is a tiny desktop computer running Linux. Esp32 is basicly a minimal embedded device that has wifi and maybe bluetooth build in. Hope this helps
wylkyn
Somebody promised me pie. Where's the pie?
Icantthinkofacleverusernametouse
I understood all those words individually
zmanz
check out Prisencolinsiusal (alrigh) by Adriano Celentano. it's an funky song with all English words strung together by an Italian, making for a cool jibberish beat. made in the 70s. yes, there's a version with subtitles
Bobbobbobobbananafanafobob
Bad guys and good guys have devices on their person. When you scan for devices, they all show up. If you then take 2 events a bad guy was at and say "from x to y time the bad guys were here" you can very quickly narrow down which devices are bad guys. If you expand this idea, you can then find when these bad guy devices show up at the grocery store, neighborhoods, etc. if enough people do it, you could track their movements. Get alerted ahead of time. Find where they live. And so on.
wannasee
Thank you for the explanation
Septcanmat
Unfortunately there’s no way to limit this system to ONLY detecting ICE agents, since the whole thing is built on the premise of non-discriminating wide-area scan of wireless devices.
dasklaus
No, there absolutely is a way, which is where you need to say "bad event at this time at this place". It will give false positives on one such tagging, but use two, three (required tags to identify a device as bad), you weed them out fast.
Septcanmat
The issue is that having all that data (and you need to keep all of it because any given ping might be a particular ICE agent’s first detection) means a massive invasion of privacy of absolutely everyone who has a wireless device in their pocket. “To defeat ICE we developed the world’s most invasive Big Brother surveillance network the likes of which most despots can only dream!”
dasklaus
yes, that's my issue here as well