I get that these pricks are pretending they want to protect children. For some of them, this may even be true. But don't they have anyone on their team who understands even a little bit about how this works, who could have prevented this cretinous, internet-illiterate fuckery. It's the message that matters to them. They don't care who they hurt.
I hate to break it to you, but incase you didn't know, state government and even U.S. government is ran by a bunch of nobodies. There is no background or knowledge qualifications to run for state assembly or even U.S House. Look at Boebert as an example. She ran a failing restaurant and got her GED on the campaign trail for U.S. House. So in Utah you have a bunch of people who won a popularity contest with like 2,000 voters making these decisions
I don't think so that's what would be amazing about it. You could go into any seedy bookstore or gas station and ask for your copy of "Polygamist Monthly" or "Sexy Cousin's" (Utah is Mormon country after all)
Yeah, but have any others also taken action? I mean I don’t think so but it’d be a good way to hammer in the seriousness. Cause there’s like 5 others I can think of off the top of my head.
Couldn't tell you but I don't think them doing this will cause Utah to take action, anyway. I defer to the old joke: How do you keep a Mormon from drinking all the beer at your party? Invite another Mormon. They're not going to be calling their local rep to complain, they're going to laud the effort to their friends and neighbors and then go install a VPN. Which they're already doing in droves.
For the record that was sarcasm. I have no evidence that VPN lobbyists pushed for this law. It seems like a big stretch as well. VPN's aren't on the same scale as cattle or oil. All combined, it is about the same size as Google though.
I doubt they had any fingers in the pie, but it's definitely gonna help them out. I would genuinely bet money the guys pushing these bills have no actual idea how the internet works, let alone a VPN.
I'm curious how this is gonna' go. Utah consumes crazy amounts of porn so there's surely a lot of people who are angry about this but to protest, they'd have to admit it, and Utah is also very hypocritical.
Wait till their nearly-matching law restricting access to any form of 'social media' (defined as any site or service where you can post and people can comment or rate, which includes things like the US park service website because they have a portion for rating trails) for anyone under 13? without proof of parental consent, goes into effect next year. Utah will stop having an internet.
You can get married at 12 in California if a parent and judge approve it. And the religious nuts won’t let the state move to a minimum age. Because religious freedumb.
Louisiana did this awhile ago and 7 more states are considering doing the same which would bring it to 9 states total. Other states considering: Florida, Mississippi, Arkansas, West Virginia, Kansas, Virginia, and South Dakota
Even easier than that, just get a VPN. Laws like this really are the result of either technological-illiteracy, or concealed/hidden motives and it's nearly always the latter. Just spit balling, I imagine they're keenly aware that most people don't want to submit their ID to a porn site. By "trying to protect children" they're really legislating morality.
The church doesn't really have a stance on this. The members in the legislature are free to apply their own interpretations of their religion still. It's not necessarily correct.
Are they going to be pissed ten years down the road when the government starts regulating the church. All of a sudden you'll hear cries of 'separation of Church and State' from the Church itself. Count on it, it is only a question of time.
tIt's not even specifically the church; it's just fascism (yes, redundant I know). This is just the first steps to being able to identify everything you're doing online no matter what by having a specific device tied to a user for 'verification' under the guise of protecting children. Next it'll be things like specific subreddits that have 'concerning ideas' or something.
No, not from the get go, the push for theocracy isn't quite that old. That started in response to the Civil Rights Act, where a bunch of racist Democrats refused to support it and took over the Republican party with the "Southern Strategy" about 70 years ago - using the KKK's version of Protestantism to appeal to racists by speaking sideways and disguising their racism under a thin veneer of religious indignation. So they've used religion to garner support for tgheir racist agenda.
As someone who lived in Utah and worked with academics, it doesn't matter. Most of the LDS people i met were actually quite liberal in a lot of ways (for religious folks in the US, anyway). But they only voted for members of the church, who are all rabidly conservative. Without fail, every liberal-leaning LDS member i knew voted for people based on policies they didn't believe in.
im aware of that, and its not what im asking. im asking why missouri and utah apparent have unfinished business with each other. get the ability to understand a question.
There's a lot wrong with Utah. Drive through one year and it's all billboards about "In a Plural Marriage? There's help to get out of the abuse" but drive through the next year and some organization bought out all those billboards with ones celebrating Plural Marriage instead. (to those hearing this the first time, it's the whole mormon sister-wives harem thing)
welcome to today's episode of Conservatives Don't Follow The Law In Places They Have Complete Control, to be followed by They Investigated Themselves And Found They Can Keep Doing It.
This is going to sound boomer as fuck, but who the Hell would want more than 1 wife!?! (Or partner in general, goddamn, Marriage is tough work sometimes, I feel like balancing multiples would be so fucking stressful)
It's not hard if you subscribe to an oppressive patriarchal lifestyle where women(and other races - the Mormons didn't allow non-white members until they were about to be sued over it in the 70s) are beneath you and are best viewed as property.
It's only tough when you treat your wife like a person. Treat them like cattle with only the job to have sex, birth kids, take care of them, repeat, marriage becomes A LOT easier. I'm honestly more curious how they PAY for that. Like legit, I hear stories of people with like 10 kids with 1 working parents and it just boggles the mind how they have enough money for that shit.
Only a few at the top of the social hierarchy can really afford it. Church elders who use their positions to generate wealth. Either from the church directly or via the social networks they are leaders of.
Technically you don't need to pay property taxes on your house if you never finish building it, which makes housing moderately cheaper (source: lived in next town over from Colorado City for a fair bit)
AwesomeBorderCollies
Utah is the #1 state for broadband porn subscribers, per MSNBC in 2013.
jokers94534u
Is this why Imgur has said they will stop hosting NSFW content, I wonder?
hellsgunslinger
In related news, the sale of VPN subscriptions has skyrocketed in Utah. Elected officials are at a loss as to the cause
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
lol and the politician that pushed the bill in was pissed that pornhub did that. probably thought he could still watch his porn.
heartlesswench
I get that these pricks are pretending they want to protect children. For some of them, this may even be true. But don't they have anyone on their team who understands even a little bit about how this works, who could have prevented this cretinous, internet-illiterate fuckery. It's the message that matters to them. They don't care who they hurt.
MrStealUrMeme
I hate to break it to you, but incase you didn't know, state government and even U.S. government is ran by a bunch of nobodies. There is no background or knowledge qualifications to run for state assembly or even U.S House. Look at Boebert as an example. She ran a failing restaurant and got her GED on the campaign trail for U.S. House. So in Utah you have a bunch of people who won a popularity contest with like 2,000 voters making these decisions
gizmoat14
Already a thing in Louisiana...
serenityharmony
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
I don't really like the sound of being identified by my device, either.
emilytangerine8910
Keep your religion out of my pants
DNelson2
Imagine if it lasts, they might become a "Porn Galapagos Island" porno mag sales will hit there highest numbers since the 90's
fiftyfourfourtysixwasmynumber
Wait,,, there's still porn mags in print?
DNelson2
I don't think so that's what would be amazing about it. You could go into any seedy bookstore or gas station and ask for your copy of "Polygamist Monthly" or "Sexy Cousin's" (Utah is Mormon country after all)
RyvaTheRenamon
Don't forget the cult classic "A soakers guide to getting into Heaven"
Firestar002
Wonder how many Utah govt peeps are gonna have to switch to the ‘hub or YP. Unless they’ve also taken action too?
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
PornHub was the first to block Utah.
Firestar002
Yeah, but have any others also taken action? I mean I don’t think so but it’d be a good way to hammer in the seriousness. Cause there’s like 5 others I can think of off the top of my head.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Couldn't tell you but I don't think them doing this will cause Utah to take action, anyway. I defer to the old joke: How do you keep a Mormon from drinking all the beer at your party? Invite another Mormon. They're not going to be calling their local rep to complain, they're going to laud the effort to their friends and neighbors and then go install a VPN. Which they're already doing in droves.
barnwolf
I wonder how much the VPN lobbyists paid to get this law to pass. They're certainly going to be making bank in Utah now.
barnwolf
For the record that was sarcasm. I have no evidence that VPN lobbyists pushed for this law. It seems like a big stretch as well. VPN's aren't on the same scale as cattle or oil. All combined, it is about the same size as Google though.
RyvaTheRenamon
I doubt they had any fingers in the pie, but it's definitely gonna help them out. I would genuinely bet money the guys pushing these bills have no actual idea how the internet works, let alone a VPN.
TheIronPenguin
Very Pornographical Network?
PulpyOJ
Age verification for definitely isn’t the problem Utah ought to be prioritizing, but here we are. https://apnews.com/article/mormon-clergy-abuse-reporting-utah-ca56260080476c4c99cd6359bd3742f3
conklin5
I told you Pornhub loved me!
CrisprCAS
"While you can't watch us, you should have a good view of yourself getting fucked by your government"
CrazyGingerAle
Utah is a real place. hm who would of guessed
Silent1fd
Lived there my whole life, heeeeellllp meeeeeee.
CrazyGingerAle
Damn can we send in the military evacuate
paragraph
So interesting question with far reaching legal ramifications: how is this not interfering with interstate commerce?
Natastrophe01
Now here's an ad for a vpn just like if you were in China.
Willowknowsall
Utah is like why do we need porn when you have 5 wives
BoogieDoobieDown
You know what "LUL" means in Dutch language?
RawBlow
I, for one, do not. But I would like to.
racknoz
It means dick. Source: Am Dutch
theslothmonster
Cherie DeVille
SnakuPlisskin
I'm curious how this is gonna' go. Utah consumes crazy amounts of porn so there's surely a lot of people who are angry about this but to protest, they'd have to admit it, and Utah is also very hypocritical.
kilgoth1
What the fuck is "red tube"?
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Like PornHub, but called Redtube.
webx9001
Just us a VPN
JesaraB
Wait till their nearly-matching law restricting access to any form of 'social media' (defined as any site or service where you can post and people can comment or rate, which includes things like the US park service website because they have a portion for rating trails) for anyone under 13? without proof of parental consent, goes into effect next year. Utah will stop having an internet.
RetrogradeLlama
Utah: It's Ok to marry six women... it's NOT OK to look at them.
fiftyfourfourtysixwasmynumber
As long as its sanctified by the Church and the Jesus.
Hydrahawk
It's not okay to have more than one spouse in Utah. Just as an FYI.
LaffertyDanie1
Even most Mormons think the polygamists are weird
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Mormon Holdem
ExpectedDickbuttGotDickbutt
16 to get married, 18 to look at porn, what a back asswards state
jscuster
You can get married at 12 in California if a parent and judge approve it. And the religious nuts won’t let the state move to a minimum age. Because religious freedumb.
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
So wait the wingnut states actually have higher ages of consent?
jscuster
It’s state by state. No rhyme or reason to it. There’s like 14 states with no minimum age. I looked it up once and got depressed.
TheFeralDog
Louisiana did this awhile ago and 7 more states are considering doing the same which would bring it to 9 states total. Other states considering: Florida, Mississippi, Arkansas, West Virginia, Kansas, Virginia, and South Dakota
fiftyfourfourtysixwasmynumber
So basically every state run by bible-thumpers.
TheFeralDog
👍
ExpectedDickbuttGotDickbutt
It sounds like this law can be bypassed by honry 14 year olds taking a photo of their dads ID? So infringement of liberty with no actual “benefit”?
ReturnWinchester
Even easier than that, just get a VPN. Laws like this really are the result of either technological-illiteracy, or concealed/hidden motives and it's nearly always the latter. Just spit balling, I imagine they're keenly aware that most people don't want to submit their ID to a porn site. By "trying to protect children" they're really legislating morality.
LetheTheArtificer
"That ID is already in use." XD
ExpectedDickbuttGotDickbutt
🤢
Silent1fd
I was using proxies to get to websites I wasn't supposed to in 3rd grade, kids will find a way.
AmZero85
lindabelchersfirstcousin
This is what happens when you let the church take over the government.
Ihatedecidingonausername
The church doesn't really have a stance on this. The members in the legislature are free to apply their own interpretations of their religion still. It's not necessarily correct.
DeathLemons
Gtfo with that nonsense. You are clearly brainwashed saying shit like that.
kmikl
Show me on the doll where the bad people touched you.. *points at congress, SCOTUS*
Noctourn
They all rape children and make it legal? Oh wait they were already trying that
Tyaldan
Did these fucks learn nothing from the prohibition, if they cut people off people will just make porn and transgender at home in the bathtub.
Chivatha
Let?
icannotthinkofanyrationalname
Are they going to be pissed ten years down the road when the government starts regulating the church. All of a sudden you'll hear cries of 'separation of Church and State' from the Church itself. Count on it, it is only a question of time.
thomn8r
Won't happen- it will always be the theocrats running the show
icannotthinkofanyrationalname
Until it interferes with or attracts corporate interests.
Onenottaken
How is the acces controll managed by church to the young boys ?
arfysdad
They hoard the porn and keep it all for themselves?
TsubakiTragic
Ya reckon? This is but a small, and minor, example of what Theocracies are capable of and are hell bent of putting into law.
PlausibleLies
tIt's not even specifically the church; it's just fascism (yes, redundant I know). This is just the first steps to being able to identify everything you're doing online no matter what by having a specific device tied to a user for 'verification' under the guise of protecting children. Next it'll be things like specific subreddits that have 'concerning ideas' or something.
MADchemEE
Anyone have the Vimeo link to that video? I'm curious to know what it says...
Friend2582
She reads off the text shown.
MyGreatestFearBoner
What is Cherie Deville saying in the video?
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AluminumHam
👩🍳💋💥
wolfspirit21
I honestly couldn't tell who that was until you pointed it out
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
I say we start our own church; with hookers, and blackjack. And take over the govt that way
lindabelchersfirstcousin
I strongly second this motion counselor
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
We can call it, The Church of the Aborted Jesus Fetus. For extra giggles
lurkerthatoccationallywantstocomment
The church was the government from the get go
Heisanevilgenius
Then who was phone?
Rumberjack
The Nation of Deseret. State of Deseret in other circles.
RandAIFlagg
No, not from the get go, the push for theocracy isn't quite that old. That started in response to the Civil Rights Act, where a bunch of racist Democrats refused to support it and took over the Republican party with the "Southern Strategy" about 70 years ago - using the KKK's version of Protestantism to appeal to racists by speaking sideways and disguising their racism under a thin veneer of religious indignation. So they've used religion to garner support for tgheir racist agenda.
lurkerthatoccationallywantstocomment
That may be true, but I'm referring specifically to Utah and the mormons
Frederf
I was thinking of like the 7th century
RandAIFlagg
oh I totally thought you meant the US in general, yeah you're right Utah was always theocratic
alienstomper
Yeah, we kept running them out of town for a reason
OldnFatBobba
In God those bastards trust.
OldnFatBobba
Where God is defined as the tool used to manipulate and control mankind.
karumonix
Hey now, he also gives out special underwear!
DigitalWaffle
WTF is wrong with Utah? Don’t forget to VOTE.
TheBlueMuppet
Pretty sure that regardless if i vote or not, Utah is still gonna be there. They dont let us decide that one.
AHundredBillionBottles
It's a theocracy that was formed as an ultra-conservative Christian sex-cult
smileandglasses
Anytime a region seems painfully against logic and reason, assume corruption. People en masse aren't that blind as much as others are greedy
norskskogkat
As someone who lived in Utah and worked with academics, it doesn't matter. Most of the LDS people i met were actually quite liberal in a lot of ways (for religious folks in the US, anyway). But they only voted for members of the church, who are all rabidly conservative. Without fail, every liberal-leaning LDS member i knew voted for people based on policies they didn't believe in.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
Then they lied to you to get your approval. Duh.
norskskogkat
As a Millennial, I'm pretty sure I've never experienced Boomers seeking my approval.
StillNotYouTube
It's like 150% mormon. They run the whole state. It will be like this for the foreseeable future.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
Or we could finish what Missouri started.
Skywatcher16
im sorry? this NYer is unaware of a beef between missouri and utah... what happened?
Direkt4
NY is where the mormon church started, get informed.
Skywatcher16
im aware of that, and its not what im asking. im asking why missouri and utah apparent have unfinished business with each other. get the ability to understand a question.
TheMouseOfMadness
There's a lot wrong with Utah. Drive through one year and it's all billboards about "In a Plural Marriage? There's help to get out of the abuse" but drive through the next year and some organization bought out all those billboards with ones celebrating Plural Marriage instead. (to those hearing this the first time, it's the whole mormon sister-wives harem thing)
HowWasThisUsernameNotTaken
The newest weird religious billboard thing I've seen has been "Colorful Scriptures," with a fuck-huge counter stating how many they've sold.
CycloneSP
I thought utah was only allowed in the union by NOT allowing polygamy...
TheMouseOfMadness
welcome to today's episode of Conservatives Don't Follow The Law In Places They Have Complete Control, to be followed by They Investigated Themselves And Found They Can Keep Doing It.
Sonicschilidogs
This is going to sound boomer as fuck, but who the Hell would want more than 1 wife!?! (Or partner in general, goddamn, Marriage is tough work sometimes, I feel like balancing multiples would be so fucking stressful)
PithyCommentBelow
Don’t know how realistic Big Love was, but definitely didn’t seem ideal for Bill Paxton.
jiynxed
It's not hard if you subscribe to an oppressive patriarchal lifestyle where women(and other races - the Mormons didn't allow non-white members until they were about to be sued over it in the 70s) are beneath you and are best viewed as property.
mijolnirmk4
Because more wives and more kids mean a more special place in heaven for the man. Women are chattel in Mormonism.
rbudrick
People who wanna control obedient others like pets they can fuck.
MCNewYorkLives
It's only tough when you treat your wife like a person. Treat them like cattle with only the job to have sex, birth kids, take care of them, repeat, marriage becomes A LOT easier. I'm honestly more curious how they PAY for that. Like legit, I hear stories of people with like 10 kids with 1 working parents and it just boggles the mind how they have enough money for that shit.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
Only the wealthy can afford to marry, by design.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
Oh, and the church decides who is allowed to become wealthy.
Thornaxe
Only a few at the top of the social hierarchy can really afford it. Church elders who use their positions to generate wealth. Either from the church directly or via the social networks they are leaders of.
BlackCollar
First and simplest solution that comes to mind - they probably treat their kids more or less like cattle, too. Someone please, please correct me.
Millwr1ght
Technically you don't need to pay property taxes on your house if you never finish building it, which makes housing moderately cheaper (source: lived in next town over from Colorado City for a fair bit)