RealSaltLakeRioT
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Jul 3, 2022 5:47 PM
RealSaltLakeRioT
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fickfacedmcgee
You forgot to add Pie and Beer day in your tags, OP
hairbearbunch66
I'm a 3rd generation Army veteran, and I'm immigrating to another country. America is over.
Arcian
The American Dream is bullshit, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can begin fixing your cesspit of a country.
TomQJ
I just don’t like seeing it’s poisonous ideas and behaviour that’s killing it make its way into its neighboring countries
ThyWolfshark
The American Dream has been dead for years- we are just barely seeing the birth of the American Nightmare.
ThyWolfshark
At this point myself and my mother are just... doing as best as we can. We don't have the funds, family, or support to go anywhere else.
ThyWolfshark
I do plan to vote when its time though- same with my mother. With how many people moved to AZ maybe we can make it blue.
FrogBotherer
spaceystacey
My SO is 1st generation and we are considering going back to his mother's country... I feel ya, OP.
GTAlex74
The issue is if the US falls, EU will fall after it. Extremism is rising way too much for comfort here as well.
communismjokesareonlyfunnyifeveryonegetsthem
My great uncle fought in WWII. I've also known survivors of the Holocaust and their families. We are approaching 1933 at lightning speed.
RealSaltLakeRioT
History is bound to repeat itself. And Nazis are marching in Boston and other places freely.
Adoccoda
America was built on persecution. There is no dream.
kaarbaakimgr
People who are worried have not read history. The US has been in much worse circumstances.
Durl
At least you don’t have to go far now to fight Nazis.
dragoMarbleGamer
The American Dream means you get the opportunity to become rich so you can pay for things that are free in European countries.
ILikeRespondingWithWillSmithGifs
I am also a first immigrant and I have a young daughter I’d like to move out of this country with. I’m not a criminal and have trade skills.
battery1979
My grandfather fought in WWII, he'd be ashamed of his kids.
Thereminista
The American Dream is only the OPPORTUNITY. It's tenuous, and hard to grasp, but it IS there. How hard will you look for it? It will 1/?
Thereminista
2/? ...never be handed to you, and you may not recognize it if it is. The American Dream may be something won't see, but your children...
Thereminista
3/? ...might; or your grandchildren. It's the dream of being free, a dream of a homestead that sustains you, a dream of striking it rich...
Thereminista
4/? in California, the dream of each and every black person to cast off the chains of prejudice, of every woman wanting to be seen, heard...
Thereminista
5/? and respected, the dream of Native Americans to live and thrive on the lands of their ancestors. It's not just one dream. Not just a...
Thereminista
6/? ...house or job or security. It is the dream of a place where we can make those things come true. It's a place of opportunity, where...
riggeroo
Look what happened to Iran in 1979. America is next.
TwelveAngryMuffins
I'm so incredibly nervous and angry that I've rolled over into apathy
sweethome
It’s ok to take a break from news and recharge. It’s been a rough time
TwelveAngryMuffins
I mean. Being the only one in my own family who sees it. And being currently unable to move out definitely contributes.
reddenbocker
Now imagine being disabled and unable to work, watching the government that is the only way you survive at the moment fall apart. 1/?
reddenbocker
2/? Then add to that being black, with the people most likely in charge thinking you're 'the problem' when you're not doing anything.
Nunyajonesinc
You aren't alone. I'm looking for the door.
totallymistersteve
Dissenting opinion: America works by Crisis->Response. We're usually chill...until something big blows our chill. Then we rise up & fix it.
totallymistersteve
(2) From what I'm seeing, we Americans have just about had all we're going to take on a range of issues. Win the mid-terms, then 2024!
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
American dream, they say... I guess gaslighting induced hallucinations count as dreams, yeah.
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
Don't you forget about the american exceptionalism, though. Remember! It's not wrong, if we do it.
trippingthelightfantastic
lifeisadadjoke
Always takes me a second. In Canada, blue is right wing, and red is left wing. Orange is the far left. Green are the carbon zero folks.
RedWingedBlackbirds
Please everyone vote them out - local, state, all elections - especially in the midterms. https://www.vote.org/am-i-registered-to-vote/
GonnaGitChuSucka
Yeah… cuz one-party rule has always worked out so well in the past. Vote on ideas, not political parties!
putcleverusernamehere
Missing the point. Zero chance of an independent winning so independent votes just help the Republikkkans. Just the way the system works
putcleverusernamehere
Hopefully it will be changed at some point to plurality wins and coalition parties, but for now independent votes are wasted votes
lifeisadadjoke
Minority govts (in true democracies) should be like this, instead, usually very little gets done.
syrane303
When dealing with a death cult this is the only way for now
GonnaGitChuSucka
Yep, and extremist hyperbole is always helpful too!
megodk
and the current idea is "If the GQP gets too many seats US democracy is OVER". At this point the "left" HAS to choose the lesser evil
bolobass
Again? Is always the same shit. "we can't vote better because Worse will win!" It's time to give actual progressive parties a chance.
Froggie243
And you'll never get to progressive if you don't play in the system we have in 2022/2024.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
We need a better voting system. The one we have is seriously rigged against the people.
sweethome
I’ve read ranked choice voting would help!
HisDudness
Which party would you suggest? Because one is so insanely regressive that it makes the other look like massively progressives.
GonnaGitChuSucka
Seems like you missed the entire point of my concluding sentence.
megodk
Not feasible with your current voting system. By all means vote progressive democrats but give the Reps enough power and they'll destroy all
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
Yeah, would be nice to see. But your election system isn't build to support new, or even multiple parties. It's build to maintain status quo
aflarge
Ah well then by all means do exactly the same shit forever and wonder why nothing gets better.
bolobass
*their. But agree
TrixNStix
There is no more time for complacency. We need to push back to regain our Constitutional & Civil Rights. Safeguard yourself and good luck!!!
Raventhief
Pretty sure the American dream has been dead for at least thirty years.
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
Ever since the state realized it could vote itself a raise, and steal the needed money from us.
RealSaltLakeRioT
I think we're just now starting to realize that it's dead. Myself included.
Anythingfor
AceMonk
Pretty sure the "american dream" has always been propaganda, ask the natives.
mirrorz
Reaganomics put the first few nails in the coffin.
buttcreambandit
Nah. It was Nixon when he went and opened trade with Russia and China but not in just agreeing to trade them some food way but intentionally designing it to ship all our manufacturing there. Reagan basically put the last nails in the coffin
litelbrown
The Great Gatsby was written 100 years ago and it was about the American dream being dead.
chormin
Nah, Dusty Rhodes was still around in 2015.
nrek00
Fairness Doctrine started it, Gingrich pushed it, Trump was the first draft result. What's next is going to be truly terrible for The People
BleedingQuasar
This.
JohnVessenmeyer
Since Reagan baby!
SuperfluousMeh
That's about when I decided that having children was cruel in my situation.
entercleverusernamehereplease
I dunno. I'm living it. My kids won't, though.
drduffer
2001 and the Homeland Security Act. That’s when it suddenly became ok to trample the inherent rights of others and eliminate Habeas Corpus.
Feralkyn
I think the "American dream is dead" had its nail in the coffin about the time the FBI deliberately suppressed the civil rights movement &
Feralkyn
the CIA was planning to bomb American cities to gain support for war with Cuba.
Feralkyn
Waaaaay longer than that
Archeron
The idea that you can have the mobility to go from poor to a good quality of life? That definitely still exists.
GriffithCantelope
Pretty sure the American dream was a Capitalist ideology that never existed in reality
daychilde
The American Dream was always rich white men. Always.
badairdayyay
Well, it’s a nice trick to tell ppl they can get rich if they only do as they’re told.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Don't do as you're told. Do as no one has done before. Innovative.
krugle
The dream is still there, everyone has a dream. The reality of situation is far from it though.
PicassoCT
Died even before the cold war ended. The moment they new communism would not win, all the reforms were reversed.
PicassoCT
So its classwarfare from the top down, since 1972. America died on the moon.
PicassoCT
https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/15558/productivity-vs-real-earnings-in-the-us-what-happened-ca-1974
Feralkyn
60s imo. FBI cracked down on the civil rights movement. "War on drugs" was then set up, popularized in the 70s. US gov't was happily
Feralkyn
planning to bomb a US city or civilian airline plane as a false flag to attack Cuba. Etc.
Feralkyn
The US was always a shithead on the international stage (taking over democratic nations over fruit trade, sending in our army over literal
Feralkyn
coca-cola) but domestically, that's when it went off the rails imo.
DaMummy
Coincidentally, when corporate money was made legal in government.
Algebraicrhombus
The dream came true.
QuickINeedAName
This is why we need necromancy to make a return
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Same here @op. My grandfather was a submarine captain and had a hand in sinking 26 Nazi ships (according to stories he would tell)
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Though I'm sure today his own dated views would be labeled "Nazi". We're constantly growing and evolving. It's a good thing.
wnatch
We’re talking about the death of democracy and you’re all “my racist grandfather was a hero actually”.
RealSaltLakeRioT
That's awesome! My grandfather earned the distinguished flying cross for his heroism landing his B-17 on only one engine.
GuestChrist
Negativity has gotten to the point that even when someone says something positive someone else will be sure to say how wrong they are.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
How wrong they are.
ChallengerDeep
https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+good+things+america+has+done
GuestChrist
There surely is much to despair over in these times. But recognizing our troubles and belief in a positive future are not mutually exclusive
sweethome
I love Imgur but we are very cynical.
GuestChrist
Always have been, in my experience. But lately there just seems to be an element looking to piss on and sneer at any positive thought.
encrypteddecryption
The problems are real, but the propagandists are equating the problem with the rise of the Nazis, and passing off specukative doomsday hypo-
encrypteddecryption
² theticals as pragmatic doctrine. The US political system is definitely regressing to a 1950s posture, but there was no civil war at that
encrypteddecryption
³ time. Not much equality, either, but not the state of war the propagandists are promoting. If any, the propagandists are promoting war in
encrypteddecryption
⁴ lieu of regressions or retreating on civil rights gain. Burn it all down, they cheer, instead of get organized and build it back up. Sad.
encrypteddecryption
Unironically, the very next post and comments makes my point. There is a radical movement that wants to see America destroyed at any costs.
NPaine
Come to Germany, we have Helles! …and no cares who you are shagging, what you do with your body and kids rarely get massacred at schools
Leithoa
Ich habe Deustchland betrachten. Aber was machts Russland nach Amerika zusammenbrechen.?
Leithoa
Apologies to the German language.
NotTheFedsForSure
Sad the last part is a selling point
LiveEnDie
Even more sad is "rarely get massacred".
nowgocatgo
My ancestors came to the US from Germany for a better life and I’m contemplating going to Germany for a better life if this shit keeps up.
flametrek
Literally been trying to make it to Germany, unfortunately my family doesn't get enough "points" to qualify more than travel visa
Quizz25S
I'm starting to feel like America is where Germany was in the 1920s and 30s
CatWithHands
I've considered it. I'm 50, working in IT, and probably too old for them to want me there. :)
Micah1966
There's always loads of jobs in IT. Certainly worth looking into. Def check out the Netherlands. English is np here.
mushuporky
Rarely?
CeterumCenseo
I see your Helles and raise you a Kellerbier!
Ark161
Would love to, but my German is basic and I do not have a degree because America is expensive.
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
It's actually easier for me to get HRT in parts of the US than it is in any part of Germany. UK is worse.
ChaoticGoodTransGirl
Like they'll probably round us up soon but it sucks that so many places i night want to go to be safe are all filled with shitty TERFS
sisuandserenity
God I hate that you're going through that. I'm in the US too, but how fucked up is it you can get HRT and be hated on by the reds at the 1/2
sisuandserenity
2/2 same time. If you haven't heard I love you, well this internet stranger loves you and sends hugs.
RevolutionOnHerLips
She's right you know
RealSaltLakeRioT
I've heard good things from expats living in Germany!
NPaine
Tis OK - has issues but you are open to follow your Dream and even fulfill it…
cptjellyjiggeler
...if you get the right application form
Feralkyn
Lmao honestly I live here and yes, paperwork is their JAM
tnteacups
Ive been slowly working on moving there, and this comment hurts.
WristDeepInaBook
how do i emigrate to this deutschland?
NPaine
I came for my studies.But if you can find a job the employer is usually willing to go the hassle of getting you a permit.
Feralkyn
Step 1: find work there.
WristDeepInaBook
:( I'm an untalented ham
Feralkyn
Mood
SpeedyCerviche
If you want the American dream, America is the wrong place to find it. Did you consider a Scandinavian country or perhaps Canada?
PlumbingPredator
Canada is slowly turning into the USA
SpeedyCerviche
The whole western world is sadly. Australia gets worse most years
Leithoa
If the US implodes the whole world will be affected.
JohnVessenmeyer
Big time.
SlightlySlighted1337
Canada is having some major issues right now just fyi. A lot of dysfunction in multiple critical sectors and little faith in reps.
jzastrow
Scandinavian countries only want Scandinavians in them
Thephedora
As if either would take us.
Debadguy
Sadly, if/when USA turns openly fascist, the world will follow. It's hard to say no to the country with the strongest military.
omgcurlyfrys8
Ahhh no. We would laugh, then cry, both at the absurdity of a nation turning itself into a 3rd world country
splooshforArcher
Canada isn't better with the Liberals making it impossible to afford to live here
binnybuns
Vote NDP for gods sake!!! Everyone wants blame the libs, then opts for PC. It’s not working!!
binnybuns
If you complain about the libs, then vote conservative, you don’t really understand our problems and are as bad as an American.
RenegadeRed
Im learning swedish and finnish right now.
zerdorus
swedish is ok, finnish impossible..
INamedMyDogSolo
If you learn Swedish, you can probably understand and learn Norwegian and Danish easily, as the three languages are very similar
RenegadeRed
Im having an easier time with finnish tbh
ilovebigmutts
America turns to shit, we're next. That 8891km border doesn't really exist. So find another place, just delaying the inevitable.
Blackfinity
It's already happening. Our right wing has caught the Trump/GOP contagion and gunplay is much more common now than 30 years ago.
Zreen
It's about regrouping until a solid alliance can stem the tide, it'll take a while
ilovebigmutts
There's no space for all in -30c.
lifeisadadjoke
Immigrating to Canada isn't easy for most. If you're not a professional in need, or marrying a Canadian, only true refugees get exemplt.
JahSureYouBetcha
I have a friend who spent five years to get approval to move to Canada. They had to be quarantined, without their cats, for two weeks.
JahSureYouBetcha
And then the person they spent all their time and energy on dumped them while in quarantine, while looking after all their possessions.
anicyril
Yep. I'm disabled by migraines and can't work even office jobs, and moving anywhere even halfway decent is basically impossible
bandanasforscale
The people I know who have immigrated go Canada have come here on work visas (I believe you have to be under 25) and then made friends/met
SpiceSlag
It's under 35 an I just applied from Ireland. Took a while but I'm in now for 2 years at least. Gonna work hard to try and extend that
bandanasforscale
spouse and been sponsored by someone here until they could get residency.
RealSaltLakeRioT
I'm actively looking into Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Portugal.
Richter12x2
Make sure you look at the rules change for the Portugal Golden Visa. I was considering it until they doubled the fee.
IShouldProbablyReadMore
Ireland has some great features too. Also there are towns in different countries in Europe and Japan, that will give you a free house if you
IShouldProbablyReadMore
move there. They have shrinking populations and this is their way of attacking people and keeping their towns alive.
WuProgress
As a Canadian, Canada is too close to USA, I would suggest go NZ.
Puppetmeatpudding
As a NZer. We are no paradise. The sort of problems in America's system are being exported all over. It needs to be fought everywhere.
SuperfluousMeh
Personally I'm working on my French. That gives me several options. The only problem is, I've no one to help me w/ the quebecois accent.
grumpygirlishere
I can help with that! I’m a Montrealer!
SuperfluousMeh
Well tabarnak, nice to meetch ya!! ?
grumpygirlishere
Si tu viens par icitte on pourra jaser en joual.
Nyxi88
As an Aussie, it’s decent here. No country is perfect but it’s safe, pays well, and has free healthcare. Plus the weather in QLD is great
SpeedyCerviche
Australias not bad. It has 4 out of the top 10 most livable cities in the world for 2022. And Australia only has 8 capital cities.
TurdHurdler
How hard is it to get a work visa, though?
SpeedyCerviche
I have friends who moved here from the states but I don't know off hand. I was born here so never looked into it.
finnwin
We could adopt you to Finland?
GenesisNynja
Me too me too
RealSaltLakeRioT
Finland is a great place! We're getting passports and will be traveling over the next couple years to various places to check out.
Salpinus
Finland is great, but be prepared for a nightmare of a language ? Oh, and as for any/every native English speaker - never ever lean back on
Salpinus
everyone understanding what you say. There's kind of a golden window while people learn a new language, and that close when you can lean on
Themenacingfew
I would like this. do you need any lighting designers?
Feralkyn
Finland needs more light more than literally anything. Everyone I've ever met from Finland is depressed and it's usually seasonal. Too dark.
Feralkyn
You could probably make a small fortune designing natural light lamps there lol
finnwin
Were they depressed before or only after meeting you? ?