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Link: https://www.autoblog.com/news/tesla-odometer-warranty-lawsuit
TLDR: Tesla doesnt use what everyone, everywhere in the world considers an odometer. Their cars basically make up the mileage depending on how it feels. Oh yah, it's 117% higher than what you actually drive. Your warranty of course expires waaaaay before it actually would. This saves Tesla a ton of money because their cars are absolute junk, and allows them to sell overpriced extended warranties that also expire before they should. A class action suit has been filed in the US (it has merit), and if it sets off a global chain reaction, it could destroy Tesla.
I love the idea of EVs, they're the future, but I wouldn't take a Tesla if you gave it to me. I'd love to see the company shutter.
CrispyNougat
The future isn't EVs. The future is fewer vehicles and walkable cities.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
oh well. Deal with the eLoon, get the spoon.
therealikstemtegen
12% more range with one charge!
Some people bought it because of that.
More devaluation since more mileage that it really did. Some use it is a Taxi.. so everyone is screwed accept Tessla.
sowhat4
"Silicon Valley's"? How about "Tesla's Dieselgate" with their Swasticars and W@nkpanzer 'trucks' ?
RadioactiveNerfDart
It would be so fantastic to see Tesla shit the bed over this.
TheZommie
They couldn't get a picture from inside a tesla, so they had to ask a robot to do it?
Corrodias
The problems with this approach are real, and it should be grossly illegal, but I do want to caution us against taking the specific number of 117% too seriously. It's only an estimate, based on the plaintiff's past driving habits and a vague estimate of daily distance driven.
bigby4sheriff
I live in a condo neighborhood. I believe all residents have a two bedroom single bathroom single floor. One dude on my block has three teslas and they never move. There’s gotta be some shady shit going on there
TheNihilistsParadoxicalWashingMachine
Taking Elon to court ? In the US ? And the expectation is what ? I don't think that works like that anymore.
HeadTurdL
I feel sorry for all the people who bought Teslas before Musk's fall. We all thought they were going a good thing.
wandermanspacebot
They were.
TheFastpaws
Musk bought the president though so nothing will happen.
SixSixxtySix
The PR damage to the brand isn't something Trunp can stop.
ToSisPoS
It’s a pity that doge destroyed any regulatory oversight
Mortbise
If someone gave me a swasticar, I'd slap them with it.
MentalUproar
Tesla is hardly the entirety of the EV industry. We don’t need them anymore. Kill them off already.
djarcas
...that's quite the AI slop in that picture.
theskirrid
Hey, Autoblog...
wadatahmydamie
It just makes everything it touches look like a boomer’s Facebook page
CookieMonstersCrumbs
theskirrid
Made with deathgenerator.com by the way
OneUniverse
Whatever happened when they claimed that self driving was always logged as being turned off 1 minute before a deadly crash?
StrandedonEarth
Because it did; the system recognized a situation that it couldn’t handle and passed control back to the driver. But the driver wasn’t paying attention and couldn’t react fast enough, if at all. That’s why I think any self-driving that requires monitoring is stupid, because nobody can pay attention for long periods when not actually actively engaged in the process
doctorbocker
I remember Dieselgate! Completely ruined Volkswagen ..okay temporarily inconvenienced Volkswagen. Damn Nazi car companies.
Marsupialmessiah
Why does an electric car with a direct drive have a tach? Those electric engines can rev up to 11k rpm and more, plus it had no gears to shift...
ImKindaDone
I'll buy an EV when I can charge it in the same time it takes me to fill my gast tank.
GoodMorro
Fuc Tesla
Timesarrows
i've driven behind two diff tesla where the left taillight is 5 times brighter than right. it's an obvious electrical problem.
angusd
Are only Teslas in the USA affected or worldwide? I can't imagine the authorities in the EU would allow shenanigans like that.
Timesarrows
i posted the day i heard about BREXIT 'the US and corporations absolutely hate the EU because it protects it's citizens, EU prosecutes corporations. BREXIT is a US operation to break the EU". i was hearing so much pro BREXIT media in USA on gop/neocon media. then we get trump dissolving NATO, helping russia to take over countries (military, econ, politically)
ImKindaDone
Cars and vibrators should run on different power sources.
Mahcks
Can't say I'm thrilled at the idea of journalists using AI images in news articles.
Rendova
When your this that and the other thing won't "whack-a-doodle" your way into the curd business.
miklkit
Of course Swasticars are committing fraud. They have been for a decade.
sobeman
Well considering Musk has his pet monkey Trump, I'm sure something will come of this.
sowhat4
Alternate truths? Alternate mileage? NBD! We don't need any of those 'woke' facts.
topscienceb
Isnt this just fraud?
clonedeeznuts
Depends on how much money you have
gayvillian
Yes. From a legal point of view, I'm not sure. But yes.
Marsupialmessiah
Yes it is fraud. Its the same as rolling back the analog mechanical odometers from back in the late 1900s
TheSilverSeraph
Isn't calling something that is nowhere near full self driving "Full Self Driving" fraud?
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
It really is. Securities and wire fraud to be precise. Apparently the act of lying to investors in order to manipulate the market and stock price falls under this charge. Tesla and musk were under investigation by the DoJ and SEC and if it hadn't been for trump's election win musk might have personally faced charges. That's why he jumped like a dipshit for trump and spent close to $280 million on his campaign (among other legal and regulatory troubles)
gayvillian
This is all public knowledge and should have cratered tesla stock. It also came out that they massively lied about sales figures to increase market cap and get musk his bonus. Public knowledge. No idea at all why people wouldn't pull their money out the second they found out about this stuff. Tesla stock should realistically be junk status.
blubberingbastard
No, when corporations do it, it's called an accident, and those responsible are given a promotion. For individuals it's fraud and are sentenced 10 to 20 years in county.
ThailandExpress
No, Elon’s rich and white
SlippeyPetey2000
I think it's incredible that every response to this reply adds another layer of truth.
GOAE
If they were doing it, yes. I looked up various articles about this, only a couple mention the actual patent # (8054038-B2), most conveniently say there's a patent but not which one. And the patent is all about determining the amount of charge needed to go a certain route, it's not at all related to odometer. It's for optimizing charging. And the patent is from 2011, not 2023. So I think this article is just AI bullshit. There's plenty of valid criticism for Tesla, but not sure about this one.
GOAE
Now they may be doing it and it may not involve a patent at all. But no article seems to give anything concrete at all, just speculation and seemingly poor research.
Hekatombe
"Tesla’s system calculates distance using energy consumption and driving patterns rather than physical rotation, ... "
Hexidimentional
it has gps and the gps is active the entire time the car is driving anywhere, why not just track milage with that?
Hukkie
So a far less reliable and accurate system in every way.
Hekatombe
And I do not understand why. They need the wheel speed sensor anyway to calculate the speed and for the ABS system. So why not use the data when it is there.
Hukkie
Possibly they use an inferior system because they know it will calculate it wrong and thus voiding warranty, making them have to fix less for free and incentivising people to pay for extended warranty.... since both these things earn them more money.
Pretty sure Elon thinks fraud is great as long as it makes him money, and after sticking his head so far up DTs ass he probably figures he is untouchable.
gayvillian
Basically this, yeah. They've been weaseling out of warranty claims for years. I read about a guy who had his suspension collapse after like 40 miles and tesla said it was his fault and wanted $14,000 to fix it. Warranty denied.
MapleSyrupMafia
Most manufacturers are reading slightly higher than reality. Toyota is usually 2 km/h (1.2 mph) above, but at least it's not based on "fictionnal" bullshit. If I squint really hard, I could probably tell by looking at my dashcam screen made for ants and see odometer VS GPS, but speed display radars says 48 when I'm going 50, so good enough.
ChloeRed
The speedo over reads, but that doesn't mean the sensors are wrong, on my jag you could bring up a diag screen and it would tell you 1/
ChloeRed
what it was reading off the wheels sensors, which was 3mph lower then it then moved the needle on the speedo to. 2/2
anteyeclimbaxe
The speedometer reading high doesn't mean the odometer will overcount your miles. Usually cars keep count of how many times something has completed a rotation to determine mileage, while speed looks at the times between those counts.
They both use the same assumptions for what distance is covered by one rotation and can both be off if those change, But the speedometer can be independently tweaked based on timing alone.
If you can accurately get one, there's no reason you can't get the other.
corndude101
We aren’t talking about the speedometer here though… we’re talking about the odometer. The one that reads the total mileage/kilometers the vehicle has traveled.
MapleSyrupMafia
If both the speedometer and the odometer gets their infos from the same sensor... it doesn't really matter if you're talking in km/h or distance. It just means that for an hour of driving, there's an additional 2 km on the odometer because it's reading 2 over the actual speed.
taurol
The speed which you see on the cluster has some portion added on top of the actual speed. Both values are around on the vehicle interface. Reason: the other electric stuff needs accurate speed, but that could be sometimes slightly lower than actual one. However the speed in the display must never ever be smaller. Otherwise a driver could blame speeding violations on them.
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
That's not an inherent flaw of cars, that's that specific car not being properly informed of its tire size. Even a slight change in tire size will throw off the rotation significantly at higher speeds, by 70 on the dash you can be off by 5-10 in either direction with just a 2" tire difference. Width doesn't matter, sidewall height and overall exterior diametre do matter. The computer needs to be reprogrammed for the tire size so it needs a decent quality shop, not Bob's tires and lube.
taurol
Modern cars can auto calibrate the wheel circumference value by using the number of rotations on a longer distance and the GPS as reference to count the "exact" distance. The error in GPS position does not have a bif impact in case a long enough distance is used for the calibration
MapleSyrupMafia
That's on factory sized tires, they read slightly higher fresh from the assembly line. There's an acceptable percentage for variations between the actual speed and the display. Apparently 2% higher on stock new tires is a bit suspicious according to the Society of Automotive Engineers. Higher than that you're getting into nefarious territory.
vizeroy42
Nah... depending on country, the tolerance is up to +10%, but with 0 downward tolerance. Considering manufacturing tolerances for both mechanical parts and electronic components, the car manufacturers always tended to display higher speed values. This behaviour is as old as regulation for this.
Hekatombe
The rules regarding the speed gauge in motor vehicles are something like: the speed on the speedometer is not allowed to show a speed slower than the actual speed traveling under any circumstances. But it is allowed to show too much by a certain tolerance (I do not recall the tolerance)
With that being said it is not clear to me if a faster speed shown (and factored in during design) will result in the odometer being off by the same amount.
djarcas
10% in the Uk.
vizeroy42
The odometer will be correct to the allowed tolerances of the sensors - which is different to the allowed tolerance to the displayed speed.
Also: The odometer and speed reading is dependent on the tire circumfence
gayvillian
Which is why putting not stock wheels on your car can theoretically throw off the odometer.
Z0op
Afaik, that tolerance is somewhere around 5%
Hekatombe