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icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
Terfs aren’t feminists. They’re trash.
OhIfIMust
Syovere
Another asinine claim some of them like to make is that being trans is actually just reinforcing the gender binary.
Last time I had that happen, I pointed out that nothing about my behavior or interests are traditionally feminine, nor my clothes, and I don't use makeup. I also made sure to remind the asshole that me knowing about gendered expectations does not mean I believe in them.
Weirdly, the dipshit never responded~
CaptainHyperbole
It’s wild that some people care enough about how other people live their lives that they go out of their way to make the lives of complete strangers worse/ or straight up threatened because they (the bigots) just don’t like it. These people are so up their own ass that they completely believe they have the right to micromanage other peoples lives. Who cares what other people wear, if it doesn’t harm anyone then just shut the fuck up.
Spanky44
Nobody seems to be able to just focus on their own shit and let other people be happy. Dresses don't hurt anyone or affect you at all. There shouldn't even be a discussion.
IgnisInvictus
... I might have just bruised my forehead with a facepalm.
fractalsphere
Is that person advocating for women to never wear pants? Any woman in a pantssuit is now in drag, apparently
RevolutionOnHerLips
I grew up in evangelical christianity, I went to a pentecostal church for a while as part of that, and there were a lot of women who actually did advocate for women to never wear pants. Over 20 years ago now, but I bet those people still exist somewhere and I bet I know who they voted for.
duktayp
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angelicwhiskers
Trans lives are human lives! Trans lives matter! Radfemes are subhuman. Also, ew to the way she used the word, "womanhood".
JackalopeElope
Herperchick
Born with two vaginas, if you are in need of a vagina you can claim my extra as your own. You can't use it, but you can rent it in name only.
DocTanner
There's an "Established Titles" joke here somewhere, but I can't quite find it.
Bobothehobomcjojo
Now I'm just imagining a 'name your star' situation and it got a chuckle out of me
doctorId
TERFs drank the patriarchy kool-aid. They're the ultimate pick mes.
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Dear men, dress as you want. (I confess it's in pure self-interest as I think guys wearing skirts and dresses are hot!) Don't let toxic masculinity and TERFs ruin your fun!
IHateApostrophes
The original post isn't targeted at men in dresses, it's transphobically referring to actual women
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Thought she's against drag cause as you say transwomen ARE women? ~.~
IHateApostrophes
Cis men in drag aren't typically getting surgeries in the way that OP suggested
Lugh314159
….so what if I’m a cisgender man who just likes wearing dresses? Where does that fall on your scale of crimes against fashion and womanhood?
BrigidtheMechLady
I've started using Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobe. The acronym seemed more appropriate.
stronomer
TERFs simply aren't Fs.
Oblok
/gallery/OlhMDlY
WhattaMattahYou
no difference from an incel - to both kinds of people, women are nothing more than sex organs that can make babies and breakfast
It's SISterhood, not CISterhood - y'all are my sisters, my daughters, my nieces
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
I love that.
SleepyHollowAppleTree
Badwolf09
HaveNotOf
Suzy Izzard? So they were women's clothes all along. Or at least woman's clothes.
blaghart
She's genderfluid iirc
grandfalloon
Yeah this quote went pretty flippy-floppy, didn't it?
itsjustplaid
Internalized misogyny is one hell of a drug.
mrsdowneyjr
Dear men in dresses: enjoy
SquirrelWithATophat
This reminds me of all those closeted racists who try misusing terms like "cultural appropriation" to spread their racist ideals by trying to shame other white people into not learning about or interacting with non-white cultures under the pretense that it's "appropriation" if you do things like wear clothes/hairstyles from or learn the language of a non-white culture. 1/2
ropetopus
Participating in something isn’t appropriating it. Exactly. Appropriation requires harm to the source (like wearing ceremonial gear as a Halloween costume while your culture is oppressing indigenous peoples who are trying to keep that practice alive).
SquirrelWithATophat
Unfortunately there are a TON of extremely toxic people out there that frequently covertly co-opt progressive terminology and movements to further their own hateful agendas. And because of how human psychology works, not many of the good people in those movements will say anything about it, because doing so would make it look like they are attacking the movement as a whole due to the manner in which it is being co-opted.
SquirrelWithATophat
Here's an example of one. I saw a social media post where a girl was showing pics of her wearing a kimono she got from Japan. Some lady then started telling her she was being racist by engaging in cultural appropriation by wearing clothes from a culture not her own. Then a Japanese woman joined the talk and said it wasn't appropriation and that the Japanese actually like it when foreigners partake in their culture like that. 2/2
RevolutionOnHerLips
I watched a video of a white woman walking through some city in Japan in a kimono and she received a lot of compliments and several women stopped to help adjust it a little for her. It was really wholesome to watch.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Back when tumblr was fun and you could play "idiot or nazi"
GanondorfLink
Tumblr is still fun, and you can probably still play that.
SquirrelWithATophat
I remember seeing one Tumblr page belonging to one of those people that believes they're an animal trapped in human's body. They caught a bunch of flak after they tossed out their mother or grandmother's essential meds because they weren't "all natural" and they ended up in the hospital in serious condition. The Tumblr user thought they were the real victim and that it was wrong of everyone to get mad at them for almost killing their family member over something so stupid.
TattoosAndTENS
"What is a woman?"
"It's WHO. WHO is a woman. Women aren't things."
vcgetdown
This is really dumb, though. Asking what is a 'concept' is the proper way to ask about a concept. Asking who is a woman is a completely and unrelated question.
vcgetdown
"what is a doctor?" "It's WHO is a doctor - they are people not things."
TattoosAndTENS
Get fucked :)
MeekrabJones
Since men wearing dresses is "appropriation of womanhood," I'm sure she's never DARED to appropriate manhood by wearing pants, right? Right?
datphone777365
Accountability in this age?! Mnah.
KommanderKayriel
Or a man's coat or shirt. Or, dear god, leaving the kitchen?! And if she considers them men, who is she to talk back to them?! It's almost like enforcing these roles is asinine and unfair!
Futchm
Romans despised the Bretons so much because their men wore pants, just like women.
Unless your genitals operate something, it is not gender specific
3andAHalfLivesAgo
Once a day my genitals are allowed to operate the meat suit and I don’t always condone the decisions made but that’s the deal twas struck.
johnxbear
That's why I keep getting fired during forklift training
SomeGeek75ygh
Why, how else are you supposed to lift your fork up? And is there a reason why I don't get asked back to formal dinners now that I think about it?
KR1570F
honestly, if you can operate a forklift with your genitals I think you've found what your onlyfans gimmick should be
NZSheeps
Operate? I have to use a forklift to life mine
RayneOfSalt
Shouldn't have gotten that 3Ton prince albert in your nub then.
NZSheeps
But the chicks love it ... from a distance
Ktet709
Pink for a long time was considered to be a more masculine colour than blue. Wasn't until around the mid 90s ish that it started to go the other way.
Personally, I just want a shirt to wear, I don't care what colour it is.
BasinStreetDesign
Boomer here. During 1965-1975 the most badass shirt colour for men was pink. And the pinker the better.
CaptainHyperbole
The 1990’s?
SomeGeek75ygh
The 's never makes anything plural. 1990s*
TiredSnowball
More like around 1890-ish
CaptainHyperbole
Yeah, kind of what I was thinking. At least in the west.
Taxicat
I thought it was closer to the 1950s and largely due to Nazi Germany using a pink triangle to identify gay male prisoners…and those prisoners being left in prison after everyone else was liberated.
Ktet709
My bad, meant to say mid 1900s
livurz
Ok, I'm not a transsexual, I'm a transvestite. There is a difference. I have no sexual desires or body dismorphia based around what im wearing. I just like to feel sexy every now and then.
BoogerPicnic
Everyone should wear whatever makes them feel like a hottie ❤️
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
For the sake of others, it's important to note that "gender euphoria" is also a thing. Don't need to be dysphoric to be trans gender, can also be euphoric.
(For the sake of you, "I like to feel sexy every now and then" sounds like euphoria to me, but you ride your own bike how you like, this is primarily for others who are unaware)
IHateApostrophes
Body dysmorphia isn't the same as gender dysphoria. They're opposite, though not mutually exclusive. People with body dysmorphia experience distress when their body image contradicts reality (e.g. a super skinny person who feels he's overweight,). Gender dysphoria involves distress with someone's body image being entirely consistent with reality (e.g. seeing masculine features in your face in the mirror when those masculine features actually do exist).
ConfederacyOfDunces
Unless you're from Transylvania then you're probably not Frankenfurter.
TiredSnowball
And everyone should be able to wear whatever they want. Fashion is all imaginary set of rules anyway.
KR1570F
livurz
Yeah, something like that.
TyrannusEquus
Not body believed it was my first RHPS when I went as Frank. It wasn't that I was sexy, Like Curry. But apparently I bring a "mangler" energy that keeps bigots quiet. I even shaved my legs before realizing that Curry did not do that for the picture.
BasinStreetDesign
Damn, Tim Curry was good in heels.
woozle
Vagina in a Dress is a good punk rock band name
noDxforthewicked
May I introduce Dress Vagina ?
NarratesTheDarkerStory
Mansplain Feminism would be a good album/song title.
newsguycraigevans
I saw Vagina in a Dress open up for Siouxsie Sioux and the Banshees back in '85.
Harryteeters
pizzapartyhard
Femdom with a strap-on
StoicHoneyBadger
Another good name for a band. I called dibs on this one.
pizzapartyhard
Take it, it’s yours
OhIfIMust
Sereh
Cock in a Frock?
Heketon
“That's just what this country needs: a cock in a frock on a rock.” — The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert
Sereh
You had my curiosity but now you have my intention. Next film to watch.
Fanner50
Dick in a Dress is a better alliteration
TheRedBaron8
I used to play drums for Vagina In A Dress.
Ababybunny
As a man with a dress, a nice blue one with white flowers, idgaf what people think about my pretty blue dress with the little flowers
Forensickle
But it needs to be a bunch of amab peeps, who don't wear dresses... And when anyone asks they just say "vaginas can't wear dresses, why would we be the vagina in a dress?"
Chemicalbondage
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SlippeyPetey2000
I want to see the follow up act. No Dress. That's hard core punk
seakoos
My wife and I are both feminists. But because I'm a man, I'm just a little bit better at it than she is. S/
rudejohn
Why am I a male feminist? https://youtube.com/shorts/air04djulyE?si=Sr-MByfjy8Ej33-n
DrMoneybeard
My dad was a feminist. Not mom though. Dad wouldn't have allowed it.
Shmick
Love Brett
ryokomagus9
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kikisdeliveryservice
That is the natural order of things.
CaptainHyperbole
You forgot the s/
Church14
My fiancé and I are combining accounts and plans like our phones. Usually we just use mine. Which means until I fix each account so we are both in control, she keeps getting told she can’t do something without me and she keeps getting pissssssssed.
MrRandom314159
Don't worry, men only gain sex and female attention wheras women gain actual rights. With the difference in mind, of COURSE men are better.
MrRandom314159
Really goddamn hoping I don't need an /s for above, but it's so goddamn innane, I just gotta be safe.
Strategicgnomer
S/? NOW the sarcasm starts?! https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cnpuaTY5Z3hrZDVkY21mdmlja2dpbG9xaG9ob2s4cTVsOXE0ZGQ0MyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/4NnTap3gOhhlik1YEw/200w.webp
SpeakerToLampposts
mksu
TERFs aren't real feminists. Like, yeah, maybe there was some more philosophically oriented TERF school of thought back in the 80s or whatever, but the people we're calling TERFs now are just fascists appropriating the feminist label to hurt feminism and trans people.
luna3aoife
Its just a rebranded way to control women. True feminists fight for you to wear whatever you want, not institute new rules to match their ideology or interests. Had a faux feminist trying to tell me we should all wear crop tops and said they wanted to rip off head scarves and any other religious modesty garb. Theyre not helping just insisting their style is the right style, thats not liberation from sexism.
Ronelyn
I prefer Feminism-appropriating Reactionary Transphobes
DoseOfScience
It's important to remember that there's always people whose objection to abuse is being the target, not its occurrence in general.
frodomeg
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
TERFs are basically just doing the same old "in-group to be protected, out-group to be hated and feared" routine, just with different words.
Rhythmaster
Its NERF or nothin
WhattaMattahYou
I went to a women's college in the '80s and being a TERF wasn't okay then either
just like the racism that infiltrates everything wasn't okay then and isn't okay now
what's funny is TERFS and Incels have a similar world view. A "real woman" is identified by being fertile and "looking womanly"
mksu
I'm not really up on the history of feminist thought or the understanding of transgender people, so I was basically just leaving room for the possibility that they reasonably didn't know better more than signing off on transphobia.
WhattaMattahYou
I can't speak to Transgender folks, I'm entirely Cis. But as an older woman, Feminism has undergone a whole lot of change and that's just from what I know.
It's moving to more inclusionary as opposed to its beginnings (wealthy or middle class white women) but we're not there yet. It's a process.
ropetopus
It was never ok, but many were at that place through simple ignorance and good faith; you can reason with people who are wrong but arguing in good faith. You can educate them and convince them.
Modern TERFs are mostly not feminists, not simply ignorant, and not acting in good faith. It’s just hate, and they try to find a label that’s a better brand for it
WhattaMattahYou
I'm ON SIGHT with goddamn Terfs.
and the ones who hinge it on fertility piss me off in particular
I'm Cis, and infertile, and (in my opinion) the worst kind
could not carry past three months
Telemapus
There was a movement within Second Wave feminism in the 1960s called Radical Feminism - they were the ones who came up with the idea of "patriarchy" and that oppression of women was done on the basis of gender (as opposed to legal system or class conflict). Radical Feminists believed that male oppression of women was the oldest form of oppression, and they called for the "elimination of patriarchy". Before the Radical Feminists, feminism was mostly about "equal rights", as it were, and /1
Telemapus
bringing women up to the point where they had the same legal rights and social position as men. The Radical Feminists said no this doesn't go far enough, we object to ideas like "as good as any man" or even the way we say women were "given" the vote. Patriarchy has to go. Flip forward 20 years or so and some transwomen had reached the point of being able to live openly (IIRC parts of Canada?) and so some naturally joined feminist movements, and some transwomen - understandably - found the /2
Telemapus
"end Patriarchy" tenets of Radical Feminism pretty appealing. Eventually a transwoman found herself in a position of being able to run for or nominate for a leadership position in a Radical Feminist group and that's when the shit hit the fan. Some of these Radical Feminists saw the presence of a transwoman as just "men trying to take even more from women". These became the first Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. They didn't deny the existence of trans people or call them "mentally ill" /3
Telemapus
necessarily (though many would fall back on that as a defence of their own attitudes) but they just said no, a transwoman is "other" and cannot lead a movement to end Patriarchy. It's classic fundamentalist thinking. Patriarchy bad, men bad, ex-man cannot be trusted, doesn't know what it's like etc etc etc. The more the TERFs doubled-down the less interesting their position became.
Rhythmaster
Always with the gatekeeping and the "no true scotsman" bullshit. What's wrong with having male feminist allies or even thought-leaders, if it advances the goals?
PirateOne
Honest question: I think trans women & women from birth face different challenges and it’s okay to recognize that. I don’t think either should be discriminated against. Does that make me a terf or no?
MaxMschief
No 🌸 because you're not excluding trans people, or hating them for existing, or denying them their basic human rights.
Taxicat
It’s no different than the idea that a white woman does not face the same challenges as a black woman. An able-bodied or neurotypical woman does not face the same challenges as a disabled woman. That’s the whole point of intersectionality!
NateKindaGreat
No. What you're getting at is called intersectionality: (speaking *very* roughly) the idea that different groups of people have varying experiences of oppression and marginalization based on all the various ways they identify (and are identified by others). Some of these experiences are worse than others, some a little better, but all oppressed people have more in common with each other than they do with their oppressors. But we shouldn't act as though being gay/black/disabled/etc.
NateKindaGreat
doesn't affect how you experience the difficulties associated with another marginalized identity, like--as here--being a woman. This is a *huge* topic and I barely touched it, but reading about intersectionality is a good rabbit hole to fall down. It's a major tent pole of third wave feminism and a good way of thinking to build solidarity between and within oppressed groups and their allies.
TheWiseAlaundo
I am not trans but was watching something earlier and the trans woman mentioned how during transitioning you experience misogyny before many other aspects of 'passing' and that when called out for being a trans woman people don't treat you like they would a man but rather a lesser kind of woman.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I don't think trans women can fully know the challenges of growing up as a cis women, that part is likely true. But I don't really see why that matters either. Once they transition, if they pass, they're going to be treated just like the rest of the women. In fact trans women have written about how suddenly they aren't listened to at work, people see their work as worse even when it's the same quality, etc. So they still have to face those challenges, plus they grew up with their own, /1
thelategirl
Not to mention that trans people are usually seen as lesser than most other people. A cis woman can at least be relatively sure of getting something obvious like a broken arm treated by doctors.
And even before coming out as trans, trans people usually face discrimination that stems from the same misogyny that causes discrimination against cis women.
Yes, obviously the exact form of discrimination may be different, but not all cis women are discriminated against in the same way either. /1
bot1010011010
on the other hand, we got to see the horrible shit many cis men say and do when they think there aren't any women around
it was fucking terrifying
PennysWorthOfTea
Not only are trans women exposed to the horrifying & occasionally violent misogyny of "men's spaces" but we have to hear it knowing that's how we'd be treated. Honestly, it's like living your life while holding your breath. To transition is like being allowed to finally breathe but accepting that you're now a target.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
probably even more difficult to handle, challenges. As a woman, when I face sexism, I can call it out. And many other women will back me up. I remember as a teen calling my dad a "tucking sexist" for making my sister and I help with dinner and do the dishes while my brothers did nothing. At least I had my sister. But a trans kid is usually alone, they're confused about what's happening and they don't know why it feels wrong so they can't even connect with other trans kids. So they go through /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
that, hopefully finally transition, and then get treated in a sexist manner for the rest of their lives. It's not the same path that cis women walk, but it ends in the same place, so why does it matter that there's a difference in the beginning? /3
TurnsOut42WasASlightMiscalculation
Well put. All individuals travel different paths. That does not erase their commonalities.
Taxicat
Also worth noting that all the trans women I know have actually CONFIRMED every bit of discrimination women face because they’ve literally been on both sides and directly witnessed how people started treating them differently as soon as they started presenting as female.
PennysWorthOfTea
Psst, rather than saying "trans women & women", it's more appropriate to say "trans women & cis women". Otherwise it's like saying "tall women & women"--you're implying that tall women aren't real women or are somehow deviant from the rest of women.
TeddyBruhsvelt
They didn't say "trans women and women" though, they said "trans women and women from birth", which is just a slightly more wordy way of saying "trans women and cis women". They haven't done the thing you're correcting them for in other words?
PennysWorthOfTea
Nope--current studies show that the parts of the brain associated with gender identity tend to develop around the end of the 1st trimester--about 6 mo before birth. In other words, trans women ARE women from birth. Seriously, it's so much easier to say "cis" than all the other linguistic gymnastics yet folks still cling to their bigoted habits even if they don't recognize it as bigoted.
IHateApostrophes
Agree Also all the convoluted ways of saying cis (e.g. a woman who was born a woman and identifies as one and is biologically a woman) not only sound ridiculous and intentionally othering, they still don't really exclude trans people. Plenty of trans people would say that their identity has always been what it is since birth, so "born a woman" doesn't exclude them. Even terms like "biological women" don't make sense when trans people can use hormones and surgery to literally change their biology
PirateOne
“Cis women” also doesn’t encompass the group of people who grew up with anti-female discrimination. Trans men face the same discrimination growing up that cis women do.
PennysWorthOfTea
That's nice, dear. [pat pat]
You just keep digging that hole.
IHateApostrophes
"Anti-female discrimination" is just misogyny. Trans women experience misogyny too, even before coming out / transitioning. A patriarchal society expects and even enforces amab people to behave in very prescribed ways and any deviation from that is severely punished. Exhibiting even the smallest hint of femininity is frowned upon at the least, or outright attacked at worst. Misogyny hurts everyone, not just afab people (which is probably the term you're looking for, I guess)
thelategirl
And the term women also doesn't include trans men.
If you're not a transphobe, then you're at least extremely ignorant in these matters, and should probably spend some time learning about trans people, from trans people.
Sounds like you've paid too much attention to the "TERFs" and not enough attention to trans or intersex people.
addiethebaddie
Then just say "teams people and cis people"