Feb 25, 2022 4:32 AM
biokleen
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phockeModel
Money talks!
Ratiofarming
She's not exactly white either, why tf does she do this to her own people?
djangojazz
#WhiteMenCantJail
wishiwasafish
How much sway does the judge have in regards to the sentence in criminal cases?
bolinotoyou
that's why Lindsey Graham promotes her name so often
Drdan42
What exactly were his 30 federal crimes? This story lacks transparency. Only serves to propagate a narrative
eightyearplan
District Attorney election https://www.aclu.org/blog/smart-justice/across-america-single-most-powerful-person-local-criminal-justice-systems
Bareclauses
Money.
LincLoud
CatEyebrows
What? You mean the law doesn’t apply to the rich prominent guy? I’m shocked
Maetivet
Does the US not have sentencing guidelines to stop this kind of bs?
copperdomebodhi
Was this a biased judge or is this what "mandatory minimums" gets us?
CambreathdTheSecound
#JugdestesForProfit
lDaKKoNl
In a perfect system, cases should be judged "blind". So government officals are not "buy-able" Cause this Michelle Childs Play is probs rich
graehall
This is yet another example of the divided legal system in the US. But I'm pretty sure hawks aren't poultry.
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
Retrial without a racist judge
helptouchme
yeah gotta say tho 8oz of weed is a fucking lot
potatoardvarkhybrid
It's a good weekend for some.
DaveDreamsOfDumplings
Lightweight.
GravyEducation
So is a fully stocked home bar but that's considered classy
BriefcaseTacos
WE DEAL IN ELL-BEES, BRUH!
godwithashotgun
sometimes yo boi gotta stock up gnomesayin
ArkoneAxon
She's not the only one: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/10/steven-donziger-loretta-preska-law-corruption-courts-corporate-influence
frontpagebound
The white guy shot some protected birds .. Hardly something to go to prison for
krausshansky
Is that all he did? You have a source?
swattyKnotts
Absolutely something to do time for. At a base level it is no different to theft as those resources belonged to all of us.
Volpe42
8 ounces of weed is a federal crime?
alex5775
A half pound of weed is a shit ton
letsg0brandon
if your 10yr old kid got it it would right?
DankTimez4Eva
Full blown AIDS and a blown of out rectum like you, no way
What?
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
Ignore the troll.
ProudAussie
I was expecting her to be white.
DarwinGreen5
Judges are elected officials, they respect huge stacks of "campaign funds". I doubt most drug-dealers donate to their officials.
SaItyEuropean
that's because you're full of prejudice
No, it's because it usually is in these situations in the US you pillock
you just confirmed you were full of prejudices lol wat
donthideyourright2
So your complain is that a judge plays favorites? Yeah. How you think it got there. I believe in randomizing.
Randomizing has nothing to do with this. This judge was chosen for two cases and was obviously biased.
Asteroidrules
Favorites had nothing to do with it, people who act as cooperating witnesses get reduced sentences, Omerta only hurts the little guy.
silentjay01
I think the complaint is that Childs is on the short list to be nominated by Biden for SCOTUS, & her boy Clyburn is pushing hard for her.
DanaConti5
Well that’s over I think
The22ndDoctor
Plead guilty to five charges of possession with intent to distribute, and it was a third strike case. 12 years was a bargain.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Ohh nooo she was gonna sell bag of plants to a person who wanted it?! Oh my wounded sense of justice and decency! Throw away the key!
TheDarkAnusRises
Selling weed should not get anyone 12 years in prison
Missing the point. Yes, these injustices, it being a crime, and 3 strike laws are all part of the problem. Compare the crime, NOT a bargain
Tell me about how white privilege and internalized racism arent a thing.
u77171
black judge, dope.
huu why invoke "internalised racism" or whtev it is when the situation can be explained by class solidarity??
Because life isn't that simple
sirpsys
Thank you.
What's interesting is that the judge is black, as is Clyburn, who interceded with her for the defendent.
See: internalized racism
wtf is that. She simply vouched for the dude belonging to her social class
Google it?
AnonMasterRace
See also: rich people
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
Or hear me out here - a very fucked judicial system where quid pro quo decides cases more than law. She knows that. He knows that.
Porque no los dos?
DimzD
You are so far up your ass that no one can help you. You fail to see how people like that push this separation, to hide the real problem.
[deleted]
What a fun an novel way to speak to a stranger! Nice to see people are really working to de-toxify online spaces. Keep it up friend!
Rogerwilco1974
This your first day on the internet? People are, largely, cunts. Not you or me, obviously. Have a good one, friend.
Not at all. I just enjoy the false sense of superiority that comes from shaming assholes.
Bonchoman
"Hush, you might discomfort the white kids"
notme222
Our drug sentencing laws are stupid. But it's also pretty dumb to compare these two cases.
Tumescentpie
Right. Because one is a crime and one is a pretend crime thought up to punish minorities and those against the war.
wtforero
Pretty sure there are mandatory minimums on drug charges, I recall an old situation where a judge said during sentencing he didn’t feel/1
The person should go to jail for so long, but that his hands were tied due to the law
Why? Because of systemic issues these two got very different sentences when carrying weed shouldn't even be illegal.
dirtcreature
You mean he was dumb enough to get caught with 8oz with the laws on the books?
One was state laws the other was federal laws.
DianNaoChong
8 ounces is not just carrying lol
DontHateMePlease
Sentencing is often related to precedent. If most hawk killings are condemned with fines and drug possessions with time, then you (1/2)
Really can’t compare these sentencings very well. There are plenty of cases of racism for the same crimes, this is a bad example to use. (2)
The other issue is the drug possession was a state law the other one says it was federal charges.
TK421isAFK
...which makes me wonder how they were even prosecuted in the same court.
Drug laws are state level in most cases
johndoejersey05
SC has mandatory minimum sentences for drug offences that takes agency away from judges during sentencing. She literally had no choice.
RigoryMorty
12 years is the minimum? Wtf?
Rijtjeshuis
As a lawyer, I think we who are sworn to uphold the law should be more harshly punished for breaking it than others.
raradizzinlove
Indeed.
stlouiscardinalsfan7
Lawyers, cops, judges, politicians all alike. Instead it’s a fucking get out of jail free pass in most cases
Jellypeppers
I think that should go for all oath takers
NonstopRampage
I was *kidding* earlier about the exploding collars
bhobby1212
We were as military police, the junior enlisted anyways
PutItInNeutral
How about a simple law with a harsh penalty for violating oath of office?
aWarlockDammit
Constantly this^ People in power should always be held to higher standards with more strict punishment. I hate that it doesn’t work that way
PoopyProblem5
Same with cops and legislatures. Those who enforce and write it should be held more accountable
encrypteddecryption
Evwn for, say, speeding tickets? Slow your roll, counselor. I didn't sign up for that kind of accountability. /s
Quixus
I agree, the same should be true for LEOs.
SugaryBonemeal
Don't single them out like a pussy, it should be all of them. Sagittarius, Pisces, Libras, every star sign should have a higher standard.
RoquetoBT
Sorry, LEOs?
Law Enforcement Officers.
Now that makes perfect sense! Thank you :)
JustJoe2047
No ones says that! You can't just make stuff up!
Wikipedia disagrees with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer
Bluejadesfire
As a lawyer, no. I agree with OP’s post-the whole point is that punishment should be equitable. jail+being disbarred is sufficient
I didn't mean that we should be crucified or something. It's hold just be viewed as an aggravating factor on sentence.
It could and should cut both ways on sentencing, depending on the crime and the facts of the case. No one size fits all rule makes sense.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Well being disbarred in addition does make it more though... Like if I'm a chef and break the law I can be a chef when I get out.
Good point, so maybe I am for extra punishment/disbarment, but definitely not extra jail time.
gobhoblin
Yes but lawyers use their profession directly in crimes. The chef's usual "crime" is, similar to that of the comparison case, personal drugs
spittleteets
...umm...try again...the whole point is that the system serves the rich and powerful. Please stop your pretend lawyer-ing
Hm, that makes the system unfair. Maybe it should be more equitable? Personal attacks on social media to strangers is also a little unfair.
PraetorianDead
The system is working as intended.
Ploty
Yes: the Apartheid system
fformulaa
Money can't buy you love but it sure as shit can let you buy the system to get away with evil, when you know the right people.
cepacolusmaximus
It's working as perverted by the wealthy. The bones are good. The institution is needed. The trouble (as always) is the greedy and selfish.
pastramionrye
Keep saying it. Never stop.
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
*caste system
Waddelsworth
It's a legal system. Not a justice system
anotherusernamed
Fuck the system.
FourLegsGood
And then what?
Drakon2k2
We get donuts.
8 ounces of weed isn't a federal crime
MarkySpaceMagnet
It may have been when he got busted.
JesaraB
She moved from the state court to the federal court
So 2 different sets of rules
She actually ignored the rules in the marijuana case. He plead guilty to a couple counts of selling, but the prosecution got her to sentence
him for the 8.7 ounces based on trafficking (10 lbs+) guidelines instead.
TheOnlyUsernameLeftApparently
I think it is if you cross state state lines with it
That's a really specific bust to be able to say you got it from another state.
Mostlydeadpool
if they stop you at the state line...
They need to be able to say you were doing something in their jurisdiction to have the need to pull you over
phockeModel
Money talks!
Ratiofarming
She's not exactly white either, why tf does she do this to her own people?
djangojazz
#WhiteMenCantJail
wishiwasafish
How much sway does the judge have in regards to the sentence in criminal cases?
bolinotoyou
that's why Lindsey Graham promotes her name so often
Drdan42
What exactly were his 30 federal crimes? This story lacks transparency. Only serves to propagate a narrative
eightyearplan
District Attorney election https://www.aclu.org/blog/smart-justice/across-america-single-most-powerful-person-local-criminal-justice-systems
Bareclauses
Money.
LincLoud
CatEyebrows
What? You mean the law doesn’t apply to the rich prominent guy? I’m shocked
Maetivet
Does the US not have sentencing guidelines to stop this kind of bs?
copperdomebodhi
Was this a biased judge or is this what "mandatory minimums" gets us?
CambreathdTheSecound
#JugdestesForProfit
lDaKKoNl
In a perfect system, cases should be judged "blind". So government officals are not "buy-able" Cause this Michelle Childs Play is probs rich
graehall
This is yet another example of the divided legal system in the US. But I'm pretty sure hawks aren't poultry.
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
Retrial without a racist judge
helptouchme
yeah gotta say tho 8oz of weed is a fucking lot
potatoardvarkhybrid
It's a good weekend for some.
DaveDreamsOfDumplings
Lightweight.
GravyEducation
So is a fully stocked home bar but that's considered classy
BriefcaseTacos
WE DEAL IN ELL-BEES, BRUH!
godwithashotgun
sometimes yo boi gotta stock up gnomesayin
ArkoneAxon
She's not the only one: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/10/steven-donziger-loretta-preska-law-corruption-courts-corporate-influence
frontpagebound
The white guy shot some protected birds .. Hardly something to go to prison for
krausshansky
Is that all he did? You have a source?
swattyKnotts
Absolutely something to do time for. At a base level it is no different to theft as those resources belonged to all of us.
Volpe42
8 ounces of weed is a federal crime?
alex5775
A half pound of weed is a shit ton
letsg0brandon
if your 10yr old kid got it it would right?
DankTimez4Eva
Full blown AIDS and a blown of out rectum like you, no way
Volpe42
What?
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
Ignore the troll.
ProudAussie
I was expecting her to be white.
DarwinGreen5
Judges are elected officials, they respect huge stacks of "campaign funds". I doubt most drug-dealers donate to their officials.
SaItyEuropean
that's because you're full of prejudice
ProudAussie
No, it's because it usually is in these situations in the US you pillock
SaItyEuropean
you just confirmed you were full of prejudices lol wat
donthideyourright2
So your complain is that a judge plays favorites? Yeah. How you think it got there. I believe in randomizing.
krausshansky
Randomizing has nothing to do with this. This judge was chosen for two cases and was obviously biased.
Asteroidrules
Favorites had nothing to do with it, people who act as cooperating witnesses get reduced sentences, Omerta only hurts the little guy.
silentjay01
I think the complaint is that Childs is on the short list to be nominated by Biden for SCOTUS, & her boy Clyburn is pushing hard for her.
DanaConti5
Well that’s over I think
The22ndDoctor
Plead guilty to five charges of possession with intent to distribute, and it was a third strike case. 12 years was a bargain.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Ohh nooo she was gonna sell bag of plants to a person who wanted it?! Oh my wounded sense of justice and decency! Throw away the key!
TheDarkAnusRises
Selling weed should not get anyone 12 years in prison
krausshansky
Missing the point. Yes, these injustices, it being a crime, and 3 strike laws are all part of the problem. Compare the crime, NOT a bargain
xXxSTEVOxXx
Tell me about how white privilege and internalized racism arent a thing.
u77171
black judge, dope.
SaItyEuropean
huu why invoke "internalised racism" or whtev it is when the situation can be explained by class solidarity??
xXxSTEVOxXx
Because life isn't that simple
sirpsys
Thank you.
biokleen
What's interesting is that the judge is black, as is Clyburn, who interceded with her for the defendent.
xXxSTEVOxXx
See: internalized racism
SaItyEuropean
wtf is that. She simply vouched for the dude belonging to her social class
xXxSTEVOxXx
Google it?
AnonMasterRace
See also: rich people
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
Or hear me out here - a very fucked judicial system where quid pro quo decides cases more than law. She knows that. He knows that.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Porque no los dos?
DimzD
You are so far up your ass that no one can help you. You fail to see how people like that push this separation, to hide the real problem.
[deleted]
[deleted]
xXxSTEVOxXx
What a fun an novel way to speak to a stranger! Nice to see people are really working to de-toxify online spaces. Keep it up friend!
Rogerwilco1974
This your first day on the internet? People are, largely, cunts. Not you or me, obviously. Have a good one, friend.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Not at all. I just enjoy the false sense of superiority that comes from shaming assholes.
Bonchoman
"Hush, you might discomfort the white kids"
notme222
Our drug sentencing laws are stupid. But it's also pretty dumb to compare these two cases.
Tumescentpie
Right. Because one is a crime and one is a pretend crime thought up to punish minorities and those against the war.
wtforero
Pretty sure there are mandatory minimums on drug charges, I recall an old situation where a judge said during sentencing he didn’t feel/1
wtforero
The person should go to jail for so long, but that his hands were tied due to the law
krausshansky
Why? Because of systemic issues these two got very different sentences when carrying weed shouldn't even be illegal.
dirtcreature
You mean he was dumb enough to get caught with 8oz with the laws on the books?
Volpe42
One was state laws the other was federal laws.
DianNaoChong
8 ounces is not just carrying lol
DontHateMePlease
Sentencing is often related to precedent. If most hawk killings are condemned with fines and drug possessions with time, then you (1/2)
DontHateMePlease
Really can’t compare these sentencings very well. There are plenty of cases of racism for the same crimes, this is a bad example to use. (2)
Volpe42
The other issue is the drug possession was a state law the other one says it was federal charges.
TK421isAFK
...which makes me wonder how they were even prosecuted in the same court.
Volpe42
Drug laws are state level in most cases
johndoejersey05
SC has mandatory minimum sentences for drug offences that takes agency away from judges during sentencing. She literally had no choice.
RigoryMorty
12 years is the minimum? Wtf?
Rijtjeshuis
As a lawyer, I think we who are sworn to uphold the law should be more harshly punished for breaking it than others.
raradizzinlove
Indeed.
stlouiscardinalsfan7
Lawyers, cops, judges, politicians all alike. Instead it’s a fucking get out of jail free pass in most cases
Jellypeppers
I think that should go for all oath takers
NonstopRampage
I was *kidding* earlier about the exploding collars
bhobby1212
We were as military police, the junior enlisted anyways
PutItInNeutral
How about a simple law with a harsh penalty for violating oath of office?
aWarlockDammit
Constantly this^ People in power should always be held to higher standards with more strict punishment. I hate that it doesn’t work that way
PoopyProblem5
Same with cops and legislatures. Those who enforce and write it should be held more accountable
encrypteddecryption
Evwn for, say, speeding tickets? Slow your roll, counselor. I didn't sign up for that kind of accountability. /s
Quixus
I agree, the same should be true for LEOs.
SugaryBonemeal
Don't single them out like a pussy, it should be all of them. Sagittarius, Pisces, Libras, every star sign should have a higher standard.
RoquetoBT
Sorry, LEOs?
Quixus
Law Enforcement Officers.
RoquetoBT
Now that makes perfect sense! Thank you :)
JustJoe2047
No ones says that! You can't just make stuff up!
Quixus
Wikipedia disagrees with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer
Bluejadesfire
As a lawyer, no. I agree with OP’s post-the whole point is that punishment should be equitable. jail+being disbarred is sufficient
Rijtjeshuis
I didn't mean that we should be crucified or something. It's hold just be viewed as an aggravating factor on sentence.
encrypteddecryption
It could and should cut both ways on sentencing, depending on the crime and the facts of the case. No one size fits all rule makes sense.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Well being disbarred in addition does make it more though... Like if I'm a chef and break the law I can be a chef when I get out.
Bluejadesfire
Good point, so maybe I am for extra punishment/disbarment, but definitely not extra jail time.
gobhoblin
Yes but lawyers use their profession directly in crimes. The chef's usual "crime" is, similar to that of the comparison case, personal drugs
spittleteets
...umm...try again...the whole point is that the system serves the rich and powerful. Please stop your pretend lawyer-ing
Bluejadesfire
Hm, that makes the system unfair. Maybe it should be more equitable? Personal attacks on social media to strangers is also a little unfair.
PraetorianDead
The system is working as intended.
Ploty
Yes: the Apartheid system
fformulaa
Money can't buy you love but it sure as shit can let you buy the system to get away with evil, when you know the right people.
cepacolusmaximus
It's working as perverted by the wealthy. The bones are good. The institution is needed. The trouble (as always) is the greedy and selfish.
pastramionrye
Keep saying it. Never stop.
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
*caste system
Waddelsworth
It's a legal system. Not a justice system
anotherusernamed
Fuck the system.
FourLegsGood
And then what?
Drakon2k2
We get donuts.
Volpe42
8 ounces of weed isn't a federal crime
MarkySpaceMagnet
It may have been when he got busted.
JesaraB
She moved from the state court to the federal court
Volpe42
So 2 different sets of rules
JesaraB
She actually ignored the rules in the marijuana case. He plead guilty to a couple counts of selling, but the prosecution got her to sentence
JesaraB
him for the 8.7 ounces based on trafficking (10 lbs+) guidelines instead.
TheOnlyUsernameLeftApparently
I think it is if you cross state state lines with it
Volpe42
That's a really specific bust to be able to say you got it from another state.
Mostlydeadpool
if they stop you at the state line...
Volpe42
They need to be able to say you were doing something in their jurisdiction to have the need to pull you over