Not everyone knows what to do in that situation. Not everyone’s body lets them also think during times of panic. Good thing we have people like you who do the smart/correct thing 100% of the time!
The end of the arm will experience the most motion from the tipping but it’s hard to say if the riders could feel it apart from the motion of the ride. Maybe someone very familiar with it could tell
I feel like my stomach would be inside out but I've worked in a gym during an earthquake and none of the people on treadmills felt a thing. They were blinking and looking confused while everything shook and the rest of the gym was running for the exit, so who knows? Ive also driven through an earthquake and didn't feel a thing.
there is a difference between hard breaking and not breaking at all which I don't see happening here, but looking at all the downvotes guess nobody sees that issue here sigh
If their city government is worth half a damn, they will have an inspector crawling up the asses of every fair that comes to town after this. My small-ass town of under 5000 people actually didn't have a fair one year because they couldn't pass inspection with their rides.
Or, just as a suggestion, you have a mandatory inspection when it's set up like it's law here in Germany on top of regular scheduled inspections at certain intervals ( not sure if it's once a year or more).
That would be nice. My city does an inspection on setup, but in the US, getting any kind of nationwide regulation that helps people is like pulling teeth.
Thus is why I DO NOT want to even be around fair rides like this. And now with what regulatory body is left to inspect these death traps now that the Supreme Court just ripped most of em out
states are still free to regulate rides in the interest of public safety. The recent Chevron case had to do with Congress delegating rule-making to the executive branch.
THIS MOTHERFUCKER. This type of ride is the one that gave me my fear of heights! I was at the highest point and power went out in the entire town. I was stuck until power came back on. I'm a little relieved that it was just the power now, though...
I'm a heavy equipment operator by trade. 25 years now in and around equipment and attachments. I'm telling you every fair with rides I have been to... I look at geese nipples, pins, and bushings.... just what I can see anyway and some stuff looks like it's never been serviced. I won't ride at all. I will tell you there might have been 3 fairs in my entire life that I can remember when the equipment looked well serviced. They get taken apart and put together so much man and no maintenance... sad.
This, and people they're always traveling, they're not under the same scrutiny as a stationary ride, especially due to every state has different safety thresholds, so there's no real incentive to keep shit up to date.
I can personally attest. I almost died when I was 11 on the Himalayan ride. Also, some of the most dangerous rides statistically are the tamer looking ones.
Bar across seat wasn't latched properly, I was in the seat farthest in. As the seat tilted inward I had my friend, and a large adult stranger slide across the seat, crushing against me, while I fought to hold the bar down. I almost slid out of the seat into the center of the mechanism. They play loud music on the ride and no one could hear me shouting.
you say that right as you get into a motor vehicle that is maintained and inspected even less frequently, rarely operated correctly, and kills 40,000 people a year in the USA, without a second thought.
The more bodies the better until the ride stops completely. They aren't "heros" like the first group but I wouldn't discredit them unless they brag about it later
I don't think that's a bad take. If it had gone over backwards without something holding them in their seats, it's almost certain riders would have been thrown out during the fall. Keeping them in the carriage would contain them and the seats add some level of impact protection.
I just put myself in that situation. If I were riding that thing I'd be thankful for the restraints. I'd be holding on for dear life otherwise, so I wouldn't fall or fly out should it have actually toppled.
That's exactly what I did but quite a good handful of people here don't understand some people's way of thinking or sarcasm. So I thank YOU for having the same line of thought as me! <3
Republicans sitting in the back doing shit all then take credit for people who are helping and it working. Democrats run in the help and save the day. Then the people on the ride who are Republicans blame the Dems for what happened. Best analogy for todays politics.
Having lifted things with an overhead crane it would surprise you how little weight something thousands of pounds need to balance. Of course, that depends on lifting position. But I have used the weight of my arm to hold a few thousand pounds level.
I feel like it would have worked, though by the time more than 2 guys got on, it was not going very high and probably would have stopped tipping by then anyway.
Question for the physicists (physicians? physics people) out there, do the people that jump on and pull the railing while their feet are still on it make any difference from the people with their feet on the ground? I'm sure it's minimal, but technically does it change the moment of inertia because their whole body is part of the system vs the people on the ground bracing against a fixed force?
It should make a difference, yes. For the machine to lift the ones with their feet on the ground, it has to lift their whole body weight. To lift the ones standing on the ground, it just has to overcome the downward force their arms are exerting through their shoulders, and whatever backwards force from them leaning.
Well if you have 20 people that each weight 180lbs standing on it, you have 3600lbs of counterweight. If everyone was standing on the ground, you only have as much counterweight as they can hold down, combined. So if most people have weak strength, it probably wouldn't be close to the same.
I'm assuming their full weight would be lifted before it tips, meaning the difference in probably negligible. But does the point of inertia change if the tipping point is caused by the part of the closed system or the angular momentum shifting within (on a slightly uneven surface). On paper, you could apply enough force to let it slip a little instead of topple over, but that's not reality. I just wasn't sure if that made a difference over just the added weight away from the tipping point
You're using physics and engineering terms here(moment of inertia, angular momentum). If you're an engineer, you can probably draw a free form diagram and see it. Or maybe you just picked up a few buzzwords.
I'm getting old, it's been over a decade since my engineering 101, I know enough to know I can't figure out angular momentum because I can barely remember the moment of inertia for a stationary object with an outside force... hence I was searching for a physics nerd
There is a difference. The structure is pivoting around the supports on the rear, maybe 5 m away from the fence. A person standing on the rail with his butt out will have his center of mass maybe an extra 0.5 m away from the pivot, compared to a guy hanging on by his hands (he can't stand away from the fence and also pull with his entire weight, due to lack of friction). The torque exerted is proportional to the distance from the pivot, so a gain of 10% with my approximate figures.
I've seen this a number of times but this is the first time I realized that the guy in the beginning putting his hands on his head is one of the first people to jump on there.
And he seems to recognize more than most of the others there how center of gravity works, the way he both applies his whole body weight (by not standing on the ground) and putting as much of his body backward as he can.
To be fair we don't see where he went off to; he might have gone to seek help or something for all we know. The guy in the white shirt is a more obvious case of what you describe.
Damn right he is. Peoole could have died. Dude reallized it was only off weight by a few hundred pounds and went for it. Fuck im tearing up thinking of what was going through this guys head. Youre one of the best of us grey hoodie hero.
*He* could have died or been injured, and his hesitation makes me think he realized the danger before deciding to go for it. If people hadn't joined him on those first few swings, it might not have worked. Great job all around
First step is recognizing the problem- right?! He jumped in like he knew he might go over with it. Dude has balls more impressive than that handrail he’s hanging on to
I would've done the same thing, but it's good that others followed. I've been in the position where I'm the only one being the asshat doing what need to be done and everyone else has bystander syndrome. But that's okay. It's fine. Sometimes people are just built differently. I used to be sore about it, but I just hope that the people who were hurt realised that I did my best with what I had at that moment.
Yes. And also: Many people might have realized that something is wrong, and wonder if they should do something. Actually starting actions and being vocal about what is going on is so important to mobilize all the other passive bystanders. In the next step, call out to more people if needed, as many see the problem, but might think that the situation is already under control, and they are not needed.
When I took my first responder course, they tell you to choose a specific bystander and tell them to call 911, because if you just yell to call 911, often times everyone will just assume someone else did it and delay the call
Yes, say "You, come and help me!". Pick people and delegate tasks, they can help in many ways. Call 911, go outside to wait for the ambulance and guide them inside, come and talk to the victim while I bandage them, go and evacuate bystanders, search the victim's bag for personal documents (if unconscious)...
greenercloud
Thank god for the last guy at the very end, it was him who really helped since he held on to…. Uh…… something
CoinedWatcher
I'm here, im here im here!!!! I'll hold... uh... this part... over here, I guess?
seakoos
They could have ridden that for the rest of their lives
countbassy
If they should live so long
thornus67
countbassy
I know…that was my meaning
Knave333
This video really shows the cascading effect of one person doing the right thing. It made it easy for others to jump in and do the same.
nelsonau
This is a documented social science effect. Be that first person. Others will follow.
jsexton
And yet a few dipshits who stood and stared and did nothing. (Or filmed it, for that matter).
MrsHowVeryDareYou
Not everyone knows what to do in that situation. Not everyone’s body lets them also think during times of panic. Good thing we have people like you who do the smart/correct thing 100% of the time!
cousteau
Yeah, it's like when Imgur mass-downvotes a comment just because.
ForeskinOmelette
I wonder if the riders could tell something was fucky or if it was only visible from the outside.
theskepticinme
The end of the arm will experience the most motion from the tipping but it’s hard to say if the riders could feel it apart from the motion of the ride. Maybe someone very familiar with it could tell
kwayit
No because they were dumb enough to ride a fair ride put up with little or no law enforcement and less accountability.
NachoIskerka
I'm betting you're fun at parties...
LarvaLamp
iLikeRainyDays
Say you've never been on s fair ride without saying you've never been on a fair tide
BumbleBeeBeardedGingerBear
I feel like my stomach would be inside out but I've worked in a gym during an earthquake and none of the people on treadmills felt a thing. They were blinking and looking confused while everything shook and the rest of the gym was running for the exit, so who knows? Ive also driven through an earthquake and didn't feel a thing.
jensen010
Kinda makes sense, you only make contact with the ground for super brief intervals when you're running
Paradox1111
Where is the operator?
kamui9460
He's the one who turned the ride off, you can see it slowing down because he activated a button
cultor1
That is one shit off button.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
Do you expect a ride like that (or most any ride, really) to just brake hard and come to a full stop immediately?
cultor1
there is a difference between hard breaking and not breaking at all which I don't see happening here, but looking at all the downvotes guess nobody sees that issue here sigh
TakuanSoho
And that's how mankind made progress, folks : collaboration
PeeterGrant
Imagine how your car would perform if you took it apart every week and put it back together. Seem like they assumed the ground was level? ASS U ME
ThisGostakIsHereForTheDoshes
Someone forgot to put the bubble into the spirit level.
Heavenissize17socks
mrputter
JacktheKind
Which freaking unregulated fourth-world country it this? You need an inspection from the Technische Überwachungsverein (TÜV), promptly!
IllegalDuckling
Ah, another fellow from the country of so many regulations that nothing like this could ever happen!
thefinpope
This was a couple years back at the National Cherry Festival in Traverse City, MI.
sarzaya
I was looking for where, hoping it wasn’t my country failing at basic safety again. But glad it also has the helpers! There’s hope for us!
blaghart
someone didn't deploy the braces that fold out for literally this exact purpose
eastend666
That's a lot of bravery. Things could've gone horribly wrong for everyone involved.
Eldibs
If their city government is worth half a damn, they will have an inspector crawling up the asses of every fair that comes to town after this. My small-ass town of under 5000 people actually didn't have a fair one year because they couldn't pass inspection with their rides.
FPAlpha
Or, just as a suggestion, you have a mandatory inspection when it's set up like it's law here in Germany on top of regular scheduled inspections at certain intervals ( not sure if it's once a year or more).
Just saying.
Eldibs
That would be nice. My city does an inspection on setup, but in the US, getting any kind of nationwide regulation that helps people is like pulling teeth.
oldguyexlurker
Outriggers. They're not just for looks.
RooGryphon
Thus is why I DO NOT want to even be around fair rides like this. And now with what regulatory body is left to inspect these death traps now that the Supreme Court just ripped most of em out
torokunai
states are still free to regulate rides in the interest of public safety. The recent Chevron case had to do with Congress delegating rule-making to the executive branch.
BDBottom
Bahahahaha! Some lo-tax libertoonian paradise like Texas or Mississippi regulate? In a pig's eye they will.
Syovere
THIS MOTHERFUCKER. This type of ride is the one that gave me my fear of heights! I was at the highest point and power went out in the entire town. I was stuck until power came back on. I'm a little relieved that it was just the power now, though...
bekindtoanimals
These flimsy carnival rides. Fuck that
volkheath
That’s a hell of a railing, all things considered.
ZOMGNO
The railing looks like it'll give at one point!
cousteau
Faith in humanity restored, but only the humanity that did the counterweight thing, not whoever designed/owns/maintains that piece of junk.
FeloniousMonk13
If you don't legitimately fear for your life at least once in the evening, have you even really BEEN to the county fair??
circlebreaker
*throws handful of dimes on upswing of the Zipper*
FeloniousMonk13
YES THAT IS THE EXACT FUCKING RIDE I WAS THINKING OF LMAOO man I loved that thing as a kid
circlebreaker
Best of the best. The cream of the carnival crop, equaled only by turning upside-down on the Gravitron.
JohnBluehill
God I miss the gravitron....
HedonistBeard
Out of all the places I've legitimately feared for my life the county fair was definitely among the few I've been drunk enough to go back to
WoopDeFrickenDoo
if the rides don't get ya, the fried butter will
Zarlicious
People die at the fair
cactusjuiceitsthequenchiest
People die at the fair
PineappleLoopsBroether
Ogden's celebrated stomach bitters.... cocaine, alcohol, morphine, mercury with chalk and red flannel..... there's shirt in this??
tchrbrian
People die in the parking lot on their way to the fair.
glagnar
Good people helping out. Probably not riding that anymore at the county fair yo.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
I'll watch it first, then maybe.
OCTAVlAN
I'm a heavy equipment operator by trade. 25 years now in and around equipment and attachments. I'm telling you every fair with rides I have been to... I look at geese nipples, pins, and bushings.... just what I can see anyway and some stuff looks like it's never been serviced. I won't ride at all. I will tell you there might have been 3 fairs in my entire life that I can remember when the equipment looked well serviced. They get taken apart and put together so much man and no maintenance... sad.
MrsSlavicHorse
Do you find that it’s better in some states than others due to regulations or no?
OCTAVlAN
I'm in Canada. But those companies travel all over the country here and in the US.
SecondSince
Don't trust any rides at a county fair or carnival! Maintenance is generally shoddy if it exists at all.
FrozenCoast
That is half the fun. Injects some real fear.
rshini
This, and people they're always traveling, they're not under the same scrutiny as a stationary ride, especially due to every state has different safety thresholds, so there's no real incentive to keep shit up to date.
Nofoxlefttogive
I can personally attest. I almost died when I was 11 on the Himalayan ride. Also, some of the most dangerous rides statistically are the tamer looking ones.
MrsSlavicHorse
What happened? Do you know what went wrong?
Nofoxlefttogive
Bar across seat wasn't latched properly, I was in the seat farthest in. As the seat tilted inward I had my friend, and a large adult stranger slide across the seat, crushing against me, while I fought to hold the bar down. I almost slid out of the seat into the center of the mechanism. They play loud music on the ride and no one could hear me shouting.
unluckyandbored
Stay off these rides. All of them. They aren't inspected, they aren't maintained, and they aren't operated correctly.
whatsisname
you say that right as you get into a motor vehicle that is maintained and inspected even less frequently, rarely operated correctly, and kills 40,000 people a year in the USA, without a second thought.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Nearly all motor vehicle deaths are due to operator error. Mind you basically everyone working at a carnival is on drugs
whatsisname
That is a dangerously wrong, persistent myth. Operator error is merely the last factor in a long list of contributors to a crash. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/deadly-myth-human-error-causes-most-car-crashes/620808/ There's a reason virtually everyone's been in a car crash, and virtually no one has been in a plane crash, and it's because air travel recognizes it requires systemic solutions.
MrPengy
My vehicle only kills 30,000 people a year. It also rarely spins me around in a massive loop 40 feet above the ground.
MyusernameisLostOne
username checks out
Affray
I like that we can see beige pants guy go from hands on head what the fuck anxiety to "I'm jumping on this thing." in about three seconds.
plainoldfool
I commend everyone who jumped on the railing, even the last few. But that first guy.... That's the personification of "not on my watch"
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
What kill-joys man, that's paet of the thrill.
Scruffy2
The same people are setting up the National Cherry Festival this year too. I don't plan on going.
zortroz
Every one of these guys fucks.
tarataqa
Except for the one filming it who saw the problem and didn't help.
tinydog
Most do.
MADchemEE
Especially the first few.
ESPECIALLY the first one.
yamamasyamaha
The ones who ran up after the problem was resolved don’t. The illusion of helping!
cousteau
It's called a safety margin and it's better than not having it!
Spiked
The more bodies the better until the ride stops completely. They aren't "heros" like the first group but I wouldn't discredit them unless they brag about it later
cyberstormtrooper
Even the ride fucks
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
It sure sees a lot more action than I do.
cousteau
*is fucked
PJamz
You guys are gonna hate me for this.... but at least they're strapped in.
MrWobblyHead
I don't think that's a bad take. If it had gone over backwards without something holding them in their seats, it's almost certain riders would have been thrown out during the fall. Keeping them in the carriage would contain them and the seats add some level of impact protection.
PJamz
Oh my god thank you... I love you. I feel less evil now.
MrWobblyHead
I just put myself in that situation. If I were riding that thing I'd be thankful for the restraints. I'd be holding on for dear life otherwise, so I wouldn't fall or fly out should it have actually toppled.
PJamz
That's exactly what I did but quite a good handful of people here don't understand some people's way of thinking or sarcasm. So I thank YOU for having the same line of thought as me! <3
SubiBryant
I've seen this a dozen times and every time I'm relieved it worked.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Republicans sitting in the back doing shit all then take credit for people who are helping and it working. Democrats run in the help and save the day. Then the people on the ride who are Republicans blame the Dems for what happened. Best analogy for todays politics.
eyesoftheearth
I watched it twice but was only relived the first time
Tjitso
I sure hope you mean you've seen this particular movie a dozen times, and not a dozen separate events
williewest12
Who do you think caused the events?
Tjitso
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Having lifted things with an overhead crane it would surprise you how little weight something thousands of pounds need to balance. Of course, that depends on lifting position. But I have used the weight of my arm to hold a few thousand pounds level.
christiancantrell43bass3
Isaac Newton, possibly said, "Give me a lever long enough and I can lift the world".
Him, Copernicus, Galileo....one of them said it, or close to it.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I saw this happen at a carnival in Texas about ten years ago. Scary as hell.
MeowWoof
As a fat man, I feel that I missed out on my only chance at responding to a "Avengers, Assemble!" moment by not being there.
cyberstormtrooper
Avengers Type II, assemble!
KrebstarCorporation
Same, but they were doing 2-for-1 funnel cakes at the pavilion and those deals don’t last long
SteelyDad
Gordos! Vamanos!
JohnBluehill
Gordo here, I would have spit a drink out at this
Over400
Con medio funnel cake en la boca.
llortamai
I'm just shocked the railing didn't break!
jridley
I feel like it would have worked, though by the time more than 2 guys got on, it was not going very high and probably would have stopped tipping by then anyway.
cousteau
You never know. Better safe than sorry.
mynamespaul
Still, if I was guy #3 trying to think fat thoughts so a bunch do people don’t die, I’d probably be relieved when dude 4 through 15 jump on.
cousteau
"Think fat thoughts" is officially the funniest line I've read today.
ArcaneM37
If it is put off balance (sinking into the dirt on the back?) Repetition could make it worse very quickly.
CoinedWatcher
Question for the physicists (physicians? physics people) out there, do the people that jump on and pull the railing while their feet are still on it make any difference from the people with their feet on the ground? I'm sure it's minimal, but technically does it change the moment of inertia because their whole body is part of the system vs the people on the ground bracing against a fixed force?
ThatShiftyMonkey
It should make a difference, yes. For the machine to lift the ones with their feet on the ground, it has to lift their whole body weight. To lift the ones standing on the ground, it just has to overcome the downward force their arms are exerting through their shoulders, and whatever backwards force from them leaning.
Scadabadootz
Well if you have 20 people that each weight 180lbs standing on it, you have 3600lbs of counterweight. If everyone was standing on the ground, you only have as much counterweight as they can hold down, combined. So if most people have weak strength, it probably wouldn't be close to the same.
CoinedWatcher
I'm assuming their full weight would be lifted before it tips, meaning the difference in probably negligible. But does the point of inertia change if the tipping point is caused by the part of the closed system or the angular momentum shifting within (on a slightly uneven surface). On paper, you could apply enough force to let it slip a little instead of topple over, but that's not reality. I just wasn't sure if that made a difference over just the added weight away from the tipping point
christiancantrell43bass3
You're using physics and engineering terms here(moment of inertia, angular momentum). If you're an engineer, you can probably draw a free form diagram and see it. Or maybe you just picked up a few buzzwords.
CoinedWatcher
I'm getting old, it's been over a decade since my engineering 101, I know enough to know I can't figure out angular momentum because I can barely remember the moment of inertia for a stationary object with an outside force... hence I was searching for a physics nerd
Eroen0
There is a difference. The structure is pivoting around the supports on the rear, maybe 5 m away from the fence. A person standing on the rail with his butt out will have his center of mass maybe an extra 0.5 m away from the pivot, compared to a guy hanging on by his hands (he can't stand away from the fence and also pull with his entire weight, due to lack of friction). The torque exerted is proportional to the distance from the pivot, so a gain of 10% with my approximate figures.
Eroen0
Meaning a hanger-downer must weigh 10% more than a butt-out-sticker to help as much. "Torque" is the word to Google to learn more about this.
Btw, I think this is a very good question, and you should continuebeing curious about how the world works!
imgonnaralph
I've seen this a number of times but this is the first time I realized that the guy in the beginning putting his hands on his head is one of the first people to jump on there.
DrewtanggaurdiumLeviosa
Not one of, the first. F
MajorasTerribleFate
And he seems to recognize more than most of the others there how center of gravity works, the way he both applies his whole body weight (by not standing on the ground) and putting as much of his body backward as he can.
JaceTiger
Also, it allows him a quick bail out if it does tip over so he's not launched
kamui9460
He's a hero
davefleming19903
And the guy in the COACH hoodie is either a coward, or just doesn't care enough to try
kamui9460
To be fair we don't see where he went off to; he might have gone to seek help or something for all we know. The guy in the white shirt is a more obvious case of what you describe.
davefleming19903
While I agree, the ride is obviously slowing and there's not much room, he just didn't care "anymore"
Talbotous
Damn right he is. Peoole could have died. Dude reallized it was only off weight by a few hundred pounds and went for it. Fuck im tearing up thinking of what was going through this guys head. Youre one of the best of us grey hoodie hero.
Deadmanwalkn
*He* could have died or been injured, and his hesitation makes me think he realized the danger before deciding to go for it. If people hadn't joined him on those first few swings, it might not have worked. Great job all around
smorsdoeuvres
First step is recognizing the problem- right?!
He jumped in like he knew he might go over with it. Dude has balls more impressive than that handrail he’s hanging on to
TuckerTheGuy
I would've done the same thing, but it's good that others followed. I've been in the position where I'm the only one being the asshat doing what need to be done and everyone else has bystander syndrome. But that's okay. It's fine. Sometimes people are just built differently. I used to be sore about it, but I just hope that the people who were hurt realised that I did my best with what I had at that moment.
ThisGostakIsHereForTheDoshes
Yes. And also: Many people might have realized that something is wrong, and wonder if they should do something. Actually starting actions and being vocal about what is going on is so important to mobilize all the other passive bystanders. In the next step, call out to more people if needed, as many see the problem, but might think that the situation is already under control, and they are not needed.
Bondsmith10
When I took my first responder course, they tell you to choose a specific bystander and tell them to call 911, because if you just yell to call 911, often times everyone will just assume someone else did it and delay the call
ThisGostakIsHereForTheDoshes
Yes, say "You, come and help me!". Pick people and delegate tasks, they can help in many ways. Call 911, go outside to wait for the ambulance and guide them inside, come and talk to the victim while I bandage them, go and evacuate bystanders, search the victim's bag for personal documents (if unconscious)...
cyberstormtrooper
Although if it fell backwards with him standing where he was, he would get lifted about 3 feet in the air.
Richter12x2
Yeeted. It's not far, but it's still a multiplication of force and a good amount of force to multiply
TieflingDelivery
The platform is as wide as a semi, with how heavy it is it would have been like an 8 ft tall trebuchet he would have gone a good bit
cyberstormtrooper
I need a simulation video to understand these things
smorsdoeuvres