He did a lot of shitty things like most American presidents. He was definitely a big part of American imperialism and worsening the chokehold of the military industrial complex on all of us. And it’s important to not romanticize him because of his charisma. But also dang I miss how charismatic that man was.
Yeah, it's exhausting right? I'm far-left both economically and socially, but many American progressives, especially on social media, are too fucking stupid to know how to win power. They think it will come in some sort of singular moment and person instead of through decades of hard work via millions of failed, flawed human beings.
They're constantly messiah seeking and then attacking anyone who fails their ever changing redlines.
I think it’s just that the bar is so low for politicians that we are like it’s ok that he bombed civilians in Yemen because he was better spoken than the last guy and was charming
I think it's important to not let anxiety over fascism make us yearn for better, but still inadequate presidents just because they're dripping with charisma.
And the Presidential Wall of Shame winner is… It’s a tie between Buchanan, the president whose actions led directly to the American Civil War and Donald Trump.
I didn’t say he was perfect. Both Roosevelts had some interesting opinions, too. Lincoln didn’t give a damn abolishing slavery until it became convenient. Eisenhower wasn’t an angel either.
People are nuanced and the bad needs to be acknowledged alongside the good.
FDR refused to support Anti-Lynching laws, worked quite hard to try and clear Mexican Americans out of America, and signed the order to put Japanese Americans into internment camps.
Teddy forced Native Americans off their lands, expanded the Monroe Doctrine, and ordered a dishonorable discharge of an entire company of soldiers because they were accused of killing two people despite their evidence of their innocence.
Yes, they both did good things, but let's be consistent here.
Obama is a great man, was a great President. Our problems however, are such that they cannot be solved, we cannot be 'saved', by One Man. That kind of thinking got Trump elected. We need more engagement, more local voting and participation, better discourse and educated debate, and less dunk-on-you, own-the-fill-in-the-blanks division. Americans spend so much time, energy and tax dollars going after other Americans (and residents).
I like that he valued intelligence and I felt that he was well intentioned and willing to compromise. It’s important that more leaders share these traits no matter their stance on issues
Since i have seen this "Obama Means Family" - post, i sometimes see him (Obama) showing up in my dreams. My dreams are not about him, but sometimes he is just there and talks with me for minute or so, about what just happened and how it would make him feel or what he thinks about what just happened for me (in my dream). I am not from America. I have never been in america, or very engaged with worlwide politics (until recently).
I miss having a POTUS I could hate the regular amount. Enough charisma that you can actually listen to them speak (or even enjoy it with Obama) and policies that ranged from great to good to disappointing to only sometimes infuriating, but mostly good enough. Having to live twice through a POTUS with anti-charisma and only bad policies you have to hope the courts will stop has killed my faith in this country.
During the Obama presidency Imgur had memes. Memes like the ones with Biden. Wholesome. Now we are flooded with atrocity after atrocity. It's not funny. It's not wholesome. I miss Obama too.
"I wish that I had been more objective at the time." Well... don't we all? I've always wanted to visit America. That hasn't been the case for many years now. A shame, really. Obama was one of the few people in the world I'd have loved to shake hands with.
I liked Obama for what he was at that point in history, but even he wouldn't dismantle the AI surveillance apparatus that's currently being deployed in places like MN. The next POTUS has to make that commitment. We saw how fast Trump and Co slapped death camps together. Never again needs to be taken seriously.
Yeah, turns out you'll never have a fucking super hero, flawless, messiah. I'd say it's good you finally realized this, but I can tell you haven't learned anything, and you'll keep searching for salvation and throwing tantrums when elected officials turn out to be flawed humans just like you.
The thing is, he wouldn't be giving corporate entities unbridled access either. The both-sidesism is harmful. As the OP commented "wish that I had been more objective at the time."
I didn't write the comment you replied to, but it doesn't look like a "both sides" argument to me. It looks like a "learn from the past and change the future" argument.
This. It's crazy because anywhere else in the world, and Obama is centre right. I was saying expecting the right wing to protect you from the extremists on the right wing is the failing strategy that got things to this point.
I'm not both-sidesisming shit. I'm saying that a middle-right candidate like Obama would never save you from a far right candidate. They are both ok with building the tools to oppress, so end of the day the more fascists side is going to end up with them.
Fair. If someone had said what I'm saying to you a decade ago I would have gotten a bit offended and ready to throw down too. My only regret in all of this, was not getting started sooner. They stole an election from Gore and no one got in trouble. Conspiracy hat says they stole from Hillary (they wipped a GA server before anyone looked at it in a county that won by a single vote) and there's indication they stole it from Kamala. They are going ot do it again even if they have to shoot to do it.
man...it really goes to show you how racist/sexist america really was that they chose to vote for fatass again over Harris/Walz. i still wish she would have picked Mark Kelly from AZ.
He had a good personality and 100% I'd pick him over Trump but he fucked us over by not using the full power of his office to shore up the republic agains the GOP. For example, he *CHOSE* not to leverage recess appointments out of what, some unrequited sense of decency? We should have had at least one more decent SCOTUS judge.
Biden got much more done in his time, but I would say a good president is one who at least improves things a bit while not embarrassing or destroying good things.
Seing something like this I come to think maybe President of the United States is simply not a "good" job to have. What would it really take? Maybe no matter how good of a person you want to be it's just bound to turn out shitty somehow in the end.
I'd imagine if you have been a politician for life over decades it's a very honerable goal. At the same time I'm sure after 4-6 years almost every potus was reliefed the US constitution has a 2 term limit for being president. Do you remember these before and after pictures showing Obama, Bush, Clinton? It's like they've been aging decades instead of years being in office.
The countries he drone struck don't miss him, but I understand what you mean, Obama was 10000000 times better than the toddler currently in the white house.
His drone strikes were his answer to the generals and GOP officials that wouldn’t let him pull troops out. Biden said it was the single biggest failure of his career and I might agree if I knew all the details. Biden promised if he won he would remove the troops since his believers his son died from Burn Pit complications. I’m not excusing his behavior but the blame is shared for the entire staff he is just the fall guy
I'd say you cannot be "the perfect US president and never get your hands dirty". The job comes with that kind of baggage, always. Obama wasn't 'perfect' either, but compared to who the US has voted in right now, by all hells, he was better in every regard, INCLUDING drone strikes. Like, the strikes themselves are definitely a thing that can be discussed ad absurdum. But he didn't do so without consent from the senate, just as an aside. Or kidnap foreign dignitaries. Or rape kids. List goes on.
Key qualifier in there is US President, so thanks for including it. With US history in the 20th century it has to be next to impossible to be a president and not have some blood on your hands. Many other countries it's hard but not impossible.
Obama was pretty disastrous in the foreign policy sphere though he didn't annihilate US alliances. He normalized drone strikes on civilians. Not that he was remotely as bad as Trump. Don't think anyone since Raegan can hold a candle to Trump but Obama wasn't a great president, just a gifted speaker and not an abject monster.
How sad your life must be that you have to make yourself angry just so you dont accident feel joy. Its okay bro, you can relax and go for a walk, life is a spectrum and youre experiencing a miniscule fragment of it by choosing to eat your own shit
Honey every single idiot that thinks a boss or president should have any power over others? Is as dumb as a serf accepting a King is in charge instead of them
You're live could look like a vacation MOST of the time and instead you defend the civilization child abusers built. Grow up.
69Voltage
I miss him
johnxbear
JuanaRIP
I love that em got a dap instead of a handshake
katolu
You learned, OP. That's huge.
jenofthelake
We could have had the nice lady with all the great energy and ideas.
MadamPuddifoot
But her laugh! /s
Fucking idiots.
eastend666
How can you not love the guy?
Timpani
Skilled orator with great timing.
RocketKokket
He did a lot of shitty things like most American presidents. He was definitely a big part of American imperialism and worsening the chokehold of the military industrial complex on all of us. And it’s important to not romanticize him because of his charisma. But also dang I miss how charismatic that man was.
BlueDsc
I miss having a President that wasn't actively working to destroy the country.
Heh, I had to delete my initial comment cause of quite a bad typo.
Unknownhost7
..are you high?
Nobody's perfect and all that, sure ..but holy shit bud...this is the type of shit that got us where we are now.
Obama despite faults was hands down the best thing America's had since it's inception.
GroverKerr
Yeah, it's exhausting right? I'm far-left both economically and socially, but many American progressives, especially on social media, are too fucking stupid to know how to win power. They think it will come in some sort of singular moment and person instead of through decades of hard work via millions of failed, flawed human beings.
They're constantly messiah seeking and then attacking anyone who fails their ever changing redlines.
RocketKokket
I think it’s just that the bar is so low for politicians that we are like it’s ok that he bombed civilians in Yemen because he was better spoken than the last guy and was charming
Syko73
Above and beyond all else, just a genuinely decent human being
flyingmonkeystick
He was much better than Trump but let’s not go around calling him a decent person. He was a piece of shit too.
mksu
I think it's important to not let anxiety over fascism make us yearn for better, but still inadequate presidents just because they're dripping with charisma.
thinkybrainpains
Take the bus that gets you closest to your destination
mksu
Obviously, but you're still supposed to aim higher.
eetsumkaus
or maybe don't get so hung up on the driver and just focus on getting yourself to the destination.
mksu
I am quite literally telling people to stop obsessing about the guy who used to drive the bus.
eetsumkaus
and I'm pointing out that him not being perfect is no reason not to yearn for him.
mksu
It's weird to be that hung up on an irrelevant dude who wasn't even that good in the grand scheme of things.
certainlynotaserialkiller
BeckyLookAtHerButt
He wasn't perfect, but I prefer him to this one.
MenloPart
Perfect is the enemy of good.
mormacil
Never settle for bad because there's a worse alternative.
BeckyLookAtHerButt
I'll take bad over evil.
mormacil
Obviously but less go for the other options, like neither. It's not like Trump and Obama are our only options.
TexMexHex
Name 1 good president, ever. Ill wait.
Mechwarrior719
Eisenhower, Roosevelt (pick one), Washington, Lincoln.
And the Presidential Wall of Shame winner is… It’s a tie between Buchanan, the president whose actions led directly to the American Civil War and Donald Trump.
TexMexHex
Just a heads up Washington loved his slaves.
Mechwarrior719
I didn’t say he was perfect. Both Roosevelts had some interesting opinions, too. Lincoln didn’t give a damn abolishing slavery until it became convenient. Eisenhower wasn’t an angel either.
People are nuanced and the bad needs to be acknowledged alongside the good.
vidmagnuson
FDR refused to support Anti-Lynching laws, worked quite hard to try and clear Mexican Americans out of America, and signed the order to put Japanese Americans into internment camps.
Teddy forced Native Americans off their lands, expanded the Monroe Doctrine, and ordered a dishonorable discharge of an entire company of soldiers because they were accused of killing two people despite their evidence of their innocence.
Yes, they both did good things, but let's be consistent here.
mksu
Andrew Johnson needs to be in the mix for worst for his role in undermining Reconstruction.
Mechwarrior719
He’s in my bottom 10, certainly.
MalachiNails
Obama is a great man, was a great President. Our problems however, are such that they cannot be solved, we cannot be 'saved', by One Man. That kind of thinking got Trump elected.
We need more engagement, more local voting and participation, better discourse and educated debate, and less dunk-on-you, own-the-fill-in-the-blanks division. Americans spend so much time, energy and tax dollars going after other Americans (and residents).
STONES1975
I miss President Obama!!
DutchCraft2050
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cjFhcWZkazB4djg5bWFsc21wdXU2enM1eW1sa2lvc2FnMm1mbWJidyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3o7qDSOvfaCO9b3MlO/200w.webp
Clayman8
This is what a president should be.
daguq
Oh, he dropped bombs for sure - on poor people in foreign countries.
theskepticinme
I like that he valued intelligence and I felt that he was well intentioned and willing to compromise. It’s important that more leaders share these traits no matter their stance on issues
Pizzeption
Can we just elect a dog as president at this point? I truly believe things would be so much better.
forestfart
Since i have seen this "Obama Means Family" - post, i sometimes see him (Obama) showing up in my dreams. My dreams are not about him, but sometimes he is just there and talks with me for minute or so, about what just happened and how it would make him feel or what he thinks about what just happened for me (in my dream). I am not from America. I have never been in america, or very engaged with worlwide politics (until recently).
forestfart
Imagine everytime you wanna talk with your closest friends about a dream, the first question you always get is: "Was Obama there?"
Donfolstar
I miss having a POTUS I could hate the regular amount. Enough charisma that you can actually listen to them speak (or even enjoy it with Obama) and policies that ranged from great to good to disappointing to only sometimes infuriating, but mostly good enough. Having to live twice through a POTUS with anti-charisma and only bad policies you have to hope the courts will stop has killed my faith in this country.
measuredby5
No other president will measure up.
Tracendo
I was at this event!!!! It was sooo cool!
jezebel2718
During the Obama presidency Imgur had memes. Memes like the ones with Biden. Wholesome. Now we are flooded with atrocity after atrocity. It's not funny. It's not wholesome. I miss Obama too.
MenloPart
I liked the Biden ones, too.
CaptainWARLORD
"I wish that I had been more objective at the time." Well... don't we all? I've always wanted to visit America. That hasn't been the case for many years now. A shame, really. Obama was one of the few people in the world I'd have loved to shake hands with.
SpecialIdiot
Kamala should have won
Jamnew60
It feels so long ago that we had a President we weren’t ashamed of.
MenloPart
I liked President Biden, but wish he had been elected earlier.
certainlynotaserialkiller
ChaosMemeMachine
I liked Obama for what he was at that point in history, but even he wouldn't dismantle the AI surveillance apparatus that's currently being deployed in places like MN. The next POTUS has to make that commitment. We saw how fast Trump and Co slapped death camps together. Never again needs to be taken seriously.
GroverKerr
Yeah, turns out you'll never have a fucking super hero, flawless, messiah. I'd say it's good you finally realized this, but I can tell you haven't learned anything, and you'll keep searching for salvation and throwing tantrums when elected officials turn out to be flawed humans just like you.
gronzilla
The thing is, he wouldn't be giving corporate entities unbridled access either. The both-sidesism is harmful. As the OP commented "wish that I had been more objective at the time."
WoeToHice
I didn't write the comment you replied to, but it doesn't look like a "both sides" argument to me. It looks like a "learn from the past and change the future" argument.
gronzilla
Fair enough. I did read it is that though, in context.
ChaosMemeMachine
This. It's crazy because anywhere else in the world, and Obama is centre right. I was saying expecting the right wing to protect you from the extremists on the right wing is the failing strategy that got things to this point.
ChaosMemeMachine
I'm not both-sidesisming shit. I'm saying that a middle-right candidate like Obama would never save you from a far right candidate. They are both ok with building the tools to oppress, so end of the day the more fascists side is going to end up with them.
gronzilla
Oh. That's spitting truth. Sorry for misreading it, though I'll leave it up in case more people read it that way
ChaosMemeMachine
Fair. If someone had said what I'm saying to you a decade ago I would have gotten a bit offended and ready to throw down too. My only regret in all of this, was not getting started sooner. They stole an election from Gore and no one got in trouble. Conspiracy hat says they stole from Hillary (they wipped a GA server before anyone looked at it in a county that won by a single vote) and there's indication they stole it from Kamala. They are going ot do it again even if they have to shoot to do it.
JesaraB
Dpatgotbanned
His drone strikes didn't miss.
TheRealArclight
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
daguq
lol - imgur has to hide comments like these because it spoils their nostalgia for a president they have invented.
onushka
From a president which first action was to get rid of all progressive movements who brought him there.
bigblindguy
Yeah, when he said he was calm and ready to drop bombs, loads of middle easterners got extremely nervous.
TheAdjuster
man...it really goes to show you how racist/sexist america really was that they chose to vote for fatass again over Harris/Walz. i still wish she would have picked Mark Kelly from AZ.
certainlynotaserialkiller
please use current and/or future tense, not past tense. america IS and will be racist.
MenloPart
Always upvote the freaking astronaut.
CaptainWARLORD
Is, not was.
TheAdjuster
i know. was meaning i was talking about the election time, hence it was in the past.
CaptainWARLORD
I know you were.
TheAdjuster
frenofafren
The rest of the world miss him too. It was nice when you guys had a president that didn't need to be on the news every single night.
pareidoliaperson
America exposing its butthole 4 more years.
Noahbalboa82
If Trump tries running a 3rd term, I'm hoping Obama runs too
anononanonanona
He had a good personality and 100% I'd pick him over Trump but he fucked us over by not using the full power of his office to shore up the republic agains the GOP. For example, he *CHOSE* not to leverage recess appointments out of what, some unrequited sense of decency? We should have had at least one more decent SCOTUS judge.
SmartAssWithAKeyboard
*every 5 minutes for 15 fucking years non-stop.
yamsonyamsonyams
No Obamas campaign of drone and night raid warfare that terrorized the citizens of Afghanistan went mostly unreported
I have a friend who was an army ranger and they abducted a lot of people from their homes at gunpoint in the dead of night
You ever see John Oliver’s reporting that kids in Afghanistan looked forward to cloudy days because there were fewer drones in the sky?
All under Obama, who also knew about the Epstein files
Just sayin
eetsumkaus
well I'm not sure about the REST of the world...a good chunk of the West perhaps
DocWino
He wasn’t what I consider a “good” president but he is a better man.
KuroFluff
Biden got much more done in his time, but I would say a good president is one who at least improves things a bit while not embarrassing or destroying good things.
TheRealArclight
really what he did to bring this country back from almost economic disaster in 2008....come on now.
WhoReadsPeoplesUsernamesAnyway
Seing something like this I come to think maybe President of the United States is simply not a "good" job to have. What would it really take? Maybe no matter how good of a person you want to be it's just bound to turn out shitty somehow in the end.
DocWino
I don’t know why anyone would want it except to line your pockets.
WhoReadsPeoplesUsernamesAnyway
I'd imagine if you have been a politician for life over decades it's a very honerable goal. At the same time I'm sure after 4-6 years almost every potus was reliefed the US constitution has a 2 term limit for being president. Do you remember these before and after pictures showing Obama, Bush, Clinton? It's like they've been aging decades instead of years being in office.
madjo
The countries he drone struck don't miss him, but I understand what you mean, Obama was 10000000 times better than the toddler currently in the white house.
savagesong
He was the perfect establishment republican president.
dorpjorp
I almost miss nuculer...nukaler...George W.
TheRealArclight
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
mychesthairlookslikeacatsass
His drone strikes were his answer to the generals and GOP officials that wouldn’t let him pull troops out. Biden said it was the single biggest failure of his career and I might agree if I knew all the details. Biden promised if he won he would remove the troops since his believers his son died from Burn Pit complications. I’m not excusing his behavior but the blame is shared for the entire staff he is just the fall guy
Freakscar
I'd say you cannot be "the perfect US president and never get your hands dirty". The job comes with that kind of baggage, always. Obama wasn't 'perfect' either, but compared to who the US has voted in right now, by all hells, he was better in every regard, INCLUDING drone strikes. Like, the strikes themselves are definitely a thing that can be discussed ad absurdum. But he didn't do so without consent from the senate, just as an aside. Or kidnap foreign dignitaries. Or rape kids. List goes on.
Cbouch4rd
Key qualifier in there is US President, so thanks for including it. With US history in the 20th century it has to be next to impossible to be a president and not have some blood on your hands. Many other countries it's hard but not impossible.
esparadrapo
Not that he was any good. He was still the president of the country fucking up everything domestic and foreign.
TheRealArclight
bertchstudio
No he sucked ass too
Just like we shouldn't tolerate a king
We shouldn't tolerate a president or CEO
Anywhere on earth.
ThinkThisOut
The downvotes are pretty telling that people don’t care that the drone strike president was gangster or they have no clue what he did
TheRealArclight
nope.....https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
TheRealArclight
mormacil
Obama was pretty disastrous in the foreign policy sphere though he didn't annihilate US alliances. He normalized drone strikes on civilians. Not that he was remotely as bad as Trump. Don't think anyone since Raegan can hold a candle to Trump but Obama wasn't a great president, just a gifted speaker and not an abject monster.
Cloudypoona
I’m sorry.. what in the fuck are you blathering about
mormacil
What part confuses you? Obama's foreign policy and the expansion of American imperialism coupled with the use of illegal drone strikes?
TheRealArclight
BS.....https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
mormacil
Are you arguing Trump is worse? I never said Obama was worse than Trump, I said neither was good. Obviously Trump is worse.
TheRealArclight
lol my argument is that..you dont know what you are talking about...
imlonelyforonlybeingtwentyeight
How sad your life must be that you have to make yourself angry just so you dont accident feel joy. Its okay bro, you can relax and go for a walk, life is a spectrum and youre experiencing a miniscule fragment of it by choosing to eat your own shit
bertchstudio
Honey every single idiot that thinks a boss or president should have any power over others? Is as dumb as a serf accepting a King is in charge instead of them
You're live could look like a vacation MOST of the time and instead you defend the civilization child abusers built. Grow up.
Rips4w
You must suffer from a shit ton of nosebleeds.
exbenedict
Seriously. Go touch grass. A lot of it.
bertchstudio
Honey I'm Indigenous. I'll plant grass and trees on top of every parcel of land the military "owns"
GroteB
Preferably from the underside.