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GimcrackGewgaw
Sinaloa had an advantage: they were quite willing to destroy the city and kill 100s of people in the battle
captainsmitty
When are people going to realize Mexico is now a feudal government structure?
Fokeiro
Pussies...our marines, army, navy etc wouldnt take that shit
tsunamijoe
mexican isis
Lovingimpaler
Wish they were mexican waswas
OneOfEarthsGreenLanterns
They shot down a helicopter in the process as well.
nakedbassist
I see no one picked up the beer can yet. No wonder this country is falling apart.
atomiccheesegod
Beat the Mexican army? The cartel are all former Mexican army
Greymalum
That's horrible.
Gacva
But this image is a week old?
Yetticrabs
happydayzgoby
Plus they're having a refugee crisis so that's a double fuck right there
ImJustHereToMakePeopleCry
Double fuck you say?
Tamttai
"Just". That pic and the news is about a week old, isnt it?
brassmule
5 days ago, October 17th, 2019. Not an event widely covered in the news, for some reason.
penguinscience101
Well first I heard of it unfortunately
Mimicyu
Same, here the news is focused on HK, Brexit, Harry and Meg with a bit on the US and Turkey thrown in
NotaCPA
Welp, what would you expect when one of those groups makes millions of dollars a week in global revenue while paying little to no tax.
NotaCPA
They're lucky they didn't pull out their attack choppers and beat the army into submission
JubGregMontes
you must know that they had the military's family surrounded ready to beat them if they didn't release Ovidio Guzman "El Chapito" W.W.Y.D.
montemanm1
But I thought Mexico had "gun control" laws??
DanielMartnOntiverosVizcarra
the guns come from USA
ESama
You can have guns, but is illegal to have these powerful specific ones, so they bring them illegally from... USA.
Garmontl
The cartel IS the Mexican Army.
RobertDeal
Totally correct.
EverydayEve
At this point, all you can do is make drugs legal. See what happens.
uoeno
Extortion.
GhostsofRazgriz
Which ones though?
pacificplinker
All of them. Your body your choice. Don’t wanna do heroin? Don’t.
EverydayEve
ones the killing us all about. It's sad but lots of ppl addicted to drugs in a small area seem no worse than mass violent sadistic killings
mas0chist
pitiful
Deathwing777
Link to the article would be nice
RobertDeal
https://elblogdelnarco.com/
Deathwing777
I'm not clicking that
cleans3r2718
Legalize them now. All of them
Cybrwzrd
I don't want the cartel members here. Why offer them amnesty?
Leeloothedog
he is saying legalize drugs therefore cutting cartel profit. i think.
Cybrwzrd
Wouldn't the cartel just switch to selling them legally and muscle out competition and control the supply, not hurting their profits?
Leeloothedog
yea probably. harder for them 2 do in the US tho. so if we legalize it would dent cartel profits
Graylinfaux
Pretty sure a gun in your mouth or that your daughter will end up dead if you undercut them will still be their go to....
pacificplinker
And the left wants open borders.
ESama
Is more about USA legalizing and producing their own drugs. The cartels will find another illegal stuff to do tho.
prolorus
Fox News lie. NOBODY wants “open borders”
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Reagan did.
starkart
It sure looks that way....
starkart
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-schuck-immigration-open-borders-democratic-debate-20190702-story.html
starkart
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/
Dovaskus
Opinion pieces have no place in factual debate. Please re-source.
starkart
There are no facts. All MSM does is spin the wheel. Fox, CNN, ABC? Factual? No. Whatever you believe is what you want to believe.
BunnieWigglesworth
"Anti-wall" does not mean wanting open borders. Even if you're anti-(brown)-immigrant, building/maintaining a ~2000 mi long wall is silly
tooomanystevesgotbanned
This Day in History or current events?
Nusete
Past weekend
notabadlyphotoshoppedimageofyourmom
Both
CapitalNick
Yes
lawideas
Mexico is the end result of 50 years of single-party rule. Simple as that. When there's no risk of losing power, governments get corrupt.
ESama
Curious that the left party keep the narcos under control by negotiation. Right party took over and made a fuss with a all out war and lots-
ESama
of mini cartels started to appear and become dangerous. The "la granja" song/corrido [GTA V] is all about that issue. The actual government-
ESama
[socialist lefties] don't have a idea of what to do and the narco now has them under their thumb.
brassmule
But we don't need a border wall between us and a failed state. :okay_hand:
RobertDeal
We don't need a wall, we need americans to stop buying drugs.
starkart
Which of these two you think is simpler to achieve?
RobertDeal
neither one,
starkart
So no solution... or both?
ESama
The hard to get them in,the more people will pay for the product and the nastier cartels will become.Is more about drug control than walls.
howcanmirrorsbereal
Legalize all the drugs.
checkcheckheyhey1212
This was a few weeks ago, they in turn freed the cartel boss's son from jail
brassmule
"A few weeks ago" lol. It was Thursday, October 17th. 5 days ago.
checkcheckheyhey1212
Damn time flies
masterofmuppets13
This happened last thursday. Battle of Culiacan.
checkcheckheyhey1212
Damn really , seems like weeks ago
Theinternetwasinventedforveryimportantscience
No such thing as breaking news on Imgur, everything's a repost of a repost.
brassmule
It happened on Thursday, October 17th, 5 days ago.
RacecarRoadcar
Also, it was the Police not the Army.
Theinternetwasinventedforveryimportantscience
There isn't a big difference between police and army in Mexico as far as I've heard.
ztygs
As far as I heard they've called in special forces afterwards tho, so it might be the army now.
Il1kepuns
Oh dear.
datpo
TheRushToNothing
Oh no.
WolvenLore
-sips coffee a little slower-
thecheesedip
So about this wall...... can we make it bulletproof? And RPG-proof? And tank-proof?
Rodrodington
Can we make it airplane proof?
yborn
The cartels will continue to win as long as they are dealt with as a crime problem. They are the equivalent of a nation state, and the only
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legalisegaymarijuana
Dude you're an idiot
thesimple
The fact that you think cartels run on nothing but drug money shows you have no knowledge over this topic
AstarothMagus
Maybe instead of expecting people to stop doing drugs, something most humans still do today in some form or another, we could 1/3
AstarothMagus
decriminalize and regulate. This would get rid of the cartels cash flow. As long as a demand for drugs exist (which there always will) 2/3
AstarothMagus
then there will be people willing to fill that demand in exchange for money.
KaptajnKaffe
Arm the populace, make them Hate and attack the cartel. Paint them as a enemy of the hard working mexican - make the cartel hunted.
sqeewew
Sinaloa's already one that battle dude... the people LOVE them in that area. They do public works and stuff the government doesn't.
Tequilamockingbird87
STOP. SELLING. GUNS.TO.THE.CARTELS!!!! Simple solution, if 10 of your guns end up in Mexico. You should be banned from buying guns
otiumCatulli
Stop buying fucking cocaine too
nabacular
Boldnof you to speak out against Eric Holder years after he left the White House
KaptajnKaffe
Well Mexico got strong gun control so everything is fine! Wait..
boblives
Yeah America us the problem here, a lot of there guns are purchased legally in the US and then smuggled back across the border
ODSTsRule
Alot as in - last time i read about it - more than 95% of them
boblives
Yeah if I said like all of them I would've been down voted, I said a lot and got down voted anyway
Igotlostinusersub
Or straight up stolen and traded for meth it's why ATF, FBI, and Homeland security all have counter drug operations now
RBLKT
Exactly!
GhostsofRazgriz
So Obama shouldn't own guns considering Operation Fast & Furious?
prolorus
Fast and furious was started by Bush
shubard
Do you have any sauce? Im genuinely interested
Unklejrad
WHY.DO.PEOPLE.TYPE.LIKE.THIS.AND.THINK.IT.MAKES.WHAT.THEY.SAY.MORE.IMPORTANT.?
OtterAvalanche
Because it is speech to text and tries to convey emphasis on every word, like one would speak to an idiot?
Unklejrad
Wut?
B4DF15H2
I take it as indicator of them being wrong, and an asshole about it.
yborn
Way to win is with a military mindset of complete destruction
MakimasFavoriteTie
I have to agree, that dichotomy is the fog they desire.
mt77932
So exterminatus then
itslikewhoa
Or you know, we could legitimize them by legalizing drugs and force them to operate as businessmen?
stormtrooper412
you mean, nuke them?
chaseNC
That still won't work. They are like a hydra, cut off the head and another will take it's place. Only way to win is to legalize drugs (1/2)
thecheesedip
Have you seen the opioid crisis in America? That's with legal drugs. Big pharma is terrifying, and STILL haven't had to admit any guilt.
deathslayer4
Those drugs aren't legal outside of prescription, and yet...
chaseNC
The opioid crisis started the addiction with legal drugs but when they cracked down and those addicts went to illegal drugs is when (1/2)
chaseNC
the deaths started to skyrocket. Also, most of those "legal" drugs were obtained illegally. Legalization would beat the cartels but it (2/3)
freckledkink
As someone who take prescription opioids for legitimate reasons, and will have to do so for the rest of my life, I've asked my doctors about
freckledkink
The opioid crisis. The govt said Drs weren't prescribing enough for every little thing in the early 2000s. Most people who are addicted get
chaseNC
and cut off their revenue stream by making drugs so cheap that selling them is no longer as lucrative. (2/2)
orginelenaam
Fracturing the cartels may not decrease the amount of product, but it will stop groups from getting powerful enough to own police 1/2
orginelenaam
departments, politicians and have access to so much heavy weaponary. 2/2
iwishihadanamazingusername
This. 1000 times this. And also the Mexican government needs to step up their game and provide better public benefits to local communities.
Gulanga
They will just get into politics and go against legalization, in order to secure their market. They probably already are.
Everyfootisalegend
This.
GhostsofRazgriz
The only issue is they'll peddle harder drugs, the cartels don't sell marajuana anymore because it's usually produced domestically by...
GhostsofRazgriz
...rednecks. This is why they've been pushing heroin and narcotics heavily. Which is something a little harder to justify deregulating.
FractalPrism
they will turn to trafficking or something else
BaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaBATMAN
Then just legalize traffic.
Graylinfaux
If they're willing to kill now what's gonna stop them then? They just transition to another form of organized crime. And having seen the 1/2
Graylinfaux
Brutality of the cartels first hand, I seriously doubt they'll make a peaceful transition and remain peaceful. It's just business as usual.
vikingvampireangel
Everyone beats the Mexican army. Texans, Americans, cartel. Even The Mexican army has beaten the Mexican army at least a half dozen times.
ESama
The worst enemy of the Mexican army are the politicians giving them orders.
ionicseraph
The French didn't...
vikingvampireangel
The French are a notable exception in the realm of winning anything.
SwagicalYololord
At least within the last 200 years
BlindGardener
They do alright in the Olympics
krakenwagen
They always chicken out
lovit487
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
ShinjizIkari
We dont need no Water let mutha Burn.
Jimmitho
burn motherfncker, burn
Hobojojo85
I saw footage of this a few days ago. Cartel members had .50 cal machine guns mounted on top SUVs & .50 cal sniper rifles. They are an army.
redindian3922718
Yes, make your way into Trump Country with all that weaponry release the beast, go as a united team- the cartel and the poliziA
charliegrs
And RPGs and LAW rocket launchers. They are basically as well armed as ISIS at this point
liebermandean11
The Army should use Artillery
jcw99
In a densly populated area of civillians.... yea right...
flacoloco
you are correct. there have been reports saying that whole army units defected to the cartel. e.g. the Zetas are actually ex-mexican SF.
noobkiller664
Not only that but they were armed and trained my the US as an anti-cartel unit
agermanguy
Man that's sad. Wonder how long this system will held together.
Derpppppppppppp
Just needs a wall and all problems gone.
WackyArmInflatableArmFlailingTubeMan
Sarcasm or nah?
Derpppppppppppp
Lots of it, atleast in my mind. Possu disagrees. Possu is like little piggy in Finnish. Potus reminds me of Possu.
TroyLoModel
The gun ban in Mexico seems to be working pretty good
charliegrs
Uh yeah it goes well beyond that. Corruption is core problem in that country. Can't fight a cartel when the politicians and police are
TroyLoModel
The joke is the criminals always keep there guns and find ways to get more. Mexico is my case and point.
charliegrs
On the cartel payroll.
humantoe
Only difference between these guys and US amateur militias is the trailer parks
Artio
they also had a m72 light anti tank weapon
eldave308
Most of that weaponry was probably purchased from american companies as well.
Justinicus
Well yeah. Everything US made was originally purchased from a US company. But selling directly to cartels? A defense contractor?
eldave308
No directly through our government. Most of the Sinola cartel was trained by the us military as well.
BalphEubanksLeftNut
Through the CIA most likely.
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
Well, I guess they could call the US and ask for some attack helicopter backup. .50s aint gonna help with that... Unless they got stingers.
Sephers
There is a squadron of A10s at an AFB just south of Tucson... Just sayin' :)
amonKing
They've taken down military helicopters in the past. Jalisco 2015
jcw99
The video's above shows one wof them with a LAW, wouldn't be surpised if they had other high yield gear aswell.
PiffTheMagicDildo
When the cartel is being attacked, they start killing innocent civilians until the good guys give up and just let them have their way.
PiffTheMagicDildo
You can’t fight to cartel, if you do, hundreds of thousands of civilians could die.
HarbingerOfThis
Well that's war then. More died in WW2. Or, you let them start their own country...
StormWingDelta
Well you can you just have to make sure to kill all of the cartel members before they can kill anyone. :)
Hobojojo85
The problem is they also set fire to cars to make road blocks. As a result, they are in a boxed in urban center SURROUNDED by civilians.
ESama
And they threatened to attack civilians and military families before they were deployed on the streets.The government didn't knew what to...
ESama
...do and the stuff escalates very quickly. 55 inmates escaped from the local penitentiary too.
Wrenchthrower281
Also not bound by any ethics or rules of engagement
idiosamatik
and they're wearing street clothes
bonly89
And America has an isolationist President...
pookieeatworld
They took a page from insurgents' playboy the middle east...
ZazzRazzamatazz
Eww I would NOT want to touch the insurgent's playboy...
pookieeatworld
Playbook* god dammit...
DropKickHead
The 50 cal was invented originally for the purpose of shooting down aircraft. Nothing on this planet wants to get shot at by a 50
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
This.
Snausagebort
This.
StormWingDelta
It'd be cheaper to send in a swarm of remote controlled drones that anyone wouldn't bother wasting ammo on to kill these guys. O_o
Soviet74
Depends on aircraft and helicopter and their range, A10 and Su25 able to withstand some 23mm to their fuselage without problem
grimnorseman
Least of all a 50.cal Raufoss NM140 MP...
APUSHMeOffACliff
The Hind would like to have a word with you
DropKickHead
A Hind D??????
MedicSailor
Uh, a 50 cal would in fact do damage to a cobra or a blackhawk.
Dagordae
Almost like helicopters are light vehicles and 50s are literally designed to fuck up light vehicles. Sure the gunner would come down with a
Dagordae
Terminal case of explosions almost immediately, but they would still do damage.
Owlberightback
Dunno, our gunships can attack from a much longer range than those .50s can hit
iwishihadanamazingusername
The US provided all those weapons...
Owlberightback
Not all of them. But yeah, most of those look like US variants
Justinicus
To the Mexican government, pretty common.
iwishihadanamazingusername
Look up Opp Fast and Furious
Mithi
and the US people paid for them.
starkart
Who sold them those weapons?
Onimgurinsteadofworking
Probably the CIA.
iwishihadanamazingusername
Yup
SaltyInternetPirate
Given that Mexico's new president is an honest leftist, it would be shocking if the US didn't arm cartels there.
ChampionChains
They've been armed long before he came into office.
iwishihadanamazingusername
Rather than taking money from them, the current Mexican president wanted to save lives.
KaptajnKaffe
But it is okay! Because Mexico banned all military firearms, so there is no problem...
iwishihadanamazingusername
Actually they banned all firearms.
DrinkingPenguin
We armed them, and it was uncovered. But the president sitting at the helm at the time will be a surprise.
charliegrs
Oh please they have been well armed for decades. Fast and furious was a drop in the bucket for them.
SnufflesWasMySlaveName
Lincoln, I knew it!
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
Just found a clip. Thats a fucking .50 rifle yeh, geez.
MightyPandaBoy
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MACARLOS
The army need tanks
deploratus
Sauce me?
Kallistonia
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=sinaloa+site%3Aliveleak.com&s=g
kojo2047
Previous post literally said "just found a clip", it's a reasonable expectation they might have a link on hand. No need for lmgtfy snark
IHaveUnpopularOpinions
And in that lmgtfy they are referencing the site Liveleak, might as well just post the link
MasMalaQueTeresa
Here's some footage from the news https://youtu.be/1tk5a5Jya3c
Fifivefo
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yoonese
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Hobojojo85
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/10/17/el-chapos-son-captured-sinaloa-cartel-assaults-police-hq-for-rescue-attempt/
Owlberightback
The dude with the AK in the back of the truck turned around with the barrel pointed at his buddy ?
stondeed
This is nowhere near a credible source. A guy who is tripping his balls off would be more credible
kojo2047
Fuck Breitbart, get a better source.
vikingvampireangel
Just turn on your ad blocker and wade in.
mepechedode
https://twitter.com/rt_com/status/1185616601724276738?s=21
ceramicpear
VodkaReindeer
So dangerous. Don't put your LMG on the dash, what if the airbag goes off!
PaulSchaapman
Holy fucking shit. Those cartel members got some equipment!!!
Pokegeologist
No shit. That's either an RPG-27 or M72A2. Pretty much the same thing, one's a Soviet copy of stocks captured in the Vietnam War.
mightyfp
That's a SAW in the thumbnail
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
They also got a LAW in the car xD
PleaseLeave
Congrats for drugs on winning the war on drugs.
BlindGardener
Also congrats to poverty for winning the war on poverty.
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
*continually and consecutively being u defeated
jew666
We (the US) should take notes.
ICantCount
Again
imjeremiad
and all the american druggies who funded these atrocities
hugozaanen101
Also the american gun industry for supplying the cartels
Honorius77
Well, you gotta hand it to those cartels. They just wanted it more.
pacificplinker
Legalize drugs, and the cartels disappear. Put a tax on the sale of them, use tax revenue for infrastructure, and addiction resources.
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
The Cartels have enough politicians in their pockets to ensure that wouldn't happen
teakasaurus
But not enough to avoid going to war with the Mexican army?
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
war doesn't have to go through the legislative branch in Mexico like passing laws does
EmberFiretail
Yeah, they are sure to just disappear overnight with no violence, did you know vacines also cause autism?
cucumbersmell
Legalize, Educate, Regulate
PleaseLeave
Legalize cannabis, use the tax money to fix roads, call it operation pot hole
SpartaWillBurn
How original
smellsmiketeenspirit
It's a blunder, his first strike was really good.
snarflex
We're trying to get rid of opioid dependency and you want to legalize meth etc.?
SeniorSal90s
Yup, any other questions?
NewLifeNewNameNoOneWillFindMeHere
Bruh opioids are legal.
linonono
Well you would still have to do it the right way. But legalizing drugs ist one of the best ways to combat drug violence!
snarflex
Also, what makes you believe that powerful business interests--e.g. cartels--wouldn't simply control this new market?
MoltenFireGodDude
Its way cheaper to pay taxes and follow a regulated maket rather than waging literal war,
Yprox5
Cheaper for who war generates revenue; creates jobs, funnels tax payers money. Also being corrupt can make you very rich.
loismustdie
How much cash does the mafia make nowadays from bootlegging?
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Legalization ruins the mark up. Look up what Capone said about dairies.
smellsmiketeenspirit
I have this crazy idea... what if cartels are lobbying to keep it illegal ?
firelilly452
Didn’t they lose it cause the cartel won?
nclu
Drugs hired the cartels to fight as mercenaries.
BishlamekGurpgork
I would that the cartels are on drug's side.
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iwishihadanamazingusername
Well if American would stop consuming so much drugs, there wouldn't be a market for them.
MasterGed
Well maybe if life wasnt such a fucking shitshow wed stop
DickMundee
It's definitely not just America's fault
Aeav8r
Shhh everything is America's fault
HoodsBallsOnASkillet
And how much of that goes into the pockets of the people who are supposed to stop it?
iwishihadanamazingusername
Quite a bit, but also the cartels provide jobs and at times better public benefits than the local government can ever provide.
Taxicat
That’s basically how the Mafia started: immigrant communities were being mistreated by the authorities and couldn’t depend on 1/
Taxicat
the established organizations for protection or welfare or anything else, so someone eventually filled that gap. 2/
SarcasticComment
Better prices would be nice.
loma45
Then pressure your politicians to legalize everything
likifucrieverytim
Or actuality take the drug war seriously.
priestsaresotouchy
Thats one of the worst things we could do; hell, its one of the worst things we've done. Time to call it & move on.
stankginchfurbuger
Legalization has driven up the process of marijuana in canada
loma45
In the short term. Long term it'll come down
HyenDry
THIS
AwesomeTeddybear
I tried, but they got shot by Mexican drug lords
Fogtripper
Ending the prohibition of drugs would cure SO many major problems.
AnthropomorphisingEverything
What, and be soft on crime?!? /S
BlindGardener
And cause so many others!
Fogtripper
such as...?
BlindGardener
Have you seen Big Alcohol and Big Tobacco? Fuck, even Big Chocolate is pretty nasty.
Fogtripper
All three of those things are legal, and alcohol is the poster child of why prohibition doesn't work. Did people not use them before "big"?
snarflex
We're trying to get rid of opioid dependency and you want to legalize meth etc.?
chupacabraattack
Sure. After natural selection runs its course the problem wont be as bad.
Fogtripper
How is forbidding it working out for you?
gooftroop
This. Banning substances only creates a black market for them. Where there's a demand, there will be a supply.
snarflex
Which is why there should be a big open market for opioids and we should stop suing all these pharma companies?
gooftroop
That's what regulations are for.
Fogtripper
We apparently learned nothing when we did it to alcohol.
BlindGardener
Frankly prohibition achieved it's goal of reducing public drunkenness and alcohol usage. I'm disappointed it's over.
gooftroop
Yep, and the fact that it's legal to go and take 14 shots at a bar but smoking pot in your own home can get you sent to jail is wild to me.
Taxicat
Not banning it at least makes it possible to regulate it to decrease deaths and injury to bystanders, too.
gooftroop
Exactly.
streetfightingeasterbunny
Not to mention setting standard towards potency , I would think overdoses would dramatically decrease if a user knew the strength
Fogtripper
It also allows it to be taxed, which could help pay for treatment of many of the ills seen today.