Spineapples
199259
2011
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Sep 25, 2022 11:48 PM
Spineapples
199259
2011
45
jridley
Even if true, THEY are the ones that decide how big their phones are. I'd rather have a phone 1mm thicker and have a jack.
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
Apple's corporate philosophy? Bleed them dryer than American Healthcare.
TheMomaw
Apple: "We can't add headphone jacks". Also Apple: "Have you seen our 250$ wireless earbuds?"
GuggelPlayer
Make a problem, sell a solution
Bytencoder
Just 500 $ more for the "premium" model that has it.
Bytencoder
These days is cheaper for manufacturers to build hardware to the highest comm denominator, and disable/remove features for "low-end" models
Foxhack
Wait, do American iPhones -not- have a sim tray?
VodkaReindeer
USA ones do not, Canadian ones do
jscuster
When I traveled in Asia I carried a ziploc bag with separate SIM cards for my service in each country. Guess that’s not an option for this.
Fedotia
If you travel in Europe, one sim is all you need. Charging fees within the union is now verbotten.
HumtyFuckty
What? Apple is a lying sack of shit with shit products? Noooo wayyyyyyy
cjandstuff
Watch Google and Samsung remove the SIM card slot within a year or two.
JonatasAM
I will never get over people defending being screwed over. Tell me, when did we start buying what we're told is good and not what we need!?
JonatasAM
A phone I can hold without the touch not working because the screen has no bezels. A phone I can replace the battery. One I can watch videos
djangojazz
(Same shitty hardware that's in other mobile phones): "Put's an apple logo on it" OMG IT's FUCKING REVOLUTIONARY! (has an orgasm in pants)
nero4ty2
Does anyone you know actually talk about phone specs other than YouTubers and journalists?
djangojazz
Meh, it matters somewhat to me as a developer on desktops more. On phones not so much as long
Eidodk
eSim is a terrible idea. It binds you to a provider who supports it. If you're ever in an area without eSim support, you have no phone.
PutinGivingYouANeckMassage
Don't buy their stuff. Problem solved. Apple, Google and LG phones can kiss my boney ass
ChromeIsRubbish
I've had an LG V20, and now a V60. Last phone with a headphone jack and quad DAC. It's a damn shame LG quit making phones.
FellowPerson
Loved the V10. Just died on me on a sad morning :c
suckstoyourauntie
Android is fine. Apple is like a cult.
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Evo435
I thought the issue was they were trying to make phones thinner and the aux port was wider than anything else.
Tarmaccian
There are some options that kinda work (side contacts and a strong magnet) to resolve that, but they won't fit in this space, either.
JonatasAM
There are smaller jacks. Old cellphones used to have them. They could've added a second port also, but didn't.
DeVermisMysteriis
The iPhone is the only Apple product I own. It’s easily the best phone on the market. Not really close either
WheezyLex
Reminds me of Teslas. Easily the best electric cars on the market. Not really close, either.
TheDrunkenWrench
What's your metric? That it runs IOS?
AawesomeAardvaark
Based on what?
CannotBeBanned
Lol
lronMaiden
And that's just your personal opinion. I cannot stand at all how locked in the whole iphone is. Hated every second owning one.
roughingupthesuspect
it wouldn't be "waterproof"
anotherIngloriousHandle
Apple never said there’s no room. they said it’s not waterproof
DeeSaR
Samsung S10 HAS a headphone jack and IS waterproof
AgnosticPaladin
They said both, hoping one of the bullshit reasons would stick.
nygreenguy
I recently discovered you can get a USB c to audio port cord so I can use my headphones on all Android.
JackalopeElope
I entertains me to no end that people line up to buy phones.
victell
The buy them mostly for ios, not the physical phone.
SithShodan
I remember being stoked for my first Nokia, though! A 3310. Got it in 2007, recently found in attic. Damn thing still had 7% battery left.
Vyrro
Geez, you could still use it nonstop for 3 days and still have enough juice left to play snake on a 4 hour flight
SithShodan
I know! It was a real beast. If you ever feel useless remember there was a protective case for the Nokia 3310 :v
ThomasThundersword
yeah Iphone is pointless trash! -sent from my Iphone
keyblader1985
I mean you have to stand in line at some point to check out, unless you buy online
NoodleKeeper
I have never stood in line at a phone store. They usually aren't that busy.
nipaxon
In my early 20's I wanted the latest and coolest phone. No I don't care. As long as I can use internet and listen to music I'm good.
rdewalt
Peer pressure, FOMO, gatekeeping... Got to have it, or you aren't cool.
MenloPart
I had this conversation far too many times: "An iPhone is better!" "Why?" "It just is!"
rdewalt
"I'm keeping my Android, I use NFC for a lot of things" "Apple is getting it next year, and it'll be BETTER". "But... I have it right now."
WeMistbornsNeedNotMakeSense
It disgusts me
SithShodan
Well people should be able to be excited for stuff they like! I agree to a point though, the camperouters can prolly stand to chill a bit.
WeMistbornsNeedNotMakeSense
Disgust me that ppl still support a company that sold a piece of metal for $999.00
MrSatisify
Apple sucks
FeedTheRats
Says the millions and millions of android users
madbydesign
Ironic
JuliusPepperwoodFromChicago
Android users are worse. You fuckers talk about Apple more than anyone I’ve ever known with an iPhone
FeedTheRats
Exactly
DrLOAC
I love Samsungs blistering CPU performance that is now almost caught up to a 2 year old IPhone.
qtRaven
Found the sheep.
DrLOAC
Aw. Don’t be jealous. Other than the mediocre hardware and short software support they make nice cameras.
humblekito
While Apple does have a lot of shitty practices. Google is literally an AD company that tracks everything they can get away with legally.
FellowPerson
This so damn much. As amazing as google services are, I cannot stand ads. I try to separate myself as much as possible from an ad company.>
FellowPerson
At least apple makes most of their money with actually just selling their products. That's something I gladly pay more for.
WeMistbornsNeedNotMakeSense
Dont know why ppl still support Apple. They treat customers like crap.
nero4ty2
How? I’ve always had great experiences, but honestly gave only ever needed support a couple times in the last 20 years
FeedTheRats
I’ve always been treated great
wellembalmed
I heard no jack was for waterproofing. But, like, dont put phones in water. That's that. Give me corded audio back
TheDrunkenWrench
My last 3 samsung phones have been waterproof with headphones jacks. They've ditched the jack, so I haven't upgraded.
ChristopherHallett
My Nokia XR20 has a headphone jack, and the user manual says if the phone gets dirty just wash it in the sink with your dishes.
scuba7jb
My USB-c port is slightly dirty ----> the audio playing apps instantly shut off if it looses contact with the USB earbuds for even 0.001 sec
pfshfine
loses*
Arcygenical
Yep, exactly. Drives me crazy.
ThePakistallion
Lots of expert hardware designers in here all of a sudden. Weird.
Tarmaccian
Funny how that works every time one of Imgur's "acceptable targets" pops up. BTW: That block is smaller than a headphone jack. It won't fit.
LarvaLamp
JonatasAM
Apple doesn't want to pay them. Marketing getting all the money
madbydesign
They never said there wasn’t room.
JonatasAM
That's the beauty of lying. No one will remember it afterwards.
kletskoek
“We’ve got this 50-year-old connector — just a hole filled with air — and it’s just sitting there taking up space, really valuable space”
madbydesign
Taking up space isn’t the same as “there’s no room”.
kletskoek
Keep reading and it says “It was holding us back from a number of things we wanted to put into the iPhone,”
kletskoek
Senior VP Dan Riccio (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/inside-iphone-7-why-apple-killed-the-headphone-jack)
Euchre
The rationale they gave that eSIM is actually easier and simpler to use than a physical SIM is stupid. Calling it more secure is absurd, too
JonatasAM
They don't want you to have a choice. I remember when phone lines were glued to a device. You had to stick to a provider or get a new phone.
Euchre
Yeah, the SIM was supposed to change that. Tracfone used to link SIM and IMEI in their provisioning, preventing simple SIM swap upgrades and
Euchre
device changes, breaking the whole reason SIMs existed. They finally relented a couple of years ago or so, now Apple wants to break it.
FuzzyX
eSIM is largely a scam to force you into a carrier subscription plan with reduced choice.
Arcygenical
My next phone absolutely needs a headphone jack. I can't stand this shit anymore.
frogsnot
Bose QCII 35. Does Bluetooth or wired. Noise cancelling over-the-ear headphones. Best money I've spent.
Sigge1981
All my recent phones have had one. Never used it, tho. Bluetooth headphones, and Bluetooth in my car.
isetprettygirlsonfire
I don't really use mine anymore honestly.
Hrafna55
Have a look at gsmarena.com. 3.5mm jack is on the filters page when narrowing down your search.
ChristopherHallett
Nokia XR20, I love mine, it's fantastic. Does phone stuff, does internet stuff, plays games, is built like Nokias of old. Also cheap.
Comet260
I used to feel this way until I got fucking SICK of shit grabbing the wire and ripping the damn things out of my head.
clarkWhogotsanity
I have Bluetooth or USB c headphones for that even though I have a headphone jack
RoaringTourist
Sony make excellent phones for audio. Or get a high quality USB DAC
audioknob
Oppo phones look like they're keeping them.
MisterLemons
Got a Zenfone 8 here. Fingerprint reader blows and it has no removable storage, but everything else is great.
stonerhino
Nearly every headset I have has the silly lightening to 3.5mm adapter. You can get knockoffs, but they will disable when you attempt to...
ohmanhospitals
Thanks for the info, was using a set for audio and was really frustrated I could not make calls with it. Now I know.
stonerhino
They're kinda duchebags about it, but since ios14 this has been happening. Then make sure you go into settings and set the lightning
stonerhino
adapter to what it is connected to.
stonerhino
use them like a headset on a conference.
Zeefox
But why? Headphone cables are fucking annoying.
Alientongue
I dont get this. Aslong as you give it like 5% of your attention they dont get caught on anything.
Arcygenical
I have several handmade audio systems in my life. Even the best BT receiver I've built, also by hand, pales in comparison to my DSPs
nero4ty2
With “handmade audio systems” you are relying on your phone to deliver the highest quality audio experience? Just more fandroid nonsense
Arcygenical
No, I'm using a macbook pro, currently. The fuck is a "fandroid?", being an OS fanboy stopped being cool in highschool.
Morthera
Yep, I use an aux cable in my car, dongles suck
PrincessWasabi
You can use a portable Bluetooth receiver ! I just bought one on the internet. Audio quality is not bad either
GoliathSkittles
I just got a 3.5mm to usbc cable, what's the problem?
Morthera
I wore out my first one, just got one that splits into a 3.5 and another usbc so I can charge too but it has noise issues
ministryofpeace
My car doesn't aux, I use an fm transmitter
Morthera
Is that Bluetooth to FM transmitter? I've tried those, my cheap monster one sucked though
ministryofpeace
Yep...this was just a cheap one off Amazon...works decently as long as you can find a channel away fr commerical ones
ministryofpeace
It sits in the cigarette lighter for power
ilsalta
The last one I had was a massive pain. Getting a stereo wih bluetooth support was a game changer.
ministryofpeace
The one I had before this sucked terribly, but this one seems ok, as long as it's around 1mhz away from a broadcast channel
AngryGraphicDesigner
The EU requires a physical SIM, which is why the design is like this.
Drknmonkey
Same with Canada. Sounds like next year or so we are transferring to e-sims as well though. I assume depending on manufacturers anyway
altrdgenetics
Does Canadian iPhone14 have the sim slot? I really would rather not have a US eSIM only phone for traveling.
Drknmonkey
It does have a sim slot yet. I would double check the network bands though - I'm not sure the logistics of how it would work outside Canada
ChristopherHallett
So they could have just left it in in every market for simplicity and ease to the end-user. but it's Apple, so FUCK YOU instead.
neamtu
I meaaan, personally i took my sim card out. I’m on e-sim now.. (romania) so that works!
BetichCro
What? Is there a way for a phone to function without physical SIM card?
SenkiAlfonz
No, it doesn't. Companies offer eSIMs in Europe too.
WeaponizedJerk
I’ve never heard of eSIMs until now.
poopgood
Offer it, and -force it are two different things.
tennessine
Why it is EU requirement?
HenryLongfellowIII
Consumer protection laws, most likely.
stonqledisponible2000
In EU we like to be able to choose things. This is why we want physical SIM cards and standard USB charging cables.
brownribbon
Because EU required it.
GraceMcClain
Because very few carriers here offer e-sim.
Steffn
I don't know in which part of the EU you do live but only very few don't offer esim over here.
ImGooder
Cause they make rules for EU.....
drinkthederpentine
Because mandating technology is always a super great idea. /S. Who could have seen a virtual sim coming???(other than everyone)
crateo
Because for the moment given, consumers in EU have way more protections than in USA.
hydrocarbon82
but but but fReEdUmB!
YourSelfMan
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InTangier
By far.
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Squeakybumcheeks
I like both so there is that.
tennessine
UK? UK is not part of the EU anymore. They opted out. EU is more for the consumers than for the corporations.
ChloeRed
And what does that have to do with an EU requirement?
2graves
Why is it not in the US
BillHubbard
Because of a corrupted bipartisan government and an undemocratic racist gerrymandering voting system.
TuckerCarlsonWarnedYouTheredBeGirlsLikeMe
because of corporate interests.
MarcUK
So you can change sim cards and thus providers. You're not stuck with the one that comes with the phone.
ahleron
Once you've paid off the phone/met contract reqs you should be able to unlock it and therefore delete the esim and change it to a new one.
Rabera2
Yes
ahleron
Why would that matter? You can delete esims and add a new one, thereby allowing change of carrier with no physical sim card needed.
bigbadabooooooooooooooooom
There are far more providers globally that offer physical sims than esims. Once esim is widely available, then no more. Blame Verizon.
ahleron
You can have your provider manually enter the sim data as an esim even if they don't offer esims.
usernameusedinlessplatforms2
Do prepaids come as eSim? If not its still restricting consumer choise
ahleron
Yes, for example Mint does.
Richter12x2
Likely to make sure consumers have freedom to choose their carrier.
Baeloro
E sim is becoming the norm. Can still go to other carriers... Can also have more than 1 sim registered without having extra sim slots.
TheEABPro
TIL that E sim is a thing. (I am European)
Richter12x2
Friend of mine (US) is in Germany right now, and just grabbed a sim card at the airport to use data while in country instead of paying roam.
Richter12x2
Seems a lot easier than setting up service with a German telecom for a week.
Richter12x2
Actually, as I think about it, EU had a hard requirement for chips on credit cards, too, don't they? So it might be for security, too.
elvianempire
the magnet strip hasn't been secure for a long long time, which is why chips are a hard requirement.
Zonga
I dunno why anyone ever worshipped Steve Jobs. He was a sociopathic asshole who encouraged an entire culture of toxic consumer design.
SamHodg3s
Sent from an iPhone
ReverseSyzygy
cult / tribalism / etc.
browsererror
Sad but true. Capitalist cults are still cults.
VaultGirl69
People have this idea that figureheads are the ones doing the innovating. As an adult, I now know this is garbage.
welluhwhatdoyouwantmetosay
He sold them the shineys. It wasn't until after he died that people felt comfortable criticizing him.
putcleverusernamehere
The Birkenstock crowd thought he was one of them, while he (probably) wore Guccis, and (definitely) built iPhones with slave labor
espi0920
Yeah, he was a huge piece of shit.
SlytlyDerangd
His dedication to enabling idiocy to sell items at a premium was bordering on genius.
bububub2
They want to be him and think if they pray hard enough the god of assholes will make them into the next one
SirSmurfalot
Yeah, but he made the stockholders a lot of money, and that is literally the only thing that matters in late stage capitalism.
ThePakistallion
His early products lasted decades. Once he was on the way out it got a lot worse.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
Say no more: https://youtu.be/E3s-qZsjK8I
BurlRavenscroft
But he made a translucent pink lollipop of a computer!
akodorokku
Because he was a brilliant monster, and America kinda loves those.
crushingbore
As the years go on we don't really discriminate against monsters anymore.
NotTheUserYoureLookingFor
100%. One thing he did do, though, was make technology accessible (from a GUI perspective) to the masses. OSX and iOS made entry easy
TheFeralDog
But even he would never do shit like this, since his death Apple has gotten FAR worse
waitwut94
Yup it's not gonna get any better either. *grabs 20 years worth of popcorn*
Trunkmonkay
People worshipped jobs because every move he made made billions of dollars. Pixar, apple, saving apple, the ipod, etc etc etc
Pseudosim
Having inherited 2 ipads after my brother passed, theyre completely useless due to apples lockout crap. Real great for the environment that.
16bitStarbuck
Uh, hi, people worship Trump and that's all you need to know to cure your confusion.
kaoticgirl
Because toxic consumerism is the cornerstone of America.
edgeofadhesion
Apple were in the gutter when they unfired him in 1997, and the first major product he oversaw was the iPod. Looked like a genius then.
WoodHandle
Because the Macintosh was ten years ahead of MSDos. As to the phones I have no idea.
fennecbutt
It's an important lesson; that's just what us dumb tribal hoomans do.
valkyrient
How do you milk a sheep? You release a new Apple product.
abobeaver5772
Marketing and PR forms
TarantulaSauce
It’s a shame Steve Jobs died of ligma.
darsebas
Devils advocate. (Fuck apple) jobs cared about the functionality and aesthetics. It was after his death that apple turned for the worse
torillatavataan
Also, he was the only guy in that company that wouldn't accept unresponsive user interface design. Guess which part of his legacy lives on..
datphone777365
Money, he had money. Its always money. Even when they dont have it and its known they lie its the idea of "they are rich".
Groovechild
Jobs is like Trump's evil twin who was actually successful at business.
Rockafella83
Love it or hate it, he just opened the door. The way people use techs is another subject. Maybe ask Zuckerberg' mother who's a Psychiatrist?
Corona688
he revolutionized the industry, several times. you could do desktop publishing on a mac, in 1985, when IBM's still lived in text mode. etc
secretoaster
It was an American innovation that lead smart phone revolution. It was important for the US.
W0lfsbl00d
The smart phone revolution happened without him, he just stole tech and ideas. He was just a great large scale huckster.
3ternum
He forced a lot of ideas that weren't popular that lead to the PC boom
3ternum
Would it have happened without him, ya, was he an asshole, ya. But he DID push for innovation.
wazscience
The guy was a marketing genius that used his likeness to elevate his product such that he became the product he was selling.
Zonga
"marketing genius" is not a thing that should exist in a sane, kind world. Change my mind.
LarvaLamp
I would like you explain why you don't like the idea of a "marketing genius" first.
ShrokNil
I'll do it for him. Marketing is the manipulation of human emotion for the sake of exploiting it for profit.
LarvaLamp
Yes, and?
itsallaboutthecones
Lizard brain like shiny
Zonga
We can make you shinies! You dont need marketing to get shinies! Without marketing, shinies will be EVEN SHINIER!
itsallaboutthecones
But without balding turtle kneck man telling me to like the shiny, how will I know to like THAT shiny and not the other shiny?
JiffyGee
I don’t worship Apple. I like their phones because I like their iOS better than android. Their computers are shit. Asp everything they…
JiffyGee
release is overpriced, but that anything name brand.
victell
Haters fail to realize most people buy iPhone for ios, and don't give a shit about Apple.
MrSatisify
PurityOfEssence
What movie is this from?
LucidPariah
I miss Nancy. He was awesome! But the snowflakes complained he was racist and was removed from the show :/
EisShenron
You know he quit and called the lead black actor a house pet right?
JustHereForTheMemes0321
This! When he walked out or was removed I couldn't watch it anymore
LucidPariah
It didn't even get a final season. Heard it might get a movie to finish the story. Might!
stinkingyeti
It veered from the book a fair bit, but it was going alright i thought, still missed Mr Nancy though
theweezel69
It was his SEP field.
Zonga
His actual employees called it the "reality distortion field"
Ryebread91
Sep?
ArchMagos
Somebody Else's Problem, I believe
Arcygenical
It was back in the tech-billionaire boom. When the common person thought technology was actually going to make our lives better/easier.
Ryebread91
I always wondered what tech we'd have if we kept going the smaller phone route.
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
Pandemic would’ve sucked without a smart phone
AntiProtonBoy
It actually did?
Raoin
I mean.. it did. In a lot of ways. Some bad ways too but overall good.
orangebunnies
The floor is higher for everyone, but now it's cracking, the next floor(ceiling) is moving even higher. The building is unstable once more.
HighwayWizard
Technology is incredibly good at making a better life for us; it's societal development that can't keep up.
LettuceKebab
When I'm drunk, I'm gonna quote you for sure
thri1
Damn good line. I'll try and remember that when I'm attempting to sound intelligent.
Alfadorfox
It does. For those of us who can afford to keep up with increasingly-necessary bits of it. We wouldn't have a lot of the problems we're havi
Alfadorfox
ng now if, instead of making only middle-class people's lives a little bit better and enriching a few billionaires beyond the impossible, we
Alfadorfox
'd instead focused on making sure *everyone's* lives were improved by all this. Capitalism may not ruin literally everything, but it sure do
Alfadorfox
es seem to often make artificially scarce luxuries out of things which should be ubiquitous necessities of life.
wheelsonebuthaditheofffell
maybe, but thank GOD we have an alternative to PC bullshit
IsThisPirateTaken
You realize macs are PCs, right?
DeadeicPrints
We really don't.
itsallaboutthecones
When the IT department tries to issue you a Dell, I am guessing.
Arcygenical
Yeah, the windows as a service forced update stuff caused me to go back to OSX for my daily driver laptop.
vanetz
Linux also exists you know
Arcygenical
Yeah, I've got 2 linux machines around here now. I tried it, but had some issues with HDCP, got frustrated after 8 hours, wiped the macbook.
stonebrood
aaahhh the standard ignorant mac user who thinks their personal computer is somehow not a personal computer. you're like a bad art exhibit
ReturnOfActionCheese
That sounds like something a Mac user would say
wheelsonebuthaditheofffell
And that sounds just like an ignorant pc user
nevernotsure
Weird how it's just freebsd with a shiny coat of paint.
ReturnOfActionCheese
You realise that Mac isn't the only alternative to Windows, right? And Steve Jobs wasn't the only founding member of Apple?
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vanetz
"macs" are PCs with a made-up name to make Apple users feel better about themselves spending a shit-ton of money
Arcygenical
Funny, I almost always hear the PC fanboys crying about them. Your average mac user, like my mom, doesn't give a fuck.
vanetz
Yeah mac users don't cry about them because when they have a problem they just get a new one 'cause Apple won't repair it anyway
wheelsonebuthaditheofffell
No. Macs are PC’s that make sense.
stonebrood
the unnecessary apostrophe really seals the deal here
wheelsonebuthaditheofffell
grammar nazi seals it for me.