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DoctorWhoFarted
I'm just curious whether any of that land in Nevada is still radioactive from all the nuclear tests.
MelfsAcidArrow
Yeah so when the former president complained we weren’t doing more in California about our forests .... dude, they are fed forests
RemuZZZ
Federal land is also kept out of the hands of the Top 5% of wealthiest people in the US. Govt is all of us.
RemuZZZ
I prefer this to it being privately owned, stripped of value, and no one can access it.
3Davideo
Hawaii: We're beside ourselves!
LesbianRedwings
@ScorpionSage so maybe less BLM land on the east?
ScorpionSage
Maybe that’s why there is so much cheap land out there then
wedowedowedo
I used to live in Nevada, and can confirm that it's really inconvenient for us, all squished out on the edges like that.
rbudrick
I think they accidentally the Aleutians.
fryturama
This is only federal though, doesn't count state owned lands that count as national parks. Adirondack national park is the largest in the->
forResearchPurposesOnly
And thank god for that. If it wasn’t for state protection of land you could barely leave your house without trespassing on private property.
fryturama
US, 9375 sq mi. 17% of the area of New York state. People in this post seem to be thinking all other land is privately owned.
lightfoot2
It's a good part of why these states hate the Feds, they're pretty small when you take out the Fed land (which can't be taxed/used/etc)
ThrowAwayAcct0000
This is why camping is much better out west.
3Davideo
That, and the West has actual mountains. The East has, at best, hills.
RonCadillac6
There's a difference between Federal Land and State Land too. Some of the Eastern states have extensive state parks or state game lands
MantisTobogganPilotMD
yeah, the Adirondack Park is over 6 million acres.
Audi0Ghost
I live in SW Pennsylvania and we have a ton of state park/gameland, I'm guessing our small % is the Allegheny National Forrest (massive)
RonCadillac6
Hey I'm also from SW Pa! (Westmoreland) Lots of state lands around, especially in the central and northern parts
Carthes
I live in Upstate NY, the state parks are amazing here.
Peynus
States on the right were inhabited by the USA for longer, so the creep of privatisation (etc) went on for longer. Also higher pop. Density
RonCadillac6
Also, gov land in the east is owned by individual states, not feds
Choboman
That looks like way more than 85% Nevada?
SaveTheMuggles
Wierd they always take the middle
FlatPlutoSociety
No one wants the crust.
PicassoCT
California federales, Clifornia federales. Federales California, über alles California.
DocSMAAAASH
There is a really good CGP Grey video about this
DocSMAAAASH
https://youtu.be/LruaD7XhQ50
phuey2003
of course Kansas is 1%, no one wants a big open space with a bunch of cattle and Republicans.....
TotallyNotASerialKiller
99% is privately owned, so seems like all that good farm/pasture land is pretty popular.
TotallyNotASerialKiller
Unfortunately, the republicans are also pretty popular here. That’s changing slowly though. My county went 55 to 45 percent last year.
BobAllen2004
Nice, Alaska.
ChelVanin
Alaska: nice
beefosupremo
Nice
duo2999
Nice
MossLiner
Noice
smarterthansnakemittens
Actually lots of ice… for now.
LetMeGoogleThatShtForYou
Nice
aytrain
Alaska: ice
glockaf
Nice… until your city/borough/state needs property tax revenue to fund the schools, etc.
Aaronb1138
New plan for that started late 90's and cranked up in 2001. Step 1: Setup conditions to breed hyperinflation in single family homes. Step 2:
Aaronb1138
middle incomes can go f*ck off about home ownership unless they bought the 2008 dip. Step 3: Profit.
G0alden3y3
Nice.
TwinWaterTowers
When I lived in Alaska, and the secretary of the interior came for a visit, people would say that the landlord is coming to check things out
CrazyCatDaddy
Nice
sooperlolzrofl
Nice
oldmate30beers69
69th upvote. Nice
dbap
Nice
Josesharlo
Nice
Starfury42
So when California was on fire a few years back - guess which forests were NOT maintained/thinned. FEDERAL forests.
Malaphore
The official term is "Raked" now days.
KiltedinSeattle
It’s so neat the government protected land that looks exactly like each state and did so in the middle of them! /s
PillsburyFroBoy
Yea. I'm not gonna lie... it took me way too long to realize that it wasn't the case and was for visual purposes only.
YourAverageretardedlemur
It’s kinda sus don’t you think ?
KuroFluff
and that they made an extra chain of islands for Hawaii, so thoughtful!
KiltedinSeattle
Well, they had to keep the good stuff away from the howlies.
AtomicSpatula
Shouldn’t Oklahoma be a lot higher?
chompsahoy
Only if you consider Reservations Federal land
AtomicSpatula
I mean, legally, historically, and otherwise they are, so, in which criteria wouldn’t they be?
pyrokiller47
No people want to buy property on a huge mountain range or the tundra? How strange
MaximCo
Yeah, it drives Utah's republicans nuts that they are not in control of all that land. They would love to sell it to the highest bidder.
dogsqueeze
The problem is that it isn’t generating any property tax income. It actually is causing a large problem for rural education funding.
MaximCo
Does not fed pay something to states to compensate fof the lack of tax revenues?
dogsqueeze
They do, but it is far less than what the state could get from property tax. Something like five times less.
Youhavinagiraffe
How much of each state is owned by Native American nations/ tribes/ reservations/ whatever the proper term is?
beerbellybandit
I’m guessing this map is including that in the “federal” percentage
Youhavinagiraffe
But wasn't a very large portion of Oklahoma returned to the Creek nation last year? Feels like it should be a more than 4% including that
beerbellybandit
It’s not clear from the website - maybe you’re right.
pandro
They (what's left of them) shouldn't be. The Bureau of Land Management gets in their face, but the land has ownership by the Indians. 1/
GlassPHLEGM
I agree that it is right to ask and it's interesting to hear this because all the stats I've seen on this topic include reservations.
pandro
Yeah, trying to find the "fine print" as to what's really included is a challenge. There's almost always an agenda, lol
pandro
It's not fed/state parks and it can't be strip mined or sold off like the gov't can do with federal land. But then, ALL charts, graphs 2/
pandro
and data should be questioned under "How to Lie With Statistics" (1954) principles, so you both are right to ask. 3/3
malexmatt
This is why BLM is so controversial in western states.
Youhavinagiraffe
How does BLM relate to this in any way?
ProThespian
It's the Bureau of Land Management, not Black Lives Matter.
Youhavinagiraffe
Lol, that makes a lot more sense
RidiculousButCurrentlyRelevantAndWittyUsername
Yeah but the point most of them miss is that the land was purchased with fed money the states refused to pay bavk when they became states
aRootinaTootin
That would be Bureau of Land Management...
conflictmuffins
It's pretty much all we have...and Tr*mp tried (did) defunding parks & rec.(As a Native American, I have opinions abt taking ppls land away)
gablestout
Well played...well played indeed
FelixTheAnimator
We should equalize this a bit yeah? More parks in the east!
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Not enough room. The Great Lakes and Northeast Megalopolises together contain 135 million people. And that's not including Southern stuff.
FelixTheAnimator
Some spots need re-wilding though.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Very true. Daylighting of rivers, removal of freeways, etc. But I don't think we'll be wrenching any sizeable national parks out of the 1/
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Eastern United States any time soon.
FelixTheAnimator
Lots and lots of little ones though might be more doable. Combined with greening rooftops & covered parking...
FelixTheAnimator
I'd like to see 50% of every lot (top down view) to be green one way or another.
WehWehWeh
As a non-American, what does this mean?
stulfer
Basically it's the publics land, we all own and get to use it. I live in AZ and it's very nice having so much public land
ameriki
It means We the People of the United States own the property in common. Republicans can't stand this.
VicThrume
As a non-American, it's Nunoyerdamnbidness! Merica! (jk! Plenty of good explanations here!)
thatmugthatsyourfavourite
In Canada its called crown land and camping on it for free is amaaaazingggg
ImAGrower
We're all fucked. Well nature is.
DazzlingCockroach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruaD7XhQ50
KilroyLichking
this should help you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruaD7XhQ50
jamadrien
That did
blionelrob
States that have large tracts of fed land were created after the Civil War when the federal government consolidated control.
ImgurPlz
The blue can be considered park land/federal land. Not owned by individuals.
minibois
CGPGrey did a good video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruaD7XhQ50
pmmeyourgold
Federal Land falls into a few categories: BLM (empty, leftover), Natnl Park (protected) , Natnl Forest (semi protected), and Military
GlassPHLEGM
Also reservations
Gaelwyn
Do reservations count? Aren’t they owned by the tribes which are their own sovereign nations?
arrbos
If you're in a Commonwealth country, it's basically Crown land. In Canada, that's managed by the provinces, but in the US it's the feds.
StephenDaniels
America is weird. Each state has a teeny tiny version of itself in the center.
BreenW
Yes, it's called the "Waco effect" - zealot communities. Eg; for CA its a gay camp. They want federal buildings modeled on 1980's Disco's
ImgurianGeographic
It means a lot of land was established as National Parks and the like. It's quite nice :)
LurkerOfDarkness
And more or less secretive military bases.
GlassPHLEGM
Shhhh!
MichaelAndersen88
National parks are an extremely small part of this land.
evilcarp
It is most BLM land.
AsAHistorian
To clarify, Bureau of Land Management.
evilcarp
Guess we have to note that part. Thanks
Snausagebort
Ulthirm
Well some of the majority fed owned states had some circumstances behind them. Some of them were made solely to be containers for the
Ulthirm
federal land (well more to contain the people that happened to live there already) and others were in circumstances where the people in
Ulthirm
the federal gov didn't like or trust them but couldn't outright tell them no. Later on we also began to protect land, but couldn't as easily
Ulthirm
go back in time in the south, but lots of the west wasn't touched yet so.
Ulthirm
Plus most of Utah's owned land is the mountains and forests on them. Those are really hard to live in unless you're rich because you have to
MichaelAndersen88
Land that the federal government has taken so that state government and private citizens can't use it. Most of this land does nothing, 1/
SoSorryImNotEvenCanadian
SoSorryImNotEvenCanadian
England and then continues a gruesome genocide to take land from Natives// holds and develops huge plots for private citizenery use from
SoSorryImNotEvenCanadian
commercial, to ownership, and living to just enjoyment like parks. Continually, tries to give away more but demand dries up //
SoSorryImNotEvenCanadian
200+ yrs @MichaelAndersen88 ARGH QAnan and Fox told me the libtards wont give me land
MichaelAndersen88
but a very small part is military bases, national parks, or other government uses. 2/2
CarlosBenjamin
Or, get this, so that citizens can use it because it belongs to the people and not corporate interests.
MichaelAndersen88
The majority of this land is not allowed to be used. People aren't allowed to be there.
Bugguts1957
Publicly owned land managed by the Forest Service,Bureau of Land Management,National Park Service. Available for various recreational uses
Bugguts1957
Some is set aside as Wilderness area. Portions of it are set to be taxed by the states to fund rural schools. It’s complicated
marsgoose
At least on paper, local and state laws trump federal ones besides those powers outlined in the constitution, so federal ownership is
marsgoose
seen as a bastardization of that ideal by many. Just in case you see people upset about this.
marsgoose
Why it's hard to lump the whole US in stats, states on some issues have more sovereignty and differences than individual countries in EU.
JoseCanada79
The government gave away land for people to move west, but eventually stopped, leaving them with a lot left over
forResearchPurposesOnly
And bought it back during the Great Depression
AlphaSaber
Most of the land that is federal in the west wasn't claimed initially because the settlers thought it had no value (for cattle grazing).
belortik
Except for the few to claim plots that had mineral deposits. Those are some lucky bastards.
TargunYssboern
it allowed Trump administration cut funding for federal areas maintenance in Cali, then blamed democratic California gov for the wildfires.
theunscaledbanana
Should have swept the forest floors like those Austrians. They have forest cities and shit in the woods like bears or something like that.
TargunYssboern
?
theunscaledbanana
https://metropole.at/forest-cities-trump-on-austrian-forests-exploding-trees/
BethMme4
The vast majority of the federally owned land is undeveloped desert, grasslands, forests. Some of the grasslands are leased for grazing
BethMme4
The other areas might be leased for minerals or logging. A lot of it is for recreation.
NSFWFolderAccount
Federal government generally purchased the land in the west and then auctioned off large portions of it to settlers on the cheap.
pandro
your comment got me to look into this because I always assumed the USA "stole" it from the natives. Turns out we got a shit-ton of it 1/
pandro
from Mexico with the war settlement circa 1848. West of that was the Brits, Spanish, French and other squabblers. The actual USA 2/
pandro
"only" swindled natives out of land parcels on a local basis, apparently. Kind of worse, I guess. Go us. 3/3
NSFWFolderAccount
So part of the reason why the federal government took on this role was the Yazoo land scandal in Georgia which could have easily led to war
GlassPHLEGM
Read a book recently that talked about how planes tribes had essentially taken the land back over after the Spanish gave up their searches..
pmmeyourgold
Did you somehow miss the Louisiana Purchase in school?
arthurvanhoudt
Define “local basis” ....
myweaknessisstrong
It means that the vast majority of the western states are uninhabited so folks didn’t settle there
CokieMonster69
The majority of federal land is national parks and wilderness preserves
pandro
And they sometimes allow logging corporations to come in and basically strip the forests.
GlassPHLEGM
Also reservations.
gtmiller
Or mines/oil basins that is government owned that they rent for private use.
abobeaver5772
Feds get to screw over West states by doing whatever they want and preventing them from using the natural resources
GalacticLord
“Do whatever they want”, you sound like a spoiled child.
abobeaver5772
Like how Nevada had no choice but to get nuked over and over again
pandro
I had to look into this from another comment. A lot of states west of the Louisiana purchase were won by the USA in the settlement of the 1/
pandro
Mexican War. The unoccupied land belonged to the fed government to sell or allocate. It didn't "belong" to the states. The use for nuclear 2
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
"preventing them from using natural resources" sounds a lot meaner than "preserving our natural resources so all can enjoy"
abobeaver5772
Usually it means the feds get the money when they sell the resource rights (Lumber being a big one)
Waldbern
The federal government retains direct control of land instead of states. Most of Nevada doesn’t belong to Nevada.
IllegalDuckling
So that means.. most of Nevada belongs to "the US" rather than Nevada? Or am I misunderstanding?
Waldbern
Correct. The federal government uses the land for military work, research and development, land and resource management, national parks etc.
pandro
And for the askers, part of that includes nuclear testing
ButtsMcGee86
Instead of states or private owners.
diamondcardboard
Nevada is mostly just used for nuclear testing
MickeyCallahan
I've driven through Nevada. It's mostly nothing.
oopssorrywrongplanet
... Hasn't there been a test ban for decades?
JacobBorth
Yes but the nuclear fallout is still there.
CaldariBob
Well, there and Utah (aka "Mormon downwind").
JacobBorth
Never been to Utah but religious slander is not polite. I am of that religion and I joined while in the military stationed in Germany.
CaldariBob
Since there's a permanent record, that would be libel instead of slander, but only if intended as an insult - didn't intend it as such...
nesticRAW
So are the states down wind.
razorgirl1066
#SorryStGeorge !
n0n53n53
I used to have fun finding all of the craters in the desert on google maps.
n0n53n53
https://www.google.com/maps/place/37%C2%B010'36.0%22N+116%C2%B002'48.0%22W/@37.1178916,-116.058683,11598m
DadsHumor
If'n you've driven thru the whole thing you'd understand why and be okay that they do
xyxyxyxy31
nodekio
So that why new Vegas has those radioactive roaches
Liquid1024
We have tons of gold, silver, copper. Where you go for minecraft irl.
ihavethelowground
*was used for nukes
GroumphLePreux
Yup, so the feds mainly hold deserts and mountain tops.
GlassPHLEGM
Also that's where they pushed the natives. These stats include reservations.
MassiveCunt
And aliens!!
Thekindofkindlyman
Isn’t that New Mexico?
OmnipotentBeing
BabeAfett
And mining.
AtypicalMammal
Sooo many abandoned mines everywhere. I find a bunch every time I go exploring a dirt road
BabeAfett
Yep. So many are not marked depending on where you go.
AtypicalMammal
I kind of want to get a harness and some bad gas detectors and start exploring them.
BabeAfett
Techatticup mine used to do tours. Don't know if they still do. Pretty neat stuff though.
Lordhartley
its pronounced "Nuc-lear"
UpvoteTotem
I bet the reason so much is federal is because you can't farm on it, it's pretty barren and useless
Ramphasto
Useless? We have tons of gold and silver mines. Far from useless.
UpvoteTotem
That explains the ghost towns
srsfaceI8C
Has to do with how the state was admitted into the Union.
ImNotReallyADoctor
Exception of Reno and Las Vegas... yup
derschweiz
If anyone in Elko had access to the internet they’d be really pissed at you right now!
ImNotReallyADoctor
They've been nuked... that's why they dont have any means of communication
derschweiz
Wrong, most of it is leased to private mining companies.
codenamecozy
Leased to private mining companies from the government who owns the majority of the state...
derschweiz
Yes, it’s not mostly getting nuked tho
codenamecozy
You right.
WeylandYutaniCorp
Nuke testing isn't happening but tons of conventional testing and practice. Friend of mine is EOD and he's always there blowing up the duds.
PballQhead
Nuclear explosions aren't happening. Subcritical tests involving nuclear material definitely still happen.
Beezlebubble
Thought that said ducks
smartieman
*isn't happening any more
tubby5473
And bomb ranges. Most of Nevada is own by the military
theredacted
The 95% is because of BLM, there’s just not enough water to make the land worth owning (plus they don’t want water wars) mil owns a lot to
theredacted
But like 60% of is free use because it’s BLM land
SkwareKneedles
DoD only owns roughly 270k acres of the 70 million acres that make up Nevada. Less than .5% of Federal Land in NV is DoD.
SkwareKneedles
Yes a lot of Nevada is reserved for DoD Aircraft Training. It's home to the actual TOPGUN and the Air Forces "Red Flag." 1/?
SkwareKneedles
Sidenote - FAA authorized "Military Use Only" airspace does not count as "Federal Land." Not all airspace we use is for bombing.
SkwareKneedles
No, the entire 85% isn't for Military use. There is a significant portion that is federally protected National Parkland. 2/?
GlassPHLEGM
Thank you! Same with AZ. Seriously gorgeous protected areas you can enjoy and as u say next, rez is considered gov't owned in these stats.
razorgirl1066
I liked this episode about Nevada on How The States Got Their Shapes: https://youtu.be/og0Phj8W27w
SkwareKneedles
Also, Nevada is home to a large Native American population. Please research things on your own before upvoting "IT'S ALL JUST FOR WAR!!"
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TheSilverSeraph
And blackjack. And hookers
ImNotAnOrange
and storing zombies now too i guess
MisterLemons
SmoeAhsolse
They did it all for the nukey?
TremendousDude5
You forgot exotic dancers, junkies wandering around the suburbs and hot single mothers.
Redisia
ignint
They nuke hookers?
Theotokoss
Shhhh! It's a secret!!
SurrealismIsMan
the nookers
roar2O
In fact, forget the nuclear testing
alaest0r
This is how you get radioactive hookers
nuprin711
Which one is Nevada?
F4TH0G
No idea
TootInCommon
85%
SkwareKneedles
West coast. Roughly diamond shaped.
SkwareKneedles
Very, very, roughly diamond shaped.
iamlegendinjapan
85%
martineb72
What's amazing is how little of Texas is fed land. West Texas is a desert, so it should have a lot unclaimed land.
Fish11213
When Texas joined the US they had a lot of debt, and tried to sell land to the gov. To help offset it. The Gov said nah its worthless so a
Fish11213
lot ended up getting donated to schools ect. Years later that’s where they found oil.
fruitsmoothly0
Isnt it because it was all mostly land for ranching though? Because it's all flat?
zeromehsgiven
Not because it’s flat but because it’s so dead that it takes about 150 acres for one cow to forage.
teakasaurus
Texas Tea
ath1337e
Given the Texan political philosophy, I am not too surprised.
marsgoose
TX land is valuable for cattle and/or oil. Used to be somewhat of communal "right to roam" if you wanted to explore the nature that's
marsgoose
largely privately owned. But that went away since everyone and their dog can sue you and hike up your insurance if they get hurt.
TheFastpaws
Ranches full of stinking oil wells and owned by assholes.
geauxhike
When Texas joined the union it had been a seperate country. The lands became state lands not federal unlike the rest of the west.
myspicymeatball
It's amazing how often you can pull over in areas like that in Texas and an old guy will threaten to shoot you for being on his land.
DocWino
I’ve had that happen in the Mojave desert in the middle of nowhere.
marsgoose
It's usually the weirdo with 19 junk cars in their front yard, ranchers tend to be friendly.
Logomoto
What’s more amazing is that there’s little federal states in each of the United States. A Russian nesting doll of sorts.
foxyfaice
Texas land is double owned. There's separate deeds for the acreage and for the minerals underneath.
SpaceSphere
Texas wasn't part of the Louisiana Purchase. The Federal gov basically bought all the land west of the Mississippi, but TX was independent
belortik
This is exactly the reason. Had Texas been a territory first, it would probably look very different.
h2omosexual
Part of it was actually! Mostly due to very vague and heavily disputed borders. Also Texas was still part of Spain then.
Yay295
I imagine it having been its own country for a short time may have something to do with that.
smartieman
Part of Mexico, its own country, a united state, now wants to be independent from US. I imagine Fed would want little to do with that mess..
Yay295
A lot of the West was federal territory before becoming a state, but Texas was already fully a state from the start.
krusader9
It's true. Texas didn't first become a territory of the US when annexed, but went straight to State status on day one.
Klaumbaz
Check out Ft Bliss TX, Vs White Sands NM. Might as well be the same base.
JustEatingBagelBites
The entire 8 hour drive from Austin to Big Bend has barb wire fence along the highway. It suuuucks
PaulVolckerWithLipstick
This doesn't include state owned land.
Dragonan
This. I'd like to see a map with those percentages added in.
Almaadin
Same.
alternate18610
https://blogs.sas.com/content/sastraining/2018/09/05/how-much-land-does-the-government-own-in-each-us-state/
morethanless
Great map. Wonder why the percentages are so different than the reddit map. At least this guy cites sources.
WeylandYutaniCorp
Check out google earth. Oil wells for miles in every direction. All that land is effectively dead.
froggyfixit
No it's not. Cattle don't give a shit walking around next to an oil well. Also, solar or wind can be put there too.
WeylandYutaniCorp
And as everyone knows, the only flora and fauna that are important at all, are cows.
froggyfixit
You ever been to west Texas? That's about all that's there. Plus things grow between them. There not nuts to butt close.
WeylandYutaniCorp
I lived in Texas for about 6 years. And that's exactly my point. Humans have destroyed the natural ecosystem. Nothing but cows and oil wells
MagicBackPack
Drill deep enough into the water table and you can have a nuclear plant producing enough energy for 50 oil wells and less than 10% pollution
jjw9
The chart needs to show how much land is state owned, versus federally owned, versus privately owned
LoggingOutNow
Nothing is unclaimed in Texas. Everything is behind a fence.
Doismellbacon
Markers with purple
Doismellbacon
*marked
marsgoose
I'm not sure where the tides started changing, but reading accounts from before WW2, it seems people were very chill about fences
marsgoose
almost like presumed "right to roam", as long as you don't cause damage you could hike and camp on private land no problem.
marsgoose
I'd say it's because of tort, I wouldn't want randos on my land just because I don't want to get sued if someone trips and sprains an ankle
marsgoose
other than that, it wouldn't bother me at all if someone wants to camp by my creek and communicate with the snakes at 3am
ImgurianGeographic
It's also owned by corporations for oil too. Bezos owns 25,000(?) for his space project
Ozzy98
25,000 what? I see on wiki they lease 306 acres of land for the lease site, slightly above average for a small family farm.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Bezos owns 420,000 acres in Texas, including a hollowed out mountain with a giant clock in it that chimes once every 1,000 years.
GrumpyOldMillennial
On one hand, I'm sensing sarcasm. On the other, thats just so outlandish it's fucking believable...more info pls?
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Here's his blog about it. http://www.10000yearclock.net/learnmore.html
WhichIsIt
*25,000 units
quadraspaz1
25000 hogs
CokieMonster69
It's all cattle ranches. That's why it's so expensive to hunt in TX unless you know someone with a ranch
DocMilsap
Don’t forget oil and gas. That drives up land & hunting prices, and thus chaps my ass cause I don’t want to spend the $ on a lease
forResearchPurposesOnly
Something about that seems wrong. Huge swaths of land owned because you have animals. All because your great grand parents got there first.
evilcarp
Great grandparents are the last to successfully steal it. The people who got their first kind of got hosed.
TheRealFireFrenzy
Well also you have a stack of animals because what else are you going to do with all this nothin'
MagicBackPack
Or theyve worked hard for generations to maintain and improve the land so they and their children can benefit from it?
aRootinaTootin
forResearchPurposesOnly
Obviously. But then on the flip side we have millions of people less entitled. While the entitled claim the rest are lazy and moochers.
ReaperCDN
That's ok. Historically, we kill and eat those fuckers when they keep squeezing to get blood from a stone.
myspicymeatball
Plenty of resources being shared before the states were colonized
Ornado
humans doesn't matter what race are insanely good at WAR and killing eachother over resources. Natives/Egyptian/Tribal/Swedish All do it.
OutsideNstuff
Uh, you know the tribes had territory and constantly faught each other right?
Hovi177
And kicked out the natives
TheCrankyCow
Spanish kicked out the natives. Texas kicked out the Spanish.
GrumpyOldMillennial
America kicked out Texas. The tradition continues.
Fengor
From what I understand alot of it is bought up by investors as a means to hide money from the taxman, or own water rights.
ConformistWithACause
That how inheritance works which i believe Marx wanted to abolish entirely if you *really* wanna head into communism
forResearchPurposesOnly
But then we appeared to have settled for aristocracy.
ionlymakethisstufftoimpressyourmum
Marx didn't mind a bit of inheritance himself though
AmbroseGudmaker
Not at all arguing for communism but he wasn't against private property altogether. Inheriting a home, etc? Fine. Inheriting a factory? Nope
AnarchyScream4
Being against private property is what communism is based on
IDontLoveJesusButDoItAnyway
you have hit upon his distinction between personal and private property, i.e. private property is something that produces capital
ConformistWithACause
Chapter 2 of the Communist Manifesto literally says Abolition of all rights of Inheritance