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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/lithuania-russia-oil-natural-gas-eu-b2043950.html
https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/business/who-is-buying-russian-crude-oil-and-who-has-stopped/articleshow/90588978.cms
Huuuuubi
... and USA is the happy winner :) as always :)
ShiftyBat
Liquefied
eiger3970
Yes, moving to renewables...solar, wind, geothermal, EVs, powerwalls...oh wait, oh, more CO2 gas. :-(
genepoolboy
What?
pumper
The pro-Russain politicians have been salty about out LNG terminal and ship since it was decided to get one in order to cut the gas prices.
jessenator
Lietuva! Anrejii namai savo! Jėga!
Mithi
Gesundheit!
Jiraiyaasama
SkeletorXD
Lithuania has also declared Taiwan to be an independent country. China has sanctioned them heavily.
hegeszto
If they have the money for more expensive gas...
Rasdwa
Must be nice to have a LNG terminal.
pajasa
And America profits from war in Europe again.
ghettofleamarket
Are we going to come in late and finish the shit again?
pajasa
We need to sort our own shit out.
khakzoy
Well that is weird. Almost as if the US position is getting better through this war. Wow, what a coincidence.
TurdBurglar3000
Yeah, maybe if Russia didn't want to lose the rest of its already small influence to the US it should stop acting like a rabid dog.
chichiFregiLover
amen
SirWadeWilson
Lithuania is Nato, so this could be interesting
Nightcaste
NATO is a military defense organization. It doesn't really have anything to do with economic stuff directly.
sambaah05
Why?
TsubakiTragic
Putin has the heebie jeebies over NATO... it's what keeps the russian population idolizing him.
somethingawesomeandgreat
They’re also EU
Mcknizzle
Eh not really. Not on that alone anyway
skinkabamba
I for one hope EU starts to make some serious moves towards energy independence. Don't really like us being dependent on neither Rus or US
requini
It's pronounced GEF
fuckthisfuckingshit
Wonder what will happen once Trump or a trumpist is back in power. Countries would be wise to think long terms and hedge their risks.
Elijah21Noel
Yep. We've been begging Corn Pop to stop crushing American exportation and production of oil for a little minute now, glad he came around
amb1021
If Corn Pop is supposed to mean Biden (and wtf is that?!?), you're lying like all GQPers. He has not "crushed" oil/gas. Lying is a sin.
amb1021
You should consider why GQPers and Russians sound so similar with, inter alia, your CONSTANT lying.
Khugin
I'm not a fan of US gas dependence either, considering that it feels they are only one bad president away from going fascist as well.
UdensZirnis
1/Actualy none of the Baltic states have been getting Russian gas since mid march. Russians thought they could harm us by cutting us off.
UdensZirnis
2/ But guess what. We never liked or thought of them as reliable business partners even before it happened.
amb1021
I really want to visit the Baltics and Ukraine as soon as I can. You guys are awesome.
ZitLicker
Baltic countries and Poland seem to be the only countries that understand Russia and treat the country accordingly. Everyone else are naive.
NKato
Exactly. I'm disgusted by the West right now.
masteryoplait
Add Romania, Finland & Georgia, basically any Russian neighbor understands their relentless desire for more land while not fixing their own.
GlebReawer
Energy dependence is a bitch. UK decided that the sanctions don't apply to coal, so now VR(Finnish state railroads) resumed importing it 1/2
GlebReawer
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12383112 <- news in Finnish, same piece put trough google translate in next comment. 2/3
GlebReawer
https://yle-fi.translate.goog/uutiset/3-12383112?_x_tr_sl=fi&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp 3/3
NonFungibleUsername
Just need to solve the diesel problem now. Europe gets roughly a fifth of its diesel from Russia.
Filanwizard
in two months or so, the USA could help. As winter winds down New England stops needing a lot of US Diesel production. 1/
Filanwizard
#2 Home Heating oil and Diesel Fuel are the same thing, In fact in places without seasons its called farm diesel or offroad diesel.
PeteThePerv
Well done, Lithuania. I bet Russia's real mad about waiting for the olympics to over this time.
TheBluntSoldier
Inb4 america drives up prices by 800%
Sierrahotel12
Well done. All Baltic countries.
Erdanya
While we shouldn't get it from Russia, transporting (L)NG by ship is stupidly inefficient Vs. a pipeline. Not a great solution either.
ADegenFromUpcountry
It would need to be one helluva pipeline to reach from the Eastern US to Western Europe
schlummi
Would be a "in between" fix. Long term goal is stop using coal and gas completly, anway.
tinytyrant
keep it up, cunts. long way to go and it's gonna be expensive.
ElusiveThing
Yeah. Certainly not the cheap way out, but morally the correct thing to do. Hoping we in Finland will get on with the programme too.
bolinotoyou
user name checks out
Muunk
Go to bed, Vlad.
tinytyrant
you're a Vlad.
JaviDrift
Fuck me, that one made me laugh. Good shit, too many Americans on here to appreciate it though :(
tinytyrant
for you pro-russian dv fuckers - "keep it up" (continue) "cunts" (calls mates cunts) "long way.. .. expensive.." (sanctions take time/cost)
tinytyrant
and it's not bedtime in Australia, MATE..
PeteThePerv
I got it. No worries.
vegivamp
Unfortunately US gas tends to be shale. Fracking bad yo.
ADegenFromUpcountry
Great news for the US because we’ve been trying to get Europe to buy our fracked gas for a few years now, with little success. /s
TurdBurglar3000
There are actually some who argue the war was provoked by the US to get the EU out of Russian energy dependency and buy US LNG instead ?
hegeszto
This ^
duktayp
guess Lithuania now an "unfriendly" nation
somethingawesomeandgreat
Always was
plutonium
It already was, together with the rest of the EU.
tooMuchButterOnDosTres
Next up on Russia TV1: V V Putin on “is it really a nation though?”
ToasterDent
It's worth asking though: Is Russia really a nation?
somethingawesomeandgreat
Lithuenian commonwealth is more of a nation than Muscovy, and Putin knows that.
mithiwithi
Pretty sure Putin's on record as NOT considering the Baltic states to be nations.
TCGView
This is the sort of thing we need to do with China and manufacturing. It's gonna sting at first, but it must be done.
Cheomesh
All domestic manufacturing would grind to a halt and you'd basically never get it started again before the riots destroyed everything.
TCGView
Hence the sting. Some companies are working to do this as it is. I know several Japanese companies have moved out of China completely.
PerpetuityPhoto
There's Sting, and then there's "Yeah, no". Seriously, just the drop in amazon availability would cause riots.
TCGView
You don't do it all suddenly at once. You do it over time by building out your manufacturing sector. I thought that was understood.
PerpetuityPhoto
That's a nice thought, but people will still buy the cheaper option of whatever it is you're selling.
Varenvel
as person who lived and still lives without amazon as postal service/other curriers worked , you dont need amazon.
ghettofleamarket
It wOuLD bE DifFIcUlt So dOn'T EvEn TrY... BULLSHIT! Bring manufacturing back to the US.
Cheomesh
We have manufacturing. We're second in output with a total living pop less than just the working age pop of China.
ghettofleamarket
And we've lost more than 5 million manufacturing jobs in the last 20 years.
Cheomesh
Ok.
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
I'd assume cutting ties with China would more than just sting. Our whole economy would grind to a halt and would have to be restructured.
MikeInSoCal562
impossible. way too much stuff is made there exclusively when we decided we wanted stuff as cheap as possible
MrTay
Depending on your country we have. At least in the US there’s a lot more going on than what you see on headlines and trump tariffs. 4 1/
MrTay
Years ago over half of my products were made in China and that was across multiple sectors of my industry. Now I import 0 for a multitude 2/
MrTay
Reasons. Usitc.gov actually doing its job and being fast on anti dumping cases. Broken supply lines and shippers using extortion 3/
MrTay
Accelerating shift back to domestic. New factories along the southern US coming online. Usually takes a few years to make them. Just 4/
MrTay
In time inventory infrastructure across the US making domestic made plus LTL be net more profitable when accounting for less overhead and 5/
Pain9Killer
I hope every European country does the same
redpandabanana
This goes into why that’s not possible at the moment without massive infrastructure construction and changes https://youtu.be/ZLyUeKa2jzY
Fedotia
Germany shut off their nuclear after Fukushima, easier said than done.
Uhxohr
Except there is nowhere nearly enough supply (or infrastructure) to cover all of the EU needs in a short time frame
eggmuffin
They can't. The pipelines exporting natural gas and oil from Norway are at maximum capacity. What Europe needs is Ukrainian gas.
eggmuffin
Ukraine was never able to develop their gas fields in Crimean water and in the Donbass regions. If they do, it threatens Russian leverage.
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Mcknizzle
Nah, if that was the reason, it would have focused on that from the get go. This shitshow had very little reasoning to it.
eggmuffin
They have been focusing on that. First, they tried political means, fomenting discord in the Donbass regions of Luhansk and Donetsk.
LetMeGoogleThatShtForYou
If US could cut ties with China, but you don't see that happening due to costs, unless someone pays them for the rising prices its difficult
AGoodBoii
What happens when China cuts ties with the U.S. in return? No iPhones. And many things. Ever thought of that power balance?
LetMeGoogleThatShtForYou
China already banned Iphones for most govt employees, what they will lose is sht ton of USD, like whats happening in Vietnam
AGoodBoii
?♂️no. I was referring to what Americans will lose if China bans iPhones and other manufactured exports to US. US relies heavily on China.
LetMeGoogleThatShtForYou
They wont lose anything except a slight delay,China is a mere sweatshop, it can be replaced easily. For instance Samsung, moved to Indonesia
Masaya51
Lithuania has less than 3 million inhabitants, Europe ~750 million
ArtisZ
EU is about 450 (workout UK).
Masaya51
ArtisZ
EU ≠ Europe
TheWombatStrikesAgain
It's not that easy. There isn't that much gas available, a lot is tied up in long-term contracts.
AGoodBoii
Look into their volume. It is minuscule compared to what Germany and Italy buy from Russia. Easy to switch and easy propaganda.
somethingawesomeandgreat
After this, absolutely https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60949791
khety1890
Would take us Germans literal years to change that, sadly.
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
You will need to restart coal until you can swap to nuclear.there is no other way.massive nuclear expansion across eu(on E border)is needed
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
Love from Britain
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
The E border part is to dissuade rus from tactical nuc use
schlummi
Germany uses gas for residential heating, not for electricity. And for industrial usage. Both can't be replaced easily, except with gas
schlummi
imports from other sources. LNG gas from middle east, as example. Germany is already looking into this. Nuclear plants take btw. like 15
schlummi
years of construction and are the most expensive source of electricty. Simply building more renewables is cheaper and faster.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
We can't supply enough LNG. FOR SOME REASON
TheSilverSeraph
Because of the massive infrastructural logistics of total change from piped gas to LNG for countries as big as Germany. Cant be done quickly
Filanwizard
LNG export terminals are also hard to get approved, People push back in the US especially when their heating bills are going up.
YeahWellAboutThat
Then there's the other side: Germany doesn't have and won't have any import terminals until 2026 (if they decide to build one at all).
codeacrobat
Building 3. Maybe 4 if they put another one where northstream2 should have ended. Some of them are problematic (near atomic plants, crowded)
Filanwizard
comments are often "Gas Co says I am paying more due to market rates and supply yet they want to export more?"
Filanwizard
(not talking gasoline here, in the US we use the term gas for both, rarely say Natural Gas for heating/cooking).
OmgOptimized
Living in one of the countries that could but haven't yet, I hope so too. But there's no denying that Germany will have trouble making 1/2
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Just orderd a electrical pump for the house. Moving from gas , next step enough solar panels to power everything.
OmgOptimized
Does solar match the seasonal energy use where you live? Otherwise you're going to need *a lot* of storage
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Where I come from we have this system where you get discounted what you over produce. And if there is more production than usage you get 1/
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Compensated. Something like .15cents per kWh. Not perfect so Im still dependant of the nett. But batteries are far from sustainable atm.
in9119iwas
German household cannot even switch away from gas to heat pump in such a short time, because there are not enough technician to do it.
in9119iwas
USA HVAC professionals can work in Europe for the rest of their career installing heat pumps if they want universal health care.
OmgOptimized
it happen, and the supply chain needs to be adapted. I don't expect it to be trivial if everyone stops using russian gas. 2/2
schlummi
Germany is already talking with several middle east countries, US and norway about gas imports. And H2 imports. This won't happen soon, but
schlummi
last time I checked was it asumed that germany could be independent of russian gas in mid 2024. So ~2 years. Coal+oil this year.
a0b1
Not that much, it's connected tot the gas roundabout. Rotterdam harbor has a gas terminal on that network
OmgOptimized
If it isn't that difficult that just makes it all the more shameful to keep buying russian gas.
Acc87
Everyone says "well we just need to heat less", but it's absolutely not that easy. Certain industries would be destroyed if we just shut off
Acc87
As in machinery would be destroyed. There's ovens that need days to cool down in controlled manners.
Xedi22
So if Russia got it off from their end…they could do major damage? (I say that simplistically, I know.)
OmgOptimized
And there's machines that use gas directly in large industrial processes. Changing that is a multi-decade project. But realistically 1/2
OmgOptimized
I expect the supply chain can cope with that if gas isn't used for creating electricity and heating too. But changing that is hard enough2/2
CraftyGiant
Germany announced a huge push in alternative energy to try and get off russian oil faster but it will still take a while.
codeacrobat
Fun thing is if they push for alternative energy now we'll need more gas to account for bad weather. Gas is the only one to start/stop fast.
OmgOptimized
Hydro can do it quickly but Germany doesn't have much. Nuclear can also be adjusted within some power and change rate limits. 1/2
OmgOptimized
But my impression is that's about what has happened lately. More intermittency => higher dependency on fossil. Now they're doing the same2/2
OmgOptimized
Didn't they already make such a push the past decade?
CraftyGiant
they still use a lot of oil from russia and are speeding up their current timeline toward renewables and alternatives.
OmgOptimized
That was kind of my point.
drinkwineandscrew
Yes, but largely to replace coal and nuclear, and without any demand side restrictions like a motorway speed limit etc.
OmgOptimized
They haven't made much progress on anything except nuclear which would have been great to have right now. And IMO preferable as long 1/2