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Spiralhaze
Yeah thatll show those pesky scientist how to do their job. Artists aremuch better paleontologists.
KingoftheIntroverts
This is definitely not how extinct animals are hypothesized. Have you even seen a rendering of stegosaurus? Not skin and bones at all.
Tyrannax
Haha, I guarantee no scientist would mistake a hippo for a top predator. Not with today's techniques.
Tyrannax
Paleoartists are probably some of the most imaginative, yet accuracy-driven artists out there. Wtf?
HommeDeBois
I think that seeing the enormous mass of the bones would clue in future folk that cows carry around a shit load of weight and aren't lithe
stunningepiphanies
Wow. So many people up in here getting butthurt about a book they haven't read.
Coelurosaur
I seriously believe that everyone commenting here has not read the book
gingerminge
Besides the lithe part, the cow one is really accurate. Cows are really agile and very fast.
comingdown
Hippos aren't necessarily apex predators but they are like very aggressive, very strong and kill the most people in Africa every year.
eumenedies
Could we make it a thing that if there's a link in the image then OP provides it in the description?
ZenMako
I like the way you think. It would also mess with reposts if the URL isn't entirely displayed in the image.
someguyonthissite
Heh. That vulture picture reminds me of an Asimov short story, "The Gentle Vultures".
eskamobob1
this is just so fucking wrong. We may not know skin patterns, but muscle mass is extremely easy to figure out.
Magpiebones
Pls read the whole book before jumping into conclusions. (like them old timy paleoartists) And while we can estimate the mass, it still 1/2
Magpiebones
has big variance in it. T.rex was, according to scientists, anything between 5 and 10 thousand kilograms. 2/2
Hoover280
"Unimaginative paleontologists" sounds like this user is trying to insult scientists for not just making shit up.
shiturd
Made me chuckle. I like you.
TheLordLucifersBannedAccount02
It's Tumblr. They don't know shit.
ZenMako
Cows have massive weight bearing bones. No one would come to that conclusion about cows.
Xaldyn
"because it absolutely unquestionably proves"--
cantspellmanslaughterwithoutlaughter
What movie is that from?
brandsilven
He's so kind to disinfect his hands before the slap. I woulda done it afterwards.
backtobackpanicattack
CHARLIE MURPHY! *slap*
ManLonG
DARKNESS, EVERYBODY
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
Thank you. Science definitely isn't Tumblr's strongest side.
zeeshanjafri
Because smart people don't use Tumblr
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
That's not what I said. Not at all.
Anonymixer
Neat
shiturd
Neat
kimsl
Neat
txm546
Neat
sugarhips
imgur.com/Fy61d
MakeItBackAlright
I call to order this meeting of the Imgur Comment Section Pedantic Pseudo-Scientists, item one...
NinjaPoopy
Call me naive, but I feel safe in assuming scientist/paleontologist etc have a better idea than the author of this book.
eggmuffin
You assume correctly. Honestly, even I wouldn't be so stupid as to make such ridiculous claims is this author, and I'm not a smart man.
Paleoman
Check the book out for yourself. It isn't a serious criticism, more of a fun exploration into reasonable speculation.
blitherypoop
Darren Naish (paleontologist) and Jon Conway (paleoartist) are very knowledgeable. Their podcast, Tet Zoo, is a good listen too.
NinjaPoopy
I'll def check it out, thanks for the info!
Pterocactus
Except the book was written by a paleontologist and independent researchers who specifically work on dinosaur reconstruction.
NinjaPoopy
And what we know is from every other paleontologist and researcher who has ever existed and still living.
Magpiebones
Most old stuff has been proven wrong so far, and that's the point the author is mentioning here... They meant to remind us that we 1/?
Magpiebones
should keep more options open in our mind when making reconstructions and not try to ram thru one style as the "true" one. You need to 2/3
Magpiebones
read the whole book. That snippet alone doesn't really bring out the message the author wrote. Don't judge the book by it's..snippet. :)
Asrodrig
You can buy it where? I am legit interested.
PizzaPringler
Plot twist: hippos kill more humans annually than any other animal.
KeithSvenson
perhaps this goes here? https://youtu.be/TTOla3TyfqQ?t=1m12s
iMoosker
Yes. Definitely goes here. And man, Futurama's creativity never ceases to amaze
MAGICmanLUKE
You can tell fat deposits from bones etc, and of course see attachment points for feathers
arvalis
Not really you cant. Not even all birds have feather bumps on the bones, flamingos dont and I'm pretty sure they have feathers.
MAGICmanLUKE
Well it works for dinosaurs, and thats helped us see the evolutionary routes and families from Dromaeosaurs into birds
notme222
Probably the most interesting thing I'll see today. Thanks!
eggmuffin
Also one of the most wrong.
aerodynamit3
This is highly misleading and scientifically illiterate and ignorant
Paleoman
I suggest reading the book. It is an exploration into reasonable speculation about things that we don't and might never know about the past
Magpiebones
You hurt my head.
pitpeaches
Science uses hypothesis and conjecture.. The book is on point
aerodynamit3
Based on verifiable and demonstrable experimental data. This is not that, this is a troll book if anything.
evillesbianfromthesnakehouse
perhaps the book itself is a tad more neutral and well informed, but the post seems sorta presumptuous
Paleoman
People need to chill here. The book was meant to be a fun diversion from typical paleoart tropes, and explore the things that we don't know.
realbrickwall
They're kind of right about hippos, tho
MotleyPoo
I wanna see the full picture.
LtShed
They are monsters, but those bits pointing out of the skull are where muscles attach and you would be able to tell that from looking at them
dimitarandgrigorkebabliminators
Yeah really hippos will fuck you up on an unbelievable level
TrickerTreater
No they aren't. Scientists can see the muscles were used for grinding plants by measuring the areas where the they join the skull
Tylendal
Not an apex predator, though. Merely an apex 'kill you merely for existing'er, which is actually more terrifying.
razetherunner
hippo be wherever the hell hippo want to be on the food chain
realbrickwall
Yeah, they're vegetarians. Extremely hateful vegetarians.
THESHOUTINGTURTLE
BUT LOOK AT THEIR BABIES!!!
razetherunner
i love you
SendMeSteamCodes
We need a link to buy this, STAT!
SpecimenSpiff
What I found after a super-quick search: http://www.amazon.com/All-Yesterdays-Speculative-Dinosaurs-Prehistoric-ebook/dp/B00A2VS55O
ButIDidntDieThoughItWasAJoke
You could probably just google it, I mean the name of the book is in the first line...
SendMeSteamCodes
I tried searching google shopping, but nothing came up for it
ButIDidntDieThoughItWasAJoke
ButIDidntDieThoughItWasAJoke
Google shopping is weird in that it doesn't display a lot. Your best bet is to just regular google stuff you're shopping for :)
SendMeSteamCodes
I see that now, hehe
Mekeji
Paleontologists do a lot more than stretch skin over the bones. They take modern animals as examples along with marking of tissue growth in
yourawkwardfantasy
uniformitarianism people!
Magpiebones
The book's point is about the older reconstructions and such, and that we should keep more options available in general.
Mekeji
That is with any scientific field. You try to stay up to date with current discoveries and use those rather than outdated stuff.
Magpiebones
Indeed, but what that snippet from the book said is true, there's been really long era of skin-over-bones reconstructions going on.
EarthTourist
cool thanks
soapbubblesscareme
Like take the dinosaurs for long walks and rub their tummies.
NateintheNorth
It's almost as if... no, it's heresy... dammit I'll say it anyways. It's almost as if all animals descended from previous animals!
causality
Shh, we're trying to circlejerk over being privy to information The Man is too stodgy and dumb to accept.
NateintheNorth
Yeah they don't need no Man telling them what the facts are! They can make them up for themselves!
HoodsBalls
Too accurate. It hurts.
Mekeji
the fossil. It is a lot more accurate than this would make it out to be. Not to mention fossilized tissue imprints which are rare but exist.
Threns
They said 'unimaginitive paleoartists', not paleontologists
Mekeji
It used paleontologist right before that so I got a bit confused. Brain saw paleo and assumed the word before I read it and skipped to next.
Threns
Indeed
BenderBendingRodriguez
also noting quill marks left on bones of feathered creatures and KNOWING WHAT MOLARS ARE FOR jesus christ
NateintheNorth
Yeah. Teeth get fossilized cuz they're kinda just little bones, really.
Mekeji
Yeah quill marks are a big one for spotting rooted feathers rather than simple surface ones. Also teeth have been pretty consistent.
almostsomething182
In reference to the hippo/predator thing, I imagine.
Mekeji
Yeah but in general through history teeth have stayed pretty much the same with basic versions and more complex specialized ones.
MalvmMalvm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they use the marks connective tissues leave on bone in order to estimate the body mass of fossils.
samjc23
Although it's important to remember that with a lot of dinosaurs we don't have full skeletons available to us.
TopKek2012
When you got high enough speech level in fallout and you bullshit through everything
Paleoman
Yes, but that doesn't account for fatty or cartilaginous structures. Not to mention skin flaps and unexpected behaviors.
MisterJellyBean
I imagine it's a similar process as people who reconstruct facial features on skeletons, but realize, those depictions typically don't match
MisterJellyBean
reconstructions on the same skull by others in the field, and they are inadmissible in court b/c it doesn't pass the Daubert test.
WhimsicalCalamari
but was this always the case? This book may have been talking about older techniques, or even (as it's a textbook) what a student might do
Callistan
Dunno about this book, but the techniques for examining bones has improved dramatically. Compare dino drawings from 50 yrs ago and today.
MrPigu
Also the would not mistake a hippopotamus as a predator because the main way to work out if an animal is a predator is if its eyes are 1/2
YharnamsFinest
And then you look at a lot of predatory dinosaurs and they have eyes on the side of their skulls.
MrPigu
Thanks it would let me post the other half
foghole
Wouldn't be able to correct you even if you were wrong
AliElkie
"Oh, a fact! No someone said its wrong. Now someone else is saying THATS wrong. I don't know what to believe anymore"
Magpiebones
The weight estimations can still differ in several thousand kilograms. :F
NappaTheFriendlyGhost
Regardless of this The hippo one is pretty accurate... not a predator but really nothing fucks with it because of it's jaw.
CultofCedar
Meh eye placement and teeth are usually big indicators no matter what kind of animal it is
ShowMeYourButtonhole
You are mostly correct.
Infuuri
WhatRaySay
I'm interested, can you elaborate a little or provide a source to spare me from googling myself in circles?
Paleoman
We can find muscle and ligament attachment sites, and roughly know muscle shape and structure. But it is still impossible to know what (1)
ShowMeYourButtonhole
We do it with humans in forensic facial reconstruction based on what we know of musculature and anatomy. Same with animals. Same with dinos!
WhatRaySay
Thanks! So, muscle mass, fat tissue, things like that - we can piece all of this together from imprints on the bones?
ShowMeYourButtonhole
Yes! It's amazing. For example: http://images.gizmag.com/inline/caspar-berger-skeleton-6.jpg
Paleoman
(3/3) This book is a collection of art that uses reasonable speculation to fill in these gaps in fun and exciting ways to visualize these.
Paleoman
(2) sort of subcutaneous fat, skin flaps, display structures, and odd behaviors an animal might have from its bones alone. (2/3)
MimicOctopi
Each bone has what's called processes--certain markings in the bone. They tell us a lot about location, connections, and uses.
ButIDidntDieThoughItWasAJoke
The somewhat best kind of correct
iLikeBeerandSquirrels
Well technically speaking...
troublecliff
One of the better kinds of soeaking...
gilliamv
i disagree. bathtub is the better kind of soaking.