“We are here, and this is now.” Constable Visit, a strict believer in the Omnian religion, occasionally quoted that from their holy book. Vimes understood it to mean, in less exalted copper speak, that you have to do the job that is in front of you.
When "the biggest problem" is those in power, "the problem is too big & expensive," so small problems (culture wars) become effective misdirection to help those in power to stay in power & accumulate/consolidate even more wealth & power.
To an extent. Some problems need to be dealt with first because they will continually create more problems the longer they go unchecked. Doing some of the small stuff is just treating the symptoms, not the root cause. Sometimes you DO have to do the big stuff. But the small stuff shouldn't be ignored. It needs to be properly identified and managed.
When I do that, I decide I'm gonna fold the laundry, then I see a lightbulb that's out, and an hour later I'm trying to find a screwdriver and my battery charger and the clothes are still not done.
This is a very important statement. These terrorist baby killers who inhabit 88% of US congress and the White house at the moment are doing everything they can to distract us literally every moment of the day with their moral monstery. Yeah, we need to keep that shit in our back pocket while we ORGANIZE FOR DIRECT ACTION in our local neighborhoods. It's one of Steven Covey's habits "Focus in your circle of influence", meaning on the things you can actually realistically DO something about now.
Thanks for the reminder. I don’t think it’s going to work like that, though. The people who support the TBKs are all out here, too, hunting Anne Frank. No-one I know is willing to think beyond the “We’re protesting” stage.
The administration is violating constitutional rights of non-citizens so they can sell the public on doing it to citizens or just strip citizenship, without having to prove anything before the law, and with the blessing of court and legislature.
#1 engineers take a large, difficult problem and break it down into smaller, more easily solved problems. Politicians take a bunch of smaller problems and bundle them together into a larger problem no one can solve.
I would like to suggest that this CAN BE bad advice. Culture war complaints rely on this logic to distract you. When a person asks you about trans rights for instance, they probably want to avoid something. For better or worse less than 0.15% of our society is trans, and leave them alone is easy. But fixing failure of our schools is hard. So when you say fix the schools and they say "get men out of girls bathrooms" it would be better to say "After the school is fixed we can discuss that"
How is "solve the problems you can and don't listen to people who tell you to only worry about solving the problem they think is the only worthy problem" bad advice? Solve what you can, stop telling people to not solve problems. Unless you mean "stop trying to solve problems that aren't problems" like "men in girls bathrooms" thing WAS a solved problem until men started chasing women into bathrooms to harass them for not being feminine enough, but that's a gross misrepresentation of what I said.
It is not a failure, nor hypocrisy, to use the world as it exists, To make it better than it is.
The perfect tool to build the perfect world, will not exist, until that world exists. When the tools get better, then use those better tools. Until then, you must use the tools that exist now, to make the better tools and better world you seek.
Yes, we are forced to still use fossil fuels and petroleum products, to build the future that is without them.
True. However, some problems should be focused on 1st given they have a limited time to be fixed. I get that the post isn't stating not to, but it comes off a bit dismissive about big problems that people focus on but are ignored by politicians and corporations. Global warming, wars, genocide, etc. I'm all for handling what you can when you can, but these problems should be worried about and continuously brought up since they're happening.
This sounds similar to a non-zero day approach i use to getting things done. Are you writing something? Write one word, now you have made more than zero progress. This often balloons into more than "one word", but sometimes it's just one and that's ok. I'll go into my garage to pick up one thing and put it away, and usually end up putting away a bunch of stuff. Or to just look at a project and think about the next steps.
The copenhagen interpretation of ethics is just a way for people who view themselves as distinct from the system in which the problem exists to blame everyone rather than grapple with the problem in an honest and constructive manner, as it justifies blaming even those who have done all they can do. It turns everyone into the villain except the system itself. It blames people working on solving problems that can't be solved instantly for not having solved them yesterday.
Understood. I shouldn't worry about fixing my car or paying off my debt or helping that abused child not feel afraid of the world in which they live because there's a Nazi in the White House.
Yes, that kid is fucked. 27 different ways. Don't know why people are still having kids. Because you've settled for the people who wouldn't do what needed to be done about the Nazis, they're coming for that kid if he's gay, or Mexican, or dares to speak out against christofascism. Comfort would be a shitty lie.
I agree, but eventually that energy will stop. On a human scale we can solve problems for ourselves using that energy. On a universal scale, its a different story, entropy wins.
On a universal scale, the roof will eventually leak. But it doesn't have to leak today. It doesn't have to leak this century. It doesn't have to leak within the lifetime of our ability to survive. Once we can no longer survive what does it matter whether entropy eventually makes it leak after we're gone?
It doesnt, but the meme didnt say it reduces the problems facing humans, it said it reduces the problems in the universe. It put it in a universal scale not a human one
Ah yes, taking what's said strictly by a hyper-specific literal interpretation instead of in the spirit in which is it obviously meant. Winning arguments while still being wrong for the sake of winning arguments since never.
And who knows? Maybe the horse will learn to sing. (For those not familiar with the story, this essentially means: over the long period of time until the problem actually hits us, maybe we'll find a solution. Entropy is the law of the universe now, but we don't know what we'll learn in the millions of years the cosmos has left. If we can survive that long, maybe we'll find out some way around it. Or maybe not, but it's a long time until it really becomes a problem.)
That's actually a good point. Our current understanding of entropy is, if we are being truly honest with ourselves about our understanding, merely a phenomenological projection, not actual ontology.
You don't understand. If there's no greed, there's no poverty, no famine, no war, no pollution, no disease. Hell, even religion may go away. For as long as there's greed, there's no fix_poverty.
I think that's giving plain old greed a hell of a lot more significance than it really has. It's a major contributing factor to most of our problems, along with tribalism and toxic nostalgia and fear of critical thought, but not the actual root cause of any of them.
There is one. An education system based on altruism and critical thinking. It is very workable. I think the Nordic countries have something close to that.
That would only serve to mitigate some of the problems caused by greed, it won't solve greed as a problem. But to that end... there are other problems that need to be solved before your suggests can be put into place... Namely there needs to be a cultural shift in the right direction. Cultural shifts don't happen artificially. They require exigent circumstances. So I'm focused on what I can actually do something about.
I already answered that question. You don't "do" a cultural shift. It happens on its own in response to exigent circumstances. That is to say it happens on its own in a crisis, and it takes an unpredictable path when it happens. That path might not take society in the necessary direction to accomplish the desired task. As for trying to force it with education, won't work. You can lead a person to knowledge, but you can't make them think, and right now, most people in *our* society *don't* think.
Entropy only applies in closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system. The universe might be, but that's beside the point. We’ve got 3.8×10²⁶ watts of solar input to spend on solving problems. Use it or lose it. Yeah, the roof will leak eventually. But not today. Not this century. Not while we’re still here fixing it. Once we’re gone, entropy can have it. Until then, we’ve got work to do.
*sigh* So very incorrect. Earth is not a closed system, it constantly receives energy from the sun, and even a bit from the rest of the cosmos. That flow of energy is exactly why we’re able to keep solving problems in the first place.
I love your hopefulness and enthusiasm, OP, I appreciate your optimism more than you could know, and I'm sorry for being pedantic... But now you're talking about real physics, and that's something that I enjoy.
You might be being pedantic, but you're also wrong. If the Earth were a closed system, it would not be receiving energy from the sun. It's not hopefulness, it's simply the way reality is. We have probably another 4-5 billion years left. Entropy will eventually win, but when it does it won't matter because we won't have been around for ages before then
After years of struggling with various frustrations, I finally got my wife's computer and mine to talk to each other on Win10. Passwords this, discovery that, network name the other... Microsoft makes things Sofa King hard, and their help forums are like reading a Wikipedia Article on Fermat's Last Theorem. Probably true, but totally incomprehensible (to an innumerate like me). So yay, a checkmark for Wednesday.
Probably the most annoying thing about Windows. Every pair of machines that you want to connect manages to behave completely differently. All I want to do is move a directory of files from one place to another like once a year lol.
Sounds like the XP days where every month they'd change their mind on how remote authentication *should* work which had NOTHING to do with how it *did* work which itself would change every week.
Brother Man, if you're willing to wade through hours of MS forums, you'll actually appreciate linux distros' wikis and forums. Some of it will be obtuse at first but importantly the majority of it will actually be useful/helpful and with time actually help you understand the /whys/ and /hows/ which make tackling the next challenge so much easier.
I'm the user. I spent decades as a programmer, beginning with FORTRAN on a UNIVAC 1108, then on IBM machines using OS/VS2 JCL, VM/CMS, PL1, Algol, PL/C, and a bunch of others. I mention this only so you know I'm not just a script kiddie ... But you're right, I never got into telecommunications protocols and have to rely on others for help in that area.
It's the security updates that matter. It's why users of XP and 7 are targeted. People don't like all the updates, but many of them are to patch security flaws. They find new security flaws all of the time.
I’m fucken worried about my lab PC. I dumped years into getting all the software and code tuned perfectly to run my experiment. And it has internet access to communicate with external databases. It’s a high-end PC from 2015, absolutely plenty of power, but no TPM module. Having to wipe it and reconfigure it for no real relevant improvements that I can identify completely goes against the philosophy of “Windows is the work horse of the digital world.”
Sticklebrickk
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
BrokenAnimal
“We are here, and this is now.” Constable Visit, a strict believer in the Omnian religion, occasionally quoted that from their holy book. Vimes understood it to mean, in less exalted copper speak, that you have to do the job that is in front of you.
HabitCreature
If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly- G.K. Chesterton
EternalStudent07
Or just do something. You start.
precrimapr
Progress over perfection
OperatorWay
When "the biggest problem" is those in power, "the problem is too big & expensive," so small problems (culture wars) become effective misdirection to help those in power to stay in power & accumulate/consolidate even more wealth & power.
MissSiesta
So... You're saying kill Trump first...?
Vysard
To an extent. Some problems need to be dealt with first because they will continually create more problems the longer they go unchecked. Doing some of the small stuff is just treating the symptoms, not the root cause. Sometimes you DO have to do the big stuff. But the small stuff shouldn't be ignored. It needs to be properly identified and managed.
TheMoonBnuuy
So those problems have to be solved before I clean vacuum my floor? Before I fix my vehicle?
RenaissanceFaireMan
Ah, the "broken window" strategy.
JackHL01
hyperchondriac
When I do that, I decide I'm gonna fold the laundry, then I see a lightbulb that's out, and an hour later I'm trying to find a screwdriver and my battery charger and the clothes are still not done.
Becker37
I'd kinda just rather die. One less bag of shit taking up space. That could only help the world
NChomsky
This is a very important statement. These terrorist baby killers who inhabit 88% of US congress and the White house at the moment are doing everything they can to distract us literally every moment of the day with their moral monstery. Yeah, we need to keep that shit in our back pocket while we ORGANIZE FOR DIRECT ACTION in our local neighborhoods. It's one of Steven Covey's habits "Focus in your circle of influence", meaning on the things you can actually realistically DO something about now.
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
Thanks for the reminder. I don’t think it’s going to work like that, though. The people who support the TBKs are all out here, too, hunting Anne Frank. No-one I know is willing to think beyond the “We’re protesting” stage.
The administration is violating constitutional rights of non-citizens so they can sell the public on doing it to citizens or just strip citizenship, without having to prove anything before the law, and with the blessing of court and legislature.
nobuduno2
#1 engineers take a large, difficult problem and break it down into smaller, more easily solved problems. Politicians take a bunch of smaller problems and bundle them together into a larger problem no one can solve.
ickyickywoopwoo
I would like to suggest that this CAN BE bad advice. Culture war complaints rely on this logic to distract you. When a person asks you about trans rights for instance, they probably want to avoid something. For better or worse less than 0.15% of our society is trans, and leave them alone is easy. But fixing failure of our schools is hard. So when you say fix the schools and they say "get men out of girls bathrooms" it would be better to say "After the school is fixed we can discuss that"
TheMoonBnuuy
How is "solve the problems you can and don't listen to people who tell you to only worry about solving the problem they think is the only worthy problem" bad advice?
Solve what you can, stop telling people to not solve problems.
Unless you mean "stop trying to solve problems that aren't problems" like "men in girls bathrooms" thing WAS a solved problem until men started chasing women into bathrooms to harass them for not being feminine enough, but that's a gross misrepresentation of what I said.
MADchemEE
Moreover:
It is not a failure, nor hypocrisy,
to use the world as it exists,
To make it better than it is.
The perfect tool to build the perfect world, will not exist, until that world exists.
When the tools get better, then use those better tools.
Until then, you must use the tools that exist now, to make the better tools and better world you seek.
Yes, we are forced to still use fossil fuels and petroleum products, to build the future that is without them.
ThatuldoPig
True. However, some problems should be focused on 1st given they have a limited time to be fixed. I get that the post isn't stating not to, but it comes off a bit dismissive about big problems that people focus on but are ignored by politicians and corporations. Global warming, wars, genocide, etc. I'm all for handling what you can when you can, but these problems should be worried about and continuously brought up since they're happening.
do7rkb5n
This sounds similar to a non-zero day approach i use to getting things done. Are you writing something? Write one word, now you have made more than zero progress. This often balloons into more than "one word", but sometimes it's just one and that's ok. I'll go into my garage to pick up one thing and put it away, and usually end up putting away a bunch of stuff. Or to just look at a project and think about the next steps.
goboltz
I Solved All of it with 4 words. "Not My Fucking Problem" ! Everyone fix you OWN shit, Stop handing off your Problems!
TheMoonBnuuy
In that case I'll be the first to not throw you a rope if you wind up in quick sand, even if by no fault of your own.
AliensProbably
https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/QXpxioWSQcNuNnNTy/the-copenhagen-interpretation-of-ethics
TheMoonBnuuy
Also, Effective Altruism is just Technocracy with a TED Talk filter
TheMoonBnuuy
The copenhagen interpretation of ethics is just a way for people who view themselves as distinct from the system in which the problem exists to blame everyone rather than grapple with the problem in an honest and constructive manner, as it justifies blaming even those who have done all they can do.
It turns everyone into the villain except the system itself. It blames people working on solving problems that can't be solved instantly for not having solved them yesterday.
AliensProbably
I think i agree with that assessment, but suspect it's my butthurt down vote faerie from 2022 that's following me around still. Bless him.
SoItBegins
Relentless Incrementalism
IGotTheMusicInMe425
Band name!!
Xerxes4242
On the contrary, if you can't address the giant, existential threat problems, dicking around with the the little shit doesn't matter.
TheMoonBnuuy
Understood.
I shouldn't worry about fixing my car or paying off my debt or helping that abused child not feel afraid of the world in which they live because there's a Nazi in the White House.
Xerxes4242
Yes, that kid is fucked. 27 different ways. Don't know why people are still having kids. Because you've settled for the people who wouldn't do what needed to be done about the Nazis, they're coming for that kid if he's gay, or Mexican, or dares to speak out against christofascism. Comfort would be a shitty lie.
TheMoonBnuuy
Excuse me for daring to try to help people without first consulting you, the world's head arbiter of what problems are allowed to be solved.
HogWashDiddler
Entropy has entered the chat....
Hexrowe
Literally the _very last_ thing on any conceivable list of things to do something about.
TheMoonBnuuy
Earth is not a closed system, and we’ve got 3.8×10²⁶ watts of solar input to spend on solving problems. Use it or lose it.
Vorphalack
Excellent reply. +1
HogWashDiddler
I agree, but eventually that energy will stop. On a human scale we can solve problems for ourselves using that energy. On a universal scale, its a different story, entropy wins.
TheMoonBnuuy
On a universal scale, the roof will eventually leak.
But it doesn't have to leak today. It doesn't have to leak this century. It doesn't have to leak within the lifetime of our ability to survive. Once we can no longer survive what does it matter whether entropy eventually makes it leak after we're gone?
HogWashDiddler
It doesnt, but the meme didnt say it reduces the problems facing humans, it said it reduces the problems in the universe. It put it in a universal scale not a human one
TheMoonBnuuy
Ah yes, taking what's said strictly by a hyper-specific literal interpretation instead of in the spirit in which is it obviously meant.
Winning arguments while still being wrong for the sake of winning arguments since never.
Gogoglovitch
And who knows? Maybe the horse will learn to sing. (For those not familiar with the story, this essentially means: over the long period of time until the problem actually hits us, maybe we'll find a solution. Entropy is the law of the universe now, but we don't know what we'll learn in the millions of years the cosmos has left. If we can survive that long, maybe we'll find out some way around it. Or maybe not, but it's a long time until it really becomes a problem.)
HogWashDiddler
We never know what we'll learn tomorrow.
TheMoonBnuuy
That's actually a good point. Our current understanding of entropy is, if we are being truly honest with ourselves about our understanding, merely a phenomenological projection, not actual ontology.
irisewithredeyes
Fix greed. If that is fixed, a lot of other problems will basically sort themselves out.
Hexrowe
Fix _poverty._ Greed can go fuck itself.
irisewithredeyes
You don't understand. If there's no greed, there's no poverty, no famine, no war, no pollution, no disease. Hell, even religion may go away. For as long as there's greed, there's no fix_poverty.
Hexrowe
I think that's giving plain old greed a hell of a lot more significance than it really has. It's a major contributing factor to most of our problems, along with tribalism and toxic nostalgia and fear of critical thought, but not the actual root cause of any of them.
irisewithredeyes
Toxic nostalgia, tribalism, and fear of critical thought... you mean, lack of education? Why is there a lack of education?
Hexrowe
No, I mean fear of critical thought. Lack of good honest education is only one aspect and symptom of that.
TheMoonBnuuy
propose a workable solution
irisewithredeyes
There is one. An education system based on altruism and critical thinking. It is very workable. I think the Nordic countries have something close to that.
TheMoonBnuuy
That would only serve to mitigate some of the problems caused by greed, it won't solve greed as a problem. But to that end... there are other problems that need to be solved before your suggests can be put into place... Namely there needs to be a cultural shift in the right direction.
Cultural shifts don't happen artificially. They require exigent circumstances.
So I'm focused on what I can actually do something about.
irisewithredeyes
How do you do a cultural shift... besides education? Add cultural education to the damn altruism and critical thinking. It's still education.
TheMoonBnuuy
I already answered that question. You don't "do" a cultural shift. It happens on its own in response to exigent circumstances. That is to say it happens on its own in a crisis, and it takes an unpredictable path when it happens. That path might not take society in the necessary direction to accomplish the desired task.
As for trying to force it with education, won't work. You can lead a person to knowledge, but you can't make them think, and right now, most people in *our* society *don't* think.
nation543
Entropy is the universe's given language, though.
TheMoonBnuuy
Entropy only applies in closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system. The universe might be, but that's beside the point. We’ve got 3.8×10²⁶ watts of solar input to spend on solving problems. Use it or lose it. Yeah, the roof will leak eventually. But not today. Not this century. Not while we’re still here fixing it. Once we’re gone, entropy can have it. Until then, we’ve got work to do.
nation543
The Earth absolutely is a closed system, we are our own unit.
TheMoonBnuuy
*sigh*
So very incorrect. Earth is not a closed system, it constantly receives energy from the sun, and even a bit from the rest of the cosmos. That flow of energy is exactly why we’re able to keep solving problems in the first place.
nation543
TheMoonBnuuy
the wagon's handle must penetrate the wall to be pulled by the sun, which means it's not a closed system, your illustration is self refuting
nation543
I love your hopefulness and enthusiasm, OP, I appreciate your optimism more than you could know, and I'm sorry for being pedantic... But now you're talking about real physics, and that's something that I enjoy.
TheMoonBnuuy
You might be being pedantic, but you're also wrong.
If the Earth were a closed system, it would not be receiving energy from the sun.
It's not hopefulness, it's simply the way reality is.
We have probably another 4-5 billion years left. Entropy will eventually win, but when it does it won't matter because we won't have been around for ages before then
AyatollahBahloni
After years of struggling with various frustrations, I finally got my wife's computer and mine to talk to each other on Win10. Passwords this, discovery that, network name the other... Microsoft makes things Sofa King hard, and their help forums are like reading a Wikipedia Article on Fermat's Last Theorem. Probably true, but totally incomprehensible (to an innumerate like me). So yay, a checkmark for Wednesday.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Probably the most annoying thing about Windows. Every pair of machines that you want to connect manages to behave completely differently. All I want to do is move a directory of files from one place to another like once a year lol.
Yakeshinu
RicheTheBuddha
Congratulations!
eiger3970
Why use MS? Let’s solve the problem of Plato’s Cave, stop watching the shadows.
tbk654
Sounds like the XP days where every month they'd change their mind on how remote authentication *should* work which had NOTHING to do with how it *did* work which itself would change every week.
FractalShoggoth
Good morning valued Microsoft customer
I see you are having problems with the Windows 10 password. Please do the following steps exactly and reply whether this has resolved your problem.
1. Go into your BIOS and disable the second option on the third page
2. Boot into safe mode and uninstall your network drivers
3. Reformat your primary disk partition
4. Purchase a new PC at microsoft.com
Did this resolve the issue?
witchOfTheEast
Brother Man, if you're willing to wade through hours of MS forums, you'll actually appreciate linux distros' wikis and forums. Some of it will be obtuse at first but importantly the majority of it will actually be useful/helpful and with time actually help you understand the /whys/ and /hows/ which make tackling the next challenge so much easier.
Isorikk
Are you referring to hostnames? That's not really a Microsoft thing haha
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AyatollahBahloni
I'm the user. I spent decades as a programmer, beginning with FORTRAN on a UNIVAC 1108, then on IBM machines using OS/VS2 JCL, VM/CMS, PL1, Algol, PL/C, and a bunch of others. I mention this only so you know I'm not just a script kiddie ... But you're right, I never got into telecommunications protocols and have to rely on others for help in that area.
Isorikk
I'm surprised you never encountered even simple IPv4 stuff then, it hasn't really changed since the 90's.
BrokenKnuckle
.... and then they stop supporting it in 6 months.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/complete-guide-to-windows-end-of-support?msockid=15d3df495bf6661e2c0ecbf15a0367a0
Isorikk
Luckily network protocols aren't really specific to an OS and they could just upgrade to 11, or not, it'll still work
SirButcher
The end of support doesn't mean windows 10 suddenly becomes unusable. They will just stop publishing regular updates to regular users.
BrokenKnuckle
It's the security updates that matter. It's why users of XP and 7 are targeted. People don't like all the updates, but many of them are to patch security flaws. They find new security flaws all of the time.
bashuan
I absolutely advise people to stop using windows 10 the day (before) support stops.
Isorikk
I advise people to stop using it now, absolutely no reason to put it off
dotslashsandwich
I’m fucken worried about my lab PC. I dumped years into getting all the software and code tuned perfectly to run my experiment. And it has internet access to communicate with external databases. It’s a high-end PC from 2015, absolutely plenty of power, but no TPM module. Having to wipe it and reconfigure it for no real relevant improvements that I can identify completely goes against the philosophy of “Windows is the work horse of the digital world.”
necroticon
The reason to put it off is that Win11 is a flaming hot pile of garbage.
Arkandos
Win11 is a problem filled garbage can. I'll stick with my stable bag of garbage for now.