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EroticZombiePants
This breaks down just how extensively the act could affect the election: https://www.voterparticipation.org/the-save-america-act-by-the-numbers-how-millions-of-eligible-voters-could-be-affected/
bambinod
I don't understand why you even NEED to be a "legal US citizen" to vote. Politicians act on behalf of the people LIVING in their district, or for the president, living anywhere in the USA. The entire point of voting is for the "constituents" (people the official acts on behalf of) to be chosen BY those same people. The laws they pass and the decisions they make don't just affect the people that can "prove" they're eligible to vote, they affect everyone.
Dachsmeisterin420
Oh cool. Name changes fuck with it really cool and good for trans folks
bexxMaker
PunnyTiger
impeachment only works if the impeached individual fucking leaves. he's been impeached twice and falled it fake news and there were 0 repercussions
nintendolunchbox
I'm surprised they aren't trying to make only white men land owners having permission to vote.
lostwalllet
I just helped my friend replace his lost naturalization certificate that was lost in a fire. Even with solid documentation it took a year to process.
ForPriestSake
I just paid extra at an airport cause I somehow missed what a REAL ID was. I showed my drivers license and they said I needed my real ID and it just got more confusing from there. “This is my real ID, that’s me”
Just annoying cause nothing changes except you get a little colored line on your drivers license
isthisjunkmail
Red team continues to be gross. Ick.
ElbowDeepInSaintCelestine
My passport cost me about $80 but I guess that varies from state to state
cousteau
Still, get a passport. You'll find it useful later when you need to flee that shithole country because it has irreparably gone to shit.
NopeScope101
I hope you guys are SAVE there! I send my condolences from Europe.
sadurdaynight
Designed to screw renters and mobile people. Basically trying to get back to only the long term land owners having a vote.
thinkybrainpains
white male wealthy land owners, like in 1780 elections
dirtcreature
Counterpoint: every American not having a passport is insane. Not having ID to vote is insane. Not having ID is insane. Not phasing this in over 5-10 years is insane. We're a first world country and need to act like one. The assumption that we're all adults has been proven wrong. Nevermind Trump - he's just doing this so it looks like he didn't cause Jan 6. Having ID is a real benefit to all: jobs, banks, loans, voting, benefits, etc. time to grow up people.
sarda
Ignoring that there are plenty of things that count as ID but won't be good enough under the proposed rules (such as the things posted in the picture you didn't read), are you offering to pay for everyone who can't afford to go get a passport or Real ID, including spending time working through all the secondary bureaucracy for those who don't have all the necessary documents to get one?
dirtcreature
This old story of excuses. Living costs money. Your responsibility from birth until death is to be a citizen. Citizenship has requirements. There are two arguments here that get conflated: having a passport and paying for it which disenfranchises people. This is the Democrat argument. So get into power and make it a law that everyone needs a passport to vote and it is paid for by the government. Instead, the Democrats only argument is to not do it at all. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
EveryoneSaysEverythingHereisAI
In 1790, only white male adult property-owners had the right to vote. I think that's what they're trying to slowly get back to!
https://www.inf">g-rights">https://www.infoplease.com/history/us/us-voting-rights /m8zkQdB
JohnSmithterms
Obviously ...
FreddyFender
This is exactly true. Weak men fear all others.
Zeterai
"Slowly"
unluckyandbored
Oh, and we're not talking about the average homeowner here. Most homeowners are mortgaged. That means you don't legally own the property. The BANK does.
robpaschal
I know many conservatives who voice this opinion.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
They're also gonna selectively enforce the shit out of it.
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
Nicely done. Now only the rich need vote.
Frozenspokes
That's the plan.
Resistance1000
*can
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
Both, I would hazard.
The GOP only wants their patrons to fill out those ballots.
StellarJay77
You say that like it wasn't what they've been wanting back this whole time.
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
I offer no dispute. Their plan is reaching its targets, unfortunately.
VindictiveBathToaster
Sh4dowWalker96
Not to mention that Real ID is fucking stupid.
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
I got an eight year license. Not a Real ID.
StellarJay77
Haven't voted for a year? Purged from voter registration.
McMurrayHowAreYaNow
Forget everything else, the insanity is that it's solving a problem that doesn't exist. The Heritage Foundation (of project 2025 fame) run an ongoing study on election fraud. Even they show that there's only been roughly 2k cases of confirmed fraud over 30.uears of tracking. Which amounts to a ridiculously really really really small percentage of total votes. Functionally equal to having no effect on any election whatsoever.
angusd
And after 99% of their (MAGA) voters were rejected at the polls, because they don't own a passport (or a birth certificate mismatch), they cry foul and election fraud.
Leaveittojebus
They're going to scream voter fraud one way or another. Cast doubt on the whole election system all day every day, all while the Heritage Foundation works on their plans to steal elections.
Zixtank
You have to buy your passport?
gemaeuer
Is it for free where you live? Here in Germany I also have to pay 70 bucks.
Zixtank
Actually, now that I look it up (which I haven't done in years) you have to buy it here in Norway too. But damn, 165 bucks is a lot.
gemaeuer
might be because it's so rare in the US :-) Scarcity drives up the price!
Iblamemyparentstoo
Yes, in the US a passport cost 165.00
Poppypoppoppop
In short, aggressive voters suppression. From the guy who has always done it by mail.
Bizarkly
Thank goodness I kept my birth certificate around -- from when *I had to proffer it to get my official state ID*!" 🤦♂️
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
Do you know HOW hard it is to get a replacement? Because I do.
Bizarkly
Yes -- because I had to go back to the county where I had lived when I was born. *Fortunately*, I still live in the same state -- so it was a bit easier for me. My SO lives a couple of states away from where she was born, and she's not looking forward to *having* to travel all the way back there just for that.
ThisOldCPU
Ah yes, the birth certificate duplicated on an old mimeograph when I was born? And when I went and got a replacement35 years later, it was printed on a laser printer at an angle?
MMMhmm, super secure.
BarnegatLight
I still have my original birth certificate, raised seal and everything. And absolutely no one accepts it because it looks like an old microfiche printout.
purpledd
Precursor to massive voter list purges like Modi (India's Trump) did recently to consolidate power https://www.democracynow.org/2026/5/7/india_state_elections
hellsgunslinger
Which is even more bullshit when you consider i had to show a passport to get a real ID. Not sure if thats the case everywhere but it was where im at.
FrisbeeSloths
I live in one of those fun states where I can get a passport but not a real ID even with my passport unless I get married. If I get married then my spouse can come down with me and sign a paper saying I'm a resident of the state. On the flip side my SO was able to get his without showing them anything while renewing his license. Yay Merica!
M1ntysandwich
Had to bring a utility bill, tax bill, and my birth certificate. Still not good enough to vote ffs
davesaint01930
I dont have any utility bills in my name, and I'm paperless for banking. I had every other document needed and got denied for a real id. Fuck the government
tlh1138
In NC, had to show birth certificate and a document like a utility bill with my name and address on it. Still wouldn’t be good enough. So stupid.
igoslow
same
mohavewolfpup
Birth certificate, bill of some kind and if I wanted to go overboard a signed document from the owner of where I lived to get a real ID. Laughable really to get the real ID
staniclees12
I remember when I got my real id. I forgot to bring a bill with my address but had a peice of mail from a federal agency that I have to be a part of for my job. They told me that wasn't good enough and that it needed to be a bill. As if a federal agency is easier to fake than signing up for a service at an address that I don't live at. It is such a joke. I blew up at the poor dmv lady and then apologized once I calmed down since its not her fault.
mremaknu
US citizens need birth certificate, unexpired US passport, or naturalization docs + two proofs of residency (stuff that shows where you live and that you live there, like lease/mortgage/paystubs/bank documents). If the state skipped the residency proof they did it wrong, which is part of why every state has to re-verify your docs if you move.
mremaknu
I like how somebody went down this chain and downvoted random bits from me and mohavewolfpup for no readily apparent reason. This one, which is nothing but basic facts on how to get a REAL ID, is especially funny.
mohavewolfpup
No, they didn't skip anything. Otherwise I would have just been issued a regular drivers license/id and prohibited from entering a federal building, airplane, etc etc. Having been a paperwork pusher for 10 years, I just flooded them with what I had they listed as requirements on the site and let them do the rest. Got a ID in the mail later with the star to allow access to anything federal
mremaknu
Sending more than the minimum is always safer. I'm amazed they did it without requiring you to provide the physical docs in person though.
mohavewolfpup
I did go in person. Local DMV here is so ass backwards that it's amazing you don't have to send smoke signals and have Billy The Kid Notarize your forms. Tried hiring in also (to move into other state jobs, not to hang my hat) so got to see their backwards inner workings in even more detail. Only recently have they provided more services online, but they are still beyond worthless. Taking the initial written test for a learners permit requires a evasive clean room setup with a webcam spy
CHARCHIMUS
I did not need a passport when i got mine. The only one i have is expired, and i'm not getting a goddamn trump passport, i don't even care.
mremaknu
Okay? I said unexpired passport, OR birth certificate, OR other similar citizenship-and/or-identity-verifying-documents-on-the-approved-federal list.
hellsgunslinger
No way in hell I ever would either. Good news is though those ones are only available in person at the DC passport office so if for some reason (you probably dont but if you did) need a new passport, going through the normal process or online process gets you a regular normal passport. At least thats what I read.
whiskeywonka
https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/save-act-required-forms-of-id-241cff I get the save act is crap, but lets not lie about what it says. Read the bill, REAL ID is acceptable if the state that issued it fully followed the act and not just the portions needed for flying. Its been branded as Enhanced ID and is part of the REAL ID Act. It shouldn't take EID to prove citizenship. The law directs states to establish processes for accepting supplemental documents to link birth certs to REAL ID
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
If they're taking my goddam taxes they're taking my driver's license as proof of identity. Perion.
whiskeywonka
I agree 100%. I am only saying that fighting with misinformation does not help the fight.
DarkZalgo
Deliberately incomplete information like what you provided is still misinformation.
whiskeywonka
I did not deliberately provide incomplete information, I even provided the link to all the correct information, the real id act itself. Anyone who is just using news headlines and social media posts as their argument sources are the issue. read the full act as I posted it.
1Megaton
Last I checked most state’s real ids do NOT prove citizenship.
whiskeywonka
Correct, but it IS part of the 2005 real id act that they COULD do it, but did not have to. sec 202 (c) (2) (B) EVIDENCE OF LAWFUL STATUS https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/COMPS-16376/pdf/COMPS-16376.pdf
DarkZalgo
A whopping five fucking states have enhanced IDs, my dude.
whiskeywonka
I did not say every state. I am pointing out that people are using misinformation. The states are calling 'full compliance' with the act 'enhanced id' because the act left it up to the states to comply, and most decided not to.
DarkZalgo
When a small minority are the only ones that use them, it's not misinformation. You claiming that they are liars because they didn't mention enhanced IDs while deliberately omitting the fact that only a small portion of states use them *is* spreading misinformation.
whiskeywonka
They specifically said that enhanced id wasn't real id and that real id couldn't be used for what was said and wasn't designed to be used for it, which it was. The states had the choice how to comply. That is the misinformation.
DarkZalgo
It says real ID couldn't be used for it, which is true. It doesn't say enhanced ID isn't real ID. It doesn't make a fucking difference that some states use enhanced ID when literally 90% don't.
mremaknu
Enhanced ID and REAL ID have not ever been the same thing, that's a misinterpretation by people who don't understand what either one is actually for.
mremaknu
Enhanced ID/DL is specifically for crossing into Canada without the need for a passport, which is why only a tiny handful of states offer them--the ones that have a ton of Canadian tourist travel. REAL ID is a direct result of 9/11 and standardized requirements for obtaining ID/DL across all states, requiring that states verify identity docs before issuing one, and also check other states' databases to ensure they don't have suspensions or offenses or the like that mean they shouldn't have one.
whiskeywonka
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/COMPS-16376/pdf/COMPS-16376.pdf Enhanced ID is what the states are calling their compliance with the extra requirements. SEC. 202. ø49 U.S.C. 30301 note¿ MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND
ISSUANCE STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL RECOGNITION. Yes they are related, just because it got sold to the public one way, doesnt make it not true in the other.
mremaknu
(re: EID, also mexico and the carribbean, but no southern states offer enhanced ID so I have doubts about how many people are bothering to use them to head that way)
whiskeywonka
Because those states did not want to go to the expense of doing the full real id certifications. Its been left to the states to figure out how to comply and if they even wanted to. Its right in the act itself that states could, but did not have to, indicate legal status. sec 202 (c) (2) (B) EVIDENCE OF LAWFUL STATUS
Tjitso
Switch party? Do you need to register which party you are going to vote for?
phuey200311337
In kansas you do
georgejimmydoodle
In NY, you can, but don't have to. If you do, you can vote in the primary elections of your party. As someone else pointed out, each state has its own election laws.
mithiwithi
In some states.
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
I was shocked to learn that depending on the state, people's voting record information is accessible to law enforcement, government officials, businesses and even members of the general public (among others).
Great democracy you have there.
StellarJay77
Yup, and felons can't vote which a ton of Americans can't seem to wrap their head around why that is some really fucked up voter suppression too. Like what is so difficult about understanding that if a lawmaker doesn't want a certain demographic to vote they simply need to make something that demographic does more than any other illegal or force that demographic to do something illegal? Effectively on demand systemic voter suppression.
PastureofMuppets
If you are voting in primaries which determine which candidate gets added to the final election. Once the elections happen, anyone can vote for any party's candidate. This is ostensibly to prevent sneaky people from another party to advance a bad primary candidate to be the only opposition party candidate on the ballot.
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
I always thought you'd have to be a party member to vote in primaries...?
EroticZombiePants
Some states have open primaries.
CJAW
I'm in a deep red state; I recently voted in the Republican primary because if there's going to be single party rule, I at least want to try to get the shit bag that will fuck things up the least
Tjitso
I understand. In the Netherlands you can vote for a leading party member, like a primary, but you have to be a member of that party. So it's kind of similar, it's just not registered by the government.
Fentex
The U.S is insane and doesn't know how to do honest democracy - and the state sticks it's fingers into what should be the entirely private affair of choosing party candidates.
theobstruction
Political parties should be illegal.
Fentex
No. That is just silly wishful thinking. Political parties will exist no matter you call them or try to legislate - don't even try. They shouldn't have any particular place in the system, that's no concern of the government, except as any incidental law handles corporations and associations.
ForlornHopeful
The whole system needs restructuring, there's not one single thing that'd magically fix things. Something that doesn't get talked about enough, IMO, is the time between elections and then taking power, especially as some of the wankers want to go scorched earth as they're leaving.
Here in the UK elections are Thursdays, results are Friday & Saturday and people are getting sworn in on Monday
barstr7
The problem is that the UK is a LOT smaller than the US. Our population is huge and spread out geographically, including multiple time zones. It takes much longer to vote, count votes and then certify that they are legitimate. I do agree that once a candidate is certified as the winner that they should be sworn in immediately though.
Fentex
I've always liked the idea of a public holiday put aside for elections. In NZ we always do it on a Saturday, these days with weeks before-hand of mailed votes, a few days of early voting and a week or so after for stragglers. It takes a couple of weeks to assert an official result (possible recounts etc), but that hardly changes from what we all know by about 1am the Sunday after voting day.
ForlornHopeful
I like the idea of a public holiday but know that the people who are having difficulty voting now will probably still have issues. The other thing that makes it less necessary, IMO, is that most voting areas only have about 5,500 people in them so you're normally very close to your polling station, as long as you avoid the early morning rush it's normally fairly relaxed. Personally my current 20 minutes is the longest it's taken me there & back in nearly 40 years of voting