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Clayman8
History isnt a straight line, its a circle.
fmcmp1
Well played, Macron.
artie500
Doesn't Congress have to ratify treaties?
Detacheddavid
And the Strait of Hormuz is closed today ... again.
Leviosoooohhhh
Dont forget about the Epstein files
RobertAG25772
That’s also (or rather the rail car is) where France surrendered in the next war. Versailles is the perennial place of surrender.
ulfgarBentbeak
Only by technicality. By the Germans own actions, they didn't see Versailles as the surrender. They saw the ceasefire prior to the peace terms as the surrender (which parallels the current talks). That ceasefire was signed in a specific train car, and Hitler demanded that French surrender in WW2 be signed in that car (as the French had made it into an attraction). He then had the car dynamited.
Pelican3
His staff is as incompetent as he is. Only thing worse would have been on the USS Iowa in the Persian Gulf
CobainsSarcoma
he had no idea. he was signing the bigliest best deal ever in the big fancy castle where everyone was there to watch him.
his followers are proud he's so goddamned stupid and useless because they are stupid and useless themselves.
lalalalsblablabal
All these posts that I am seeing seem like someone doesn’t want this conflict to stop. Could it be that Israel is behind those campaign to antagonize Trump and his narcissistic ego so the agreement doesn’t come.
Hexidimentional
Well he is of german descent, must be in his dna
Frencheeseater
The average german is trustworty and smart, not like this evil guy.
DNA has nothing to do with your personality, you can become what you want to be, needs caracter and self-discipline, two things he lacks.
Hexidimentional
his grandfather left germany in 1919
Frencheeseater
He followed the money ! The US banks had lent the Europeans all the money needed for the war, and then we had to tighten the belt quite a lot for many years to repay all the debts...
Trigfire
Ok maybe chill with the hyperbolic historical comparisons... the US losing yet another pointless war they started and having to pay reparations is a bit of a different scale to being blamed for a world war and being utterly cut up and drained of all wealth by all the world powers at the time after losing literal millions of lives on the battlefield and having your entire government changed according to the victors. I hate Trump, to be clear, but this is just facebook aunt hyperbole.
EmanNiemThcin
Bit of an error there: They did not change the government, like at all. The revolution (which stared before the surrender) did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_revolution_of_1918%E2%80%931919
Peden1
108 days, $132 billion tax payers dollars... What a jabroni
BillHubbard
The real cost: 25 casualties on the American side. 30K (mostly civilians) in Iran.
Peden1
Unbelievable
SergeyPrkl
So. It will go worse within 20 years. Brace.
friendsofsandwiches
He wouldn't even get it.
You could explain the whole thing to him, and he'd likely nap off halfway through the explanation.
drcookieninja
Or he would interrupt you and say my treat is so much better isn't it, bigger, more beautiful
AlterSack
halfway?
BeckyLookAtHerButt
Yep, so much winning. We're not used to winning this much.
philomemo9000
I was thinking of that. It was where the IIWW started. BTW the peace treat could be possitive for USA if they get to control Who and how enters to iran comercial opening for the rest of the world (funding those 300.000M in the way)
fubizdaddie
1- Thinking seems to be a strong word. 2- it was absolutely not. 3- You are one of ten to twenty humans uneducated enough here to make that suggestion. Not even trump is making that claim. Iran believes that Iran explicitly has the rights to enact tolls, so it's not intelligent to suggest that they would give that right to the US, so the US can use it to pay off their debt to Iran. "Here, take this money opportunity we own, and use what you get from it to pay us what you owe us." Ridiculous.
philomemo9000
This another way.
Hey Big enterprises, from oil, power, miners, hotels,... wanna go to Iran? Well thats where all those millions could come from.
Look about desert storm, war, death, to do that same in Irak. This is a way could give benefit both USA, and Iran and solve this problem and even more. In Irak USA had to put troops, money,... and still doesnt work properly. In this case Iran officials would do all the work, not insurgencies, no death, no troops on the ground,...
philomemo9000
All Happy and prosperous. Well, is one that wont be Happy... but as this actual scenario its the goal of their actions, any consewuence should have had right? And of course this is far away but could be a start in a thing that even Israel could turn to a good point for everyone
philomemo9000
I mean its a chance!!!! A mutual possitive chance to clear the situation and still taking an advantage !!!both!!!
On the other way... nothing, only war and destruction.
philomemo9000
I would like to remember what you guys did in Europe, Japan, Korea,.. with the plan Marshall. And what to Irak, Afganistan,... This can be a turnpoint in a growth to the future
TeamToasterNeverForget
Wasn’t WWI settled in a train cart?
zHurk777
The armistice to end the fighting was in a train car. The actual diplomatic end of the war was the signing of the Treaty of Versailles in the Hall of Mirrors.
MayIRun
The ww1 armistice (1918) was signed in that famous train car, the so called compiègne wagon, in the forest of compiègne.
To take revenge, hitler, after the battle of france and the succesfull invasion, brought the exact same train car back to the exact same place to humiliate the french and let them sign the armistice and surrender to the nazis (1940).
In versailles (1919) the peace treaty to end the state of war between germany and the allied powers was signed.
rolliefingers
Well I mean it's not like Germany took extreme measures to redress that humiliation or anything, so I'm sure this will all be fine
Frencheeseater
It also put them in an extreme situation, the French army occupied the Ruhr in the 20ies to force Germany to pay, and a big monetary crisis happened (a wheelbarrow or Mark banknotes to buy a lump of bread).
All of this to repay the American banks...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Ruhr
rolliefingers
If bread came in lumps then I think that was the real underlying problem
Frencheeseater
Loaf of bread, if you prefer :D My point is that the excessive reparations had consequences over the inflation, and Germans sufferred from it, so it fueled anger and the rise of the nazis.
Take care, be safe, heat wave cooling a bit in Western France...
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Careful, with a national humiliation like that some form of dangerous extremist nationalism might rise in America. Oh, wait...
Wholivesinapineappleunderthetree
Beware the Freikorps
reineseele
If most republicans could read or cared for any truth they wouldnt be republicans...
nikinnorway12
it's happening in reverse?!?
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Hopefully the opposite kind of extremism this time around
Leaveittojebus
thedarkcanuck
You said it, man
RobertAG25772
I don’t countenance ANY form of extremism. But we do need to fundamentally change direction.
CinnamonBunny
The comment of the week :D
EatPieLander
Mitheral
Why wouldn't the map maker switch California's and Yellowstone's colour.
Frencheeseater
What are the white holes on the map ? The craters from nukes ?
hairyinire
Time to get the Shadowrun rulebook out again.
samwyze
The Free Tribes of The Mojave will never suffer colonial rule!
Schism666
But before you can enjoy the Golden 20s!
HighSorcerer
I was really hoping we'd see the rise of electro-swing and fashionable night clubs in a futuristic reimagining of the 1920s but no we got the rise of fascism instead. It's the worst timeline.
samwyze
It was ready to be launched, but nobody went into the metaverse.
TheBigCheese93
They say you should learn from the past, so you can take advantage when it happens again. Nope. Still broke as shit.
SwissScars
The 1919 Treaty of Versailles was a disaster. Even at the time it was noted that the most likely consequence would be another War.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
No it wasn't, the unwillingness of the victors to enforce the terms of the treaty, and the milquetoast-ness of the treaty are what did that. If no restrictions had been placed in the German military, they'd have not been able to rebuild it with the most modern equipment and organization they could afford; and if it had been in line with the other treaties there wouldn't have been a germany to start ww2
FellaWithUmbrella
So just like Trump’s ”Memorandum of Understanding” then.
Uhxohr
Nah it was too lenient. Or rather it wasn't in theory, but in practice it was, given Germany paid only a little fraction of what was in the treaty initially. Not even enough to cover reparations. "This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years" - Foch, 20 years and 65 days before WW2 broke out.
Beardedgeek72
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Margrave9000
Yup. Germany should have been carved up right there and then.
stayme
Didn’t Nazis rearm before the treaty’s terms allowed?
TheRealDude19047
See Junkers takeover by Lufthansa
SwissScars
My grandfather wrote Marshal Foch's biography. Hence my comment.
Uhxohr
Oh interesting, I thought you said that to mean that the versailles treaty was too harsh and the reason for WW2. Which we've seen a lot the last few days. It's literaly used by nazis to deflect their responsibility of starting WW2, and somehow its making a resurgence the last few days because of this Trump treaty, and often from the mouth of rather left leaning people, oblivious to the fact they are repeating nazi talking points I guess.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Yes, a revanchist nationalist who hated Germany since the Franco-Prussian War (a war France started), who wanted to undo everything that happened since then, and whose idea of keeping France safe was to permanently cripple anyone who could threated their hegemony over western Europe.
Sounds like a certain someone telling me that Iran will have a nuke in two months. Maybe they will, and they probably shouldn't, but you'd be a fool to believe they're speaking in the interest of peace.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
You don't build nukes unless you want peace bozo
Beardedgeek72
We have to remember that Germany didn't "owe reparations"; they were just forced to pay them because they lost; they were not more in the wrong or more evil than anyone else in WWI.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
The losers paying the winners money was pretty standard by the time.
But the losing party being forced to take all the blame, not being allowed to be present at the negotiations, not being allowed to keep an army, losing territory to countries that weren't even part of the war, having the treaty amended to include later territorial losses to other parties ... all of those were very much not common. That was a deliberate cruelty. The French were as vindictive as the post-WWI Germans.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
No, they very much enabled the first world war. If they hadn't promised unlimited support to Austria-Hungary then they wouldn't have kicked it off. Simple as
Beardedgeek72
But it's okay when the other side does it?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Blaming someone for a war was a completely new concept at the time. In the modern era european peace treaties included a so-called oblivion clause, basically saying that the treaty ends the conflict and that's that. No blame-pushing, no arguing about who started it.
France didn't have to take blame for the Napoleonic Wars. Or the Franco-Prussian War. They literally made a new rule up after WWI just to extra fuck with Germany.
jasondeslin
You're a fucking moron.
Hitler was able to rise to power because of how devastated the German people were after WW1.
That's why after WW2, instead of reparations and punishments, we helped rebuild.
Nefasi
Yes but no. The treaty was a hot political quagmire but when it came to the terms themselves. Very very little of material exchange occurred. US investors were pumping sooo much new capital in Germany, that it caused France to occupy the Ruhr to get *some* money flowing into France as their North-East industrial zones were falling behind in recovering from the war comparatively (and Germany kept not paying reparations)
I think more capital flowed into Germany post WW1 than post WW2
Beardedgeek72
If "More capital flowed into Germany after WWI" explain why the Mark went into bottomless territory where it took a wheelbarrow of cash to buy food? My great grandfather invested in Mark between the wars and it cost him his farm on the advice of his brother (who sold his investment when he realized it was going down, without telling my great grandpa).
Nefasi
The Great Depression affected many countries. German bankers (and others with large wealth) found it profitable to have hyperinflation to buy up US capital thats being sold dirt cheap. German politics also relied on *not* supporting the treaty (and reparations) and the stoppage of all work in the Ruhr put a massive economic damper on the German economy when France occupied it.
Im sorry for the confusion. It gets convoluted as some Germans profited at the expense of most other Germans
dohcohv
Germany imposed a similar treaty on the French in 1871 after the Franco-prussian war. France paid it off. Germany basically ignored it, stopped paying and began remilitarizing and no one stopped them.
Want to see a "bad" treaty? Look at Brest-Litovsk. Germany thought it was fair to grab thousands of square miles of land and half of Russia's industrial capacity.
dohcohv
Germany ignored the treaty of Versailles(1919)*