Yeah... I just want somebody who wants to be with me as much as I want to be with them. Course, I have all the attractive qualities of a stale heel of white bread, so I will die alone.
And after the verdict went on CNN and said he met her at a place he doesn’t visit except for charity and that she invited him for hanky panky. If wasn’t guilty the first response should be ‘I never raped anyone’ not ‘I don’t know her’
It actually feels like the most believable defense he has. He is demonstrably a rapist. But he doesn't rape everyone. Seems like the most believable defense is that she isn't a likely target.
The correct answer his lawyer should have coached him for us if this question came up is he shouldn't have answered she's not my type to rape as I wouldn't rape anybody. This fall squarely on a complete lack of preparation
I don't know anything about what's going on with the whole Trump thing, but this line of logic doesn't make any sense to me. This basically is trying to say that finding someone attractive=you would rape them.
It just overturns his whole defense, he tried to claim he wouldn't rape her cause she wasn't his type, but then he mistook her for his ex wife. He married his ex wife so she had to have been his type. I'm not saying it's a valid reason for not raping someone, I'm saying that his own actions flips his defense argument.
The statement doesn't imply that he would rape her if she was his type. So the op is definitely wrong. The statement does falsely assert that you are incapable of raping someone who isn't your type. And in that way, the statement does not successfully act as a defense.
It is not the same. It is common for rapists to devalue their victims, claiming they should be grateful someone thought they were worth violating. At the least, it shows his extremely mysogenistic personality.
To an extent, yes. If someone accused me of rape and my response was "well, I wasn't actually there" that leaves room for doubt if my subtext includes "but if I was there I woulda done it for sure." It's like people saying without the bible what's to stop people from needing and stealing, etc. I think what's missing is "I didn't rape her, or anybody. Rape is wrong, immoral, and abhorrent to me." He's not rejecting the idea of rape, just whether this woman meets what's his standard is.
The court doesn't care if someone says they weren't there. What matters is if their whereabouts can be proven to be there. If not then it's not evidence. Same thing as saying "rape is wrong" Duh. What matters is if there is evidence you did it.
I definitely think my thoughts on a response like that would depend on a few other factors contributing as well but otherwise I get where your thoughts are and don't really know why you've had so many down votes.
Everyone says "rape is bad," including rapists. If he's accused of rape, obviously some people think he's capable of it (including me). Saying he wasn't there turns the question away from matters of opinion and onto matters of proveable fact, which is what non-rapists should want to do. It definitely doesn't imply anything else. (P.S. Trump raped her.)
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
He also used "she was too old for me" as a defense. And we all know what that implies.
GlenL
Also, he literally confused a picture of her for a picture of his ex-wife
Mnbvvxz
No it doesn't. Fuck Trump for what he did, but this argument does not hold up to literally any scrutiny.
Mnbvvxz
We have plenty of good reasons to hate him and his ilk, we don't need to make reasons up.
rihani3
Who has time to apply logic and common sense to what you are saying?... /S
Sebastopol140
Yep but Drumpf (and his admirers -insert puke noises here-) are not smart or educated enough to understand the implication.
InfocalypseRising
They understand it fine. They just think rape is pretty cool.
Rogerwilco1974
Bracing for downvotes but you're inferring that. I could infer that they meant they aren't attracted to and would not want to have sex with them.
anitabieror6
saying someone isn't your type implies that you know them at least a little. how do you both not know someone but know she's not your type
redtruck
EXACTLY!!
3nd3rwiggin
E-Jean Carroll is already considering suing him again. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/nyregion/e-jean-carroll-trump-defamation.html
tinamakingmecray
Dumb piece of orange monkey diarrhea is chef’s kiss! (Except it gives dumb orange monkey diarrhea a bad name. )
Lobo82
SithElephant
My type is women who enthusiastically consent.
BlastFX
Dude, you should talk to someone about these impossibly high standards of yours.
Xionis
Yeah... I just want somebody who wants to be with me as much as I want to be with them. Course, I have all the attractive qualities of a stale heel of white bread, so I will die alone.
wretchednetch
Well... Looks like I don't have a type!
ThisIsMyUsernameThereAreManyLikeIt
Wow, you slut!
SpoilsburyToastMan
My type is women who chase me and beat other people up..
WLAFadeaway
"Willingness" was the word I used when my now-wife of 23 years first asked me what I was attracted to.
georgedragonslayer
Unrealistic. Stick with whips, ropes and a safe word, like the rest of us.
CaptainPawfulFox
My type is Dark/Psychic. I'm just REALLY weak against Bugs...
Enoan
What that grimsnarl do
Seethreepeeoh
What did I miss? Is Ivanka making allegations?
michaelpencil
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zerovanity59
Nope, that is the inverse fallacy. A true statement does not imply the inverse or the converse, only the contra-positive. This is 10th grade math.
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metalrulercid
Oh yeah, logic against trump and his cult...that'll work out...
michaelpencil
It doesn't. But maybe in court!
metalrulercid
One can only hope!
popejubal
More than implied. He has come right out and bragged that he sexually assaults people and gets away with it.
PulpyOJ
Hashbrown123
https://imgur.com/fr68tr5.gifv
Bondsmith10
It's a super dumb defense even if you don't think about it too hard since rape is rarely about attraction so much as it is about forcing control.
bekindtoanimals
I have thought this same thing since he stupidly said that. Dipshit
huffnpuff72
And after the verdict went on CNN and said he met her at a place he doesn’t visit except for charity and that she invited him for hanky panky. If wasn’t guilty the first response should be ‘I never raped anyone’ not ‘I don’t know her’
Guidocat
It actually feels like the most believable defense he has. He is demonstrably a rapist. But he doesn't rape everyone. Seems like the most believable defense is that she isn't a likely target.
horseman05
bekindtoanimals
Ugly bastard
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thatwoodguy
The correct answer his lawyer should have coached him for us if this question came up is he shouldn't have answered she's not my type to rape as I wouldn't rape anybody. This fall squarely on a complete lack of preparation
ccrocker58
I don't know anything about what's going on with the whole Trump thing, but this line of logic doesn't make any sense to me. This basically is trying to say that finding someone attractive=you would rape them.
thatsbadmmkay
He both said she's not his type and also said it was a mutual consenting encounter because he's a lying rapist.
michaelpencil
Unfortunately. Or fortunately.
Clockworkdancerobot
Hoping the prosecutors were watching, some talk is he just stuck his foot in it again as far as further criminal charges.
3nd3rwiggin
E-Jean Carroll is already considering suing him again. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/nyregion/e-jean-carroll-trump-defamation.html
zanaria
If prosecutors didn't sit on their asses he'd probably be in jail for every crime possible...
TheMurderousCricket
It must be mind-boggling for trump how words can mean things.
Marsmallowmancer
"Wait, if words mean things...WHAT HAVE I BEEN SAYING ALL THIS TIME. Holy shit, no wonder no one likes me!"
Sebastopol140
Words alone are mind-boggling for trump.
ConfederacyOfDunces
I know for a fact that he knows at least five words: person man woman camera tv
michaelpencil
Velv3tThunder
His brain is just a game of Boggle. Every sentence he just shakes the dice, and whatever words show up, he spits out incoherently.
PimpinKen
He knows the words 'camera', 'woman', 'TV', and even 'covfefe'. I think that's the end of his vocabulary, though.
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zanaria
It's even stupider when he mistook her for his ex wife. Which, considering he married his ex wife, indicates that she is in fact his type...
PinkyTheUnicorn2
I mean every fucking word out of his mouth is a lie or an exaggeration, unless it’s racism, sexism, or some other bigotry.
QuitLookinAtMineAim
That's a moot point. Being a type or not isn't an excuse to rape or proof that you wouldn't. It's non-sequitur. Full stop.
zanaria
It just overturns his whole defense, he tried to claim he wouldn't rape her cause she wasn't his type, but then he mistook her for his ex wife. He married his ex wife so she had to have been his type. I'm not saying it's a valid reason for not raping someone, I'm saying that his own actions flips his defense argument.
QuitLookinAtMineAim
I'm saying it wasn't an argument in the first place. I understand your point.
georgedragonslayer
Does his wife look like she wants to be there? Ever?
zanaria
She's only there cause he has money and she's probably hoping for the insurance money
michaelpencil
Talking about Marla, not Melania.
michaelpencil
Also, his first wife claimed, he raped HER in 1988 :) She definitely was his type.
zanaria
Yeah, he's just a fucking moronic, racists, bigoted, sexist, rapist...
L1LHUNDR3D
zanaria
More like Expotus...
StanielRonathan
All shining virtues to Republicans.
DSREX
And his based fucking loves him for it. We are doomed.
zanaria
They love him because they are the same way. I'd feel safer walking through a crowd of drug dealers than a crowd of MAGAs....
DSREX
Drug dealers are by far a friendlier crowd to a leftist like me.
vowofloudness
Would "I wasn't there" imply that you would have raped her if you were? I believe E. Jean Carroll, but this is illogical and dumb.
cptbahab
The statement doesn't imply that he would rape her if she was his type. So the op is definitely wrong. The statement does falsely assert that you are incapable of raping someone who isn't your type. And in that way, the statement does not successfully act as a defense.
Afewflowers
It is not the same. It is common for rapists to devalue their victims, claiming they should be grateful someone thought they were worth violating. At the least, it shows his extremely mysogenistic personality.
ConfederacyOfDunces
To an extent, yes. If someone accused me of rape and my response was "well, I wasn't actually there" that leaves room for doubt if my subtext includes "but if I was there I woulda done it for sure." It's like people saying without the bible what's to stop people from needing and stealing, etc. I think what's missing is "I didn't rape her, or anybody. Rape is wrong, immoral, and abhorrent to me." He's not rejecting the idea of rape, just whether this woman meets what's his standard is.
mikeatike
The court doesn't care if someone says they weren't there. What matters is if their whereabouts can be proven to be there. If not then it's not evidence. Same thing as saying "rape is wrong" Duh. What matters is if there is evidence you did it.
ConfederacyOfDunces
That's my (maybe badly worded) point. Saying "I wasn't there" is similar to "she's not my type" - both are irrelevant and a little bit sus.
LaughablePerson
I definitely think my thoughts on a response like that would depend on a few other factors contributing as well but otherwise I get where your thoughts are and don't really know why you've had so many down votes.
ConfederacyOfDunces
Cheers. This is a nuanced topic and maybe I'm misunderstood. Just to clarify for anyone looking: Donald Trump is a rapist and a piece of shit.
Walrosity
I didn't downvote him, I wasn't there.
vwyx
Everyone says "rape is bad," including rapists. If he's accused of rape, obviously some people think he's capable of it (including me). Saying he wasn't there turns the question away from matters of opinion and onto matters of proveable fact, which is what non-rapists should want to do. It definitely doesn't imply anything else. (P.S. Trump raped her.)
ConfederacyOfDunces
That's my (maybe badly worded) point. Saying "I wasn't there" is similar to "she's not my type" - both are irrelevant and a little bit sus.