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Data Centers are not the issue (IMOP)
Last week, the Box Elder County Commission unanimously approved Kevin O’Leary’s 9-gigawatt data center campus.
I’m a socialist - I just liked the hook. The drought is real. Nine Western states are projected to hit critical water conditions by September. Utah peaks at 56% by September with 0% snow water equivalent remaining. This is not a normal year. This is not a fixable-by-shorter-showers year.
So when a 9 GW data center gets proposed, the instinct to panic is rational.
Here’s the thing: even in the worst-case cooling scenario, this facility pulls about 30 billion gallons per year. That’s roughly 1.8% of Utah’s total water diversions. With modern closed-loop cooling, it’s closer to 0.2%.
So how is the water used?
~64% of every developed gallon of water in Utah goes to feed livestock.
Alfalfa and hay alone consume 68% of all diverted water in the state.
Pasture and corn silage take another chunk. Add it up and the overwhelming majority of Utah’s water grows feed for cows, sheep, horses, and dairy operations.
Food people actually eat directly; vegetables, fruit, grain, accounts for a few percent.
The economic return on this water? Hay and alfalfa generate about 0.2% of Utah’s GDP.
That is the same contribution to the state economy as amusement parks. Utah is using 2/3 of its water for the equivalent revenue of Lagoon Theme Park.
29% of Utah’s hay harvest is exported overseas. About two-thirds goes to China.
That’s roughly 325 billion gallons of Utah water per year, compressed into bales and shipped to feed Chinese dairy cows.
The 9 GW data center everyone is panicking about? It uses 17 billion gallons in a typical year. The water we ship to China as hay would run 19 of these data centers.
The actual math:
- Utah diverts ~1.66 trillion gallons of water per year
- Agriculture: 82%
- Alfalfa & hay alone: 68% of the state total
- Exports to China: ~325 billion gallons (≈20% of all developed state water)
- 9 GW data center (typical hyperscale): ~17 billion gallons (~1%)
- 9 GW data center (efficient closed-loop): ~4 billion gallons (~0.2%)
The Great Salt Lake is dying. Utah’s own scientists have traced its collapse to upstream agricultural diversions in the Bear, Weber, and Provo basins. Not to server farms. Not to lawns. To alfalfa.
Meanwhile, alfalfa farmers pay water rates measured in cents per thousand gallons under 19th-century prior-appropriation law. Data centers pay full municipal rates. Guess which one has a financial incentive to conserve.
I’m not saying agriculture doesn’t matter. Farming jobs are real. Rural communities are real. Ranchers feeding their own cattle is a fundamentally different thing than baling water for export. There is a serious version of this argument that protects family farms while reforming what we grow and who we grow it for.
But pointing at a data center while we put our water on a boat to Shanghai is not that argument. It’s misdirection.
If we’re going to have a real fight about who gets Utah’s water in a drought, the question isn’t “data centers or no data centers.” It’s: why the fuck do we allow this?
Visit pnw-firemap.org to learn more about how Fire and Water are impacting the Western U.S.
MaybeIllDisappear
Emergency election and vote every one of them out.
lightfoot2
Eh, they will vote the comissioners back in becasue what's important is punishing brown people and gays and trans people and owning the "libs" and.....
Fuck em.
jankyupeblik
Fuck AI.
LeekofLegend
Oh shit! It's official. FUCK UTAH!!! FUCK COX. FUCK THE MORMON BLOCKADE ABUSERS. At least texas is straightforward with their bullshit
subtletomato
Hank Green did a really good video on this topic, including how farming and other industries sizes and impacts, even just to make fuel (IIRC) from corn. I'd recommend giving it a watch, shows up easy on search with hank green data center water (not sure how business daddy is feeling about links right now).
TheBunnyPants
HastyPuddingPops
lmao
Imalwaysready
Cover story of the Austin Chronicle this week – How Data Centers Are Eating Up Rural Texas (And Do They Spell Doom for Local Farmers?)
https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/how-data-centers-are-eating-up-rural-texas/
This is going to be a really big problem in the next few years. It's an environmental catastrophe of our own making, and we just keep making it worse and worse.
sadurdaynight
California has blue diamond buying cheap desert land to grow almonds by hogging most of the water. Arizona or some other desert state has a bunch of cheap deaert land used to grow crops for saudi arabian cattle or something. It's all a spreadsheet. Buy cheap ass land then pay for water and suck up most of it. The water gets recycled through water cycle in nature if you dry crops out. But arid areas often keep the water trapped in the air.
cheeriossuckbecause7
Excusing the data centers is part of the problem, just aa mismanaged water priorities and allocations. No one needs these data centers. Their approval should ve on ballots so that the big companies can sweat it out trying to justify land/powerwater theft.
UmmonPrime
I get all of this and understand your point. It's not really the data farms being an issue with water consupotion, it's bad legislation. Now, do power consumption and waste with the same examples.
Stuffitwithbeans
The water that is used to cool the data center isn't burned up or lost. It isn't boiled away in big open pots.
AReallySatisfyingPoo
Fuck everything else here too, but also Fuck Kevin O'Leary. Canada is sorry for ever producing that soulless meatsack
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
Data centers are absolutely a massive issue. Even if we ignore the water consumption and power usage, the impact on the infrastructure, the cost of all of it spread to those who are earning less and less, and what it is they are used for. I would recommend giving this a watch if you are curious about the additional effects of these data centers https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo
TheJuiceLoosener
Here's the important 2nd half of your analysis. What's the economic return from allowing ag to slurp up 80% of your UT's water? Combined with forestry, fishing, AND hunting, ag generates 0.5% of Utah's GDP. Now, I'm no fancy, big-city economist, but it sounds like the other 20% of UT's water is generating 99.5% of UT's economic activity, which works out to an 800x return on investment. Moral? Take every chance to divert water from ag to literally anything else.
RoninTactican
fuck data centers
Junktrunkjunkie
The Whole 'Closed loop' thing is completely disingenuous, it's better than without it. It's not a miracle solution, that water still gets dumped every few months. It's still polluted with heavy metals and antifreeze, The data center still evaporates a ton of water into the air and UTAH is still a dessert and communities need as much water as they can get in a DESERT
youreathing
Kevin O'Leary is a fucking blight.
geek2040
The water coming out of that data center is going to be delicious.
rubypilgrim
There is another issue with data centers, and that is when they go in, the power rates for everyone goes up. Here's why: 1. demand goes up, driven by the centers. The grids only produce so much power, so to create more power, more power needs to be produced, which means more power plants, beefed up infrastructure, and so on - all of which is distributed across all users. Without the public being included, there's a whole system of people who have decided nuclear power plants are the answer.
Skizzlesnap
Having worked in a data center before, our data center had to truck in water for cooling it wasn’t a direct tap into the local water supply. The problem with power is that they pay a huge power bill and the power company (most likely a monopoly in your area as well) jacks up prices when it sees the increased usage in certain areas. They could adjust their speculation to account for the DC usage, but they don’t. Because that would eat into their profits.
ProfessorMuChao
9GW? lmao. That shit is never gonna be built. These AI assholes are so f'n over-leveraged right now not half they shit they wanna build is gonna be a reality.
https://www.techradar.com/pro/if-one-piece-of-your-supply-chain-is-delayed-then-your-whole-project-cant-deliver-nearly-half-of-us-data-centers-planned-for-2026-canceled-or-delayed-and-things-could-soon-get-much-worse
anononanonanona
This one is being driven by the DOD. It will be built.
ProfessorMuChao
https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-subprime-ai-crisis-is-here/
ProppaGanda
and if we're to believe Ed, only 10% of announced data center projects are actually being built. It's scams all the way down.
Blunderwriter
Ahh yea. Kevin O’Leary. Canada’s very own billionaire asshole. Fuck him.
weave
If this is a remotely hot year, with heavy droughts and wildfires, and add to that the rising costs of fuel and fertiliser ...
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
This year is going to break records. It's already hot on the west coast, there are wildfires already.
skillamonth
It will be the hottest year on record for Utah and the worst in terms of fire impacts on water supply - with a probability ranging from 67-97% due to the El Niño and loss of 98% of Snow Melt Equivalent below normal in every state that supply Utah its water.
GreatLarry
Ok so basically humans are the problem. If there were less people, there would be less need for farmland, livestock, and even data centers. Water consumption would go down, and things would be better for the whole world. But nobody talks about lowering the human population, just keep passing the blame until we turn Earth into Mars
elisarie
Covid tried to help with this….
CrossEyedPigeonToed
In Las Vegas it was 100 degrees in March...Fucking MARCH!
Roqinn
It is already drought conditions in a LOT of areas. I live in Ohio and we are almost there. We've had very little rain so far and almost no snow over the winter, at least in my area. No water? How are we going to grow crops? They slapped up a data center in southern Columbus, by the old Scioto Downs race track. Lots of large water storage tanks there and its own new power substation!
Stolf
Virginia is in severe drought. along with the cold snap that happened earlier this month, it's looking bleak in the agriculture sector
schrodingerscatfood
“wATeR iS NoT a HumAN RigHt” – Nestlé
Bizarkly
"In the future, water will be expensive." -- David Byrne, 'In the Future', *Music From The Knee Plays*, (1983)
spangolio
the sooner we run out, the more money they will make selling it to us. make number big.
therealalansmithee
Hmmmm. You’re probably right. When AI crashes, the data centers will resell their water back to the utilities with a major markup
blaghart
You don't run out of water. You run out of NEARBY water. This is why water is phrased as "consumed" in reports talking about it, and never "moved" or "changed." Because if they acknowledge the water isn't actually GONE and can in fact be RECOVERED, well, then the question becomes "how do we get it back" and that starts raising some uncomfortable questions that capitalists don't want to answer. If something is "gone" then Nestle doesnt have to "give it back" after all
Mcmanybucks
If only Americans were capable of fighting against their own governments.. but oh no, what about your employment...
FeedTheNachoMan
67% of Americans are currently living paycheck to paycheck. Losing your job means anywhere between 6 months to 1.5 years to find another job, what with most HR departments delegating resume screening to AI.
Two thirds of the country literally cannot afford to lose their job because they will then starve. Fuck, I was working 40 hours a week and *still* living out of a broken-down car from 2017-2023, because I didn't make 3x rent for my area. 1/2
FeedTheNachoMan
Believe it or not, the "six guns per American" stat is an average inflated by the people who are very much happy with the current government. I own 0 guns, and cannot afford one since I'm barely making rent as-is. Even if I could, I can't afford a plane ticket or a vehicle either, and since I have people I'm supporting, I can't take off the two months to cross to literally the other side of the country on foot.
So what do YOU propose I do? 2/2
Gutpilegutezeit
Fuck you LDS. Hopefully you'll burn with the data center.
onemightyandstrong
Yeah, mormons trashed Utah.
Psyskwr
Something about leopards and faces,,, Also, they got their repeal on abortion, they don't care now. I feel the same way you do on this.
https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-box-elder-county-ut/
MrOne2
We need to learn from the Swiss, and let the people vote on this kind of shit. Everyone, not only the 5 easily bribable dipshits on the commission.
livingonagiantfireball
You shoot security protection the construction site, than set it on fire, after the investigation, you shoot security again. They wont find anyone to protect that place abd they will leave
VinchVolt
the constraints that the beef industry is putting on local water supplies isn't limited to utah; if memory serves it's also a major contributor to droughts in california, for instance.
rockiesmagicnumber
The ranching industry in CO is a gigantic pain in the ass as well for a variety of reasons.
anarchoFeline
the main issue with data center water is it generally comes from the municipal water system, so drinking water. this puts a lot of pressure of the system which causes prices to go up. data centers pay discounted rates while the citizens pay higher rates. i don't know if that's how they do it at every data center but on the places where it's a problem that seems to be a central issue
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Yep, they need treated and clean water. They can't just use agricultural water.
VodkaReindeer
It's only a problem if there is no spare capacity, isn't it? If there is, it's just another payer to spread the costs of upkeep.
hyptosis
This right here. You want expensive water? This is how we get expensive water.
SackTheRipper
Water systems and wastewater treatment systems. They will be using all your water before and after flushing.
billymaditsdone
And the pollution? I heard that was a problem with these data centers...
anarchoFeline
they make a lot of every kind of pollution. air, water, noise, light. pretty much their sole purpose is convert natural resources in to capital. people that live near them are suffering from all kinds of health problems related to either noise, air or water quality, or lack of sleep from light pollution
HashMaster9k
Especially both light and noise pollution, not just environmental.
Tarmaccian
Yes and no… it gets real complicated in that using non-potable water is a “new” thing, going into new data centers (and exceedingly rare for old ones).
It’s the kind of hot-button issue that shouldn’t be. Instead of pearl-clutching about using water, we should pressure politicians to require non-potable water use, solar power, and the like.
Politicians aren’t willing to say “no”, but they are far more likely to push restrictions on the bad stuff.
ipointoutnahtzeesbyreplyingtothem
People need to drink water.
A datacenter doesn't need to exist.
Go clutch your own pearls, preferably hard enough to keep from reproducing.
anarchoFeline
what about my reply is pearl clutching? this is serious issue that is impacting people that live in these towns in some pretty serious ways.
Tarmaccian
Not you; I’m speaking generally about the folks blindly parroting anti-data center talking points which, as @op points out, aren’t really helpful.
I was happy to see your comment end with uncertainty on the design of “every data center”, and I wanted to expand on that. Newer ones are more likely to use non-potable water, old ones aren’t, and trying to make blanket statements is a minefield.
Your comment invites nuance and discussion about what is indeed a serious issue. I like that.
anarchoFeline
there honestly not much nuance tbh. ai data centers extract precious and in many cases limited/dwindling resources from communities and in return provide noise pollution, health issues, and decreased property values. the cost is passed asking to community members while the capitalist class benefits. despite billions of dollars in investment in ai there has been no increase in productivity (in dollars). no economic benefit at all except to the people that own it
qui9
I’m kinda shocked to see this kind of pro data center equivocation on Imgur. To your point you can compare data center water usage all day but what do data centers provide that is of any value to the communities they exist in. Like we’re spending all these resources so we can have pictures of trump as Jesus.
leviaton
In Alberta they have to bring their own power... Which means they wanna use natural gas. So not really something I want to live beside. If they have a good water recycling program on what happens to the water AFTER it's heated and moving then I'd be a lot more onboard
Tarmaccian
My favorite proposal was for a data center outside a major and old city (NYC is in my head, but seems wrong) that still has a steam utility. The data center would heat water to something like 75C, and pipe it to a heat pump at the city steam lines, which would add heat/steam/whatever to the city lines, reducing fuel costs elsewhere. Then the chilled water would go back to the data center in a closed loop.
We can never win against entropy, but we can put up a good fight.
leviaton
Yeah that's really novel. Like we could use smaller centres and community geothermal to make use of the waste heat. I'm working on some cool solar projects involving crops and solar. Excess power I've also seen be used to pump water up into towers are all kinds of fun ways to store it. It's all just less profitable is the thing
SackTheRipper
The problem with "non-potable" means that they can use treated wastewater that would otherwise be returned to receiving waters like lakes and rivers. Again, using municipal infrastructure without paying for it.
Tarmaccian
Also yes and no… it’s usually not contaminated in the DC, so it can also be reinserted into the treatment process, or even put right into the ground to (eventually) refill potable sources.
The big concern with using potable water is that aquifers take months or years for treated water to cycle through, so a big draw today means drought risk for a long time.
Non-potable water can be immediately recycled if there’s treatment capacity… and again, that’s something politicians should be pressuring.
anarchoFeline
they do contaminate water tho. they add anti-corrosives, anti-fungal/algae treatments, and metals such as zinc and copper contaminate the water from degrading components. these things very often get built in rural areas that don't have the infra to deal with all that and Western states are basically all in drought status so water is a critical resource and we all know if there are shortages who will get shorted and who will still get all the water they want.
BeKindNWipeYourBehind
Wow, did you ask ChatGPT to write this for you all by yourself?
skillamonth
I used a local LLM on my laptop to help me write (Gemini open). I use Weave Chat in my day-to-day so please excuse my use of AI to help me.
Jarjarthejedi
Alright people, report as spam and block. If nobody could be bothered to write this crap, nobody should bother to read it. *shrug*
18booma
Ok, so none of the "facts" you put forward can be trusted. Like I know Alfalfa is a thirsty, invasive crop. So I don't need your post to inform me on that. But knowing how much AI hallucinates, I don't trust a single data point you put forward.
skillamonth
I use it for grammar, and typing. Download what I normally use (Weave Chat) and use it to type something - I invite you.
The facts are based on my own research and publicly available data sources. My about page has the listed information.
18booma
No thanks. I learned how to write and type in primary school already. I don't need a bot to do it for me. Side note, you can share links throughout posts and in comments as well. You don't need to direct people to your bio, like on TikTok or Insta. Just using this link as example. Any relevance is completely coincidental: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-electricity-prices/
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skillamonth
I’m disabled you prick.
Kablooeeey
Ummmm.....who the fuck told you that total water usage was the major problem with Data Centers? Because they fucking lied to you, or you are lying to us.
PennysWorthOfTea
Water usage is one item in a long list of why data centers are terrible &, honestly, why they should be destroyed.
5omeWhiteGuy
It's the main thing I see people bring up when talking about them. That and just general "ai bad"
18booma
It's not just how much water it uses, but also poisoning the groundwater. Do you trust oligarchs not to poison the water table? Especially with EPA protections being destroyed?
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
It's the second one.
I 100% clocked this as astroturfing bullshit, too.
nclu
Yeah, water issues are entirely bad agricultural policy. Classic deflection to personal responsibility is decades in (blaming residential customers even though they're a small percent of usage). So in the fight over data centers and AI, it's proven an easy moralization issue to tap into because the public has been conditioned for so long.
skillamonth
What’s an easier force to stop in the next 5 years? Interest in AI or Alfalfa.
18booma
It's not an either/or. We must take power from the oligarchs who will throw us into water wars. The same system that allows thirsty crops like Alfalfa to flourish for billionaire profits, is the same system that's forcing AI on us. If someone becomes an environmentalist because of an AI data center, is more likely to fight against bad environmental policies, than someone who hasn't been radicalised.
Jarjarthejedi
Given how crappy AI is and how it has a massively negative reputation while alfalfa is mostly unknown? It's not the one you seem to think it is...
torokunai
por qué no los dos