28% voted for this and less voted against it. More didn't even bother to fucking vote. I feel bad for the victims but you voted for this, America. This is on you. Fucking fix it.
Every single ice, dhs, border patrol and fbi agent needs to be rounded up and executed en masse. Each and every secret police agency operating in the us needs to be destroyed.
Don’t disagree for the most part but the goal for them is a win-win. They want it to be either folks roll over and take it (and they get to be in control) or resist weakly/ineffectively and they get to escalate (and win if that escalation scares people into giving up). People in power rarely give up power without some concerted action that pushes through the “control” enough to disturb the general public out of complacency.
Partisan "National Security"- COIN warfare- actual war- against 100,000s, millions of Americans by US Intel first by "war on drugs" Bush partisan abuse of war powers then Bush Jr "war on terror" disrupting Dems, Blacks, Liberals. Trump authorized ICE, US Intel to wage actual COIN warfare against the Left, Progressives, "anti-Americans", LGBTQ+, Blacks, Kirk critics in "disruption" ops. /gallery/trump-vance-announce-new-war-on-left-what-will-be-like-what-has-already-been-0W9avpc 3
Corrupt Right-wing oligarchs (Biden warned us) consolidate partisan control-with US Intel and public/private Op contracts. Authoritarianism. Kleptocracy. US is a plutocracy- Harvard study. edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy">https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy US Intel targets the Left, Blacks http://www.tni.org/en/article/waging-counterinsurgency https://truthout.org/audio/the-fbi-appears-to-be-engaged-in-a-modern-day-version-of-cointelpro/ 4
next year his homicide count likely at 4,200,000, and in 2028-7,500,000. Counting global warming for reversing Carbon/Big Oil phase out, Trump could add 100 million or more...up to 1.2 Billion! Trump will be the most evil human being in human history by 2050 with up to a BILLION deaths on his hands. By that point the fury at Trump and the USA could put the country at existential risk, like Putin's Russia, Stalin's USSR, Hitler's 3d Reich, Pol Pot's Cambodia and other mass murdering regimes. 2
Corrupt Right-wing oligarchs (Biden warned us) consolidate partisan control-with US Intel and public/private Op contracts. Authoritarianism. Kleptocracy. US is a plutocracy- Harvard study. edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy">https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy US Intel targets the Left, Blacks http://www.tni.org/en/article/waging-counterinsurgency https://truthout.org/audio/the-fbi-appears-to-be-engaged-in-a-modern-day-version-of-cointelpro/ 4
At this point if for some reason ICE pulls me over I am just going to start shooting. I'm 62 with a heart valve and a pacemaker I rather go out in a blaze of glory and take a few of them with me. As it is it's a even odds that you are going to get shot anyways.
I mean, one of them did shoot an officer in the shoulder with an AR-15. I'm not saying they deserved 50 years, or that I don't sympathize with their motives, but I wouldn't characterize them as "protestors" the way that word is normally used.
I got banned for saying the people in the Epstein files talking about trafficking 10yo little girls deserve to be hung publicly after their trials. I also wished a quick and speedy death on “him” on a DJTSr article, and wished a happy trip and fall with scissors on Musk. They do not like my violent attitude.
Reminder: People have been shooting at and ambushing ICE, because ICE are literally fucking mass murdering psychopaths who kidnap and murder US citizens. But the news doesn't want to report on that because first world countries don't have "civil wars" anymore, so instead these are all just "isolated incidents". I bring this up to head off the inevitable "jesus christ americans when will you do something?!" comments. There's a literal war ongoing already here, you just don't hear about it.
Lots of ways. If you want to get examples without participating in an ambush of ICE yourself, even ICE has reported on its own ambushes: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility The critical thing, however, (as I mentioned in my comment) is that they portray these as "isolated incidents" by "individuals" rather than part of a larger
You gotta read the whole sentence. The news isn't reporting THE ONGOING CIVIL WAR, they're trying to phrase it ISOLATED INCIDENTS. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility one such example, so that I don't have to give away too much here, since we also know ICE use imgur and other social media to track dissent. https://gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-gave-dhs-info-of-anti-ice-users-report-says-2000722279
notice too how this isn't front page news constantly going around the clock, to the point you didn't even know ONE incident had happened. In fact, ever since Luigi Mangione's arrest spurred him into a hero of the people (despite all evidence pointing to him being a scapegoat for the cops), the news has actively tried to downplay any actions against ICE or other fascist institutions and those within them that might result in more folk heroes.
You're citing ice.gov as your source for the claim that there's "a literal war ongoing already here, you just don't hear about it," but then complaining that same source still acts "like this was a small group acting alone."
no, I'm not. Had you read what I actually said in both the comment you just responded to and the comment you first responded to, you'd see that I was citing proof of something completely different.
note here that I'm dancing around the issue of identifying the direct opposition because this isn't a Warthunder forum, and, as my other comments demonstrate, there's no benefit to identifying people who are actively fighting a civil war with the US government. You can see that it's happening, you can even participate in it, but that doesn't mean you should be outed individually. Just know that it's going on.
Put up a source on what, that ICE get ambushed, that it's reported as an isolated incident, or that it's not? https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility here's proof it happens, and that it gets reported as an isolated incident by "small groups," as far as proof it's not, https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/icewatch/ here's a resource used to track ICE raids and respond to them. People have been using it for years.
Do you think it is the wrong crowd, because usually you are talking to gullible idiots? The real reason they wanted to raise militias was because they were having trouble dealing with the war veterans they hadn't paid.
Well said. It's also important to remember that the importance of the second amendment reflected the immediate need for militias at the time. The newly formed US had just a hint of a standing army, and that only temporarily. Practical defense devolved to small local groups with substantially less formality than today's national guards. Today the situation could not be more different.
I've looked around at all that has gone on and, I think reasonably so, determined that the 2A is a failed theory: it was the Klan that formed the NRA, it is largely MAGAts who fetishize guns, and if it was gonna do anything positive we'd already be signs of it.
It was also a product of its time - in that the Crown was disallowing the sales of firearms and black powder to the colonies to better control them (before the war). This carried over to the idea that the state and nation needed these things, as conscripted militia men made the great bulk of most standing armies.
Yes it does, and honestly not regulated enough. A lot of people have guns who really shouldn't, and the whole 'in case of a tyrannical government' is not longer an excuse...
lol no. The founding fathers wanted people to have guns because standing armies are expensive to maintain. They always intended for those with guns to be subordinate to the state which is why they explicitly tie it to militia membership and explicitly define a militia as being under state control.
This. US Constitution, Article II, Section 2 puts militias under the command of the US president. Article I, Section 8, "organize, arm, and discipline the militia, which can be called into service by the President." Insurrection Act, allows the president to deploy any forces under their command to put down insurrections. Dual Enlistment allows anyone to serve both in a militia and in a national guard.
So a) ICE is that militia that is under state control OOOOOR b)state don't have well regulated militia that could be used to fight, and I quote "The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home."
Again, I quote "The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.". And If the ICE don't fall into this category (because no NG, police or sheriffs are used against them) it means militia is not notteded and the second amendment is null
MyOldUserNameMeantUndeadCocaineButNowItsThis
28% voted for this and less voted against it. More didn't even bother to fucking vote. I feel bad for the victims but you voted for this, America. This is on you. Fucking fix it.
Khanamana324
Every single ice, dhs, border patrol and fbi agent needs to be rounded up and executed en masse. Each and every secret police agency operating in the us needs to be destroyed.
zHurk777
Maine Woman Is Disgusted At America !!! - fox news header.
RetrogradeLlama
In Biddeford… a sleepy little Maine seashore town.
Susan Collins probably believes they’ve learned their lesson.
zHurk777
Maine Resident Hates America !!! - fox "news" headline.
OhIfIMust
Oh, they most certainly have.
mirrorz
A government attacking and killing its citizens is no longer a government.
SkittishLittleToaster
When cells turn on the body, we call it cancer.
Oatmealman1
sure would be nice if we had an amendment to the constitution to protect ourselves from tyrants
nataSdroL666
I thought that she was that blonde dude from the lone gunmen/x-files 🤣
RigidGristle
Relictivity
Frankenberry has an ass on his head too!
huffnpuff72
Nothing new. Nothing will change. Law enforcement have been shooting americans for decades without repercussions.
Bundalicious
Soon to become a daily occurrence while the citizens write sternly written signs.
Resistance1000
DaisyfromDownunder
Ok KKK.
amiurume
We really need to ask ourselves if we're a democracy.
PennsylvaniaPalindrome
If you re still asking, you have been asleep too long.
frozenlake247
Kind of a Freudian slip there “…citizens of this country are being gunned down for doing nothing…”.
Lack of action against that BS is arguably exactly why it keeps getting worse.
brainkandle1
They've been sicc'ed on us though. We have no leader, no plan, Status Coup are the only ones who even regularly cover the ICE Gestapo bullshit.
But I think they want us to fight so they can keep handing out 50 year prison sentences...
frozenlake247
Don’t disagree for the most part but the goal for them is a win-win. They want it to be either folks roll over and take it (and they get to be in control) or resist weakly/ineffectively and they get to escalate (and win if that escalation scares people into giving up). People in power rarely give up power without some concerted action that pushes through the “control” enough to disturb the general public out of complacency.
brainkandle1
We need a covert way to fight them
nachosyndicate
None of this is ok. I would also like to point out that this was already happening to POC. The look has changed, but the game is still the same.
PutItInNeutral
Come context if you can't listen to audio right now.
https://share.google/koggSHUwW7ebY43WG
TheFastpaws
Then actually do something of value about it.
michaelfire
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michaelfire
Mass incarceration as part of deliberate destruction of Blacks, the Left. "Disruption", torture, COIN warfare against "enemies" of the Right to disenfranchise, break, convert victims to informants since Hoover, Nixon, /gallery/trump-vance-announce-new-war-on-left-what-will-be-like-what-has-alr-0W9avpc">https://imgur.com/gal">eady-bee">-0W9avpc">https://imgur.com/gallery/trump-vance-announce-new-war-on-left-what-will-be-like-what-has-already-been-0W9avpc https://imgur.com/gallery/mlk-day-is-also-about-truth-reconciliation-about-us-government-abuse-of-power-WTViMK2 https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/814 2
michaelfire
Partisan "National Security"- COIN warfare- actual war- against 100,000s, millions of Americans by US Intel first by "war on drugs" Bush partisan abuse of war powers then Bush Jr "war on terror" disrupting Dems, Blacks, Liberals. Trump authorized ICE, US Intel to wage actual COIN warfare against the Left, Progressives, "anti-Americans", LGBTQ+, Blacks, Kirk critics in "disruption" ops. /gallery/trump-vance-announce-new-war-on-left-what-will-be-like-what-has-already-been-0W9avpc 3
michaelfire
Corrupt Right-wing oligarchs (Biden warned us) consolidate partisan control-with US Intel and public/private Op contracts. Authoritarianism. Kleptocracy. US is a plutocracy- Harvard study. edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy">https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy US Intel targets the Left, Blacks http://www.tni.org/en/article/waging-counterinsurgency https://truthout.org/audio/the-fbi-appears-to-be-engaged-in-a-modern-day-version-of-cointelpro/ 4
michaelfire
MAGA Eugenics? Increasing concern Right-wing oligarch US Intel contractors/ have been cutting social and health programs world-wide/ in US and Gaza in genocide/eugenics /gallery/is-us-government-its-right-wing-oligarch-intel-contractors-engaged-eugenics-increasing-concern-gkOKLwd Torture increasing globally and the power of these sus German, South African immigrants huge http://imgur.com/gallery/jd-vance-peter-theil-right-wing-cia-contractor-oligarch-who-sponsored-him-arpNy8U 5
michaelfire
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tuxedobob
Man, all these ICE shootings… what happened to all the school shootings we used to have?
woozle
I love Maine. I vacation there and been to Biddeford. This is awful. FUCK ICE!
NenehCheery
Only single-syllable state in the USA; only state in the contiguous US that borders only one other state.
bROkeNsHIfT
It borders more Canadian provinces than states. Is that unique too?
MyOldUserNameMeantUndeadCocaineButNowItsThis
I live in New Brunswick, the province that borders Maine, I will never visit it or the USA until you guys get your shit together.
Snooj
As a Mainer, I'm sorry but I get it.
michaelfire
Trump/Musk Death Clock now at least 1,225,500 see my new report. Likely higher. 3 million more next year per USAID Asst. Administrator! Trump bragged he wanted to be among the top tyrants of all time including Mao, Hitler, Stalin. He is indeed on track- to be one of history's largest mass murderers. /gallery/trump-death-clock-tops-1-225-000-he-is-legendary-mass-murderer-as-trump-compares-himself-to-mao-stalin-hitler-next-year-est-4-200-000-a7MGBwo
michaelfire
next year his homicide count likely at 4,200,000, and in 2028-7,500,000. Counting global warming for reversing Carbon/Big Oil phase out, Trump could add 100 million or more...up to 1.2 Billion! Trump will be the most evil human being in human history by 2050 with up to a BILLION deaths on his hands. By that point the fury at Trump and the USA could put the country at existential risk, like Putin's Russia, Stalin's USSR, Hitler's 3d Reich, Pol Pot's Cambodia and other mass murdering regimes. 2
michaelfire
MAGA Eugenics? Increasing concern Right-wing oligarch US Intel contractors/ have been cutting social and health programs world-wide/ in US and Gaza in genocide/eugenics /gallery/is-us-government-its-right-wing-oligarch-intel-contractors-engaged-eugenics-increasing-concern-gkOKLwd Torture increasing globally and the power of these sus German, South African immigrants huge http://imgur.com/gallery/jd-vance-peter-theil-right-wing-cia-contractor-oligarch-who-sponsored-him-arpNy8U 3
michaelfire
Corrupt Right-wing oligarchs (Biden warned us) consolidate partisan control-with US Intel and public/private Op contracts. Authoritarianism. Kleptocracy. US is a plutocracy- Harvard study. edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy">https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policycast/oligarchy-open-what-happens-now-us-forced-confront-its-plutocracy US Intel targets the Left, Blacks http://www.tni.org/en/article/waging-counterinsurgency https://truthout.org/audio/the-fbi-appears-to-be-engaged-in-a-modern-day-version-of-cointelpro/ 4
AWarningToOthers
At this point if for some reason ICE pulls me over I am just going to start shooting. I'm 62 with a heart valve and a pacemaker I rather go out in a blaze of glory and take a few of them with me. As it is it's a even odds that you are going to get shot anyways.
YouRadicalizedMe
Cheers to you. We need meny more of the sort
VelvetWarhol
godspeed
luscious17750
zorock
You should take up hunting for a sport, *wink wink*
philmoregraves
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SleazyBijou
Death by cop is not a new phenomena sir. Let’s pump those numbers.
Starbolt81
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Pebblebro
The hero we need.
OhIfIMust
Username checks out
Marsupialmessiah
Gran Torino style?
CharacterNotUnlocked
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Comet260
Dying on your feet is always preferable to living on your knees. Qapla'!
NicolWitTerror
May the universe bless your aim on that fine day good sir.
fartharder
They gave protesters in Texas 50 years, so tell me what's the difference
tidepool
Not being tortured for 50 years is an understandable goal.
rolliefingers
I mean, one of them did shoot an officer in the shoulder with an AR-15.
I'm not saying they deserved 50 years, or that I don't sympathize with their motives, but I wouldn't characterize them as "protestors" the way that word is normally used.
MiserableArts
Might I suggest a good read? Pardon the title, but the book is called "Ne***** with Guns" by Robert F Williams.
fartharder
"one of them"
PickledRamaker
I got banned from Reddit for saying I wouldn't blame people if "...". From MN so a bit more relevant.
tidepool
I got banned for saying the people in the Epstein files talking about trafficking 10yo little girls deserve to be hung publicly after their trials. I also wished a quick and speedy death on “him” on a DJTSr article, and wished a happy trip and fall with scissors on Musk. They do not like my violent attitude.
Comet260
Dude the AI running Reddit moderation IS FUCKING BRAINDEAD.
battery1979
So is Mitch McConnell. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself. )
blaghart
Reminder: People have been shooting at and ambushing ICE, because ICE are literally fucking mass murdering psychopaths who kidnap and murder US citizens. But the news doesn't want to report on that because first world countries don't have "civil wars" anymore, so instead these are all just "isolated incidents". I bring this up to head off the inevitable "jesus christ americans when will you do something?!" comments. There's a literal war ongoing already here, you just don't hear about it.
IGotMyDreamJobProgrammingGames
Not that I doubt the media would suppress something, but where exactly did YOU get this information?
blaghart
Lots of ways. If you want to get examples without participating in an ambush of ICE yourself, even ICE has reported on its own ambushes: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility The critical thing, however, (as I mentioned in my comment) is that they portray these as "isolated incidents" by "individuals" rather than part of a larger
Nim449
And you're going to support these ambushes with proof, right? Right?
blaghart
proof of what, that they happen, that they're claimed to be small isolated incidents, or that they're not? https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility here's proof they happen and are claimed to be isolated incidents. https://gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-gave-dhs-info-of-anti-ice-users-report-says-2000722279 here's an example of social media delivering info on ICE dissenters, because this is such a widespread thing.
azazyel
If the news isn't reporting it where are you getting this info from? I honestly haven't heard of ICE being ambushed.
blaghart
You gotta read the whole sentence. The news isn't reporting THE ONGOING CIVIL WAR, they're trying to phrase it ISOLATED INCIDENTS. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility one such example, so that I don't have to give away too much here, since we also know ICE use imgur and other social media to track dissent. https://gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-gave-dhs-info-of-anti-ice-users-report-says-2000722279
NightHouseAssociation
Please point me in the right direction?
blaghart
Right direction being what, that ICE keeps getting ambushed, that the news reports on it as "isolated incidents" or where you can join up? Cuz the first two are public knowledge, the third would be compromising the situation, given https://gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-gave-dhs-info-of-anti-ice-users-report-says-2000722279 we know social media sites love turning over info to ICE.
NightHouseAssociation
May I private message you please?
blaghart
...you're aware that imgur can and does share your private messages with the police, right?
NightHouseAssociation
Yes. I'd still like to at least be less public. Other people can't "interrupt" at least?
blaghart
as to the public knowledge bit, ICE have even admitted they've been ambushed, and reported on it as an "isolated incident" where *checks notes* a full military squad of ten people at least organized a military attack on them. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility
rolliefingers
Sauce?
blaghart
notice too how this isn't front page news constantly going around the clock, to the point you didn't even know ONE incident had happened. In fact, ever since Luigi Mangione's arrest spurred him into a hero of the people (despite all evidence pointing to him being a scapegoat for the cops), the news has actively tried to downplay any actions against ICE or other fascist institutions and those within them that might result in more folk heroes.
blaghart
Sauce on what, that ICE has been getting ambushed or that they keep trying to pretend these ambushes are "isolated incidents" by "lone wolves"? Cuz the former and latter are both public knowledge: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility notice for example how they still act like this was a small group acting alone.
rolliefingers
You're citing ice.gov as your source for the claim that there's "a literal war ongoing already here, you just don't hear about it," but then complaining that same source still acts "like this was a small group acting alone."
blaghart
no, I'm not. Had you read what I actually said in both the comment you just responded to and the comment you first responded to, you'd see that I was citing proof of something completely different.
TheVillageGrouch9000
Put up (source) or shut up.
blaghart
note here that I'm dancing around the issue of identifying the direct opposition because this isn't a Warthunder forum, and, as my other comments demonstrate, there's no benefit to identifying people who are actively fighting a civil war with the US government. You can see that it's happening, you can even participate in it, but that doesn't mean you should be outed individually. Just know that it's going on.
blaghart
Put up a source on what, that ICE get ambushed, that it's reported as an isolated incident, or that it's not? https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility here's proof it happens, and that it gets reported as an isolated incident by "small groups," as far as proof it's not, https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/icewatch/ here's a resource used to track ICE raids and respond to them. People have been using it for years.
blaghart
Also, ICE has been creating organized campaigns to try and identify and target the opposition: https://gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-gave-dhs-info-of-anti-ice-users-report-says-2000722279 and they've been buying military hardware to shoot down aircraft, for example: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-spending-dhs-increased-weapons-2026-report-schiff-rcna259388 and when asked why their excuse was "we put the wrong purchase code in" (source in next comment)
blaghart
https://www.wired.com/story/no-ice-probably-didnt-buy-guided-missile-warheads/
JAPONfan
I know it's the wrong crowsd but this is the reason Founding Fathers wanted you to have guns.
Sp1ffy
Hear hear
robpaschal
You think a gun will protect you from ICE?
cm77
No, but it might get a coronial inquiry.
BrockEffingSamson
Do you think it is the wrong crowd, because usually you are talking to gullible idiots? The real reason they wanted to raise militias was because they were having trouble dealing with the war veterans they hadn't paid.
UpNorthAndFreezing
There are tons of guns in the hands of civilians. The wrong civilians
PorneliusHubertII
Alex Prettie had a gun. They used it as an excuse after they killed him.
JAPONfan
Sounds like a reason for NRA to call on nationwide ICE hunting innit?
DYLANLEE79
Ummm... Lots of guns, how are they helping?
Maverickaura
Well, guns don't shoot themselves. Usually. The balls to use em are also a requirement. But the usa is home of the brave in motto only.
Nim449
Hence this theory of the so-called "founding fathers" was pissing up a rope.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Everyone conveniently forgets the second half of the "right to bear arms" being immediately followed by "A WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA".
It was never about individuals owning guns. It was always about communities being organized to defend themselves, with guns if necessary.
The US is so hyper-individualist it forgot about the community part that was integral to the notion.
Nim449
Well said. It's also important to remember that the importance of the second amendment reflected the immediate need for militias at the time. The newly formed US had just a hint of a standing army, and that only temporarily. Practical defense devolved to small local groups with substantially less formality than today's national guards. Today the situation could not be more different.
Nim449
I've looked around at all that has gone on and, I think reasonably so, determined that the 2A is a failed theory: it was the Klan that formed the NRA, it is largely MAGAts who fetishize guns, and if it was gonna do anything positive we'd already be signs of it.
brainkandle1
Great point. "Failed theory" - back to the drawing board
LittleAzie
It was also a product of its time - in that the Crown was disallowing the sales of firearms and black powder to the colonies to better control them (before the war). This carried over to the idea that the state and nation needed these things, as conscripted militia men made the great bulk of most standing armies.
brainkandle1
And now it just leads to surplus of guns that never get used
LittleAzie
Yes it does, and honestly not regulated enough. A lot of people have guns who really shouldn't, and the whole 'in case of a tyrannical government' is not longer an excuse...
wadatahmydamie
lol no. The founding fathers wanted people to have guns because standing armies are expensive to maintain. They always intended for those with guns to be subordinate to the state which is why they explicitly tie it to militia membership and explicitly define a militia as being under state control.
mrthewhitee
Hence the "well regulated militia" line that everyone loves to pretend doesn't exist.
wadatahmydamie
Including SCOTUS, but only as far back as DC v Heller
rubypilgrim
This. US Constitution, Article II, Section 2 puts militias under the command of the US president. Article I, Section 8, "organize, arm, and discipline the militia, which can be called into service by the President." Insurrection Act, allows the president to deploy any forces under their command to put down insurrections. Dual Enlistment allows anyone to serve both in a militia and in a national guard.
rubypilgrim
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-8/cl">onstit">cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-8/clause-15–16/the-militia-clauses https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/what-are-the-presidents-powers-under-the-insurrection-and-militia-acts https://law.onecle.com/constitution/article-1/47-militia.html
JAPONfan
So a) ICE is that militia that is under state control OOOOOR b)state don't have well regulated militia that could be used to fight, and I quote "The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home."
tidepool
Each state has their own National Guard as well as police and sheriffs offices, which are all well regulated militias.
JAPONfan
Again, I quote "The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.". And If the ICE don't fall into this category (because no NG, police or sheriffs are used against them) it means militia is not notteded and the second amendment is null
wadatahmydamie
ICE is not a militia under any definition of the term, and random gun owners haven’t formed an actual constitutional militia in over a century.
JAPONfan
A) who said ICE is militia? B)NRA should be put down like a rabid dog because second amendment means jack shit.
wadatahmydamie
You. In the comment I responded to.