They're not liars necessarily. They genuinely think they're nice guys even though they're misogynistic assholes.
They think a nice guy has a right to call a woman who rejected him a fat stupid whore bitch because he's nice and she's all those things for rejecting him. They really think they're nice guys who don't get chances. It's mind-boggling.
Consent is not the absence of a "no"; Consent is an INFORMED and enthusiastic "Yes!". Coercion is NOT consent.
Pretending to be friends with someone with the intent of pushing for 'more' later - is willfully misleading them - is a consent violation. There's no informed consent at all. It's coercive and insidious.
She doesn't want you bro. You are just friends. She wants to fuck you as much as she wants to fuck a dog. OKAY??
I had a guy friend like this. Pushed alcohol on me and then made an aggressive move when I started slurring. Was shocked when I still rejected him. Once asked me to sex him to "put him out of his misery." I told him that would be like fucking my brother. He pushed. I asked if he intended to rape me. It ended the friendship.
Always thought "the friend zone" was so stupid. Either be their friend OR take the rejection and move on. Have some self fucking respect AND respect other people.
She's building that wall for a reason. The "friend zone" doesn't exist. If you can't handle being friends with a woman who won't fuck you, then don't be friends with her. Be honest with her and yourself and walk away.
90% of the time women don't even want to be friends with the guy they've rejected but she's terrified of how he'll react if she says that so she's letting him down gently.
Guy:”So…yeaaah, I’ve pretended to care about you for a semester now. Now what about my dick?”
Girl: “Sorry, I’m not interested in your dick. But I’ll be a good friend, sounding board, and emotional support. How’s that?”
Guy:” I lost interest in all those perks the minute you refused to include my dick. Don’t you even CARE about the Male Lonliness Epidemic, you heartless thot??”
Same here, my goal with everyone that I share interests with is for them to be put in the friend zone. I have a new friend, sometimes we can be weird together, and once in a while they don't finish their food and give it to me.
Friendzone is OK. It counts more to be happy together then than try to forcibly invade their space. Why is everyone so interested in just f*k*ng and not in a nice relationship?
Dude for real. I've met some pretty chill friends through online dating and I don't have to worry about disappointing anyone if I'm finding good conversation. That's much harder to find than a sexual partner anyways
There's probably some degree of rejection souring any attempt at a relationship. Incel bros don't register sexual rejection from other men, just women. Then the anger/resentment spiral starts and leads to all sorts of fun and happy places. /s
This makes me sad, esp for guys. To me romance is just friendship but bigger. I dont get people who treat them as wholly exclusive. My husband is also my best friend! Like, wtfuck? We were best friends first and then lovers.
This is the ideal goal, yes, but the sad reality is with how boys are raised to repress their emotions, men friendship is a lot more lonely than women friendships. What women can get platonically, men can only get romantically. But these are human needs that everyone has, man or woman. My theory is that this is why dating apps are so drastically dominated by men.
Oh, trust me, I know very well. Im trans, definitely dealt with the emotional isolation when I was younger. Just that, always being a tad queer to say the least, I never understood why people limited themselves. Like... yea, I dunno - every person I dated even before transitioning were just great friends I asked out one day. Hell, a few of them I accidentally landed in relationships. I might just be dumb and weird
I'm so glad that the rhetoric around "friendzone" has become more enlightened since the younger years of the internet. It used to feel a practice in absolute futility to try and tell online people that thinking only about the desires of the self and not the other HALF of the relationship is incredibly immature and selfish
So, there are two types of people, who think the "friendzone" is two very different things: 1. Friendzone is where you are when you realise that the person you really like only sees you as friend. This is okay, maybe it still means you get to spend a bunch of time with a person that you think is awesome, just no sex/romance. Maybe it means you start to realize you don't enjoy the person's time as much, without the possibility of sex/romance.
I had a friend in college, she was very attractive and we spent nearly all day every day together for months. Even if she wasn't my buddies ex I don't think I would have tried for anything more than friendship. The idea of even hitting on someone I'm not in a comfortable romantic relationship with feels like sexual harassment to me. Certainly at that time in my life being emotionally brave and honest wasn't going to happen.
Many many years later I suspect she wanted more. I remember once watching Zach and Miri make a porno sitting together on her bed. She said something like "do guys like that sort of thing" about one of the scenes. I'll never know for sure and it doesn't matter anymore. I'm happily married to a beautiful woman now and I wouldn't change a thing.
One of my best friends is a girl who "friend zoned" me about ten years ago so, y'know. Sure I'm still attracted to her, but that shit takes a distant second place to the joy of just hanging out talking. The system works.
I do encourage your nuance but I think the first variety of person would just call it having a friend. I’ve only heard “friend zone” or “being in the friend zone” as something that people say when they put specific value to a friendship, and a diminished at that, because they had other desires, and I think that’s a sucky thing to do and signal. It’s perfectly fine to feel disappointed and heart broken, but just cherish you made a friend, many lonely people out there envy you. Just respect people
This is well put, a lot of comments I read blame the guy, but it can be both, the girl can also string the guy along as back up, and it can also be the guy that out the girl in the friendzone, ppl need to stop blaming guys for this, it can be both
Indeed. There's also the fact that socially, for men, friendship and romance are very different dynamics. A lot of men crave aspects of romance they aren't able to get from friendships due to social conditioning.
I don't blame guys for this, I blame guys who use the term like this. Because I've yet to ever see a guy use the term friend zone in any way that, with a little bit of digging about what they really mean, doesn't translate to "I am interested in a woman and she isn't interested in me and that's not fair to me". Even when they think they mean the second, you just have to ask a few questions and find out their situation is actually what I described.
All of that said, it isn't that the second option doesn't exist. There are both men and women who put people on the back burner as an option, it who play people for gifts and attention. I have just literally never talked to someone who uses the word "friend zone" and it turns out to actually be this situation. Almost always, the people in this situation seem to not actually think they are "in the friendzone", but that they are actually somewhere along the path to a romantic relationship.
The second type of people see the friendzone as where someone keeps a person until they "prove" their worth as a sexual/romantic partner, or as a backup, in case the people THEY are interested in don't pan out. Yeah, you don't need the second type of person in your life.
the friendzone isn't real. Its a made up place you put your self. both reasons you give are valid versions of the friend zone but all versions of the friendzone are toxic. there are probably other versions yet to be mentioned but im sure they suck too. you are either eachothers friends, or something else to be debated.
Backburnering IS a shitty thing that people actually do. And the type of people who view the friendzone the second way you described are exactly the ones who do it, too- it's the other side of that coin. But ultimately the two perspectives you described just boil down to "do you respect other people's wishes or try to manipulate them." And yeah, you're dead right that people who don't have no business being in your life. This whole issue is only one small piece of the kinda shit they do.
Okay so which type of person am I if I would never even consider a relationship with a guy unless they were a friend first but that doesn't mean every male friend will become a romantic partner? I have absolutely 0 interest in people I'm not already familiar with because I'm demi-sexual.
Im demiromantic. Trying to form relationships and getting shot down because they didnt want to ruin friendships was such a confusing experience to me. Ive never known romantic feelings that didnt grow from friendship. For me love is and always has been like "best friends, but bigger!"
I dont think i could even be friends with a guy who uses the term friendszone about themselves it kinda makes my skin crawl a little, it feels like they are waiting for a moment of weakness to try again for a sexual relationship with someone not into that idea and I just hate that.
As a straight guy I see two problems contributing to ideas like you’re talking about. One is that too few guys have genuine female friends. I have always had female friends in my life and it helps to know about them as something other than objects of your desire. Second is that most of these men, if not all of them, absolutely know women socially who they are not attracted to and would not sleep with even if asked, and yet they seem incapable of recognizing the situation reversed.
As a guy, it's a red flag for me to be friends with a guy who uses that term. I met one of my best friends on OKcupid (yes I'm that old) and after a couple dates she just said she really likes me but doesn't want to date me. 10 years later I agree with her assessment and still love her and love spending time with her. She's a friend. I'm not in the friendzone nor did I get friendzoned.
I think there's a gray area in there where people aren't sure if the other person feels the same as they do so they go out of their way, obsessing over the other, in the hopes there will be some revelation that the other like then back but it's never reciprocated. They never have a definitive answer. Perpetually friends though one wants more. They'd rather be close to them as friends than find out it's unrequited. It's unhealthy, but not necessarily ill intentioned. It's a case-by-case basis.
The friendzone guys are of two kinds. The ones who don't make their intentions for a romantic/intimate relationship clear, and just poof into exsistence by itself. And the creepy incels that think women are vending machines where you pay your "nice tokens" for sex. The first ones can be harmless enough while the latters are a menace.
I feel like the idea of a friend zone has changed so much over the years. Growing up I feel like it was always depicted as women leading a guy on, acting like he was their boyfriend, almost kissing him, then ignoring him in favor of a hotter guy. Like an incel fantasy depiction of it to justify their anger. I’m glad more and more people are seeing it for what it is now.
In movies, that was a popular trope, definitely. In real life? Not so much. Most of the time, based on anrcdotal evidence, guys are the ones who lead themselves to believe that a woman is interested. And i say "guys" because they're clearly not mature enough to ask directly or show interest directly.
The original definition (at least as I knew it) was a girl who didn't say YES or NO, but NOT RIGHT NOW. She kept the guy dangling. He would usually be someone naive and inexperienced, who thought that if he stuck around long enough and proved himself, that she would inevitably recognize his worth.
It was the sort of thing that was painful to watch. The whole 'friendzone' I felt was more directed to the guy. It was saying 'Recognize the situation your in, and make a choice:
I think the problem is some people have unhealthy relationships with the opposite gender and only see them as potential partners. My wife used to have some 'friends' she'd known for years from college who ghosted her after we got engaged. As mad as it made me it made me feel sorry for them. They literally invested most of their 20s chasing one girl who had no interest in them.
Being real those losers were chasing a lot of girls. Waiting for a vulnerable moment. I can see how it would suck to catch feelings for a friend and see then happy with someone else...but I doubt that was those losers
Friendzone thing from my youth was just people who really liked their friends but weren't sure if they liked them back the same way. Then they weren't sure they even wanted to pursue it because they didn't want to potentially ruin their friendship. A self-imposed perpetual limbo. I've known numerous.
I was in that situation for a bit. I think she liked both me and another friend of ours, though. Eventually they dated and I moved on. I don't like the characterization that it's all incels.
While I agree the whole friendzone thing is not great, I feel we're swinging a bit too far in the other direction these days. Why is it always an assumption that the guy is only looking for sex, and not for romance? Like sure he needs to learn to be rejected, but that doesn't mean it's not a heartbreak moment, and that he isn't allowed any sadness from it.
Selfishness being such a large part of your existence is pretty malicious. They're not doing it on purpose, but they don't care about learning to do this right. How often are we going to keep excusing boundary breaks creepy manipulation tactics, and the silent wish to use a friend for romance instead of just being normal? If we keep excusing such extreme selfishness as if it's normal just because they're men, yall won't change, do better, or ever hold the capacity to think/care about others.
There are lots of guys looking for romance. There are lots of not-guys looking for romance, too. The problem comes when the guy pretends to be a friend only to spring the romance and then, if it's not reciprocated, completely vanishes because he didn't actually care about the other person to begin with.
I should start with the caveat "I'm old" at nearly 38, but the friend one to me was always harmless. It was a coloqiialism for unrequited love. Since childhood, I've had more girl friends than guys. My mother even joked that I was "destined to be a girl's best friend, not a girl's boyfriend" when I was in highschool. And I had crushes and embarrassing stories of admitting my feelings to plenty of those girls. None of them felt the same way until I was well into college.
2) I lamented that heartbreak and joked about the friendzone plenty. But I cherished all those friendships. Sure, things got awkward sometimes, but that's part of life. I never felt the phrase was a detriment. I wanted something more, but the other party didn't. I'm still happy to have a friend, but a little disappointed my feelings weren't reciprocated... However, I found out many years later I'm autistic, so maybe this was one of those social cues/expressions I didn't understand.
The friend zone can only exist if you are being manipulative. You're either friends or you're being a sneaky little snake ass opportunist, which is ambiguous consent at best.
MeowMachine12
pollypocketfullofposies
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ToSisPoS
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
"Fun" fact, that episode was inspired by a mass shooting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnyvale_ESL_shooting
MeowMachine12
NotACanadian
A real "nice guy" is a good MAN, not a good liar.
MeowMachine12
They're not liars necessarily. They genuinely think they're nice guys even though they're misogynistic assholes.
They think a nice guy has a right to call a woman who rejected him a fat stupid whore bitch because he's nice and she's all those things for rejecting him. They really think they're nice guys who don't get chances. It's mind-boggling.
pollypocketfullofposies
AranaDiscoteca
Friendzone inherently requires that you don't see women as potential friends as their friendship is a failed state.
pollypocketfullofposies
MaxMschief
Consent is not the absence of a "no";
Consent is an INFORMED and enthusiastic "Yes!".
Coercion is NOT consent.
Pretending to be friends with someone with the intent of pushing for 'more' later - is willfully misleading them - is a consent violation.
There's no informed consent at all. It's coercive and insidious.
indiscriminatedumpvoter
I love how “friend-zone” has both the word “friend” and also a negative connotation. Probably speaks volumes about the men it applies to.
stickywiggit
She doesn't want you bro. You are just friends. She wants to fuck you as much as she wants to fuck a dog. OKAY??
I had a guy friend like this. Pushed alcohol on me and then made an aggressive move when I started slurring. Was shocked when I still rejected him. Once asked me to sex him to "put him out of his misery." I told him that would be like fucking my brother. He pushed. I asked if he intended to rape me. It ended the friendship.
Don't do this. No means no.
Eramik
Even "not yes" means "no"!
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Sorry you (and way too many others) had to go through something like that.
AllMyOpinionSuck
No woman has ever put a man in the 'friendzone'. Men who cannot respect women or boundaries do. And then have the audacity to play victim.
kilgoth1
Always thought "the friend zone" was so stupid. Either be their friend OR take the rejection and move on. Have some self fucking respect AND respect other people.
CziltangBrony
Denvercoder09
Questionable Content?! What teh?
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
cosonfused
Was this an extra panel or part of the actual comic?
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
Patreon bonus that he published eventually
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3643
JefftheIntern
Hey, Melon is on the clock, that’s her job!
PunnyTiger
Guys who protest being put in "the friend zone" never ask how women feel about being put in "the girlfriend zone".
SuperFerret
If you find yourself in the "friendzone," you put yourself there. Grow up and either be a real friend or go away. Stop being a creep.
unluckyandbored
She's building that wall for a reason. The "friend zone" doesn't exist. If you can't handle being friends with a woman who won't fuck you, then don't be friends with her. Be honest with her and yourself and walk away.
gnomedeplume
yes that is what the post about is explaining about the cartoon
theinternetkeepsmealive
90% of the time women don't even want to be friends with the guy they've rejected but she's terrified of how he'll react if she says that so she's letting him down gently.
TankTrain
That guy is an idiot. You don't use an axe to break down a brick wall.
Trelis
He doesn't understand the girl's romantic rejection either, so he obviously isn't the brightest person around.
Zootsoot
Guy:”So…yeaaah, I’ve pretended to care about you for a semester now. Now what about my dick?”
Girl: “Sorry, I’m not interested in your dick. But I’ll be a good friend, sounding board, and emotional support. How’s that?”
Guy:” I lost interest in all those perks the minute you refused to include my dick. Don’t you even CARE about the Male Lonliness Epidemic, you heartless thot??”
tymonaSmasher
I don't like the word friendzone, but bonezone means nothing without it
pollypocketfullofposies
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grandfalloon
I didn't realize someone recorded when I tried to get that job at Best Buy.
channelranger
as a normal person I never understood why being called a friend was a bad thing. I don't typically wanna fuck people I couldn't be friends with.
Xenarion
There's more to romance than just sex.
JJankenstein
I dont wanna romance someone i couldnt be friends with!
B3N15
It's because these guys don't see women as people and don't understand relationships of any kind don't have to be strictly transactional.
ElbowDeepInAJedi
Same here, my goal with everyone that I share interests with is for them to be put in the friend zone. I have a new friend, sometimes we can be weird together, and once in a while they don't finish their food and give it to me.
Redraz2021
Because to these people it seems women are not 'things' they can be friends with and too them that's too degrading.
ghostly69
Friendzone is OK. It counts more to be happy together then than try to forcibly invade their space. Why is everyone so interested in just f*k*ng and not in a nice relationship?
TheMellowMoron
Dude for real. I've met some pretty chill friends through online dating and I don't have to worry about disappointing anyone if I'm finding good conversation. That's much harder to find than a sexual partner anyways
DoseOfScience
There's probably some degree of rejection souring any attempt at a relationship. Incel bros don't register sexual rejection from other men, just women. Then the anger/resentment spiral starts and leads to all sorts of fun and happy places. /s
Xenarion
Romance isn't just fucking. And there's a difference between friendship and romance, especially for men due to social conditioning.
JJankenstein
This makes me sad, esp for guys. To me romance is just friendship but bigger. I dont get people who treat them as wholly exclusive. My husband is also my best friend! Like, wtfuck? We were best friends first and then lovers.
Xenarion
This is the ideal goal, yes, but the sad reality is with how boys are raised to repress their emotions, men friendship is a lot more lonely than women friendships. What women can get platonically, men can only get romantically. But these are human needs that everyone has, man or woman. My theory is that this is why dating apps are so drastically dominated by men.
JJankenstein
Oh, trust me, I know very well. Im trans, definitely dealt with the emotional isolation when I was younger. Just that, always being a tad queer to say the least, I never understood why people limited themselves. Like... yea, I dunno - every person I dated even before transitioning were just great friends I asked out one day. Hell, a few of them I accidentally landed in relationships. I might just be dumb and weird
Yrmsteak
I'm so glad that the rhetoric around "friendzone" has become more enlightened since the younger years of the internet. It used to feel a practice in absolute futility to try and tell online people that thinking only about the desires of the self and not the other HALF of the relationship is incredibly immature and selfish
Eternalm
So, there are two types of people, who think the "friendzone" is two very different things: 1. Friendzone is where you are when you realise that the person you really like only sees you as friend. This is okay, maybe it still means you get to spend a bunch of time with a person that you think is awesome, just no sex/romance. Maybe it means you start to realize you don't enjoy the person's time as much, without the possibility of sex/romance.
HootSloot
I had a friend in college, she was very attractive and we spent nearly all day every day together for months. Even if she wasn't my buddies ex I don't think I would have tried for anything more than friendship.
The idea of even hitting on someone I'm not in a comfortable romantic relationship with feels like sexual harassment to me. Certainly at that time in my life being emotionally brave and honest wasn't going to happen.
HootSloot
Many many years later I suspect she wanted more. I remember once watching Zach and Miri make a porno sitting together on her bed. She said something like "do guys like that sort of thing" about one of the scenes. I'll never know for sure and it doesn't matter anymore.
I'm happily married to a beautiful woman now and I wouldn't change a thing.
DutchBoeremeisie
Oh, this is very, very well put.
BasicMojo
One of my best friends is a girl who "friend zoned" me about ten years ago so, y'know. Sure I'm still attracted to her, but that shit takes a distant second place to the joy of just hanging out talking. The system works.
IncognitoEnthusiast
Drylegs
I do encourage your nuance but I think the first variety of person would just call it having a friend. I’ve only heard “friend zone” or “being in the friend zone” as something that people say when they put specific value to a friendship, and a diminished at that, because they had other desires, and I think that’s a sucky thing to do and signal. It’s perfectly fine to feel disappointed and heart broken, but just cherish you made a friend, many lonely people out there envy you. Just respect people
tallyhoho
This I'm just so slack jawed at these responses
g3ntl3criminal
This is well put, a lot of comments I read blame the guy, but it can be both, the girl can also string the guy along as back up, and it can also be the guy that out the girl in the friendzone, ppl need to stop blaming guys for this, it can be both
Eramik
More people need to get this; The only person that can put you in a friendzone is you!
Xenarion
Indeed. There's also the fact that socially, for men, friendship and romance are very different dynamics. A lot of men crave aspects of romance they aren't able to get from friendships due to social conditioning.
theobituator
True dat!
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
I don't blame guys for this, I blame guys who use the term like this. Because I've yet to ever see a guy use the term friend zone in any way that, with a little bit of digging about what they really mean, doesn't translate to "I am interested in a woman and she isn't interested in me and that's not fair to me". Even when they think they mean the second, you just have to ask a few questions and find out their situation is actually what I described.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
All of that said, it isn't that the second option doesn't exist. There are both men and women who put people on the back burner as an option, it who play people for gifts and attention. I have just literally never talked to someone who uses the word "friend zone" and it turns out to actually be this situation. Almost always, the people in this situation seem to not actually think they are "in the friendzone", but that they are actually somewhere along the path to a romantic relationship.
Eternalm
The second type of people see the friendzone as where someone keeps a person until they "prove" their worth as a sexual/romantic partner, or as a backup, in case the people THEY are interested in don't pan out. Yeah, you don't need the second type of person in your life.
CaptSchmidtGaming
the friendzone isn't real. Its a made up place you put your self. both reasons you give are valid versions of the friend zone but all versions of the friendzone are toxic. there are probably other versions yet to be mentioned but im sure they suck too. you are either eachothers friends, or something else to be debated.
Blud4BludGod
Backburnering IS a shitty thing that people actually do. And the type of people who view the friendzone the second way you described are exactly the ones who do it, too- it's the other side of that coin. But ultimately the two perspectives you described just boil down to "do you respect other people's wishes or try to manipulate them." And yeah, you're dead right that people who don't have no business being in your life. This whole issue is only one small piece of the kinda shit they do.
Lucallia
Okay so which type of person am I if I would never even consider a relationship with a guy unless they were a friend first but that doesn't mean every male friend will become a romantic partner? I have absolutely 0 interest in people I'm not already familiar with because I'm demi-sexual.
SpawnLegacy
You are the type of women keeping the second type of man in the friendzone...
TheOtherKindOfDM
Nit trying to be snarky, but your answer is in your question. What you are is a demi-sexual
JJankenstein
Im demiromantic. Trying to form relationships and getting shot down because they didnt want to ruin friendships was such a confusing experience to me. Ive never known romantic feelings that didnt grow from friendship. For me love is and always has been like "best friends, but bigger!"
topscienceb
I dont think i could even be friends with a guy who uses the term friendszone about themselves it kinda makes my skin crawl a little, it feels like they are waiting for a moment of weakness to try again for a sexual relationship with someone not into that idea and I just hate that.
kilgoth1
Thats exactly what they are waiting for.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
As a straight guy I see two problems contributing to ideas like you’re talking about. One is that too few guys have genuine female friends. I have always had female friends in my life and it helps to know about them as something other than objects of your desire. Second is that most of these men, if not all of them, absolutely know women socially who they are not attracted to and would not sleep with even if asked, and yet they seem incapable of recognizing the situation reversed.
Ninjainslippers
As a guy, it's a red flag for me to be friends with a guy who uses that term. I met one of my best friends on OKcupid (yes I'm that old) and after a couple dates she just said she really likes me but doesn't want to date me. 10 years later I agree with her assessment and still love her and love spending time with her. She's a friend. I'm not in the friendzone nor did I get friendzoned.
Akurei00
I think there's a gray area in there where people aren't sure if the other person feels the same as they do so they go out of their way, obsessing over the other, in the hopes there will be some revelation that the other like then back but it's never reciprocated. They never have a definitive answer. Perpetually friends though one wants more. They'd rather be close to them as friends than find out it's unrequited. It's unhealthy, but not necessarily ill intentioned. It's a case-by-case basis.
Eramik
The friendzone guys are of two kinds. The ones who don't make their intentions for a romantic/intimate relationship clear, and just poof into exsistence by itself. And the creepy incels that think women are vending machines where you pay your "nice tokens" for sex. The first ones can be harmless enough while the latters are a menace.
adrianontherocks
I feel like the idea of a friend zone has changed so much over the years. Growing up I feel like it was always depicted as women leading a guy on, acting like he was their boyfriend, almost kissing him, then ignoring him in favor of a hotter guy. Like an incel fantasy depiction of it to justify their anger. I’m glad more and more people are seeing it for what it is now.
rusrsdude
In movies, that was a popular trope, definitely. In real life? Not so much. Most of the time, based on anrcdotal evidence, guys are the ones who lead themselves to believe that a woman is interested. And i say "guys" because they're clearly not mature enough to ask directly or show interest directly.
adrianontherocks
Not to say that women who do that don’t exist; but I don’t think it’s as common as movies/tv shows would have us believe
skincancerisfun
The original definition (at least as I knew it) was a girl who didn't say YES or NO, but NOT RIGHT NOW. She kept the guy dangling. He would usually be someone naive and inexperienced, who thought that if he stuck around long enough and proved himself, that she would inevitably recognize his worth.
It was the sort of thing that was painful to watch. The whole 'friendzone' I felt was more directed to the guy. It was saying 'Recognize the situation your in, and make a choice:
Eramik
The only one that can put you in a "friendzone" is yourself!
skincancerisfun
Either see that you're never going to be more than just a friend to her, and accept it. If you can't accept it, then leave"
TheFoodBaby
I think the problem is some people have unhealthy relationships with the opposite gender and only see them as potential partners. My wife used to have some 'friends' she'd known for years from college who ghosted her after we got engaged. As mad as it made me it made me feel sorry for them. They literally invested most of their 20s chasing one girl who had no interest in them.
DorgEndo
Being real those losers were chasing a lot of girls. Waiting for a vulnerable moment. I can see how it would suck to catch feelings for a friend and see then happy with someone else...but I doubt that was those losers
topscienceb
I relly just cant get that mindset, i love my friends with all my heart but that love is not the same as the romantic love i have for my partner.
Akurei00
Friendzone thing from my youth was just people who really liked their friends but weren't sure if they liked them back the same way. Then they weren't sure they even wanted to pursue it because they didn't want to potentially ruin their friendship. A self-imposed perpetual limbo. I've known numerous.
I was in that situation for a bit. I think she liked both me and another friend of ours, though. Eventually they dated and I moved on. I don't like the characterization that it's all incels.
Xenarion
While I agree the whole friendzone thing is not great, I feel we're swinging a bit too far in the other direction these days. Why is it always an assumption that the guy is only looking for sex, and not for romance? Like sure he needs to learn to be rejected, but that doesn't mean it's not a heartbreak moment, and that he isn't allowed any sadness from it.
Tible19
Selfishness being such a large part of your existence is pretty malicious. They're not doing it on purpose, but they don't care about learning to do this right. How often are we going to keep excusing boundary breaks creepy manipulation tactics, and the silent wish to use a friend for romance instead of just being normal? If we keep excusing such extreme selfishness as if it's normal just because they're men, yall won't change, do better, or ever hold the capacity to think/care about others.
CatShadowleaf
There are lots of guys looking for romance. There are lots of not-guys looking for romance, too. The problem comes when the guy pretends to be a friend only to spring the romance and then, if it's not reciprocated, completely vanishes because he didn't actually care about the other person to begin with.
WanderinBard
I should start with the caveat "I'm old" at nearly 38, but the friend one to me was always harmless. It was a coloqiialism for unrequited love. Since childhood, I've had more girl friends than guys. My mother even joked that I was "destined to be a girl's best friend, not a girl's boyfriend" when I was in highschool. And I had crushes and embarrassing stories of admitting my feelings to plenty of those girls. None of them felt the same way until I was well into college.
WanderinBard
2) I lamented that heartbreak and joked about the friendzone plenty. But I cherished all those friendships. Sure, things got awkward sometimes, but that's part of life. I never felt the phrase was a detriment. I wanted something more, but the other party didn't. I'm still happy to have a friend, but a little disappointed my feelings weren't reciprocated... However, I found out many years later I'm autistic, so maybe this was one of those social cues/expressions I didn't understand.
Tible19
The friend zone can only exist if you are being manipulative. You're either friends or you're being a sneaky little snake ass opportunist, which is ambiguous consent at best.
Eramik
The friendzone only exist if you put yourself there...