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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2021/dejoy-usps-delays-by-zip-code-map/
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2021/dejoy-usps-delays-by-zip-code-map/
Shade169
soon the gop will be "see it doesnt work, we should privatize it" after theyve spent years sabotaging it
The701
hardytardigrade
Among other goals, I'm sure this is to make things suck during a Democratic presidency so that people will vote Republican.
celebrityshoutbox
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celebrityshoutbox
Whoops link didn't copy, here, then see above https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter83&edition=prelim
SomeDetroitGuy
They can only legally remove him for misconduct.
KBlackburn
They must legally arrest him for crimes.
hardytardigrade
BootsDusty
scribetree
Wow.
certainlynotaserialkiller
fun fact: that guy is a major shareholder in the biggest subcontractor of the USPS.
Gilgamech
I thought the new plan was current. When did our mail speed up?
MVPHingleMcCringleBerry
Ikr. Mail in the next town up. (30 min drive on highway) takes 10 days to arrive.
theokaychick
Work for usps for 17y. A letter from WA to Fl should take about 4 days. After Dedipshit it took 6+, new version, who the fuck knows.
QQTrain
Honestly. I know it used to take 5 days to get a letter to my family in California from Tennessee when I was growing up.
DavidBrooker
I genuinely have no idea about this, but could Chicago have faster service due to its large population / mail volume?
SirBagels
It's one of the central mail hubs in the Midwest, the OLD postal sorting center there is like the size of a city block and tall too.
PteradactylStevens
It’s going to get even slower for no reason.
mrjbacon
I could get priority mail packages in central Ohio from Oregon in less than 3 days before DeJoy. Now I'm lucky if I get it in less than 7
BettingItAllOnGreen
Rep = ruin everything for common ppl, lose power, blame dems. Dems = let’s work together to fix it. Rep = no. Dems lose power and repeat.
BettingItAllOnGreen
Downward spiral our whole lives. Annoyed with both parties. Tired of choosing the lesser of two evils when they’re just being passive.
Strategicgnomer
Doesn't he own a lot of private delivery service shares or something? Isn't he a walking conflict of interest?
Blimjoe
USPS is halting shipping to NZL... GIVE ME MY OVERPRICED ITEMS LOU!!!!
RoscoePSoultrain
USPS just announced they're not sending mail to New Zealand - there goes letters and packages from mum, mail from IRS, etc. So fucked.
williamrichards
New Zealand post has said it will need 7-10 days to even process mail once it gets passed customs, this is a New Zealand shut down problem.
KevininPHX
Fucking infuriating. The USPS isn't supposed to make money. It's like saying that the US military operates at a loss. Yeah, no shit, dumbas.
tommy1Runner
Is dejoy not involved in dhl or FedEx or one of those couriers? Seems like a good way to drum up buisness
seyne
This is what happens when we insist that a public service runs at a profit while also restricting the prices it can charge and making it
flavivsaetivs
IT was profitable until Republicans changed the pension rules to make it unprofitable so they could shout "SEE WE NEED TO PRIVATIZE IT."
PaintedSlate
It's what happens when we let Republicans deliberately sabotage public services in order to personally profit and benefit their careers.
ThomasThundersword
The usps is a service it shouldn’t need to make a profit. of course without the pension bullshit it would run at a profit anyway.
fallingforboys
We don't require the military to make a profit
seyne
fully pre-fund all employee pensions
battery1979
75 years of employee pensions.
Treblaine
I think this is unprecedented not just in America but... anywhere. Especially for an entire workforce and not just the elite.
battery1979
It was designed to hurt the post office.
battery1979
And it wasn't just for current employees, but also future employees.
QueenofFerelden
They're trying to force privatization.
Enoan
USPS runs fine on its own income while meeting higher standards, at least until the leadership decided to intentionally make it bad
Se7enPr1me
Because greed usually
Plaird
A big problem was when contract negotiations went south around 2014, basically part time employees got a $6/hr pay cut and most quit
drdildamesh
But without privatization, there's never going to be any innovation!
invenio
In all honesty, UPS, Fedex, and amazon delivery is much better. Amazon litterally will tell you how many stops away the driver is.
Froggie243
Ah yes. An app an intern could write definitely justifies the sabotage and destruction of the usps to make some assholes richer.
seyne
There's a place for both. USPS is often relied on for delivery to more rural/isolated locations which the other carriers avoid due to the
seyne
low population density and infrequent deliveries making them too expensive for the others to service
invenio
Yes, but has nothing to do with advancing technology which is what I was responding to. Other mail carriers have innovated... not USPS.
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
williamrichards
Look at their public sector competitors. They're all doing the same thing. There's a truck driver shortage right now
SuicidalThrillbillyturnedLunaticChillbilly
Good. I'm from Ohio, and that means I only care about Ohio. More accurately, the city i live in. /s (this is how most Ohioans think, btw)
GinjerbreadMan
Someone is about to make a ton of money. Classic America
FGnewsbox
It was never intended to be profitable; its a public service!
KleptoKea
And we just learned in NZ that your postal service is unable to transport to NZ and many other countries. The fuck is going on with you guys
williamrichards
NZ needs 10 days to process post once it gets through customs, NZ's post problems are infinitely worse.
catsandcoke
He wants to divert business to private businesses that he owns. He needs to be removed. Maybe someone will go postal on him.
MiniMegaOfParagonCity
So the new plan slows down California the most... Right after California passed a bill permanently allowing vote by mail.
williamrichards
It slows down mail from Chicago to California primarily as a result of a dire shortage of long haul truck drivers
mesogiria
Well, on that map, it slows down mail the most from Chicago. Is California getting their ballots from Chicago?
cloel
I don't trust any politician that uses an exclamation point.
TheMooreYouKnow
I ordered some Lego figures, took a month to arrive.
GTimgur
DeJoy's continued presence is very much puzzling, regardless of this event.
Fargus57
Why? Biden can't remove him directly, only the USPS Board of Governors can. Many of those were put in place by Trump, Biden's nominated 3.
GTimgur
Can't the cabinet though? If I recall rightly, that's how DeJoy got there in the first place.
Fargus57
Nope. The position is approved by Congress, but removal can only come from the board.
tomatoboy
He’s a trucking industry shill who used to work for XPO. This is all to shift USPS money to trucking companies and ultimately weaken…
tomatoboy
…USPS to make his friends (and himself, surely) money. I’ll never forget the time XPO sent two poor guys to deliver a 600lb riding mower…
tomatoboy
…to my house with a box truck that had no lift and no working ramp. How were they supposed to get it down, XPO? Carry it?
sysaphiswaits
What really sucks is that the USPS DID used to turn a profit and still could!
williamrichards
1. It couldn't. Their package volume is inefficient, their labor prices are high, and they get taken advantage of by the other carriers on
williamrichards
2. unprofitable shipping lanes. The only reason their public sector competitors are profitable right now is their ability to charge crazy
williamrichards
3. surcharges, something the USPS can't do.
sysaphiswaits
1. Under Bush the government mandated that the USPS fund healthcare and retirement based on PROJECTED employment for the next 75 years. 1/2
sysaphiswaits
2/2 They have to fund retirement for people they haven’t even hired yet, and might never hire. It’s the USPS largest expense.
williamrichards
www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2020/04/14/post-office-pensions--some-key-myths-and-facts/ no, they're not.
Muunk
Strategic delays to the democratic strongholds along the coast of central and Northern California, Oregon, and Washington.
williamrichards
This comment perfectly exemplifies the way people see this issue, righteous ignorance. Check the miles requires out of Chicago genius
RoosterHogburn
Or... those are the furthest distances away from Chicago on the map...
TimeFoDat
To what end? Election mail comes from within the state. These are just geographically the farthest places from the city of origin.
TimeFoDat
Unless you think Texas and Florida are also “democratic strongholds”…
williamrichards
Well you see, righteous ignorance is the ultimate sign of virtue
llamallamadingd0ng
Sadly replacing him is an actual challenge and cannot be done so easily
CakeShapedPie
If you cant get access to guillotines, most hardware stores carry axes
llamallamadingd0ng
My wife won’t let me own an axe
bridgebrain
I don't understand how it's not "sign an executive order"? You can go to "war" with one but you can't fire one guy?
llamallamadingd0ng
I know. But it’s because postal has a different set of rules for their postmaster election. It’s not the same as other cabinet positions
FraudulentPepsi
I don't think this one was a DeJoy destruction issue. This is a post-pandemic transportation problem that most places are dealing with
PteradactylStevens
DeJoy unveiled a plan earlier this week to slow down the mail even more.
williamrichards
Gotten a package from UPS recently? This is an industry issue, not a USPS issue.
tr26
Probably doesn’t help that those active/in use sortation machines were decommissioned/removed.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
This ^
FraudulentPepsi
That part was definitely an asshole move
williamrichards
It really wasn't. Email, online ads, and DocuSign killed catalogues and contact shipping. Those machines were flat sorters, not envelopes
TheGhostofElizabethShue
You’re not prepared for how much DeJoy just sounds like a criminal.
stupidfools
No the questioner is just railroading him
palonoctisursa
Not ‘like’ a criminal. When I was a kid criminals where characters in comic books that stole purses. As an adult they wear suits and GOP
ChazzK
Native NJ boy whose mom was from NY here, I dunno what you mean he sounds perfectly normal and like a *legitimate* businessman.
dudekazoo
Oh wow, I really wasn't prepared.
jackspc7479
All I can think of is Fontaine
ImpossibleAgenda
"Honorable"
hardytardigrade
But his name ends with "Joy" and the sign says he's honorable /s
GodEmperorOfImgur
Yes, but it's "dejoy" much like "degenerate" and "devolved slime monster".
Bobbbyyy
Am I the only one that! Pretty sick
Aetherblade
Well, you are what you eat. And he's been eating trump's ass.
IsolatedAsshole
Holy shit I really wasn't prepared. What a shitbag.
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PutItInNeutral
Love the "back up plan" question! Had to rewatch that because of the sheer awesomeness.
LadyNetrex
$10B loss? Services cost money to run.
Silas007
I don't think post office should be a for-profit business. But the service doesn't generate the $10B loss. Republicans are to blame for that
NurietaGM
Exactly, it's not really a loss. It's a service the government provides. They know that of course but their base is full of fucking morons.
Bobbbyyy
No they know exactly what they're dOing.They want to destroy it, don't underestimate them
NurietaGM
That was my point.
xj4low
Wait till they find out how much the military cost and doesn't bring profit...unless you count the contracts to the military machine.
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
It's not a loss!!! Ffs it's the cost of operating!
AnythingMuchShorter
If so we have $20 billion per year in losses to subsidizing the fossil fuel industry. Though those really are more like losses.
Ninjainslippers
Yeah we spent $2 Trillion in Afghanistan to accomplish nothing, and that's not labeled a "loss".
Phyns
I'm not even American and it does my head in. Does the Fire Brigade also "lose" money? Insidious swine
Syxcfaq
That's kind of like saying the military is operating at a 780 billion loss annually.
DarthDrizzt42
Because republicans successfully convinced Americans that the post office is a business that should turn a peofit
Rhythmaster
Remind me again why people think myopic business psychopaths do a good job at running the government. It seems outrageous to me. Like the
Rhythmaster
Government is so obviously not supposed to operate like a business, so why do we keep putting businessmen in charge? They only fuck it up.
Silas007
I don't think it should but it did turn a profit until Republicans interfered.
DarthDrizzt42
Well yeah cause Bush made them fund their pension for 100 years onto the future, creating a deficit and giving them a reason to privatize it
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
It's almost like republicans are terrible businesspeople
TheGhostofElizabethShue
And I know I know, books, covers, etc. But for a president who was massively concerned with optics, he gives off startlingly corrupt energy.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
Not just energy. He actually sabotaged delivery for the election mail. That is such overt corruption that it's astonishing he's still there
McSkeevely
It's honestly baffling
Rhythmaster
Trump claimed he never met deJoy, and tbh... I believe it, deJoy is just some corrupt GOP backbencher the party installed, the GOP has been
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Seriously, believe Trump? Trump claiming he doesn’t know someone is how you know they’re in a criminal conspiracy.
Rhythmaster
Trump had no clue about tons of what was going on in his administration and his cabinet. I believe he personally chose some of the people,
Rhythmaster
Like Pence, obviously trump chose him, but postmaster general? I can believe the party chose someone for him. They're all in a criminal
Rhythmaster
Trying to fuck up the postal service for a long time, they want it to "make money" so they dont have to fund it. Its BS, but that's what
Rhythmaster
deJoy was put there to do, this is one of those things that Trump is blamed for but really it's long term GOP planning just going ahead, and
Rhythmaster
They even get to blame trump if it looks bad, but deJoy is very clear about what he is trying to do to the postal service, and how the GOP
GayCanadianJew
Why can’t biden just replace him? It’s exactly what trump did when he took office.
MantisTobagganMD
Nah, Trump didn't replace anyone. One of the greatest failings of Obama's presidency was leaving so many federal positions open (of course,
MantisTobagganMD
he was obstructed at every turn when he did try to make appointments, but still). He left them open nonetheless. And Trump appointed the
MantisTobagganMD
Board members who then gave Dejoy the job. The only way he can be removed is by vote of the board, not by executive order.
Gestalt7
IIR he didn't 'leave' them open. Much like the Supreme Court vacancy, the appointments were actively obstructed and there are no balances
wrenchhead
He can’t. Doesn’t have the capacity. It takes a committee to remove the PMG, and they’re all Trump stooges that are profiting as well
Silas007
Are you saying the tweet is incorrect or Biden appointed just Trump stooges. Or did I miss sth else?
wrenchhead
Good catch, I didn’t even see that. If that’s the case, it’s a question of them doing the same thing the Trump stooges were doing
GayCanadianJew
How did the trump stooges get in there? Clearly trump got them in somehow.
CannabalisticSpaceRapArtist
The entire red party must have been setting it up for a while.. they have a great long game.. and T didn't care about the how
shankycat
Hot take, I'd expect someone doing their job well and properly to give similar replies. IMO only real problem is describing the cost of
BobbyBoogie
Someone doing their job "well" and "properly" would answer those questions with no problem. Only someone hiding something answers like that
NurietaGM
BS, you remember Clinton stoicism during the Benghazi clown fest? That's how you deal with BS questions.
ABillionDucks
Thanks for letting them get away with it
shankycat
a public service as a "loss". As to my actual personal opinion? Corrupt POS.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
When they're under oath "I'm not going to dignify that with a response" type answers are a dodge because the answer is bad.
shankycat
I agree, normally, but in this case I also think the questions are bad. They seem like political pandering. "Does slowing the mail 'fit'
shankycat
the presidents tweets about hurtting the USPS?" Do they "fit"?? What a nebulous question. Ask the guy something with a clearcut response:
shankycat
"Why did you enact policies to slow the mail". "Were your policies affected by the president's political goals?" "Did the president ever