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Tracendo
This is actively going down in Michigan's Senate Primary. All corporations are throwing money at Stevens because she will keep the status quo. Abdul El-Sayed has them running scared. I already put my ballot in for him.
MikeRInternetTraveler
The DNC’s favorite demographic is “Registered Republican who might think about contemplating the idea of maybe considering the possibility of penalty voting for a Democrat… before voting straight-ticket Republican for the 9th straight election”.
That’s who they focus on. And it’s fucking insane.
QuartzPoker
They aren't secretly Republicans, because politics is not a binary. Are DSA candidates better aligned with my views? Hell yes. But even the most business loving, right wing Democrat is still miles left of the average Republican candidate these days.
Antrobus55
What I'm tryna figure out is how to convince people not to vote D without, i dunno, making Republican rule permanent.
TheDefective
SedatedSl0th
Fuck fetterman.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
There's an old Soviet (?) joke that America is a one-party state. But, in typical American decadence, they have two of them.
vidmagnuson
Julius Nyerere, he was the first president of Tanzania.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Ah. I was way off, geographically. Still, second-world socialist. Not too far off, politically.
Nanntuckett
The choices for the past several decades have been between actively making things worse or not making them better. America hasn’t done anything to actually help the people in forever. We need actual populists in power.
ThailandExpress
sequeezey
We truly need 4 parties in the US, and then ranked choice voting. MAGA (Fascist right), Republican (right), Democrat (center), and DSA (Left).
Chefpnut
Holy shit that hits.
symmetry7
Ooooo yes.
makesense
A terrible generality that is wrong because the vast majority of this Democrats this speaks about will vote for the more progressive candidate if there is one. But none of you are going to be mad if Independent Dan Osborn wins a Nebraska Senate seat because he'll caucus mostly with Democrats and get you 90% of what you want. Too many of your want 100% and that's what MAGA sounds like.
Emjayen
Sure, the Democratic Party is most certainly right-wing however the alternative is the Nazi party so the choice is still obvious.
ChewyTheWookie
As is, DNC has not and will not do shit about rising fascism.
Gotta fix the DNC to defeat the RNC.
Same scum and villainy run both.
Then we need a system more resilient against scum and villainy.
Never blame a religion, a country, a gender, a generation, a race, a sexual preference, or anything other than the sociopathic rich and thier sociopathic cronies. Zero possible negative impact on the rest of us must be the only goal of the powerful majority.
We could all have sustainable abundance.
hordesofgourds
I am now a sponsor member of the DSA. Join the DSA to change this shit for good. Fuck capitalism!
TheGriffin
The lengths Americans go to in order to do the mental gymnastics that justify keeping the status quo of the two party system intact is frankly mind boggling.
Anywhere sensible the solution would be start a new party. But Americans....
Bizarkly
Oh, new parties are being started *all the time*. Trouble is, they call themselves "centrists" and tend to be funded by millionaires...
andexer
It's money in politics.
kinarism
Those two things are the same.
It's just money.
sequeezey
Yeah the "that is everything wrong with our politics" is complete bullshit. There's a LOT wrong with our politics. MOSTLY citizens united. But also, Electoral College, gerrymandering, no term limits, no ban on insider trading, lifelong appointments for SCOTUS, no ranked choice voting, a two party system.. I'm sure I could think of several others but that was what came to my mind in a few seconds.
Comet260
It's capitalism as a whole.
samanthadlcruz
The billionaires fund faux democrat candidates as a backup plan in case the voters don't vote for their preferred puppet.
anononanonanona
Not a majority, but many. Plenty of AIPAC funded dems undermining what should be an opposition party and are now freaking out that We the People are firing them.
lastmanonearthbutidroppedmyglasses
MetalSonicSixtyNine
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ImJustHereAtThisPoint
dcfrenchstudent
May the centrist democrats expend all their energy in bluesky. If a DSA candidate gets elected in the primaries the "vote blue no matter who" nonsense flies out of the window. Only establishment candidates seem to be worthy of that slogan.
EverNotRelevant
That asshole is part of a fellowship that promotes Israel propaganda.
Filanwizard
I ask him to give me a good reason to not hate the wealth class and to not want to cut off Israel from US money.
RainierCamino
Love how Van Jones can recognize that the DSA is better at grassroots organizing but he doesn't understand why. Why is democratic socialism more appealing to a lot of people than your centrist bullshit Jones? I wonder why?
Arbitrarynamehere
They'll come up with some answer that isn't "because we can't convince voters that their material conditions don't matter and that elected officials can and are supposed to fix things instead of maintaining the status quo indefinitely on behalf of corporate interests"
Maybe it's because twitch streamers are poisoning the minds of the youth!
nurmich
Why would I hate rich people? They're only spending every waking moment of their life actively making my life and the life of everyone I care about worse because they have this compulsive and insatiable need to expand their Smaugian hoard of wealth when it's already to a point that they could never spend it if they cloned themselves a million times and passed it down a thousand generations.
colderfish
This year I gave up. 40 years with the DNC. 40 years donating and volunteering. 40 years of telling people that they needed to compromise to get elected otherwise maga would take over. And you know what? We got compromise....where all the things that supporter the poorer people were the compromise and all the wealthier Dems got their needs met. I didn't join the DSA yet, but there has yet to be a DSA candidate I didn't like better than the Dem.
Harm
Establishment Dem and Reps are playing good cop and bad cop and you're the victim traitée as a suspect.
WebDragonG3
both parties are right-wing parties. the Republican party is just now the more extremist of the two, somehow.
urusername2
The Democrats moved right, over and over again, trying to compromise with the RepugliKKKlans. The Democrats are now Right of center The DSA is the Left now! They are the ones trying to make America a better place to live! Vote!!!
CrimsonPermanentAssurance
And really tons of Leftists like communists and socialists argue the the DSA are basically glorified liberals; Center Left at best and not on the Left
urusername2
I like 'glorified liberals'. We should vote for them!
jtalbain333
It's genuinely confusing to me how Leftists will see Democrats all voting for something the Left would support, only to be blocked by one of the same few turncoats (Manchin, Sinema, or Fetterman) and come to the conclusion that the problem is Democrats at large rather than those three. It doesn't seem like a good faith position. They just want to replace all Democrats with their own people. Perhaps this is why establishment Dems don't want to deal with them?
Svartsinn
How is that confusing? The corruption is done in broad daylight. Especially with the senate, corporate lobbyists know exactly how many (D) votes they need to flip to kill a bill. You buy off more senators than you need but only the fall-person has to cast the spoiling vote. They get bribed extra and rewarded down the line with cushy lobbying jobs later.
jtalbain333
That's the exact line of thinking right there. Just the assumption that they're all in on it, no one is ever acting in good faith, etc. And that even if they had full control of all levers of power in the government, they wouldn't be willing to do anything. It's something that wouldn't really be justified unless you'd actually seen that happen. So when's the last time liberals held all the levers of power (hint: the last liberal Supreme Court was the Warren Court, which ended in 1969).
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
All Zionist Democrats are MAGA lite. If you vote for AIPAC or you vote for Zionists, you don't get to complain about why USA has become a fascist nation, why your taxpaying dollars goes to bomb little kids, why you're paying more at the gas pump or why your soldiers are dying for Israel.
Osiricus
Proud, card carrying DSA member here. If your favorite Dem is accepting AIPAC money, they aren't your representative, they are owned by outside interests that don't give a single fuck about you. If it comes down to them or a Republican, sure whatever, I guess vote for them, but primaries matter.
Dagordae
The problem is the people who, if their favorite candidate loses the primary, ragequits and does their best to make everything worse out of spite.
Jace99
2 parties is everything wrong with American politics. It’s a failed experiment. Move on ffs.
Korrd
As George Washington warned.
SomebodythatIusedtonope
This
unluckyandbored
Always vote for the candidate that is the farthest to the left that you're able to. If it's between a fascist Republican and a Democrat AIPAC lapdog, VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT. If there are no good choices, vote for the least-bad option.
Arbitrarynamehere
We need a real opposition party somehow. Donors, volunteers, and activists will abandon the party as long as it keeps losing elections and refusing to adopt popular positions on key issues.
unluckyandbored
We didn't get into this mess overnight. We're not getting out of it overnight. I know we need an opposition party. But you're never going to get "everybody" to do the thing you need them to do. Ever. Won't happen. We're not all going to wake up one day and say "I'm fed up with these assholes!" and magically fix it. We'll have to replace them a few at a time. And hopefully the establishment Ds will start to get the fucking message and change their tunes (or get out of the way)
Arbitrarynamehere
Zohran Mamdani went from 1% to dethroning an establishment dynast in one election because he ran on popular issues in NYC (and everywhere else, really).
You kind of can do this in one election cycle if you have the commitment to win and don't have the DNC sabotage your candidacy.
HULKSMASHBettycrylatherrinserepeat
Yeah, hell no to this Vote Blue No Matter Who GARBAGE, that's why your crap ass party does nothing but capitulate to the right, they already got your vote.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Voting for a Zionist democrat just means you're voting for a fascist who supports the murder of innocent children. Just because they wave a rainbow flag doesn't hide from the fact they back murder and genocide, just makes them and their voters a hypocrite.
LilacShowers
okay but if it's between a fascist who supports the murder of innocent children and a much worse fascist who supports the murder of many more innocent children (and much more) i am still voting for the first one. with disgust and anger, sure, but no, i will not in fact help get even more children murdered just so i can sit atop my moral high ground and proudly proclaim that i had nothing to do with this because i entirely pawned the decision off on others
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Voting for fascism is okay when it's a Democrat doing it. Understood.
LilacShowers
fascism is atrocious whoever does it, but voting for the least fascism is good whoever's doing the least fascism and even if that amount is still higher than zero. i would love to vote for zero fascism if that was an option and i would love to help make it an option, but until it is an option, i will in fact vote for less fascism over more fascism instead of letting others choose (since the choice between the two does get made one way or another) just so i can claim i didn't vote for fascism.
unluckyandbored
Read what I said again, and pay attention this time.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Yes, excusing Biden murdering children because he doesn't murder as much as Trump. And people wonder why USA is an absolute political clownshow.
wejustdontknow
Take it from an old Lefty like me. The current Dem party is not an opposition party. Is it a better option than Repuubs? Sure. Will anything change with either party in power? No, they are both wholly owned by corporations and Isreal. Dems play the role of the good party on TV while enabling where we are now. We have never had a truly Left party, and it's only going to get worse. Feel free to disagree, but I've watched this all play out for half a century.
ImJustHereAtThisPoint
Nanntuckett
Honestly how it feels. They’re essentially Republican lite.
Eyeetsass
It’s not even about left or right. The disconnect is a class war. They’re all fucking rich, and none of them gives a fuck about regular people.
Navrodel
They say that the parties switched sides decades ago - that the Republicans of today are the Democrats of yesteryear, and vice versa.
This is a gross simplification.
It *is* true that all of the hard-line conservatives flooded the GOP and drove minorities to the Democrats, but the Democrats never really picked up any of the progresives. They adapted to the shift by clinging to the status quo - one might almost say, conservatively - and tepidly welcoming the votes of people chased out of the GOP.
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NKato
Basically, I call the Establishment Dems, "Blue Reagan Republicans". Their policies fit neoliberalism that was created by Reagan to a T: be incrementalist in the concessions you make, fuck over everybody to your left, and worship the almighty dollar.
SubtleOrc
the problem is the voters. they continue to vote in ultra right wing fascist leaning extremist parties like the sheep they all are
SubtleOrc
or they don't vote which is even worse
southflhitnrun
The Dems supported Civil Rights in the 60s and all their "supporters" jumped to Republicans.
They will never be that "ratical" again. They will talk a tough game, make some allocations for the working class....but they will never support anything that truly changes the system or "status quo."
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
I'd say even the DSA is a mixed bag. They're an improvement but it seems like they backtrack on a lot of their major policies once they're in office. Even Mamdani has backtracked on a lot of his anti-imperial positions.
I won't say don't vote for them, of course. But make them accountable. If they aren't living up to their promises, make your voice heard and BE LOUD. Make them a real opposition party and be prepared to ditch them if they won't do that.
myth1250
Might I interest you in an alternative...? If that answer is yes, please look in to my 2028 POTUS campaign. I'm an unaffiliated candidate who seeks to rid our country of the political waste which the two party system has made commonplace. I seek to restore the working class to prosperity, reign in corporations, eliminate billionaires, and severe friendly relations with Israel (just to name a few relevant things). Patsy 2028, dealing in hope!
Kasemoch
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Jarjarthejedi
"Wholly owned by corporations" Biden passed the first ever corporate minimum tax, forcing companies like amazon to pay millions in taxes they were avoiding before, blocked the Kroger merger, and started the process to break up Google. But sure, keep repeating literal Russian propaganda, I'm sure the next time ya'll get Republicans elected in order to feel superior to people actually trying to improve things it'll be good, right? Useful idiots...
Arbitrarynamehere
The irony of calling the left useful idiots when you're running defense for the most notorious status quo warriors in the Democratic establishment is genuinely sad
thedudeman519
Also, isn't it a term rotted in Russian propaganda?
thedudeman519
Rooted*
Kaze54
The only part I disagree with, is when you said nothing will change with either of them in power. Currently, Republicans are making changes for a soft coup. Because their first couple failed. And our Supreme leader will be much worse when he is the supreme leader.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Democrats generally don't fix the problem. They just temporarily stop it from getting worse.
zFUBARz
You should really look at legislation history and voting records before saying stuff like that.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
I have. And America has been growing more right wing for longer than I've been alive. Bush expanded presidential powers during his war on terror. Obama, instead of undoing it, kept expanding presidential powers and the surveilance state. He didnt shut down Gitmo. He did regine change in Libya. How they have open slave markets. Yay?
And then there's Biden. Did he fix the problems of Trumpism? No. He was a 4 year pause before things went back to fascism, but bigger than before.
zFUBARz
Right, so you don't actually pay attention then. Keep being reductive and we'll keep careening toward the end of civilization.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
And the democrats are doing shit all to stop it, and under Biden what exactly did they do to punish or stop the ringleaders of that first coup?
Complicit is a very apt description.
doctorId
American politics is just a national level case of good cop/bad cop.
SecondHandDeathWish
Democrats are the "good cop". Looks good in front of the camera but turns a blind eye when the "bad cops" do bad things.
A few bad apple ruin the bunch. The bunch is properly and entirely ruined at this point
Cookiesnm1lk
legit, "be the bigger person" "play by the rules even though our opponent isn't" THAT SHIT GOT US HERE TO BEGIN WITH!
Cookiesnm1lk
if i have to give trump one ONE credit, it's that i'd very much like to tell politicians who aren't representing the people to go fuck themselves, whiiiich is probably something that only he could get away with sadly. :(
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
They're not even doing it right. Being the bigger person doesn't mean you stand down and let the bad guy keep doing bad shit. It means you don't sink to their level. You can still be VERY effective while not doing fascism.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Yea but being an effective neoliberalist fundamentally enables fascism because it inherently supports and reinforces the capitalist Imperialist system which fascist leverage to gain power of authority.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
...I wish to kiss you.
prosper020
Maybe we will finally spawn a legitimate third party in this shithole. I’d love a democratic socialist party.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
In the US, that will only realistically happen if the Democratic party dies out. The electoral system makes people strategically vote for one of two. Without a drastic over-hall of how power is alloted and how elections are run, it will revert to a two-party state (that's really just one party).
I encourage you to try. Both major parties are a cancer. More parties are generally better.
SquashDemon
Just wanted to let you know it's over-haul.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I'm sure you'd prefer to use the correct spelling in the future.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
I would. Thank you! Not sure why that was suggested by autocorrect.
SquashDemon
It happens, I just wanted to let you know in case you've only heard the phrase but never seen it spelled, which has also happened to me on occasion.
dirtcreature
We did. Clinton. That was moderate, socially aware, fiscally concerned, illegal immigration concerned governance.The Dems have been run by social media and Social Goals (we got a black guy, now let's get a woman!), while completely ignoring the voters that count: middle America swing voters who just don't want to deal with the far right/left bullshit. Anything "DSA" will lose the vote again. We need moderates like Andy Beshear. Win the battle. Stop trying to win the war that will never end.
CliffWestern
Your candidates keep losing and you keep seeing evidence that "far left" cuts into red territory in ways moderates will never be capable of. Not only will your candidates never yield victory, they will do absolutely nothing to combat right wing extremism once they are in power. And it's obvious why. The antidote for fascism is having healthcare. Affording groceries and a reasonable quality of life. It's the same observation Aristotle made about poverty and criminality.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Right! Let's run another moderate! Kamala Harris 2028! It's her turn! /s
dirtcreature
Let's lose in 2028!
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Right. Because moderates do such a great job of winning. That's why Democrats keep winning and Republicans keep losing, right?
dirtcreature
Which moderates?
ImJustHereAtThisPoint
Other than FDR when has a DSA ran?
MakeItBackAlright
The truth is much more complicated. The Democrat establishment as a whole takes Corp money. That's not corruption, that's the system that a largely republican ruling class created. But you also can't NOT take that money, it's just as important in politics as anywhere else. That's lead to compromises and lesser of two evils choices. But painting the entire Democrat party as right wingers is NOT true. A democratic Supreme Court passed the VRA. A democratic congress built the reconstruction, the
CaptKirksNipples
The supreme court doesn’t pass legislation so I’m not really sure what you mean about the VRA
Badprenup
I think they meant that the Supreme Court struck down a bunch of legal challenges to different parts of the VRA in the first decade or so after it was enacted. Things that would have gutted the VRA.
AsheLake
"The Democrat establishment as a whole takes Corp money. That's not corruption, that's the system that a largely republican ruling class created."
This is absolutely corruption. It's gotten so pervasive that corruption is functionally a prerequisite for participation.
MakeItBackAlright
Correct. It's ethically corruption but legally it's not. The game is rigged but it's the only game in town. Again, thanks Republicans.
ArdentSlacker
No no no. It *is* corruption. The US has SO much corruption it decriminalized it.
ALL campaign donations are corruption. All of them. All of it. It's a bribe. They're allowed to launder a little of it for their own wallets, and they're absolutely allowed to profit off their power while in office. And their families instantly get rich.
That's all actually SEVERE corruption.
MakeItBackAlright
Legislation preventing segregation. Obamacare had REPUBLICAN concessions but it was the largest and most beneficial Healthcare bills in US history. It was supposed to be interim Legislation before a MORE socialist piece of legislation could be passed, but instead we got republican controlled government for a decade. There is a clear through line here and it's not "Dems are reps," it's that there is a gigantic, right wing propaganda machine undercutting left wing politics.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
And Obamacare is extremely right wing to the rest of the world.
Hell in Canada it would have not even flown for our right wing party for being to right wing..
Your democrats are right wing, your conservatives are right wing but also insane.
MakeItBackAlright
You gotta remember it's all relative. Going from socialized medicine to obamacare would be a big step to the right, but going from essentially feral capitalism to market regulated Healthcare is a big step to the left. The US conservatives also have a huge head start, as the Cold War was a HUGE vehicle for right wing ideology. We literally had witch hunts for socialists, and our strongest liberal figures were assassinated. Our leftists aren't conservatives, but they are survivors.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Somehow other countries were able to make that step to the left. Canada had the same system as the USA but switched to our current one, sure it did take time.
And I don't even know who your leftists are, you all look pretty damn right wing from up here.
MakeItBackAlright
Push left. Vote left. Don't blame left, that's the propaganda machine trying to disenfranchise you. The mask is off now, it's clearer than ever that there's a right wing corruption in the pundit biz. People like Bari Weisse used to feign left beliefs but they are out and out propagandists now. The best thing that the right can do is attempt to sew dissent. Don't buy it.
cheeriossuckbecause7
Straight up. Liberals cosplay as left-leaning, riiiiight up to where the aipac and corporate checks come in.
darthnerdus6236
The right is also labeling them as far left. It's almost more of a mass delusion than a cosplay.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Not just AIPAC. Israel's lobbying is much bigger than them. JStreet is just as bad. They just use softer language when advocating for Israeli Jewish Supremacy and genocide/ethnic cleansing.
NKato
I'm okay with the Jewish lobby if it focuses on U.S. domestic matters (jewish rights, heritage, religious freedom, etc in the US) and stays uninvolved regarding Israel. But the instant a pro-Israel policy proposal comes out of their lips, they're a foreign agent and should be strung up.
NKato
The only way to make me soften this position is for Israel to change their government, pass a new constitution enshrining human rights as central to their identity irrespective of religious or ethnic background, and prosecute every single Zionist responsible for supporting or perpetuating the genocide.
And the abolition of Israel itself, replaced by a multi-ethnic state that respects all religions, and has a multi-ethnic police force intended to tackle extremists on all sides.
NKato
Israel was a pointless creation in all due honesty, and ended up benefiting no one but those in power and those who benefited from having Israel as a boogeyman (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran).
The British dropped the goddamn ball here.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
There's a reason I said Israeli lobby.
NKato
Yep, and I'm buttressing your point because too many idiots can't tell the difference.
delpharseven
No. If the US has elections in November - and that is a serious if - people should vote for whoever is most likely to beat the Trump candidate. The US is on the precipice of authoritarianism and the first-past-the-post voting system means you _must_ vote strategically.
whyisthisusernamealwaystaken
Bruh shut up. "We gotta beat trump" isn't a strategy. It's a wish list. The kiddie fuckers have been plotting for decades for a things to get like this since the southern strategy. It's well past time we do that for ourselves and future generations.
delpharseven
Best case scenario is that you have the next election to remove the Trumpists from power. That's it. You aren't going to have any more peaceful opportunities after that. I am not saying don't have a strategy or don't have an actual progressive roadmap. You need to have those, but they are useless if you do not stop the US from falling into white christo-fascist authoritarianism. First-past-the-post means that on election day you must vote for the most viable non-Trumpist candidate.
theobstruction
"We need to beat Trump" isn't a policy that helps people, it's just a strategy that holds back harm like a dam holds back a deluge. We lost the big elections where that was the strategy. Biden at least had other plans for economic and infrastructure policy. That's why he won.
Putting the brakes on when you're at the edge of a cliff is just a delaying tactic. You need to put it in reverse and drive away from the cliff.
delpharseven
Your analogy is flawed. America is not sitting at the edge of the cliff. America is hurtling toward it with the foot on the gas pedal. Right now you need to take the foot off the gas pedal and put it on the brake. I'm not saying don't have policies that help people. Trump can be beaten on policies that help people because he sure doesn't have any. But do not spurn imperfect but winnable policies thinking that you have more elections to try again.
Dagordae
Putting on the brakes is literally the most important thing to do if you are careening towards catastrophe. Simple slamming into reverse will just tear your transmission apart and leave you careening uncontrollable towards catastrophe.
Your analogy presumes that we have, at some point, stopped at the cliff face. We haven’t, we’re still barreling forward.
jdarksun
Vote for the left most candidate in every election. That's it. That's all you need to do, you just need to do it forever.
delpharseven
That would have been great advice back in 2000. There is no longer enough time to build a new party that can beat the Trumpists. If you want to have more elections to build a new 'left' party, you must first remove Trumpism.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
Well that and vote in every election you are eligible to.
AgainstMethod
Unless there's a Lefty spoiler third party candidate.
cheeriossuckbecause7
Nah. The lesser-of-two-evils voting policy is exactly why we're in the mess we are. Both parties actively work to protect the status quo. The fearful tirades liberals have been spewing since dsa candidates started winning is proof of this. If liberals really were serious about standing out against trump 2.0, they'd be embracing leftist ideas as a means to differentiate themselves in the hardest manner possible.
KingKrabvoldIV
Loser leftist rhetoric like this never produces wins. Just a safe space for white lefties while the opposition wins and takes more rights away from everyone.
theobstruction
It doesn't produce wins because cowards like you run from progress to the "safety" of what's known. And how's that working out for us? We live in a fascist police state. It's not Leftists that got us here, it's those "electable" Democrats who enabled Republicans.
KingKrabvoldIV
I am a progressive and vote in my primaries. What I don’t do is sit at home on election night and whine like a little baby. I understand how our system works, you apparently don’t.
Jarjarthejedi
You mean like free college? Or LGTBQ+ rights? Or decarbonization? Or breaking up corporate monopolies? Or union support? Or ranked choice voting? Or any of the other dozens of things Biden worked on and Harris ran on and ya'll said "no, that's not what we mean when we say be progressive!" because you don't actually give a shit about progress just about pretending to be better than others while burning the world down?
Bizarkly
So -- the Green Party platform, from back in the second millennium...
cheeriossuckbecause7
No, I mean more funding for the surveillance state, and the erosion of our civil liberties. I mean bensing over backwards for corporate dollars and cum-gargling for the wealthy on demand. I mean waating every fucking opportunity they get handed to them to sock trump's policies in the nuts, while wringing their hands and doing jack shit.
Temzilla
When obama ran on populist policy and then didn't accomplish any of it with the 111th congress, the largest majority since 1977, what exactly did you think was stopping him? Don't look at what they say they are doing, look at what they accomplish.
AgainstMethod
He accomplished a lot of important things; people just don't have the attention span to hear about them.
Temzilla
The main thing he did accomplish (obamacare) didn't actually accomplish medical insurance reform, it just made insurance cheaper temporarily, and reinforced the worst possible avenue for obtaining medical insurance (from your employer) because of big bundle deals.
Obama did basically nothing to challenge the establishment, and utterly failed in his promise of "Change".
Miller16of16
"Union support" except for when they threatened to decertify the railworker's union and fine them into oblivion. Harris ran on that stuff years ago and completely abandoned it for her '24 campaign. Biden wouldn't even push $15 minwage. Even now 6 House Dems provided the votes to pass Trump's NDAA, SAVE Act included. It wouldn't have passed without them! They got nothing for this support, therefore they genuinely want this thing to go, as-is. They don't represent their voters. Ever.
Arbitrarynamehere
It's so funny seeing establishment defenders parrot talking points like we didn't live through watching them squander every majority we gave them time after time. If what they're saying is true, they'd be winning!
Miller16of16
On policy, the Dems would win every election.