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Truth vs Perspective
This is a repost. Saw it before and it really got me thinking. I really think it's great especially in this time of politics.
Jan 8, 2021 2:18 PM
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This is a repost. Saw it before and it really got me thinking. I really think it's great especially in this time of politics.
Evo435
Maybe try to stop looking at shadows and try looking at the object itself?
C0MFI
MY PARENTS WARNED ME ABOUT NON PARENTAL SHAPES!!
CuckleyDoRight
It goes in the squAre hole
jimmyhowlett
It never said it's a dichotomy. It just showed that both can be true without being mutually exclusive, depending on perspective.
BioGoji1989
THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!
AdonesMr
Make it so #1
Alfadorfox
This is a way better analogy than that painted number cartoon.
Alfadorfox
And it reinforces that, whatever your perspective, even if you're right you probably don't see the whole story.
Alfadorfox
something something Plato shadow puppet cave
Harbltron
Plato's Cave intensifies
xizar
Didn't Plato say something about this? The shadows are *all* bullshit. Go look outside.
jaaaaay34
This is the same BS that got us here. Relativism & debasement of epistemology, alternate facts & individual truths, sentiment becomes fact
YeOldeImgurian
Also, you can just be wrong.
UKMonkey
but that's only if the truth is 3d.... sometimes it's like the earth. Flat ;)
AdonesMr
The Earth is flat. True from this point of view. From another point of view, the Earth is flat.
BishlamekGurpgork
Looking at the shadows would certainly convince you that this is true.
FeralSewerPenguins
Okay but there is truth here. There is a solid true object.
tallweed
Blind men and an elephant is a parable often attributed to Buddhism: "A group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant,
tallweed
had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it
tallweed
by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. The first person, whose hand landed
tallweed
on the trunk, said, "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan.
tallweed
As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon
tallweed
its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant
LoggingOutNow
The cake is a lie!
trigonman3
MyPasswordIs1234
What OP posted is basically the last paragraph of this pic.
ShiftingPattern
You seriously misunderstood the post. What OP posted is basically the original image, but fixed so there is no "correct" frame of reference.
MyPasswordIs1234
"proclaiming their opinions equally valid as facts" I thought OP was about how people mistake their views of reality for the reality. 1/?
ShiftingPattern
OP's post is about how truth is bigger than any one perception of it. People aren't necessarily wrong just because they don't see it your-
ShiftingPattern
-way, even if you are, in absolute fact, right in your own view. Truth is bigger than perception. Shared perception gets us closer.
poochyena
Don't get this mixed with with "everyone perspective is equally as valid!" because its not true. Many things are objectively true or false.
TielKiri
Even if that truth is unknowable, a person who only relies on one perspective and denies the existence of others has a lesser perspective-
TielKiri
than someone who is informed by multiple perspectives. Albeit it’s more complicated than that because sometimes folks lie and so forth
AdonesMr
Objectively yes, but this is about subjectivity. Assuming I am right, everything I say is true.
katalavenoligoellenika
This is doublespeak. While there are many perspectives on any given issue, and each can represent a facet of the "Truth", we humans tend
katalavenoligoellenika
to bolster our own perspective's truth with an egregious number of half-truths and outright falsehoods in order to pretend we know
katalavenoligoellenika
"the *real* truth, the *right* way". That doesn't mean, however, that there are "many truths" - Things can be truth shaped without actually
katalavenoligoellenika
being true. Don't presume that just because someone else had a piece of it that they're "telling the truth".
katalavenoligoellenika
or that "their truth" is representative of the way things actually are. Don't let "fake news" be the match that burns down our world.
theimgurappsucksballs
RipleyTadpole
JohnSnot
I think this is actually the truth
opibucket
Finessequest
DaveSamsonite
ShiftingPattern
This is part of why I try to get around...
db22
Plato's Cave ain't fuckin' around these days.
Kateness
That don't make no sense.
Listenhereyoumashedpotato
The ability to share perspectives w/ an open mind instead of viewing others as an enemy for thinking differently. That’s how you find truth.
Listenhereyoumashedpotato
By being open to hearing & understanding each perspective & put personal bias aside, u then can then begin to see things how they truly are.
Ceistebi
It's almost like knowledge and the world is complex, requiring multiple perspectives to get the full picture.
TielKiri
To be fair, *fuller
DustyMcKnuckles
As someone who sees the shape? Do we have an obligation to help other people see it? (Allegory of the Cave)
shaido2000
Obligation? No
JimStarluck
Considering that they're going to take actions based on the shadows, actions which can potentially affect you negatively...
JimStarluck
Not so much an obligation as a Really Good Idea.
DustyMcKnuckles
Hmmm. Thats a great stance on the matter, +1 I like it.
TielKiri
Also an obligation if we have an obligation to improve the lives of others
VolkiirKnight
I think what this really shows, is while people may a different perspective of the shape, there is a definite right answer to what that is
jflehr
Exactly.
VolkiirKnight
And that you need to see as many perspectives as possible to determine the truth
shaido2000
But all the shadow shapes are wrong! This is idiotic, the only true shape is of the hanged object, everything else is just perspective.
TielKiri
Welcome to solipsism. The hanging thing can’t usually be seen directly. In cases of “are all bachelors unmarried?” it can, but not in cases-
TielKiri
of, like, “who was at fault in this car wreck?”
shaido2000
The point is, there is only one truth in any scenario. Is it always easy to see? No. Can we argue about what is true? Yes, but one is wrong.
shaido2000
I will elaborate, if I see a 6 and you a 9, ww are not both right, the painter ment to draw only one of the two.
TielKiri
Indeed, there’s an objective truth, but very, very often that truth is unknowable, or at least hard to find. If the painter is dead, you-
Problemwoodchuck
The message seems clear. Reality is a fragile construct and the only truth is memes
ImmatellallyallboutFightClub
This is the way
SeriousCloud
peterloischrismegstewiebrian
Shadows on the wall are only a perspective of the truth, under the certain light & angle, like opinion pieces/commentaries, NOT the news.
heartlessninja6
How is the most truthful comment not at the top? “Yeah, I accidentally cut your kid’s finger off, but from my POV he was asking for it!”
AeroEngineer
Exactly. I hate this damn post. It always obfuscates the fact that perspective is important & helpful, but OBJECTIVE TRUTH EXISTS.
freshthrowaway1138
Uh the first image literally says this.
makgun
Objective means without the perception of the subject; thus the opposite of the subjective. How are you going to achieve that? To be able to do it, you need to jump out of your skin and look at the reality from a point where no perception is involved. Go ahead and try. I will wait.
BishlamekGurpgork
I think it says the opposite. As you go, it corrected the first image to illustrate that there are many shadows but only one truth.
KaraokeLemur
I dislike the post, because on cursory glance it will enforce the notion of "my truth is just as valid as your truth", as if truth was an >
KaraokeLemur
opinion. But the post doesn't hide the fact that the objective truth is right there, and not necessarily observable from a fixed outer POV.
TielKiri
Personally I like it because it shows that there’s always more to a story, and you can become more informed by more perspectives than just-
TielKiri
your own. And you can deduce that someone who’s only relying on their own perspective- especially if they refuse all others- is a poorly-
AeroEngineer
Concur
HotSauce2niteRingoFire2moro
soooo don't stop at the shadow, but look at the shape casting it. also use proper lighting and hang it mid air to be judged at all angles?
wulfricthewhite
Sounds like a Trump piñata.
litelbrown
Alright, Plato
dasklaus
The point of this metaphor is usually that the shape casting it is unobservable directly - the noumenon. You don't control the light either.
tacticusprime
Except that's also a philosophical position, the idea that the shape cannot be directly observed or the light controlled.
dasklaus
Well, it's a philosophical position shared by 99% of philosophers. "Can we directly observe objective reality?" is pretty conclusively 1/
dasklaus
settled in favor of "No, but our senses do really well, for the most part, apart from these 200 funny biases." 2/2
SeriousCloud
Strahnariffic
That's how I pick my women, my lobsters and my deities.
GabbyJayYay
but doesn't the act of observing the object changes the outcome?
PalDude
Not inherently. Check Observer Effect (physics) on Wikipedia.
BoomBoomParrot
Only when you know how fast it's going.
IUseThisToFavoriteAssnTitties
This isn’t quantum physics
duhleted
Quantum fizzdicks
evbrew
or rocket science
FartBoxExtract
This is... advanced physics
Elhifel
A footprint doesn't look like a boot.
DoAllOfTheDrugs
People from different perspectives aren't going to agree on what "proper" lighting is.
evbrew
if only there were some method developed to figure out the truth
ConstipatedVirgin
So what’s left to believe in?
Daimonu
In the multiface god
MediocreMongoose
Her face
BrickSniper33
Thigh-Highs.
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
You choose. But also have compassion and understanding for those that are under different lights.
SirBonSama
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you believing in me who believes in you!
CannonFolder
Death & Taxes.
PromNightDumptserBaby
Understanding and compromise
MoonyT
Magic Marbles!
keraos
Hamsters
Nommad
Big titty goth gf
Rhenthalin
Nothing, thank Hume
Hexagram54
*nihilism intensifies*
APerfectlyNormalPieceOfToast
Make your decisions keeping the possibility in mind that you might be wrong.
LaronX
Read the Wikipedia articel about Anti-realism
ArcaneDryad
Not the right
TakeTheStairs
The post is a totally broken version of the lesson taught by the Buddha about the 5 blind men and the elephant.
Davadid84
Sounds like a really awful porn movie
Binerexis
Actually sounds like the best
IronZionLion
It means you can have one particular truth perception, or more perceptions, all true but also incomplete.
cheeseguy3412
Boobs.
charlybrown1
Go to the origin
AThreeFootTallChocolateMooseWithFudgeEyes
believe in DirectX Raytracing
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
Ask around for more information before you come to conclusions regarding the shape?
CaptainDynamic
Your beliefs should not be 2 dimensional
TielKiri
Whatcha mean by that, if I may ask?
CaptainDynamic
Just a dumb pun from the image. don't think it's a great metaphor, reminds me of motivational posters from old office
AndKnowingIsHalfTheBattle
Big Titty Goth GF’s
PoopiesEverywhere
MemeLandLord
In electric bill. Too much light bulbs are on.
UnhelpfulAnswers
Shapes
GergsJohnson
The pursuit of truth
IntrovertedGiant
Believe that everything will eventually be destroyed. Chaos consumes us all.
Xenarion
Look at things from various different perspectives.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
What makes sense and doesn't get you hurt, maimed, or killed.
zcrcrow
Take all perspectives and work out the commonality between them. You need many sources to reconstruct the ground truth.
thegrammargestapo
This. There is no certainty; only an amassing and verification of data.
DVSBSTrD
You can see as much as you are willing to see.
DontDoWhatDonaldDontDoes
All the perspectives
GinOClock
Darkness
BatsArentBugs
This is a reader’s digest feel good story about nothing. As a rule of thumb, it’s useful to remember that YOU don’t have all the information
TheAngryEngineer
Vorlons
fishintennessee
Half of what you see, and nothing you hear.
Ulgroth
Anal sex never lies.
abitskeptical
Geodesic domes as homes
qmoodo
Believe in the real shape, and view news as impressionistic interpretation of what shapes are, and combine it with logic and sense.
Pikachaan
Just try your best to separate hard facts from opinions/biases and recognize what your own biases are and how they could distort your view
DougDeNasty
I don't know about you, but I believe I'll have another drink.
Iwilltryandmakeajokeofit
We are tiny specks of dust floating on a rock in a void questioning whether our thoughts have merit. May as well rub one out.
bigpray73
Love.
wabitgirl
Consensus between as many opinions as possible, and updates of the schema when new information comes to light. Constantly expand paradigm.
HeadsAndShouldersPeasAndCorms
Idk, the X Files?
thekrucha
For me, our best guess. Here's something I saved off imgur a while back, which seems relevant here /a/qxy6sit.
retailguy
Thanks! Great visual on logic, perspective & the path forward. My 18yr old will agree verbally w/this but doesn't comprehend. This wil help
BellsTheorem
Science.
FoamingToad
Would you like to study philosophy? It's about life, existence, purpose, and of course wisdom itself!
Lionskull
without being able to see the real object you have to look at something from different perspectives to be able to get the whole story.
mikeymikec
love, baby
Harbltron
A thing called love
MyharothS
The more of us that contribute our perspective, the closer to truth we will become. So, listen, and speak up.
ConstipatedVirgin
Gravity, Air, Water, and Good Food shared with Family and Friends
EleMenTal304
Salt is salty, honey is sticky. Work from there
TexasBaconMan
Follow the Gourd.
stankginchfurbuger
Literally science is comparing.all the shadowsnl available to us and coming up with the "probably true". Go with that
BishlamekGurpgork
You have to know that what you see isn't the shape, and use as many shadows as possible to try to judge the actuality of the shape.
CabinetDisplayPicnic
Keanu Reeves, duh.
jennym123
Believe in yourself.
OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
Deez nuts
SomeGuyWhoSaysStuff
Fingers can easily fit inside buttholes so use that information wisely.
Justice4ducks
Decency?
Inarticulated
EmanNiemThcin
Short answer: no. Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
TheJazzProphet
Suffering.
mikeatike
Shadow puppets
zeroisnothing
Pizza and peach cobbler
TheAllMightyThey
Compassion for eachother. Living life to your image but not at the expense of those around you.
PirateRubberDuck
You will never see the whole picture from a single source. You need to get your information from multiple sources.
lordfancypantz
The midichlorians are the powerhouse of the force
admeaz0123
Donuts.
tsaff
Enough lights to blind you from everything else!
jwynn92
Yourself (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧
MyNameIsBlood
Pizza. Always believe, in Pizza.
thisgoesto11
You believe that everyone with a different perspective has something to contribute. The trick is for people to work constructively.
GraemeDynard
Yourself.
CarbonNight
Keanu Reeves
CarbonNight
Oh you meant about the picture, probably not the op that's for sure.
Itslibbytime
Yo its 2 pm here and its still too early... I can't existential crisis today guys, PLEASE.
Redangle
Chaos
Se7enPr1me
The only way is to astral project into higher dimensions and then make observations on this dimension if you want to actually Know.
AdamGenesis
Yourself.
secretoaster
The Lights.
thatsecondweirdguy
(And shapes too)
stabbert3
Honestly, believe in paradigms. It's the best we have and have an open mind for when they shift. Worship the gods of empiricism.
WalksWithNoFear
That you can fly?
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Right, believe what's left!
fiddlewheelx
Wubbalubba dub dub... I guess?
DrEntGiant
Why not zoidberg
MrJimmyC
Pizza.
jellociraptor
Yourself homeboy ;) x
Sparkles42
Nap time
transference
Each other. No individual can have a complete perspective of the shape, so we have to cooperate to find the truth.
NeoHelios
"Why does the shape exist in the first place?" In reference to the baby-crushing machine.
photog
That if you don't use your blinker you're a piece of shit in all other aspects of your life
MarcoPolaris
The me who believes in you!
darkwing42101
Kamina?
sparklepantsthedestroyer
Don't. Don't believe. Think, know, constantly learn, admit our ability to know is always constrained, and that we may be wrong. Be humble.
amphid
Primary are square, circle and triangle. Secondary and tertiary are in the second and third picture respectively. If you don't know 1/?
amphid
what to pick, stick with the primary set of shapes. They have already proven themselves to be working in a direct approach and 2/?
amphid
shine the brightest, without alternating shapes to form the projection. 3/3
FlumphMcDumph
The satanic temple would tell you to believe in only the things that are empirically true to the best of our scientific knowledge 1/2
FlumphMcDumph
2/2 and to change our beliefs when new scientific knowledge becomes available
NinjasStoleMyMama
math?
SMB42
Thank you! Yes
thatsecondweirdguy
As someone who does math, I will never believe in math. If the result makes sense I don't trust it, and if it doesn't, I will try again.
BattleSalad
Believe in the real shape. Not the shadows.
YpsilantiRomani
This is what I was going to say
FunctioningWorkaholic
And as it turns out, there never was a real shape. Just a bunch of pixels on flat surface.
Vojens
Literally day one of PHIL100. And people say philosophy is a waste.
Webel
Proxies will always fuck us up. Weapons of Math Destruction is a brilliant rendition of such.
Flagrum
No. Believe in conspiracy theories! The earth is flat and the shape is too! It's only a 2 dimensional, flat GIF!
darkwing42101
Hmm, not sure if satire or disguised endorsement of the Holographic Universe Theory. ?
Flagrum
GIF, as a computer file format, rather points to Nick Bostrom's Simulation Theory. ^^
jasgstock
What if the "shape" isn't enough, or isn't even the right information? What if what really matters is the weight, or hardness, etc.?
jasgstock
That is - one can view something from 100% of all angles and still not know the thing that might really matter.
ConstipatedVirgin
Like, as if... No one knew it was a holographic projection until they tried to touch it.
sgnight13
Bruh
SpartaGuss
But I was born there
RhamnusiaThePaladin
Correct, the solid 3D shape (in the example) is the truth depicted, not the shades or views.
amp99
The "real shape" depends on your perspective (which is true of most things in life, although not quite as literally in a geometric sense).
BishlamekGurpgork
It does not. Your judgement of the shape depends on which shadow you believe in. You need to judge many shadows to evaluate the true shape.
RhamnusiaThePaladin
Study, not judge. As someone who reads and write technical drawings, I don't judge them, I strive to understand them.
BishlamekGurpgork
Eventually there must come a time where you have to state a conclusion based upon your study, yes?
m000z0rz
No! The real shape does NOT depend on your perspective, that's the ENTIRE POINT. Only observed shadow depends on your perspective.
RhamnusiaThePaladin
Actually, there is a definitive number of "views". but the number depends on the complexity. It's an engineering and tech. drawing thing.
RhamnusiaThePaladin
in Engineering, usually 3 is sufficient for a general idea of size shape and location. but shop drawings, for building require a book.
m000z0rz
And by seeking multiple perspectives and understanding their differences, you can extrapolate the true shape, or at least keep getting bettr
amp99
You can never see the "real shape" unless you view it from all perspectives, which you can't, especially when talking about real life. 1/2
rick2g
But the real shape is unknowable. How can one truly believe what one does not truly know?
FanOfSmaug
Touch it
RhamnusiaThePaladin
By viewing and understanding other perspectives you obtain a more accurate and detailed definition of the object or event or idea.
bekkayya
We call that 'science'. Observe every shadow, hypothesize the shape, continue observing shadows, if it all lines up, you're correct.
henevas9
Collect all the shapes. Discern patterns. Collect other projections
trigonman3
Gotta catch 'em all
KatieIsALady
We have to consider all the shadows together and consolidate our knowledge. The real shape is knowable but only if every observer is honest,
KatieIsALady
Accurate, and a good communicator. Knowing the truth requires cooperation.
OxygenTheif
OK Plato.
Fanaticalmoderate
Fucking fantastic
jbrightmans
Allegory of the cave
MrBobSaget
you can make all sorts of shapes with play-doh
SomebodyThatIsntMe
badinformation
Nailed it
3lv3n
OK Socrates
OxygenTheif
Isometimestakethingsliterally
The truth from your own perspective, just try to temper it with wisdom and compassion.
YpsilantiRomani
Love this comment
PaintedSlate
Wisdom and understanding involve piecing together the 3D shape and how it interacts with the lights. Leads to compassion and better actions.
pptninja
Boobs and thicc thighs
TeishaTaisha
Amen
AntRam95
Also chokers
BatsAreAwesome
even then. It can be tricky.
NothingToSeeHereKeepMoving
LookingLikeASnack
If they got thighs, and those thighs are thicc, there ain't nothin' tricky about it.
NeoHelios
I drink to haboobs!
massholesome
I'd rather boobs and thigh gap.
garounevirs
This is the way
asimovcascade
This is the way
RPCharImages
What about thigh highs? Can we believe in that too? please?
pptninja
Of course! Thigh highs are an essential part of the Church of Thighdeology
DustyMcKnuckles
Hello, yes. I would like to learn more about your percieved reality.
pptninja
Are you asking about my Thighdeology?
DustyMcKnuckles
Why... why, yes. I do believe, I most certainly am asking about your Thighdeology.
pptninja
My creed is 'Thicc thighs save lives' and read from the Holy Thighble every day
DustyMcKnuckles
An open mind and the ability to change your opinion with the presentation of new facts and perspectives
TheStateOfDenial
Exactly this. No more, no less.
StumpyToe
THIS!
Se7enPr1me
Step 1. Transcend to the fourth dimension and absorb all knowledge step 2. ????
darkwing42101
Attack and dethrone God?