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To whomever said the Primaries were not rigged
The DNC (Democratic National Convention) looking for negative narratives to spread against Bernie
DNC wondering if they should have the media press Bernie on religion before the KY and WVA primaries
Oops, not supposed to talk about this sort of money sharing.
(DWS = Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, Chair of the DNC) How can we get intel on the Bernie campaign for her?
"get this narrative around without attributing it to the DNC"
As far back as April, DNC transitioning to the general election with Hillary as their nominee.
"One of ours"? (nopenopenope)
Propaganda, nothing to do with Bernie tbh
hush hush joint fundraiser between the DNC and Washington Post
Morning Joe hosts on MSNBC dared to defend Bernie.
Same incident as above.
Originally posted by @Kadabrah . Posted this because I feel this NEEDS to get around
robertlosier
Didn't we just do this with a different gif?
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
yeah... that was my post, but if it means more exposure...
somethingsomethingsomethingsomethings
Crooked
AlexDuos
#4 Hey leave me the hell out of this.
gamesthatiplay
I assume they meant Alex Jones.
IsThatWhatYouWant
Oh come on, Alex! Keep your head in the game!
wearetheoriginofspecies
Godfuckingdamnit Alex!!!
usernamesarewack
I work in politics and sometimes things like that happen. An I.E. Reaches out to you which they aren't supposed to do and it's like WTF!?
namiasdf
Americans who are proud of their democracy, is like NK being proud of their missile program.
bhazor
Every main party candidate is a damn shambles this time. I'd say I'm hoping for a third party but people never vote outside their own party.
justvenomcake
A majority of Americans are moderate. Both parties combined are still smaller in population.
Bananasandwich03
As a Republican, this crap needs to stop on both sides. The people need to unite or this is never going to stop.
NotEvenRelevant
Politicians are the dirtiest of them all
Nate09214
I can't help but wonder if some of the people defending Clinton are part of the group of people she paid to support her online. Lmfao
JustTheFactsMan
Have no doubts.
Lykiaos
So... do we... do we... vote trump?
Zombiedude101
You want to do some damage to the DNC it has to be physical. Trash their resources, trash their shitty people - bleed them of money.
littlemirrorsatourfeet
This is really disgusting and makes me sad for my country. I already knew it was happening, but seeing it makes it more real..
Maraak
Democracy relies on INFORMED voters, given unbiased, fair & equal representation & information on the candidates on which they vote...
Maraak
...which the DNC in secret has worked against. Their charter demands they remain impartial & neutral. They worked against that too. Fuck'em!
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
The illusion of choice -- George Carlin
daveisamonster
Do they really talk like that?
LefthandedLink
You grossly overestimate the conversational skills of government/political workers.
daveisamonster
Clearly.
neanderbob
The amount of defense of the DNC on this post astounds me. Yelling ITS NOT ILLEGAL doesnt make it okay.
Dayrest
You're right, but I think the objection is to the word "rigged". This is not rigging anything. It's favoritism. Semantics matter.
educationalballs
The DNC supporting the only Democrat in the race, and not the socialist who threatened to can everyone at the DNC if he won? SHOCKING.
Aranyszin
The desperate efforts to rationalize this so that it's "okay" would be hilarious if it wasn't so terrifying.
nanonator
You mean someone who spent 16 years developing connections was better favored than the guy who showed up to the party for free appetizers?
educationalballs
Who still got almost everything he wanted from the party plus a prime DNC slot.
GrafGalland
Sauce https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/
AlkeneThiol
This exact post with a different bird flipping gif is already on FP. Fuck you, @OP
GrafGalland
Em. If you were to read the whole post, or just the bottom of it, you´d see that I said this was not my originak post
ChachCabulivich
This reminds me of the voter fraud Ron Paul suffered by the Republican Party supporting ole Mitt Romney.
ChachCabulivich
"If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it" Mark Twain
marlinoriz
Ty OP, propagation does indeed need to be done... not understanding why none of this is on FP
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Except it fucking has been, a lot.Furthermore, this is unverified,and it isn't "rigging".You're all as bad as politicians.
BluBoxx
Worse actually.
thegreattasteoflymon
Lack of cats or titties, probably.
funeralpyre
As a democrat... the democrats will not be getting my vote any more
JustTheFactsMan
Nor any of mine. I'm an Independent, and this year's corruption has done it for me with them. And I was a Democrat for years and years.
lGneousMlracIe
It's almost as though people trying to seize power, wholesale, shouldn't be trusted with the power they're looking to seize.
lGneousMlracIe
GW warned us about a two party system, and we thought he was just being a jerk.
vladimusvonhackenslash
I doubted you guys, I am sorry and I was wrong, holy shit this is shady.
sarsipius79
Thank you. That's the first time I've heard that.
jdrocker45
We need some election reform! Lets elect a leader who ca.....oh wait
Jehovasthickness
While I don't like Bernie enough to have voted for this these DNC people are scumbags.
shadowbanmeagain
Mika Brezinski got her wish, Dirty Debbie Wasserman Schultz stepped down.
Disembowleeh
TL;DR Politics. Private political organization confirms contributing members are on the same page.
IdeaOfLove
While outwardly pretending they are neutral and fair and representative of the public.
chelstor
They signed a neutrality agreement. And at this point, I don't think anyone can possibly call the DNC "private".
AntiCircleJerker
It's weird that msn, yahoo, aol are all avoiding covering this news on their frontpages. You would think a party rigging elections was news.
Mergrrl
It's #3 on MSN
AntiCircleJerker
Nice. Glad they finally covered it. Seems like it's huge news. It seems as big as Watergate to me. A party wanted to rig an election.
lGneousMlracIe
Not news. The whole design of the DNC primary is to allow the DNC to choose its candidate. The public can't be trusted to choose correctly.
JustTheFactsMan
Democrats doing bad things is never news. The media has been co-opted. Read the released emails.
BrownskinOriental
How was it rigged exactly? I don't even remember any of those "narratives" on the news. Most of Bernie's downfall was due to media covering
supervillin
The media coverage IS part of this collusion, the DNC fed stories to the news. But also, you know, the whited out Sanders votes were bad.
gamesthatiplay
Yeah I'd say Bernie's downfall was no one covering him outside of imgur. Old white guy versus Hillery & Trump? Good luck.
ElPoloDiablo
Imgur isn't anywhere near as big in covering Bernie as Reddit was.
gamesthatiplay
I suppose I just come here. There are more cat photos.
BrownskinOriental
Trump while Bernie was giving his speeches. I remembered Bernie had a speech and news stations covered Trump's empty podium waiting for him.
Counterfit
"Should we cover the grumpy old man or the dumpster fire with a toupee?"
Soyweiser
This even happens outside of the usa. In my European country, any discussion about hil vs ber most of the time only hil on screen.
MrTay
But the DNC is a private organization and not a government organization so it's a grey area.
LefthandedLink
I really hate the obscenely massive crack in the system that political parties fall into.
MrTay
It's rigged because it's called voter manipulation. Making up stories around current events to spin people to one side is illegal.
BrownskinOriental
You reporting all US news stations to the police cuz that's how they make money? Putting spin on facts.
CascadianTwilight
Lol no it's not
HopeHubris
It's basically how all politics works though
chopchoptime
Exactly the DNC used all of their puppets to push a the narrative of pro Clinton and shot down Bernie. The DNC should have stayed out
chopchoptime
Of it and let the Clinton Campaign do its thing but instead they help out who they wanted to see win. Giving Clinton many more resources
Fredfinks
"In empty podium we trust!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfTgxrxL9ug
maniacalmacaroni
That's on whatever channels did that, not really on the DNC, and definitely not on Hillary. Mostly on the viewers actually for tuning
siouxperman
Those news stations ignored tens of thousands in support of sanders and pushed for a few hundred in support of trump and his narrative.
siouxperman
These stations you're talking about that you may think aren't against sanders are definitely for clintion. The evidence above proves this.
maniacalmacaroni
In to watch an empty podium and slobbering over every fart that came out of trump's face hole rather than changing the channel.
Slytherwin
Is anyone really surprised?
zoedaddy305
Aranyszin
Nope. So that means no one should be angry. We are so accepting of deception from our politicians that we mock those who oppose it.
w0ntoan
Nope. Would I be surprised if wiki leaks got a hold of reince priebus' emails either? Nah.
ashmenon
What IS it with Democrats and emails.
meskarune
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy
ashmenon
Oh wow, did not know about this. Washington loves their email scandals, apparently.
lGneousMlracIe
This was fairly different as the purpose of the gwb server was to allow political app/ees to conduct Party bus. w/o violating the Hatch Act.
lGneousMlracIe
While there were some accusations of it being used for "official" business, there was no issue of classified information being transmitted.
meskarune
You are missing the point. The point is that issues with email is in both parties. It's the whole US government.
scruffymarcher
I say we go back to pigeons. Much more dramatic way of receiving news.
RepostSadistic
Politicians shit on us all the time, and now you want them to have pigeons that will do the same.
scruffymarcher
But I like pigeons
RepostSadistic
I do too, but not the shitting on us part!
RepostSadistic
http://jokes.cc.com/funny-god/q831mo/statues-come-to-life
scruffymarcher
Lol I chuckled tbh
ScaryBarryO
Did any of this stuff have an affect on the campaign? I know there was underhanded stuff. What did it do to the campaigns?
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tisphated
Yeah. All three million votes more. Scraping.
huffdogg
Well it's hard to say for sure but had the DNC actually supported all of the candidates equally then Bernie would have been on defense less
MidlandRedux
I was following the campaign closely and was mostly impressed by how the media gave free air time to Trump, day after day after day.
cfcannon
Old but it shows what you said: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-mammoth-advantage-in-free-media.html
MidlandRedux
He brags about it. And, if you ask, the networks freely admit to it. "It may be bad for the country, but great for CBS news." Real quote.
type102
This is happening now, be more angry.
Spidey209
Delegates declared early influencing the subsequent votes.
scruffymarcher
Did the same thing in 2008 before switching to Obama last minute, try again.
Spidey209
This time it worked
IntercontinentalAardvark
You're only seeing the emails. Imagine what happens in actual meetings.
cfcannon
Some of the emails suggest that things could be worse offline. People saying shady things then stopping conversation to talk offline.
SomeDetroitGuy
No - by April, the math was clear and Hillary was going to win the nomination. Of course the DNC wanted to finish the promary quickly.
Iwillhaveoneofeverything
I'm kinda bothered that this didn't come out during the primaries. I am not sure what effect it'll have now besides more vote for Trump.
MorgothTheDemonLordFormerlyKnownAsMelkor
Collusion with the media giving a specific narrative. Playing down Bernie and instead talking about Trump or Hilary.
cfcannon
then there was the media pushing of the sexist Bernie Bros propaganda and the lies about what happened in NV. It all hurt his chances.
1Plebian
Kind of a dumb question yo,
Maraak
Media being critical of Hillary were told off, those supportive of or even just covering Sanders got the same. Collusion.
MarkTh
Really significant I would imagine. I can remember where Sen. Sanders won & they would spend 2-3hrs discussing how well Sen. Clinton did.
atomsk1
Gave Hillary a massive advantage, with the full backing of the Party machinery behind her, INCLUDING SuperPAC collusion which is illegal
HeyOP
1) The Bernie campaign took a hit with the snooping thing. If there were conclusive evidence of anything here showing the DNC were
HeyOP
3) Trump's benefit. Well, maybe also benefit to those who support 3rd parties, as their votes will likely go up.
HeyOP
2) behind that OR conclusive evidence that they rigged the primaries, this would be huge. It'll be huge anyway, probably, but solely to
SmellyPotatoMan
You remember when instead of Bernie's speech we saw an empty Trump podium? That's how the bribed/biased media affected the campaign.
scruffymarcher
He lost and trump won. That's why they were covering trump. I don't get what people don't understand about thisb
Maraak
Are you retarded? Circular logic=Bernie lost because they cover the winners so Bernie lost.
scruffymarcher
Sanders had lost to Clinton. They also ignored a Clinton victory speech, but hey who gives a shit because poor fucking Bernie. Idiot
scruffymarcher
That "empty podium" that everyone has a fucking hard on for was a day that trump had beaten Rubio and Cruz handily in a few primaries, and
GrafGalland
Not giving Bernie coverage, of if they did, they were undermining him
HamsterOnAGoat
so a positive outcome at the end of the day, given how disastrous his policies are
KunFayyaKun
Oh no. Media manipulation? The horror.
ResistanceIsFutile
2/2 voting for Trump. Until my conversation with her, she had never heard of Bernie. I provided proof and she stuck to being a hypocrite.
ResistanceIsFutile
1/2 His lack of coverage is frightening. A good friend of mineʻs, who claims sheʻs a democratic socialist, Republican father talked her into
supervillin
Sanders went from unknown to 43% of the popular vote with the deck so stacked against him, so the collusion likely cost him the presidency.
Rasmoh
because he's popular on the internet among millennials doesn't mean that the average person would actual vote for his communist ass. 2/2
OhBabyLetsSeeThatWenis
But we aren't all millennials, damn.
Rasmoh
Hahahahaha, DNC corruption or not, Bernie had 0% chance of winning the presidency and 1% chance of being the Democratic nominee. Just 1/2
Ravonrip
They were not rigged. Did they favour her? Yes, she was their candidate. Were they trying to discredit Bernie? Yeah. Rigging? No.
lurkerconvert
I agree my Brit (or Aussie) friend. Btw Brit or Aussie? ...... 'cause I wanna ask about Brexit.....
Ravonrip
For now, a Slovenian. Would be a future Brit, after graduation, but now, after Brexit.. not so much.
lurkerconvert
Ah. I see. I wish you good fortune.
OhNuggins
Running out of ballots (and not counting provisionals) and reducing polling places when voter registration skyrocketed. Not rigged at all...
twozerooz
Your imagination is getting away from you. You honestly think polling is capable of identifying where Bernie supporters are down to
twozerooz
A few block radius? And you must also think Bernie supporters cared so little about Bernie that they wouldn't travel a few extra minutes
twozerooz
To the next polling station
Thatsnothowthisworks
While not specifically defending either argument, I would like to point out that it wouldn't be too hard to identify pockets of Bernie (1/2)
Thatsnothowthisworks
Supporters with the use of basic market and demographic analytics. First thought of mine is that average household income and age would 2/3
Thatsnothowthisworks
Be decent indicators for candidate support. (3/3)
everlights
Using the media to only cover one side is rigging. If a dictator of another country controlled the media to get only their message across...
twozerooz
Can you point to one story in the media of any of the things raised in the emails?
everlights
would you consider their elections free and fair?
CascadianTwilight
All of CNN's ridiculous trump coverage was clearly the DNC, right? Not just them sucking at their jobs? Fuck off moron
everlights
Wow, I'm a moron for having a differing opinion. Nice. Medias coverage comes down to money. Trumps antics got excessive coverage because...
everlights
they were controversial. Media covers/promotes bad behaviour.
everlights
and bad behavior gets more views/makes more money for the company.
PangolinBan
Look, the DNC is not in it to get the most popular Democratic candidate nominated. They want the candidate who's most likely to win the 1/3
MeowWoof
And as shady and as underhanded as the DNC system is, it would NEVER have let Trump happen on their watch.
PangolinBan
The RNC tried to do the same thing, let's not be naive about it. They failed, but that's largely due to starting out with a fuckton of 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 candidates and no immediate frontrunner. Which was their luck in the end, ironically, though they probably still aren't happy about it.
PangolinBan
2/3 presidency. As shady as it is to affect the race like that, it's hardly abnormal. The real kicker is that because the GOP had to go with
PangolinBan
3/3 Trump Sanders would have been a shoe-in for presidency. At the start of the race HRC was simply the stronger-looking candidate though.
OhNuggins
Even after Bernie's endorsement of her she struggles hard in the polls while Bernie performed better against Trump.
PangolinBan
Bernie likely beats Trump. Every other Rep candidate likely beats Bernie. Without the freak shit show that culminated in Trump getting 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 nominated, HRC was always the objectively better candidate from the outset. Hindsight's 20/20 but the DNC made the call they had to make
huffdogg
Except it has been clear for months that trump was their nominee
PangolinBan
Just because these e-mails are only a couple of months old doesn't mean the DNC's decision wasn't made long before. Two months ago they 1/2
Aranyszin
Fine. Then just annoint the candidate, and don't give the people in 40 states the impression that they are choosing the candidate.
PangolinBan
Either that, or overhaul the entire election procedure. The primaries are unfair, shady and not very democratic, but they are the most 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 pragmatic way of ensuring the best chances of winning the presidency. That's where this is all coming from.
Aranyszin
I disagree. They are the best way to ensure the "right" person wins. It's not about offering a choice. It's about consolidating power.
Aranyszin
In this case, they were actively trying to prevent Sanders' popularity from getting him the nom. If he was that popular, he would have ...
Aranyszin
... been more likely to with the presidency.